In low MMR brackets where the other crabs do their best to not let you get out my advice is Viper with bloodthorn ( basically mjoll + mage slayer stats for cheaper) treads pike helm of the overlord ( so if the noobs dont push you still can) linkens / bkb and mage slayer / skadi as last 2 options turns you into a one man team.
I hate that Lion is so strong now. I used to be able to pick him all the time but now he's almost always either banned or the other team also picks him.
Doom laning is ridiculously strong. Lvl 3 - 5 you can get a kill every time scorched earth is off cd. Great that you don’t need to farm intensely and can still keep up. Only downside is he lacks mana pool/regen so need a support to get arcane.
i played a game with a rubick on my team and a morph on the enemy team. morph kept ulting me, jakiro, and there was fire and ice EVERYWHERE! it was an epic 15 mins. rubic with jak's spells is broken.
I would also recomend Centaur Warrunner, great shivas usage, perfect to lane against the top carries and a very good overall teamfight kit, you just rush some sustain early and help with ult whenever you can, once you have veil + blink and some levels you can show up to any teamfight and force engage the enemy team with ult, if you manage to get an advantage, just 5 man and destroy anything, if some enemy is baddly positioned, ult engage their ass and keep the presure
Grained roughly 400mmr in the last few weeks with chen pushes really hard and counters lot's off burst damage supports. Seems insane this patch you can rush vlads and farm insanely quick.
A bit surprised to see Enigma here. I was kinda under the impression that ma bois laning has been significantly nerfed by the simple fact that you don't convert creeps any more. Also I don't know in what universe I get to be in aura-range of my Eidolons and not get obliterated from orbit x) Maybe I should give it another go, after a break first impression wasn't good but then again enemy last picked Legion carry and one-shot my eidolons and my support every time any were up...
You can outrange lc q with eidolons keep distance and dont let him bait you enigma is really strong vs melee heroes and low armor range heroes during laning phase i can assume from legion pos1 it was a low rank so study your eidolon micro better and the timing on your q and after laning phase timing on your blink and positioning your ult is very important since you dont need to place eidolons on creeps you can spawn them far press e q then ult then watch eidolons devour the enemy along with e damage enigma is an insanely strong offlaner but you need a few front liners with him he also goes crazy good with undying especially this patch
Timber's Q reduce all stats on universal heroes (by 4.33% each from testing in demo). Pupil's gift give +7 all stats to universal heroes (so it's straight up worse than Specialist's array for universal heroes)
I really hate people saying offlane doesn't have to initiate. Then who initiate, support? I say fk u noob core. U farm creeps, get high networth yet u expect lowest networth to do everything. Ward, detection, initiate, gank, tank, disable, even carry the game with least networth. U trash core, stop play core, go play support, then u will understand how suffer game is when your core never initiate. I play every role so I understand every role POV. Offlane has to initiate or tank/bait or both. At least stay frontline for better vision. That's best for the team.
its seems like mage slayer and shivas are the meta defining things, not the heroes himself. I think a way to nerf mage slayer without killing it completely would be to only apply the debuff to one target, what make it really the item so strong is to been able to apply the debuff to the totality of the enemy team at the same time, reducing all of their incoming damage
Was suggesting this to my friends. Just make it not apply to ALL things. No reason Ember Spirit should just be able to reduce spell damage by 40% on an entire team.
I guess the best way to make MS balanced is just by balancing the numbers that's it. It's just ridiculous to see such stats given to item for 2700, you are literally invulnerable to magic damage lol
As a Tidehunter and Hoodwink enthusiast (even before 7.35) I strongly disagree. U kill Anchor Smash and Acorn Shot... Just increase the price tag to match its counterpart: Desolator (also great on Hoodwink and Tidehunter for the same reason). Or maybe same price tag but a cooldown similar to Witch Blade, but not impacting spells like Acorn or Anchor. I would agree on that.
Most people in low mmr throw their advantage very easily, so just interact the least amount possible with Viper in the early game, especially after lvl 3. Even if he gets a small advantage, you will still be at a position to stop his roaming, and he can't really take the tower early.
As the other person said, just minimize interaction. Defensive aggro the first few levels, and nuke the waves. Every second you're there is more time you're losing health (resources). Nuke the wave, then go run to another lane and try to secure a kill. If you can't, hit a neutral camp instead. Just be doing something other than standing next to the viper as much as possible. Depending on the specific matchups, he's very weak levels 1-2, so do as much damage as you can then (if you're able to). Also a support rotation can often net a kill on him before 5-6, since he has no escape.
@@pedrohenrique-db3xd😮 True. Ive been dominating games as Viper even at pos4. Booted out many carries, but if they just jungle and focus on getting their items, theyll be okay and turn tides
get mobile heroes and go win other lanes with rotations since he is slow as well as some hero that can clear waves fast or go neuts to avoid interacting with viper as much as possible
hey bsj, just wanted to say that I have a really low winrate from tiny so I have been avoiding picking him. I just played two games with him and it feels really strong. thanks
Lion's mana drain also gives move speed bonus to allies. So once you get the shard, you can use it on a teammate to boost his speed while still draining 2 foes.
I think ursa's item buildups are fine but the meta carry heroes naturally can just counter him (slark with his ult and passive, faceless can delete him in crono, and troll can out manfight him) if those heroes are banned I think ursa can be good especially since he doesnt mind making diffusal/disperser which is pretty strong this patch
@@shinmanalo3800 bro I keep changing my item making (if enemy have a lot have stun and disable I go for aga ,linken and bkb . If I'm paper I go for skadi,abisal,satanic always buy basher when you think your item is complete . If I need damage I go for mkb or nuli . Sometimes I do battfury but most of time I do myornir . Dispenser is ridiculous with this hero 40 agility is ridiculous I think it's gonna get nerf. Build Silver,satanic when you see axe . Buy linken if you see razor
This one time I was against am . I beat him so hard he had to buy wind waker to get out from my net so buy nuli . This hero is good cuz you can buy anything on him to counter any hero plus 4 second disple is ridiculous if you buy aga .lEvel 25 you can ulti inside crono and shit def favourite hero
We are at this point in the game where everything feels viable to play. I just hope yanking metas stops now. Last i remember was Zoo meta. I hated that crap. But i really miss the Visage+solar crest cheapness😂
Need lion mana drain nerf. Either he sucks one target and keeps spell immunity. Or suck multiple targets and remove spell immunity. Idk how he can have both considering the range.
CM shard is very underrated imo, allows you to (1) farm consistently, (2) double root people, (3) you can shard then ult for aoe root, (4) octarine+shard allows you to triple root, (5) oct+shard+talent 25 allows you to perma root. The problem is you need a good lane phase, otherwise you are just a walking sack of gold
Doom kills every single carry after 6, u cant lane vs him at that point. He also rushes shivas and does a ton of dmg while being super tanky. He has high base stats and his skill do good dmg at low lvl. Hero is permabanned in proplay and picked every game in higher mmr
So you made tier list from pro lvl and try to sell it to avg dota player? When will you understand that what is good on 9k its probably not on 1-5k (where are 90% of players). I played this patch over 300 games mb more and i seen ember mid twice, dk once and meepo played only by boosters. So whos meta is this? Youre friends ho make 1% of players? Same for magslayer, i see this item every 2 or 3 games bought usually on random heros like prophet and hood. Offlane same, 300 games played and iv seen this 3 heros total 5 mb 10 times.
Idk about 1-5k, maybe closer to 1k people don’t care about these shits, but closer to 5k people like to copy meta builds/pro builds even if they don’t understand the reasons behind.
@@hkl2007 There are tones of factors, not only picks and items, if dota would be that ez that you only have yto pick meta hero and build meta items we would have only immortal players...
@@thiag0d Exactly and thats prove the point im maing, this guids are made for 1-2% players and with idea its the onyl correct way to play the game. Go check this 1k snipers with khanda and 4 rapiers winning games 30/0 or picking void with melstromand doing 0/15 in 30min game
I see void, I see Slark. I pick Slardar and been winning for 30 games in a row because nobody knows how to play pos 5 in solo queue anyways. I fuck the carry in lane, then I fuck the support 5 in fights because the carry hates him for ruining the lane. EZ GAME
@@Teinve Low MMR have no meta bro. It’s always PA and Sniper since forever. Just look at the pick rate on Dotabuff. These 2 will always get high pick rate in low MMR brackets. I don’t understand why low rankers love these 2 so much, lol. One is completely out of meta and the other is extremely easy to kill.
@@someguyonyt2831 because they're stupid, some are just fucking 40yo who cant even move his hand properly had 8k games with sub 50% win rate or some noobs that have no idea how to play the game. I just got out of 2k not long ago and now on my way to 4k and tbh seeing these dumbass last picking sniper and PA then getting railed nonstop is just painful.
“He sucks you and then fingers you” made me spit the water I was drinking 😂
im here 4 this comment lol
Venge is quite good vs doom as her shield applied when swapping a team mate negates a few ticks from Doom. Really feels like it makes a difference
really crushing jenkins tier list by making one video for all roles. Edit: Boys I said this cus theyre friends
yeah also much better grasp of the meta, jenkins had some really weird stuff on his lists lately
@mic3820 cause he is nothing but a clown. His videos are not for education, there are for entertainment
Jenkins content only for views
Shitting on dota 2 content creators is really counter productive and cringe
yet defending them is better, gtfo@@MRazorK10
Here is the list
Carry pos 1: Void, Slark, Troll Warlord.
Mid pos 2: Ember, Meepo, Dragon Knight.
Offlane pos 3: Doom, Winter Wyvern, Enigma.
Support pos 4: Lion, Hoodwink, Tiny.
Hard Support pos 5: Vengeful Spirit, Bane, Nature's Prophet, Lion (again).
In low MMR brackets where the other crabs do their best to not let you get out my advice is Viper with bloodthorn ( basically mjoll + mage slayer stats for cheaper) treads pike helm of the overlord ( so if the noobs dont push you still can) linkens / bkb and mage slayer / skadi as last 2 options turns you into a one man team.
I hate that Lion is so strong now. I used to be able to pick him all the time but now he's almost always either banned or the other team also picks him.
The new pudge
Doom laning is ridiculously strong. Lvl 3 - 5 you can get a kill every time scorched earth is off cd. Great that you don’t need to farm intensely and can still keep up. Only downside is he lacks mana pool/regen so need a support to get arcane.
Or possibly a Lion to suck you, conveniently a very popular 4 right now...
My man been working out, keep it up brother looks amazing!!
dota hottie!
i played a game with a rubick on my team and a morph on the enemy team. morph kept ulting me, jakiro, and there was fire and ice EVERYWHERE! it was an epic 15 mins. rubic with jak's spells is broken.
Jakiro is the best support no cap, so effective in many ways
I would also recomend Centaur Warrunner, great shivas usage, perfect to lane against the top carries and a very good overall teamfight kit, you just rush some sustain early and help with ult whenever you can, once you have veil + blink and some levels you can show up to any teamfight and force engage the enemy team with ult, if you manage to get an advantage, just 5 man and destroy anything, if some enemy is baddly positioned, ult engage their ass and keep the presure
Grained roughly 400mmr in the last few weeks with chen pushes really hard and counters lot's off burst damage supports. Seems insane this patch you can rush vlads and farm insanely quick.
Great video, enjoyed it a lot.
good content as always bsj, nice work
as A Huskar, OD, Lina Mid main.
I'm happy with this patch
Welcome to Finland
3 cancer heroes, never wanna meet you.
how do you make huskar interesting? I play OD and Lina mid too
BSJ we need more content sir!
thanks to you BSJ I've been having quite a lot of voids in my team thinking they're gonna wreck cuz they're named in the top 3 then screw badly...
In mid i think u miss Arc Warden absolutely strong and hard to play against.
A bit surprised to see Enigma here. I was kinda under the impression that ma bois laning has been significantly nerfed by the simple fact that you don't convert creeps any more.
Also I don't know in what universe I get to be in aura-range of my Eidolons and not get obliterated from orbit x)
Maybe I should give it another go, after a break first impression wasn't good but then again enemy last picked Legion carry and one-shot my eidolons and my support every time any were up...
LC matchup is fucked up mate, give it another go
You can outrange lc q with eidolons keep distance and dont let him bait you enigma is really strong vs melee heroes and low armor range heroes during laning phase i can assume from legion pos1 it was a low rank so study your eidolon micro better and the timing on your q and after laning phase timing on your blink and positioning your ult is very important since you dont need to place eidolons on creeps you can spawn them far press e q then ult then watch eidolons devour the enemy along with e damage enigma is an insanely strong offlaner but you need a few front liners with him he also goes crazy good with undying especially this patch
TROLL!!! FUCKING YES! I've literally been telling BSJ for weeks now that Troll is a good hero. He's been good since his shard proc on melee attacks.
Can someone make an edit of this video... "You can whip it out... he sucks you then fingers you" has to be a meme here somewhere
What do you think about Riki this patch? I've seen his winrate be fairly high in all of the brackets even above slark and troll.
at lower mmr sand king is beyond broken, when you get your aghs its over
The Lion part was wild. HAHAHAH
Bane is op because of enfeeble. Thats it. Use it and you will never ever lose a lane
Bane mid is the most unskilled bastard shit possible
I'd love a guide like this for 2k mmr bracket because we all know having an Enigma Pos 3 in the 2k mmr doesn't end well
Yeah, got a team mate instantly tilted since "no tank pos 3",. gef , won after min 60 tho.
2ks dont know shit about shit
new BSJ to start my day!
nice
I was on a 5 winstreak with venge. Just buy pavise into a solar crest then boom you do so much for your team
How does the stat reduction of Timber's Q work on all attributes heroes? Also how does pupil's gift work for all attributes?
Timber's Q reduce all stats on universal heroes (by 4.33% each from testing in demo). Pupil's gift give +7 all stats to universal heroes (so it's straight up worse than Specialist's array for universal heroes)
The Lion punt was spot on!
Top 3 picks are khanda and 5 rapiers regardless of role
U understand a hero with no bkb or survivability buying rapiers will instantly lose the game to 1 smokegank
its a joke m8@@hkl2007
i just don't know why wyvern offlaner, i don't see her as an initiator
It's her ult and the ability to apply mage slayers with her Q range
then pick an initiator in some other role
Offlane is not only an initiator.
Offlaners doent need to be initiator
I really hate people saying offlane doesn't have to initiate. Then who initiate, support? I say fk u noob core. U farm creeps, get high networth yet u expect lowest networth to do everything. Ward, detection, initiate, gank, tank, disable, even carry the game with least networth. U trash core, stop play core, go play support, then u will understand how suffer game is when your core never initiate. I play every role so I understand every role POV.
Offlane has to initiate or tank/bait or both. At least stay frontline for better vision. That's best for the team.
Damn BSJ, delts looking good
Just blow him dude
Nooooo, you spilled the beans on bane . I been crushing with him lately
Doom can be countered by some shields and mage slayer. If you hit doom by mage slayer after he used doom it would tick 18 dmg instead of 30
its seems like mage slayer and shivas are the meta defining things, not the heroes himself. I think a way to nerf mage slayer without killing it completely would be to only apply the debuff to one target, what make it really the item so strong is to been able to apply the debuff to the totality of the enemy team at the same time, reducing all of their incoming damage
Was suggesting this to my friends. Just make it not apply to ALL things. No reason Ember Spirit should just be able to reduce spell damage by 40% on an entire team.
@@Havesomepizza its feels like fighting ember with half level heroes
I guess the best way to make MS balanced is just by balancing the numbers that's it. It's just ridiculous to see such stats given to item for 2700, you are literally invulnerable to magic damage lol
It should be like 3.5k but the same stats
As a Tidehunter and Hoodwink enthusiast (even before 7.35) I strongly disagree. U kill Anchor Smash and Acorn Shot... Just increase the price tag to match its counterpart: Desolator (also great on Hoodwink and Tidehunter for the same reason). Or maybe same price tag but a cooldown similar to Witch Blade, but not impacting spells like Acorn or Anchor. I would agree on that.
wheres tree?
Very surprised Aba didn't make offlane over doom
thanks for the viper update BSJ - you were right on.
So in my crusader bracket, viper is the mid king. Any idea how to counter him?
Most people in low mmr throw their advantage very easily, so just interact the least amount possible with Viper in the early game, especially after lvl 3. Even if he gets a small advantage, you will still be at a position to stop his roaming, and he can't really take the tower early.
As the other person said, just minimize interaction. Defensive aggro the first few levels, and nuke the waves. Every second you're there is more time you're losing health (resources). Nuke the wave, then go run to another lane and try to secure a kill. If you can't, hit a neutral camp instead. Just be doing something other than standing next to the viper as much as possible. Depending on the specific matchups, he's very weak levels 1-2, so do as much damage as you can then (if you're able to). Also a support rotation can often net a kill on him before 5-6, since he has no escape.
@@pedrohenrique-db3xd😮
True. Ive been dominating games as Viper even at pos4.
Booted out many carries, but if they just jungle and focus on getting their items, theyll be okay and turn tides
My simplest solution is pick range hero against viper.
get mobile heroes and go win other lanes with rotations since he is slow as well as some hero that can clear waves fast or go neuts to avoid interacting with viper as much as possible
8:00 lmao
hey bsj, just wanted to say that I have a really low winrate from tiny so I have been avoiding picking him. I just played two games with him and it feels really strong. thanks
Lion's mana drain also gives move speed bonus to allies. So once you get the shard, you can use it on a teammate to boost his speed while still draining 2 foes.
bro i love BSJ humor nerd power
2:41 lel?
brother?
BUFFSJ with the goods!!
glad BSJ back
Dk so op with manta mage slayer
I'm a Bane specialist, ama
Do you buy force staff?
@@jcl2435 No, usually it is not a necessary item for my usual build.
Then what's the usual build?
@@MultiRRR123 It depends on the position; my favorite way to play him is offlane currently which you rush boots and meteor hammer.
what about my boi ursaa what do you think? he doesnt care about armor either but maybe his item buildup isnt the best?
I think ursa's item buildups are fine but the meta carry heroes naturally can just counter him (slark with his ult and passive, faceless can delete him in crono, and troll can out manfight him) if those heroes are banned I think ursa can be good especially since he doesnt mind making diffusal/disperser which is pretty strong this patch
Meta is too mobile in general, but the biggest problem is mageslayer reduces fury swipes damage making ursa pretty bad right now.
@@XxDotApRoxX69 Mageslayer doesn't reduce fury swipes, BSJ was wrong
@@Matt-bg8xw just tested and can confirm mageslayer DOES NOT reduce fury swipes.
Finally troll warlord . I spam him for past 7 month lol . I barely lose as him too
Can you share your items in order. Thanksss
@@shinmanalo3800 bro I keep changing my item making (if enemy have a lot have stun and disable I go for aga ,linken and bkb . If I'm paper I go for skadi,abisal,satanic always buy basher when you think your item is complete . If I need damage I go for mkb or nuli . Sometimes I do battfury but most of time I do myornir . Dispenser is ridiculous with this hero 40 agility is ridiculous I think it's gonna get nerf. Build Silver,satanic when you see axe . Buy linken if you see razor
This one time I was against am . I beat him so hard he had to buy wind waker to get out from my net so buy nuli . This hero is good cuz you can buy anything on him to counter any hero plus 4 second disple is ridiculous if you buy aga .lEvel 25 you can ulti inside crono and shit def favourite hero
@@Shah-jo1pr mann thanks for the tip. I will definitely try the heroo thankss man
Bro BSJ when is ring master update? 😢im waiting for him 😅
love you BSJ,
We are at this point in the game where everything feels viable to play.
I just hope yanking metas stops now.
Last i remember was Zoo meta.
I hated that crap.
But i really miss the Visage+solar crest cheapness😂
Hey Brian we miss your videos when you’re away - could you do like … mobile videos ?
Bro has ads every 3 mins wtf
Yeah troll has sustain problems
I LOVE YOU BANANASLAMMAJAMMA
hey man i skip to the end for Carry info.... how dare you flip this on me!!!!
Welcomebackeverybody
I see my boy doom
I like the video
I go for a game
I walk
Magnus too
Slark metas suck for supports, more than pretty much any other meta.
Been spamming pugna as sup, feels nice
Seeing what heroes are meta right now... I'm glad I'm not playing xd
Wow not top 5? You are such a tease
Need lion mana drain nerf. Either he sucks one target and keeps spell immunity. Or suck multiple targets and remove spell immunity. Idk how he can have both considering the range.
☝️🤓 its cornucopia not perseverance
Patch needs to come out gameplay is too repetitive rn same heroes same items. Void meta sucks
Jenkins tier list: mid heroes DK-shit tier. Merely 2weeks ago. Wish youtbe stop recommending me his vids
for the algo
Why are ppl calling CM bad? I've been spamming her and stomping (sub 3k, maybe im higher mmrs she sucks lol)
cm is kinda good rn. just not top tier
CM shard is very underrated imo, allows you to (1) farm consistently, (2) double root people, (3) you can shard then ult for aoe root, (4) octarine+shard allows you to triple root, (5) oct+shard+talent 25 allows you to perma root. The problem is you need a good lane phase, otherwise you are just a walking sack of gold
Lol Doom offlane best choice, sure bro.
What are better offlane picks in your opinion?
I'm in lower mmr however down here 3-5 doom just scorch Eartha nd just kills the carry and support it's crazy
Doom kills every single carry after 6, u cant lane vs him at that point. He also rushes shivas and does a ton of dmg while being super tanky. He has high base stats and his skill do good dmg at low lvl. Hero is permabanned in proplay and picked every game in higher mmr
So you made tier list from pro lvl and try to sell it to avg dota player? When will you understand that what is good on 9k its probably not on 1-5k (where are 90% of players). I played this patch over 300 games mb more and i seen ember mid twice, dk once and meepo played only by boosters. So whos meta is this? Youre friends ho make 1% of players?
Same for magslayer, i see this item every 2 or 3 games bought usually on random heros like prophet and hood. Offlane same, 300 games played and iv seen this 3 heros total 5 mb 10 times.
Lol
Idk about 1-5k, maybe closer to 1k people don’t care about these shits, but closer to 5k people like to copy meta builds/pro builds even if they don’t understand the reasons behind.
Maybe that's why they're low mmr, they don't play good heroes and build the good items?
@@hkl2007 There are tones of factors, not only picks and items, if dota would be that ez that you only have yto pick meta hero and build meta items we would have only immortal players...
@@thiag0d Exactly and thats prove the point im maing, this guids are made for 1-2% players and with idea its the onyl correct way to play the game. Go check this 1k snipers with khanda and 4 rapiers winning games 30/0 or picking void with melstromand doing 0/15 in 30min game
DEEEKAY
DickHay
First💪🏻 hi by italy
Ww offlaner😂😂 report.
first like
First!
I see void, I see Slark.
I pick Slardar and been winning for 30 games in a row because nobody knows how to play pos 5 in solo queue anyways.
I fuck the carry in lane,
then I fuck the support 5 in fights because the carry hates him for ruining the lane.
EZ GAME
In mid i think u miss Arc Warden absolutely strong and hard to play against.
Bro he's meta at low mmr but at high mmr you can run over him
And arc is vulnerable to be jumped and killed over and over
@@Teinve Low MMR have no meta bro. It’s always PA and Sniper since forever. Just look at the pick rate on Dotabuff. These 2 will always get high pick rate in low MMR brackets. I don’t understand why low rankers love these 2 so much, lol. One is completely out of meta and the other is extremely easy to kill.
@@someguyonyt2831 because they're stupid, some are just fucking 40yo who cant even move his hand properly had 8k games with sub 50% win rate or some noobs that have no idea how to play the game. I just got out of 2k not long ago and now on my way to 4k and tbh seeing these dumbass last picking sniper and PA then getting railed nonstop is just painful.
@@someguyonyt2831sniper is extremely ez to kill bt no one jumps him in low mmr they just initiate on the first hero they see.