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Ah yes, good ol' Yammie straight up ignoring that there are markets outside the US where anything over 250cc suffers massive tax penalties, or where things like A1 and A2 licenses exist. Or that 20hp and 70+ MPG are actually desirable in a commuter bike that has to do nothing but get you from one side of town to the other during rush hour. The GSXR250R however, yes that thing isn't worth it at all. The CBR-250RR-R and ZX-250R however are freaking amazing, but those are not beginner bikes with their tiny 4 cyl screamers.
@fermitupoupon1754 Buying RE with 20 hp at 191 kg as a commuter city bike is nonsensical, when you can get a solid scooter, like Honda PCX: way nimbler, way cheaper, way more fuel-efficient, waaay lighter, with automatic gearbox and better brakes, and for which in EU you don't even need A1, if you have B. This RE is for no-one and serves no purpose. The only advantage I can imagine is a slightly better performance on holey roads, but then there are better and cheaper alternatives for that, too.
I agree with Yammie Boob. 20 HP is very less for beginner who has no exp in motorcycle riding. It needs to have at least 200 HP, 25 gears and a Super Computer for tech and aid.
1:51 - INDIAN MARKET BIKE 😐. Jeez Yam stop rubbing salt in our wounds. Honda doesn't really assemble anything fun here in India. I've lived in India for 25 years & never seen that xr150.
@@rallynfernandes8970 The Honda XR150L has not yet been officially launched in India. Expected Launch: January 2025 Price (Expected): ₹ 4,30,000 (ex-showroom
RE's are slow and vibey. I have a scram 411 and it does not excite me at all these days. I do like the new 450 offerings tho. But the air cooled engines are not great.
I made a 3000km trip with my classic all the way to cancun last summer. It was so damn fun, no need to mach 2 speeds. Ride it from highways and alternate roads. The bike got a lot of compliments all the way
i personally see royal enfields as what i think they always are, they make bulletproof, efficient, and beautiful retro (or neo-) standards, i wish we got more of them where i live, its a rich kid's retro standard, an opposite of what the brand is in india...
They are beautiful. They are the bikes that got interested in bikes as a young samosa visiting India. I'm an older browner samosa man now so I still they're beautiful but still slow. But I must ask, why else are they great per your opinion?
Like you said, the RE 350s are really neat in other countries. Definitely not fit for high speed cruising if you live in the US, the thumper just does not output enough power (plus at least here they're electronically limited to 120kph/75mph) but in the places where RE cares about making sales - such as India, Argentina, Brazil, Colombia, Bangladesh, Thailand or Nepal - the price is impossible to beat due to the CKD plants, the performance is (borderline) enough for the roads, and both maintenance and insurance are cheap as hell. For comparison, in Argentina, where an average salary is about 400-500 US dollars a month, a Classic 350 is around $5,400 US dollars, while something like a Duke 390 is $11,000, a Honda CB300 Twister is just shy of $8,000 or a Yamaha R3 is nearly $12,000.
As an aside, the XR250 ($8,000) and the new 300 are *all the rage* here despite being expensive, to the point they are also by far the most stolen motorcycle in the country. Most insurance companies will refuse to cover XRs against theft or destruction because how common it is for them to get stolen or ridden by maniacs.
I can assure you 20 hp are more than enough for Highway cruising. It works on the german Autobahn without Speedlimits so american Highways shoudlnt be a Problem.
@@eviljan8158 Yes but the Autobahn has lots of lanes so the slow moving vehicles aren't in the way. In lots of other places roads are two lanes .... meaning you are going to be in the way of the faster traffic. Plus, I live in America in Oklahoma. We often have a headwind of 40 mph with gusts of 80 and the traffic is going 80 mph. So if you get on your little 20 hp bike trying to go 80 to keep up with traffic against a 40 mph wind and you start going uphill you will find out really quick that 20 hp isn't enough. But I'm happy that in Germany 20 hp is enough.
Foreign countries have different ideas about big bikes.. a 400cc is HUGE in the Philippines.. I asked my tour guide in Boracay to get the biggest motorcycle he could find for us to rent.. it was a 150cc Yamaha 😂. It’s okay because we were able to cruise the island nicely. And any motorcycle is better than no motorcycle
He just doesnt know the half of what hes talking about, atleast when it comes to beginner bikes. 20 hp is more than enough even for the Autobahn in Germany.
Yeah, my 350 is great doing what it was designed for but, it can cruise at the speed limit here in Aus. with a bit in reserve. Certainly not designed for USA highway speeds but elsewhere in the world it is great.
I would never change my Classic 350 for a Triumph. The point is NOT have the most modern shit the market has to offer. But this guy knows this, his goal is to farm comments like this one. That's how one survives in RUclips.
Yammie last month: There's an affordability crises in motorcycling, no one's going to be able to afford the sport if manufacturers don't lower prices Yammie today: All these small affordable low CC beginner friendly bikes are garbage and people should just be willing to fork over 6 to 8 grand on a whim for bikes I deem acceptable, why can't everyone just ride sportsters and ducatis like we do out in L.A.?
argument: the RE meteor 350 isnt for beginner riders, its for older riders looking to get back into riding and dont need anything fast or expensive. its a great bike to ride and is very good for long gentle rides.
I would love to see a special just to talk about how the bike community is different in other parts of the world. For example, here in chile a 400cc it is not a beginner ride, a 125 up to 200/250 it is considered a beginner ride,
Yup. Same here in India. Here the 350 RE's are a midsize bike. Not entry level. Literally everyone starts on 100-125cc scooters/bikes. Most people use them as commuters & the only consideration is comfort & fuel efficiency. Bajaj literally sells a bike with a CNG tank that is rated for 100km/kg of fuel.
Interesting. Here in Latvia a 600cc bike is considered a beginner bike. A 750-800cc is a middle-weight and anything above or including 1000cc - a "proper" bike. There's very little demand for anything below 500-600cc. But that's mainly because you're riding a 600cc bike on the exam and you're already used to this kind of power. So when you get your driving license, you don't really see the point to settle for anything smaller than 600cc.
@@Mrbuchnev1very interesting that you do your exams on 600s, wonder if it ends up being safer long term getting used to that power/clutch feel on a more powerful bike under instruction. Much love for Latvia, was there for the first time earlier this yeat
Don't try to fight F9. I know they're a corporation, but you'll lose. Ryan has fuck-you-charisma. And he doesn't sham his site all the time. Hell, his ads are actually entertaining.
You seem to still think we’re back in the 2010s when bikes were purely recreational! With inflation, stagnant wages, and the average new car costing over 40 grand people are going to have to start buying bikes to replace their second car. To save money using a bike requires some brutal compromises. The bike has to get great mileage (my car gets 42 mpg, a commuter bike should get 70-80), be cheap to insure, be easy to maintain (meaning do-it-yourself because dealers are $$$$) and thus simple (anyone can handle air cooled, one cylinder, two valve chain drive bike) with a very low cost of entry. In a harsh economy a recreational bike is a luxury most won’t be able to afford. Unless current trends change, of course.
The problem with Yammie is that HE thinks that HE speaks for everyone when HE really speaks for no one but HIMself. HIS opinion is that every purchase must be made on how much HP the bikes makes versus any other consideration. Pathetic, really.
I had a pleasure meeting some of the greatest moto journalists in my country. While meeting them, we had a deep conversation about youtubers and their reviews regarding the bikes. And yam fit directly into the category of reviewers that just yap and don't know what the bikes actually feel like. Your take on royal Enfield is a good example. Please don't degrade yourself by talking nonsense.
im an indian, and own a hunter 350. for the avg indian guy like me, it makes a little sense, but if you are in the EU or USA just skip the 350cc's atleast. the lack of power will trouble you more than the "too much" power from other bikes. too much power, u will work your way around it. too little power and u really cant do much. go for the 450s or 650s
The thing with Royal Enfield 350s is that it is enough power for road conditions like India has. You don't benefit from having fast and powerful bikes in these roads. And the classic has a huge appeal, so it works, proud owner of a Hunter 350 myself.
Hey I bought RE Hunter 350 and it's actually fun to ride. I can probably get it up 70mph 75 if I'm going downhill with a good tail wind. Will I probably buy something bigger, yeah. For right now it does what I need it to do and I've even gotten positive comments on it's looks.
The 401 Himalayan was only meant to stay in the domestic market, wouldn’t call that a fail. In Latin America, the Honda XR 150L is a very desirable bike, it’s almost $3200 here, I agree, too expensive for 0 updates in almost 3 decades just cause it says Honda. Down here small displacement bikes are the norm, a tool and a common means of transportation, unlike in the US which is 9/10 a toy. For 3 grand, brand new, a 2024 Hero Xpulse comes w all the bells and whistles. (Hero made bikes for Honda for 40 years, people.)
The only thing that’s more of waste of time than watching a type of video you think is a waist of time, is commenting on a video that you say is a waist of time, and post that it’s a waist of time.
@@1993Brunu Yeah but this is a fully subjective list, it doesn't actually list bad bikes just a bunch of 300s and below this guy loves to rag on in almost every video
I bought a xr150l new in 2023 and I personally love it. Great mpg and a super light weight, easy to ride first bike. Put 5,400 miles on it in the first six months and never thought i had made a bad decision on my first bike. Would buy again.
as a CFMOTO 450ss owner, I feel as if my bike is the perfect sweet spot for a street/sport beginner bike , if I would've bought a 300ss/300nk I'd been so upset. when I got the bike a month ago the ninja/ z500 just wasn't offering enough for the price tag. I highly encourage anyone looking for a sport beginner bike to go after the CFM450ss you wont be let down!
Test rode one in a Demo Day setup. It was quick to go and stop. Just that I'm too old to put up with that much weight on my hands/wrists for long. I was gripping the tank with my legs as often as I could remember to do so, and that helped keep it off my hands. I just prefer a more upright stance like a naked bike. But if you want a beginner sport bike, the CFMOTO 450SS is quite good, at least in my test ride. No clue on the long-term reliability.
@ versys x300- unfortunately although the seat is fairly high it halso has heaps of clearance so my legs are very cramped (triangle isn’t good even with the pegs). But despite that my knees can’t fit below the fairing (and since it has a sharp angle it’s uncomfortable). Then again it’s in my opinion the best starter adventure bike, but unfortunately I am an exception to that because I’m 6”7 with long legs
@@ASutt23 oh wow you're tall!!!! Yeah the 450ss won't work for you aha. But at least they have peppy adv bikes that should work for you! I just looked into it they make a 650 versys as well
I bought the meteor 350 2 years ago I sill use it everyday for my 1 hour commuting to work. I love it, it is my first bike. Maybe I will change it but I a couple of years for the Super Meteor 650. Royal Enfield does know how to make good cheap bikes that are fun and really enjoyable to drive.
Problem with offshore manufacturers like BMW is once delivered, to back in EU or USA customers market, they get paid in India.. So there is no way BMW Germany can get control of the quality of the manufacturing process.
GSX250R - if you can get one cheap enough, because dealers are tired of looking at it collect dust, get one. Just leave the flip flops and shorts at home so they don't charge you a gixxer tax. Honestly I've never ridden one, but my love for Suzuki has be re-established after leaving the green company for an 8R. I'd honestly say though for American roads, if you aren't on something at least close to 400cc or higher, you're gonna have a bad time.
I do own an XR 150 and it is to be used properly, this is a farm bike with a large tank and decent comfort. It can go into some limited offroad and tops roughly at 100 KPH. This is a perfect bike to learn driving if you use it for what it is designed ie not high speed and not single trail. Big advantage over trail bikes is better saddle and high autonomy but still very light weight. Furthermore, repairs are cheap which is a plus for a new rider which will fall more than once. Now, it is clear it is an entry level bike with primitive instruments and equipment but it is a very good bike if you live in the countryside or in a city but don't travel on fast highways. I wouldn't dismiss it for a first bike as long as you use it as per the way it was designed. For the Versys 300, i absolutely enjoyed it, it had decent power (40 HP), confidence inspiring drive and able to go on light trails too. Power is good enough to go on any highway without problems, weight is manageable and engine is bullet proof. True it doesn't have sophisticated tools like TC but this is not needed for that power. You don't need to be an IT engineer to drive it which makes it in my view a very good first bike, Now, i have KTM 790 ADV but I still miss the Versys which was easy to drive anywhere thanks to the weight. XR may be questionable as first bike unless proper environment but I wouldn't dismiss Versys at all whatever the place.
I appreciate your videos like this. I am one of those middle aged guys that just got my license and am looking for a good beginner bike. I have done way too much research on what bike I should get as my first one. I am looking for something to be able to ride back and forth to work on. My commute is 7 miles in northwest CT so great backroads, but also looking for something I can cruise on for hours on end. My top three I am looking at are the Royal Enfield shotgun 650, Honda Shadow Phantom 750, and Honda Rebel 1100. Midlife crisis buy yes... looking to break the sound barrier no, just want a good all around bike I wont get tired of that can be comfortable if I decide to hop on the highway and travel a few hundred miles. Its good to know what NOT to look into. Thanks :)
You better be fairly short legged to ride a Shadow Phantom. I test rode the Rebel 1100 and it is a screamer - which I loved. Afraid I cannot recommend it for a noob as carrying too much speed into a corner is a cinch on the Rebel that shares the Honda Africa Twin engine. That's what gets most new riders killed - too fast and deep into a curve, then instinctively clamping the front brake lever and losing control of the bike. FYI, started riding at age 55 and am only three years in, riding my third and fourth bikes these days - KLR 650 and Harley Dyna Street Bob. I threw a leg over a Shotgun 650 and it felt and looked great. Good luck with the Royal Enfield reliability. Ridershare platform for P2P renting motorcycles reports having the most reliability problems (renters complaining of problems that can interrupt a rental period) with Royal Enfields. FWIW. YMMV
He don't know what he's talking about, try it for yourself, Yammie is just a kid with fixation on numbers, he is just one of those guys who "needs the adrenaline" or whatever. Me, I'm riding to relax, within the limits of the laws, small CC bikes are great for backroads and your daily necessities.
With regards to Royal Enfield 350 models...you're saying beginners shouldn't go for any bike that is capable of no more than what is legally allowed on modern roads and motorways/highways...what?! 😂 The 350s are all governed to top out at 72mph, which is 2mph more than what you're legally allowed go on US highways...seeing as you can't go beyond that, what would be the point in getting anything more powerful?
OK. It may go 72mph however it will take 22 minutes for you to reach that top speed. Best plan ahead if you need some speed to get away from that Crazy Semi Truck Driver.
@@exexpat11I have a Meteor 350 and it's really not like that, it has a pretty decent response within it's limitations, it's not just about HP, there are other numbers involved.
@@rodrigoguerreiro187My W650 had like 36hp. It took some time to get up to speed. I imagine the Enfield would be about the same. Enjoyable bikes but... It is what it is.
It sounds like the "experts" are finally realizing that the best street All around beginner bike, IN THE US, is the 450 class (400-500cc). I'm celebrating my 50th year of riding street motorcycles in 2025. I may in fact be near the end of that journey as I have had several medical problems this past year including passing away from a heart attack only to be brought back, a couple of limiting medical issues, and now looking forward to back surgery. In the mid to late '70s I experimented from a CB100 to a GS1000, and the 450cc was the winner. For decades I have listened as the experts recommended the 250 class (200-300cc) which can rarely reach a GPS 60 mph on any kind of incline. And is seriously lacking in a big part of what we were looking for: handlebars that give you a good tug when accelerating, being able to get away at a stoplight from most cars, and and bringing a girlfriend along (back when they weighed in at 115-135) and still have enough power. 125s are great and Indonesia, and 150 to 250 in India, and a 350 is a lovely ride in Scotland, but I'm glad to see the experts starting to say that 150 to 350 is lacking in the US!
How dare you impugn the Versys 300. I've owned a LOT of bikes in my time, from big displacement fours to big V twins and 125 scooters. The X is one of my favorites. No torque? No problem. It revs to the moon. You compare it to a KTM (bankrupt and unreliable) and a CRF300 Rally (even less than no balls, terrible on-road, not even the same kind of mission) and a new Kaw that you can't buy yet. Whya? The Versys has am excellent fine handling and ride balance, is very lightweight, and very reliable, and offers ABS- an absolute requirement. I can throw it on a hitch carrier on the Jeep in about a minute. With a Corbin seat, tall windshield and a few teeth off the rear sprocket the thing eats miles, loves curves, and is comfortable for hours. I don't think you can find more used motorcycle for the buck. Kawasaki should put the old Ninja 400 motor on it - I'd buy a new one in a minute. Have you ever actually ridden one, or just spouting off here?
@@Originalsinn_AO Defensive? Hmmm. How about just auditing the info provided by our learned host? With correction, maybe a few people won't be discouraged from choosing a really good motorcycle that was lazily disparaged & end up with something quite worse as a result. My personal dignity is not compromised -on this subject matter anyway ...
Indian market bike? Expect carburettor bikes are non-existent after Euro 6, like find me one carburettor bike after Euro 6 which is still being made in India...
I wait and wait for the notification for a Ryan F9 video and I watch your video only when someone tells me you did something terrible or stupid. Yeah !! Thats the difference between him and you Yammie.
I agree that an RE 350 makes less power and has enormous weight but considering the Indian market, RE Classic 350 is considered a luxury motorcycle. Indian market is full of beginner bikes such as the Hero Splendor, Honda Shine, Bajaj CT100, TVS Sport and many more. They all have a 98cc or a 100cc engine with about 7-8bhp and a kerb weight of about 110Kgs.
I enjoy the hell out of my Classic 350. I have 4 other motorcycles, I'm 59 and been riding since I was a kid. It's not at all about dragging a knee at my age. Maybe I'm too old to be subscribed here.
Tbh i got a classic 350 its not fast ,it has heart issues ,its heavy , its milage is no where to be seen yet its the feel you get when you ride in that bike is other worldly , it has a lot of carisma and mostly it makes you feel like a man you can also get alot of girls from this
The classic 350 is about the aesthetic and is great for the city at its price point. For someone who wants or owns a classic 350, the triumph is not even close as an alternative (looks way too sporty and in no way retro)
Totally missed the mark on Royal Enfield's 350cc lineup. The bikes are built to thump along at a steady pace and enjoy the ride. I personally have never owned one but know many who do and who absolutely adore them. They do everything you want them to do at a decent price. Stop hating on a range of bikes you've never ridden !
Has a 1993 model 2,25,000 kms still original engine never opened other than changing the clutch and cleaning the inside , has still the original piston from 1993. Tell me a bike you can find today which is that old with that many kms on the clock with original piston and the original engine still working like a brand new one
Actually the 2025 CFMoto 300SS was substantially updated. Its 20 pounds lighter, has slightly more CC and power and updated styling closer to the 450SS. The 300NK is lame tho.
I had an opinion like that too, but after riding my RE Thunderbird 500 which has been in my family for more than a decade as my regular, I sincerely disagree. Cruising on roads, handling a few rough patches off the beaten path, or having a huge fuel tank that can take you anywhere, it's a beast of a bike. There are a few cons, but I couldn't care less.
I started on a 1976 honda CB550T it was slow asf and topped out at 101mph 😅 and have constant reliability problems due to the carbs and a garbage battery.
The RE classic 350 seemed a perfect first bike until I learned that taxes were an added 1/3rd the price. For $4k they seemed pretty good and stylish, but for $6k (after taxes) it's total crap compared to used bikes you can get for under $6k. The 650cc super meteor and the new 650 classic might be better for the price I don't know.
I would love your thoughts on that RE 350 I bought it as a new rider. It definitely helped me to learn techniques and gain confidence. It got me out and riding. Through the streets and highways in New York. Not the most ideal place for fun riding. But it helped me at 55 get out there.
There's another version of the gsx-250r in asia which is like not branded as gsx but literally gixxer, and its called gixxer 250sf. Its different from the gsx-250r. its lighter, it weighs 357lbs(40lbs less), it has 2more bhp, same torque. it has a better power to weight ratio. The thing also is, its cheaper, and has good ergonomics surprisingly.
I saw a review of the new Enfield Classic 650 in Ride magazine (a UK bikers' magazine) and it described it as a nice bike with 'character' for pottering down the country lanes on - exactly what people buy the 350s for, but the 350 does 30-40mpg more. Honda have just brought one out, though there's just one model rather than four, but it's 14kg lighter.
As an Indian, The Honda XR150L has not yet been officially launched in India. Expected Launch: January 2025 Price (Expected): ₹ 4,30,000 (ex-showroom) It might be an asian bike, but still not launched in India.
Weirdly 350 thumpers are legit NOT beginner bikes in india. For anyone who has never riden a bike before , the weight and torque is genuinely alot of handle especially during corning or turns or uphill ride . And honestly with the speeds in most countries, 20-30 bhp is all you need really , its not always about the speed , it's the biking experience thats matters
As the owner of an Enfield Classic 350, I was ready to be offended, but even though I love the bike as an older rider in an Australian city, I certainly wouldn't recommend it for most US cities, so Yammie's point stands. Didn't realise the Triumph 400 is so close in price over there; makes it no contest. But horses for courses, I still like my Enfield :)
Honestly, I own an XR150L 2019 model and went to a Honda dealership 6 years later aaannd still no improvement whatsoever. Even at least putting in a longer tube for the engine breather nor a fuel guage on the instrument panel.
my new Haojiang hj150-7a 's msrp is like 926usd ...it has 9.2kw or 12ps of aircooled power., 11nm of torque. and features fuel injection from american brand Delphi, no old cab. top speed 100kph, 2.4L/100km or 98Miles per Gallon...beginners' ride of choice that costs literally a fraction of any bike YaamieNoob mentions...
Honestly love the classic 350 I take mine everywhere from highways to back roads, even on ohrv trails and even ride in the winter here in the northeast states. And it handles most terrain really well especially with dual sport tires. I'm running kenda k270 rear and k60 fronts loud as hell tires but my bike seems to love them. Overall the honestly worst thing about the Royal Enfields is the waiting time on parts when you order them lol.
2:35 My 13 y/o brother upgraded from a clapped out ttr 125 to a xr150. For him that’s a perfect bike, but I have a crf300l. If you’re a beginner dual sport rider I recommend the 300, it just has more capability.
I rode a duke 200 on a course before I got my own bike. As someone quite tall it was awful. The flare on the tank for the riders knees didn’t fit me so I had to either sit on the pillion seat or have my legs flared out like I was riding a horse
The RE 350s are actually very cool and characterful - as a 2nd or 3rd bike in your stable, not as your only bike. Also an A1 compliant Gixxer 125 is actually faster.
This is probably the first and only video that talks down on the Versys-X 300 !! I happen to own one and it's a great bike. Very light, nimble, has low seat height, powerful enough to be cruising at highway speeds, good MPG, and is very versatile. I watched many many reviews about the Versys-X 300 before buying mine and ALL reviews were good. Ryan's video on FortNine concerning the VX300 is actually fantastic. Very well made and creative. Perhaps it is out of jealousy that you Mister the Noob used part of his content to talk trash !? Unlike Ryan, you are so immature, unprofessional and disrespectful. You talk and act like a teenager. Hard to believe you still have so many subscribers !! I stopped watching your stuff months ago and only came here as i was very surprised to hear you had made a bad review about the VX300. Chances are, you won't even read this comment and it's ok. Maybe others will and it's gonna help wake some people up.
A lot of his critiques are correct but like he said if you want one don't let anybody stop you. I have an xr150 and a cbr250r and they are fun bikes. Every bike has it's plus and minuses and I still want one of each of them. I also have a cbr1000rr but the small bikes are still amazing.
My first bike was an 86 Cb400. I used to run with neighborhood kids on their dirt bikes, through the woods, on that thing. Anything is a dual sport if you are brave/dumb enough
Been a follower ever since I first got interested in bikes and it absolutely shatters my heart to see my beloved Hunter 350 in this list 😿💔 However, Yammie, I also understand your viewpoint and every part of me is aligned with it (except the sentimental attachment I have with the Hunter)
In Argentina, Honda XR 150 (or even better, 250 tornado) is a dream and many consider this bike as the best one in the class (or even the best 150 cc) P.S. the new one is around 5k$
Yes I think you are wrong about old school tech. Reliable, easy to work on and great fun for the purpose. I have an Indian Hero Eco 150 trail. I'm 72 and do lots of offroading. Similar engine to XR 150. 14 HP and top end 120. Price about US $1200... Fun at low price with 100 000km or 5 year warranty. More fun than any duel sport I've owned
Yo The Honda XR150 was NEVER sold in India Even its derivative, the Hero Impulse 150 sold in modest numbers and was produced for less than half a decade
Honda only makes engine of xr150 in India. It shares engine with honda unicorn and hornet. It can be cheaply made upto 184 cc using hornet cylinder kit, pistons, piston rings, connecting rod and crank for cheap if one buys parts from india.
This like comparing a Harley Davidson 1200cc to a Kawasaki ZX10r. Royal Enfields are simply great for what they offer in their price, besides it's not about the high end power but rather the low end grunt out of an OHV engine with taller stroke length which is so much better than lot of motorcycles of the same displacement. They are meant for cruising and not high speed runs. Just compare the stroke length of any 350cc Royal Enfield to that of the triumph speed 400, 85.99mm vs 64mm. Secondly the reason they are heavy is because they use really less plastics compared to any other motorcycle. It's all about taste end of the day.
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Ah yes, good ol' Yammie straight up ignoring that there are markets outside the US where anything over 250cc suffers massive tax penalties, or where things like A1 and A2 licenses exist. Or that 20hp and 70+ MPG are actually desirable in a commuter bike that has to do nothing but get you from one side of town to the other during rush hour.
The GSXR250R however, yes that thing isn't worth it at all. The CBR-250RR-R and ZX-250R however are freaking amazing, but those are not beginner bikes with their tiny 4 cyl screamers.
@fermitupoupon1754 Buying RE with 20 hp at 191 kg as a commuter city bike is nonsensical, when you can get a solid scooter, like Honda PCX: way nimbler, way cheaper, way more fuel-efficient, waaay lighter, with automatic gearbox and better brakes, and for which in EU you don't even need A1, if you have B.
This RE is for no-one and serves no purpose. The only advantage I can imagine is a slightly better performance on holey roads, but then there are better and cheaper alternatives for that, too.
Honda xr150 was never launched in India and you are saying sold in India 😂😂😅
You should add "in the U.S" to that title my dear Yammie.
Too many videos of this channel should have that.
I agree with Yammie Boob.
20 HP is very less for beginner who has no exp in motorcycle riding. It needs to have at least 200 HP, 25 gears and a Super Computer for tech and aid.
Excellent reply!
U have a re, don't u Mr. I don't like if anyone criticises my bike which is worse than someone's grandpa's bike whether it being in my own country.
@prediatoredits Oh I wish. All I have is a 30 year old Suzuki Shogun which people even in my own country won't remember.
Power to weight Ratio is a thing too.
anything above 40 hp will be fine
get a re 650 they work just fine
Petition for yammie to ride a royal enfield classic 350 !!!! It would be peak content !
Yes! Or Dong Fang 250cc
If he wanted a slow ass shit handling tractor, he'd get a tractor
@@Kingjames313 I think I bought one of those by another name - the wretched BOOM BD250 lol
Ay that's my first bike your talking about there, from that to a Gt650, ktm 1290 sas and now bmwf900gs
@@yammienoobthe 350 probably isn't quite that bad. It's not good, kind of like riding a big heavy Grom around without the fun factor.
1:51 - INDIAN MARKET BIKE 😐. Jeez Yam stop rubbing salt in our wounds. Honda doesn't really assemble anything fun here in India. I've lived in India for 25 years & never seen that xr150.
Seriously where does he get his facts.....
The first beginners bike should be a manual bicycle. Then only 50-125cc..
I’ve lived in India for 40 years and never seen it man.
@@rallynfernandes8970 The Honda XR150L has not yet been officially launched in India.
Expected Launch: January 2025
Price (Expected): ₹ 4,30,000 (ex-showroom
U got xpulse instead 💀
XR150 - Hero Impulse 150, same bike
Ryan F9 is the go to for motorcycle info. No one comes close.
Yammie couldn’t even amount to his left ass cheek.
Technical info. Lots of engineering taught on that channel.
You either get the Royal Enfield or you don’t. You don’t.
Im an RE fan and owner, and even im willing to admit the 350 is hammered shit. A person can subjectively like an objectively inadequate thing.
RE's are slow and vibey. I have a scram 411 and it does not excite me at all these days. I do like the new 450 offerings tho. But the air cooled engines are not great.
@ my meteor 350 is smoother than my Sv650 and GSX-S1000 I wouldn’t say the 350s are vibey at all.
Just a buy a harley or Indian instead 🙏🏼💀
@ for 4 times the price
Your critique of the Royal Enfield 350s misses the entire point of the bike. But maybe you're still too young yet to understand, give it time.
Exactly, its about the ride with enfields, not the power. The thumping feel of the bikes is like nothing else(probably closer to harleys)
I made a 3000km trip with my classic all the way to cancun last summer. It was so damn fun, no need to mach 2 speeds.
Ride it from highways and alternate roads. The bike got a lot of compliments all the way
I rode a classic 350 and whilst I liked it where I live (Toronto) it doesn't have enough power to safely commute.
i personally see royal enfields as what i think they always are, they make bulletproof, efficient, and beautiful retro (or neo-) standards, i wish we got more of them where i live, its a rich kid's retro standard, an opposite of what the brand is in india...
They are beautiful. They are the bikes that got interested in bikes as a young samosa visiting India. I'm an older browner samosa man now so I still they're beautiful but still slow.
But I must ask, why else are they great per your opinion?
Like you said, the RE 350s are really neat in other countries. Definitely not fit for high speed cruising if you live in the US, the thumper just does not output enough power (plus at least here they're electronically limited to 120kph/75mph) but in the places where RE cares about making sales - such as India, Argentina, Brazil, Colombia, Bangladesh, Thailand or Nepal - the price is impossible to beat due to the CKD plants, the performance is (borderline) enough for the roads, and both maintenance and insurance are cheap as hell. For comparison, in Argentina, where an average salary is about 400-500 US dollars a month, a Classic 350 is around $5,400 US dollars, while something like a Duke 390 is $11,000, a Honda CB300 Twister is just shy of $8,000 or a Yamaha R3 is nearly $12,000.
As an aside, the XR250 ($8,000) and the new 300 are *all the rage* here despite being expensive, to the point they are also by far the most stolen motorcycle in the country. Most insurance companies will refuse to cover XRs against theft or destruction because how common it is for them to get stolen or ridden by maniacs.
I can assure you 20 hp are more than enough for Highway cruising. It works on the german Autobahn without Speedlimits so american Highways shoudlnt be a Problem.
I think the US models are limited to 85. More than enough for most roads here.
A Duke 390 is $11K in Argentina? Holy shit!!
@@eviljan8158 Yes but the Autobahn has lots of lanes so the slow moving vehicles aren't in the way. In lots of other places roads are two lanes .... meaning you are going to be in the way of the faster traffic. Plus, I live in America in Oklahoma. We often have a headwind of 40 mph with gusts of 80 and the traffic is going 80 mph. So if you get on your little 20 hp bike trying to go 80 to keep up with traffic against a 40 mph wind and you start going uphill you will find out really quick that 20 hp isn't enough. But I'm happy that in Germany 20 hp is enough.
Foreign countries have different ideas about big bikes.. a 400cc is HUGE in the Philippines.. I asked my tour guide in Boracay to get the biggest motorcycle he could find for us to rent.. it was a 150cc Yamaha 😂. It’s okay because we were able to cruise the island nicely. And any motorcycle is better than no motorcycle
Yep, U.S is not all what it is😂😂
Nahh Ryan F9 Slander is not gonna be tolerated his content is more genuine than yours lol
Seriously. This isn’t the rap game. We don’t need RUclipsrs trying to bash each other. That was incredibly gay by Yammie Noob
Honest to god, a Meteor 350 is one of my dream bikes, and I plan on getting one this coming summer.
Yeah don't over-fixate on the numbers
They look so beautiful man, someone at work has a yellow Meteor 350 and its really beautiful. I always admire it a bit lol.
Yeah good decision my man. It's one of the bikes that is simple to the core. Hope you'll have fun.
I've got a Steller Blue Meteor, it's been a very good first bike for me. It feels underpowered now that I'm more seasoned but I still enjoy it.
I own the classic 350 as my first bike, its damn fun. Im glad I did not get the triumph. Sorry dude!!
Same here, I own a 2022 classic 350 and a 2025 Himi 450. Love them both.
He just doesnt know the half of what hes talking about, atleast when it comes to beginner bikes. 20 hp is more than enough even for the Autobahn in Germany.
@@eviljan8158 20hp might be okay for a scooter but 20hp on a 420lb bike is freaking atrocious.
@@Win7ermu7e If youre not trying to set Speedrecords 20 hp is more htan enough. More than 100 is fun but overkill.
Yeah, my 350 is great doing what it was designed for but, it can cruise at the speed limit here in Aus. with a bit in reserve. Certainly not designed for USA highway speeds but elsewhere in the world it is great.
I would never change my Classic 350 for a Triumph. The point is NOT have the most modern shit the market has to offer. But this guy knows this, his goal is to farm comments like this one. That's how one survives in RUclips.
I suggest not picking on Ryan F9, your channel can't even go in the same sentence as his channel lolz
It's ok, as a Canadian I can say we're sorry for him.
Not really "his" channel, guy is a mouthpiece for a corporation. He does great work and is genuine about his love of bikes though.
@@yammienoob Always thought he founded it, it seemed that way. Appreciate the reply.
@@grtbgf Fortnine is an online motorcycle apparel and parts store. He is just involved in the channel.
@@yammienoobdon't you run your own store where you run raffles that promote spending more to increase your chance of winning?
Yammie last month: There's an affordability crises in motorcycling, no one's going to be able to afford the sport if manufacturers don't lower prices
Yammie today: All these small affordable low CC beginner friendly bikes are garbage and people should just be willing to fork over 6 to 8 grand on a whim for bikes I deem acceptable, why can't everyone just ride sportsters and ducatis like we do out in L.A.?
Not only did you not get his point at all, he also lives nowhere near LA 😂
Dude always praises the ninja 400-500 and the Aprilia 457 and the triumph speed 400. Also he lives in texas 🦑
whats texas have to do with anything ?
@@T____W____7777 THEN WHY DOES HE SOUND LIKE A SURFER GUY
argument: the RE meteor 350 isnt for beginner riders, its for older riders looking to get back into riding and dont need anything fast or expensive. its a great bike to ride and is very good for long gentle rides.
I would love to see a special just to talk about how the bike community is different in other parts of the world. For example, here in chile a 400cc it is not a beginner ride, a 125 up to 200/250 it is considered a beginner ride,
Yup. Same here in India. Here the 350 RE's are a midsize bike. Not entry level.
Literally everyone starts on 100-125cc scooters/bikes. Most people use them as commuters & the only consideration is comfort & fuel efficiency.
Bajaj literally sells a bike with a CNG tank that is rated for 100km/kg of fuel.
Interesting. Here in Latvia a 600cc bike is considered a beginner bike. A 750-800cc is a middle-weight and anything above or including 1000cc - a "proper" bike. There's very little demand for anything below 500-600cc. But that's mainly because you're riding a 600cc bike on the exam and you're already used to this kind of power. So when you get your driving license, you don't really see the point to settle for anything smaller than 600cc.
@@Mrbuchnev1very interesting that you do your exams on 600s, wonder if it ends up being safer long term getting used to that power/clutch feel on a more powerful bike under instruction. Much love for Latvia, was there for the first time earlier this yeat
Don't try to fight F9. I know they're a corporation, but you'll lose. Ryan has fuck-you-charisma. And he doesn't sham his site all the time. Hell, his ads are actually entertaining.
Jesus, whatever.
Phew, my bike wasn't on the list.
I'm disappointed that mine wasn't on the list 💩
it wasnt on the list bc it was discontinued
Wow, those are some strong words against your peer, Ryan F9...
I don't think a guy who is an employee at some powersports company is my peer. Ryan is great at what he does though, and very creative.
@@yammienoobhe makes better videos than you
@@fry.master damn man i think it really hit his feelings thats some random dude on youtube doesnt like his videos
@@fry.master You're absolutely right. If I had to pick between F9 and YN, I know who my choice is. Ryan is where it's at.
@@jelledhont5661 i never said i didnt like his videos, i said fortnine was better.
You seem to still think we’re back in the 2010s when bikes were purely recreational! With inflation, stagnant wages, and the average new car costing over 40 grand people are going to have to start buying bikes to replace their second car. To save money using a bike requires some brutal compromises. The bike has to get great mileage (my car gets 42 mpg, a commuter bike should get 70-80), be cheap to insure, be easy to maintain (meaning do-it-yourself because dealers are $$$$) and thus simple (anyone can handle air cooled, one cylinder, two valve chain drive bike) with a very low cost of entry. In a harsh economy a recreational bike is a luxury most won’t be able to afford. Unless current trends change, of course.
The problem with Yammie is that HE thinks that HE speaks for everyone when HE really speaks for no one but HIMself. HIS opinion is that every purchase must be made on how much HP the bikes makes versus any other consideration. Pathetic, really.
I have a truck and bought a cheaper bike (cf moto 700-clx) in order to extend the life of my truck.
Yammie has never even owned or really ridden any classic bike hardly at all. Pathetic
I had a pleasure meeting some of the greatest moto journalists in my country. While meeting them, we had a deep conversation about youtubers and their reviews regarding the bikes. And yam fit directly into the category of reviewers that just yap and don't know what the bikes actually feel like. Your take on royal Enfield is a good example. Please don't degrade yourself by talking nonsense.
LOL I never imagined to watch 5 out of my 6 next bike options in just one video 😅
Seeing as how a 2nd gen turboed Hyabusa is the pinnacle of beginner bikes and is not included on this list, yes, this list is accurate.
im an indian, and own a hunter 350. for the avg indian guy like me, it makes a little sense, but if you are in the EU or USA just skip the 350cc's atleast. the lack of power will trouble you more than the "too much" power from other bikes.
too much power, u will work your way around it. too little power and u really cant do much.
go for the 450s or 650s
350 is fine for eu...just check the speed limits in uk.
Oh, yeah. I keep forgetting that you have this ridiculous need to ride 120 mph everywhere on an 800 pound bike.
The thing with Royal Enfield 350s is that it is enough power for road conditions like India has. You don't benefit from having fast and powerful bikes in these roads. And the classic has a huge appeal, so it works, proud owner of a Hunter 350 myself.
I got a versys 300 as my first bike and it's awesome 👍😎
I got it as my 7th bike and it's my daily ride and it really is awesome
Hey I bought RE Hunter 350 and it's actually fun to ride. I can probably get it up 70mph 75 if I'm going downhill with a good tail wind. Will I probably buy something bigger, yeah. For right now it does what I need it to do and I've even gotten positive comments on it's looks.
5 seconds 0 views, fell off greatly dang
Yammie- 5:40 Royal enfield 350s... you should really ride one before commenting on what they might be like to ride!
Yep, it's just all about numbers and stuff but no actual experience on the bikes
That was one helluva backhanded compliment to Ryan F9 lmao
The 401 Himalayan was only meant to stay in the domestic market, wouldn’t call that a fail.
In Latin America, the Honda XR 150L is a very desirable bike, it’s almost $3200 here, I agree, too expensive for 0 updates in almost 3 decades just cause it says Honda. Down here small displacement bikes are the norm, a tool and a common means of transportation, unlike in the US which is 9/10 a toy. For 3 grand, brand new, a 2024 Hero Xpulse comes w all the bells and whistles. (Hero made bikes for Honda for 40 years, people.)
Oh wow it cost you guys 3 Grand for xpulse. Which country btw I'm curious.
@ 🇨🇷 hermano
I don’t see much point in these videos personally. I’d much rather watch the best beginner bikes, this feels like a waste of time.
If you know what not to buy then at least you are closer to know what to buy
The only thing that’s more of waste of time than watching a type of video you think is a waist of time, is commenting on a video that you say is a waist of time, and post that it’s a waist of time.
@@1993Brunu Yeah but this is a fully subjective list, it doesn't actually list bad bikes just a bunch of 300s and below this guy loves to rag on in almost every video
I bought a xr150l new in 2023 and I personally love it. Great mpg and a super light weight, easy to ride first bike. Put 5,400 miles on it in the first six months and never thought i had made a bad decision on my first bike. Would buy again.
as a CFMOTO 450ss owner, I feel as if my bike is the perfect sweet spot for a street/sport beginner bike , if I would've bought a 300ss/300nk I'd been so upset. when I got the bike a month ago the ninja/ z500 just wasn't offering enough for the price tag. I highly encourage anyone looking for a sport beginner bike to go after the CFM450ss you wont be let down!
Test rode one in a Demo Day setup. It was quick to go and stop. Just that I'm too old to put up with that much weight on my hands/wrists for long. I was gripping the tank with my legs as often as I could remember to do so, and that helped keep it off my hands. I just prefer a more upright stance like a naked bike. But if you want a beginner sport bike, the CFMOTO 450SS is quite good, at least in my test ride. No clue on the long-term reliability.
Got a versys, the 450 was literally a dream for me but I don’t fit :(
@ASutt23 what's a versys? And you know they have a taller seat, shorter seat and adjustable foot pegs right?
@ versys x300- unfortunately although the seat is fairly high it halso has heaps of clearance so my legs are very cramped (triangle isn’t good even with the pegs). But despite that my knees can’t fit below the fairing (and since it has a sharp angle it’s uncomfortable). Then again it’s in my opinion the best starter adventure bike, but unfortunately I am an exception to that because I’m 6”7 with long legs
@@ASutt23 oh wow you're tall!!!! Yeah the 450ss won't work for you aha. But at least they have peppy adv bikes that should work for you! I just looked into it they make a 650 versys as well
I bought the meteor 350 2 years ago I sill use it everyday for my 1 hour commuting to work. I love it, it is my first bike. Maybe I will change it but I a couple of years for the Super Meteor 650. Royal Enfield does know how to make good cheap bikes that are fun and really enjoyable to drive.
I have an 2017 R3 as a first bike and i love it, The only issue for me is that it sounds like an vacuum cleaner even with the slip on exhaust.
🤣
i got the triumph scrambler 400x as my first bike, and i haven't got any previous experience in riding at all... was this is a good decision?
Yes, I got the Speed 400 (coming from the scooter world) great machine to improve your skills.
Always take opinions with a grain of salt. Just pro tip
I got the cbr500r (im tallish) it was nice i got a 765 now, triumph is bb
For sure man, Scrambler 400x looks awesome, I bet it is.
Absolutely. Good bike.
I love my Suzuki Gixxer 250 naked ...it's an underrated gem 💎🔥
Problem with offshore manufacturers like BMW is once delivered, to back in EU or USA customers market,
they get paid in India..
So there is no way BMW Germany can get control of the quality of the manufacturing process.
1:43 never seen one in india.
Hero impulse
@@geekygrenade not the honda xr150
GSX250R - if you can get one cheap enough, because dealers are tired of looking at it collect dust, get one. Just leave the flip flops and shorts at home so they don't charge you a gixxer tax. Honestly I've never ridden one, but my love for Suzuki has be re-established after leaving the green company for an 8R. I'd honestly say though for American roads, if you aren't on something at least close to 400cc or higher, you're gonna have a bad time.
I've heard of some dealerships knocking off 1k just to get rid of stock. That makes it a good purchase in my book.
I do own an XR 150 and it is to be used properly, this is a farm bike with a large tank and decent comfort. It can go into some limited offroad and tops roughly at 100 KPH. This is a perfect bike to learn driving if you use it for what it is designed ie not high speed and not single trail. Big advantage over trail bikes is better saddle and high autonomy but still very light weight. Furthermore, repairs are cheap which is a plus for a new rider which will fall more than once. Now, it is clear it is an entry level bike with primitive instruments and equipment but it is a very good bike if you live in the countryside or in a city but don't travel on fast highways. I wouldn't dismiss it for a first bike as long as you use it as per the way it was designed. For the Versys 300, i absolutely enjoyed it, it had decent power (40 HP), confidence inspiring drive and able to go on light trails too. Power is good enough to go on any highway without problems, weight is manageable and engine is bullet proof. True it doesn't have sophisticated tools like TC but this is not needed for that power. You don't need to be an IT engineer to drive it which makes it in my view a very good first bike, Now, i have KTM 790 ADV but I still miss the Versys which was easy to drive anywhere thanks to the weight. XR may be questionable as first bike unless proper environment but I wouldn't dismiss Versys at all whatever the place.
I appreciate your videos like this. I am one of those middle aged guys that just got my license and am looking for a good beginner bike. I have done way too much research on what bike I should get as my first one. I am looking for something to be able to ride back and forth to work on. My commute is 7 miles in northwest CT so great backroads, but also looking for something I can cruise on for hours on end. My top three I am looking at are the Royal Enfield shotgun 650, Honda Shadow Phantom 750, and Honda Rebel 1100. Midlife crisis buy yes... looking to break the sound barrier no, just want a good all around bike I wont get tired of that can be comfortable if I decide to hop on the highway and travel a few hundred miles. Its good to know what NOT to look into. Thanks :)
You better be fairly short legged to ride a Shadow Phantom. I test rode the Rebel 1100 and it is a screamer - which I loved. Afraid I cannot recommend it for a noob as carrying too much speed into a corner is a cinch on the Rebel that shares the Honda Africa Twin engine. That's what gets most new riders killed - too fast and deep into a curve, then instinctively clamping the front brake lever and losing control of the bike. FYI, started riding at age 55 and am only three years in, riding my third and fourth bikes these days - KLR 650 and Harley Dyna Street Bob. I threw a leg over a Shotgun 650 and it felt and looked great. Good luck with the Royal Enfield reliability. Ridershare platform for P2P renting motorcycles reports having the most reliability problems (renters complaining of problems that can interrupt a rental period) with Royal Enfields. FWIW. YMMV
He don't know what he's talking about, try it for yourself, Yammie is just a kid with fixation on numbers, he is just one of those guys who "needs the adrenaline" or whatever. Me, I'm riding to relax, within the limits of the laws, small CC bikes are great for backroads and your daily necessities.
With regards to Royal Enfield 350 models...you're saying beginners shouldn't go for any bike that is capable of no more than what is legally allowed on modern roads and motorways/highways...what?! 😂
The 350s are all governed to top out at 72mph, which is 2mph more than what you're legally allowed go on US highways...seeing as you can't go beyond that, what would be the point in getting anything more powerful?
OK. It may go 72mph however it will take 22 minutes for you to reach that top speed. Best plan ahead if you need some speed to get away from that Crazy Semi Truck Driver.
You need to be able to exceed the speed limits to pass and be safe in emergencies.
@@exexpat11I have a Meteor 350 and it's really not like that, it has a pretty decent response within it's limitations, it's not just about HP, there are other numbers involved.
@@rodrigoguerreiro187My W650 had like 36hp. It took some time to get up to speed. I imagine the Enfield would be about the same. Enjoyable bikes but... It is what it is.
It sounds like the "experts" are finally realizing that the best street All around beginner bike, IN THE US, is the 450 class (400-500cc). I'm celebrating my 50th year of riding street motorcycles in 2025. I may in fact be near the end of that journey as I have had several medical problems this past year including passing away from a heart attack only to be brought back, a couple of limiting medical issues, and now looking forward to back surgery. In the mid to late '70s I experimented from a CB100 to a GS1000, and the 450cc was the winner. For decades I have listened as the experts recommended the 250 class (200-300cc) which can rarely reach a GPS 60 mph on any kind of incline. And is seriously lacking in a big part of what we were looking for: handlebars that give you a good tug when accelerating, being able to get away at a stoplight from most cars, and and bringing a girlfriend along (back when they weighed in at 115-135) and still have enough power. 125s are great and Indonesia, and 150 to 250 in India, and a 350 is a lovely ride in Scotland, but I'm glad to see the experts starting to say that 150 to 350 is lacking in the US!
How dare you impugn the Versys 300. I've owned a LOT of bikes in my time, from big displacement fours to big V twins and 125 scooters. The X is one of my favorites. No torque? No problem. It revs to the moon. You compare it to a KTM (bankrupt and unreliable) and a CRF300 Rally (even less than no balls, terrible on-road, not even the same kind of mission) and a new Kaw that you can't buy yet. Whya? The Versys has am excellent fine handling and ride balance, is very lightweight, and very reliable, and offers ABS- an absolute requirement. I can throw it on a hitch carrier on the Jeep in about a minute. With a Corbin seat, tall windshield and a few teeth off the rear sprocket the thing eats miles, loves curves, and is comfortable for hours. I don't think you can find more used motorcycle for the buck. Kawasaki should put the old Ninja 400 motor on it - I'd buy a new one in a minute. Have you ever actually ridden one, or just spouting off here?
Man I got a brand new 300x as my first bike and it's awesome... Love it
Dude, you're getting way too defensive over someone's opinion of your motorcycle.....
@@Originalsinn_AO Defensive? Hmmm. How about just auditing the info provided by our learned host? With correction, maybe a few people won't be discouraged from choosing a really good motorcycle that was lazily disparaged & end up with something quite worse as a result. My personal dignity is not compromised -on this subject matter anyway ...
@@martinsnyder3325 "how dare you blah blah blah" lmao okay nerd.
I can now reasonably infer that the Indian Super Chief is an excellent beginner bike. Going to the dealer tomorrow.
Indian market bike? Expect carburettor bikes are non-existent after Euro 6, like find me one carburettor bike after Euro 6 which is still being made in India...
Yammie - “Any bike is better than no bike”
Me - “So, I got this Chinese bike off of Amazon…”
I have an xr150, not my first bike but I do love it! It's great for commuting around town and is surpringly capable on some pretty gnarley trails!
A used Honda CB500X or CB500F are the best way to go because they are highway capable and have great reliability AND dealer support is unmatched 😮
I wait and wait for the notification for a Ryan F9 video and I watch your video only when someone tells me you did something terrible or stupid. Yeah !! Thats the difference between him and you Yammie.
I agree that an RE 350 makes less power and has enormous weight but considering the Indian market, RE Classic 350 is considered a luxury motorcycle. Indian market is full of beginner bikes such as the Hero Splendor, Honda Shine, Bajaj CT100, TVS Sport and many more. They all have a 98cc or a 100cc engine with about 7-8bhp and a kerb weight of about 110Kgs.
I enjoy the hell out of my Classic 350. I have 4 other motorcycles, I'm 59 and been riding since I was a kid. It's not at all about dragging a knee at my age. Maybe I'm too old to be subscribed here.
SO many bikes could be on this list, but you did a good job pairing it down. This idea gave me an idea, I have a kind of different take. 🤔
I actually love my XR150. It does everything i need it to do, and for under 3k, you can't beat it
Tbh i got a classic 350 its not fast ,it has heart issues ,its heavy , its milage is no where to be seen yet its the feel you get when you ride in that bike is other worldly , it has a lot of carisma and mostly it makes you feel like a man you can also get alot of girls from this
The classic 350 is about the aesthetic and is great for the city at its price point. For someone who wants or owns a classic 350, the triumph is not even close as an alternative (looks way too sporty and in no way retro)
Totally missed the mark on Royal Enfield's 350cc lineup. The bikes are built to thump along at a steady pace and enjoy the ride. I personally have never owned one but know many who do and who absolutely adore them. They do everything you want them to do at a decent price. Stop hating on a range of bikes you've never ridden !
Has a 1993 model 2,25,000 kms still original engine never opened other than changing the clutch and cleaning the inside , has still the original piston from 1993. Tell me a bike you can find today which is that old with that many kms on the clock with original piston and the original engine still working like a brand new one
Actually the 2025 CFMoto 300SS was substantially updated. Its 20 pounds lighter, has slightly more CC and power and updated styling closer to the 450SS. The 300NK is lame tho.
I had an opinion like that too, but after riding my RE Thunderbird 500 which has been in my family for more than a decade as my regular, I sincerely disagree. Cruising on roads, handling a few rough patches off the beaten path, or having a huge fuel tank that can take you anywhere, it's a beast of a bike. There are a few cons, but I couldn't care less.
I started on a 1976 honda CB550T it was slow asf and topped out at 101mph 😅 and have constant reliability problems due to the carbs and a garbage battery.
Ryan and the FortNine team are artists.
XR front end transition at 2:40 was smooth 👏
The RE classic 350 seemed a perfect first bike until I learned that taxes were an added 1/3rd the price. For $4k they seemed pretty good and stylish, but for $6k (after taxes) it's total crap compared to used bikes you can get for under $6k. The 650cc super meteor and the new 650 classic might be better for the price I don't know.
I would love your thoughts on that RE 350 I bought it as a new rider. It definitely helped me to learn techniques and gain confidence. It got me out and riding. Through the streets and highways in New York. Not the most ideal place for fun riding. But it helped me at 55 get out there.
so u is basically sayin that "yeah boy if its not fit for america fk it"
This shit only applicable in the west. Rare to find a bike greater than 250cc here.
In the Indian Market, no one can beat RE 350s . They have a presence like no other.
Suzuki should make a GSXR400 out of the new DRZ4 with hogher end gearing and a agressive ergonomic of GSXR125
Honda XR 150 isn't available in India!
Looks suspiciosly similar to the impulse 150 which wouldn't be a surprise cuz of the hero honda venture back in the day
There's another version of the gsx-250r in asia which is like not branded as gsx but literally gixxer, and its called gixxer 250sf. Its different from the gsx-250r. its lighter, it weighs 357lbs(40lbs less), it has 2more bhp, same torque. it has a better power to weight ratio. The thing also is, its cheaper, and has good ergonomics surprisingly.
Got a versys x300. Been riding since 1992. Over 30 bikes has passed by but the versys is a keeper
I saw a review of the new Enfield Classic 650 in Ride magazine (a UK bikers' magazine) and it described it as a nice bike with 'character' for pottering down the country lanes on - exactly what people buy the 350s for, but the 350 does 30-40mpg more. Honda have just brought one out, though there's just one model rather than four, but it's 14kg lighter.
As an Indian, The Honda XR150L has not yet been officially launched in India.
Expected Launch: January 2025
Price (Expected): ₹ 4,30,000 (ex-showroom)
It might be an asian bike, but still not launched in India.
Weirdly 350 thumpers are legit NOT beginner bikes in india. For anyone who has never riden a bike before , the weight and torque is genuinely alot of handle especially during corning or turns or uphill ride .
And honestly with the speeds in most countries, 20-30 bhp is all you need really , its not always about the speed , it's the biking experience thats matters
Move your bones to bring us the horrendous hueristics of Hyosung, that marketing faff fight in graphite loans
as someone who owned a GV650 this story must be told. Truly abysmal brand.
still want a gt650r lol
As the owner of an Enfield Classic 350, I was ready to be offended, but even though I love the bike as an older rider in an Australian city, I certainly wouldn't recommend it for most US cities, so Yammie's point stands. Didn't realise the Triumph 400 is so close in price over there; makes it no contest. But horses for courses, I still like my Enfield :)
Honestly, I own an XR150L 2019 model and went to a Honda dealership 6 years later aaannd still no improvement whatsoever. Even at least putting in a longer tube for the engine breather nor a fuel guage on the instrument panel.
Hey Yam, sadly that XR150 was never sold in india, as with any Funky small cc bikes that aren't workhorses.
my new Haojiang hj150-7a 's msrp is like 926usd ...it has 9.2kw or 12ps of aircooled power., 11nm of torque. and features fuel injection from american brand Delphi, no old cab. top speed 100kph, 2.4L/100km or 98Miles per Gallon...beginners' ride of choice that costs literally a fraction of any bike YaamieNoob mentions...
Honestly love the classic 350 I take mine everywhere from highways to back roads, even on ohrv trails and even ride in the winter here in the northeast states. And it handles most terrain really well especially with dual sport tires. I'm running kenda k270 rear and k60 fronts loud as hell tires but my bike seems to love them. Overall the honestly worst thing about the Royal Enfields is the waiting time on parts when you order them lol.
2:35 My 13 y/o brother upgraded from a clapped out ttr 125 to a xr150. For him that’s a perfect bike, but I have a crf300l. If you’re a beginner dual sport rider I recommend the 300, it just has more capability.
I rode a duke 200 on a course before I got my own bike. As someone quite tall it was awful. The flare on the tank for the riders knees didn’t fit me so I had to either sit on the pillion seat or have my legs flared out like I was riding a horse
The RE 350s are actually very cool and characterful - as a 2nd or 3rd bike in your stable, not as your only bike. Also an A1 compliant Gixxer 125 is actually faster.
This is probably the first and only video that talks down on the Versys-X 300 !! I happen to own one and it's a great bike. Very light, nimble, has low seat height, powerful enough to be cruising at highway speeds, good MPG, and is very versatile.
I watched many many reviews about the Versys-X 300 before buying mine and ALL reviews were good. Ryan's video on FortNine concerning the VX300 is actually fantastic. Very well made and creative. Perhaps it is out of jealousy that you Mister the Noob used part of his content to talk trash !?
Unlike Ryan, you are so immature, unprofessional and disrespectful. You talk and act like a teenager. Hard to believe you still have so many subscribers !! I stopped watching your stuff months ago and only came here as i was very surprised to hear you had made a bad review about the VX300.
Chances are, you won't even read this comment and it's ok. Maybe others will and it's gonna help wake some people up.
in the Philippines XR150L is less than $2k "OUT THE DOOR" why does it have to be $4k otd in US
We've been converted from gunslinging pioneers into diabetic cash cows for billionaires
A lot of his critiques are correct but like he said if you want one don't let anybody stop you. I have an xr150 and a cbr250r and they are fun bikes. Every bike has it's plus and minuses and I still want one of each of them. I also have a cbr1000rr but the small bikes are still amazing.
My first bike was an 86 Cb400. I used to run with neighborhood kids on their dirt bikes, through the woods, on that thing. Anything is a dual sport if you are brave/dumb enough
Been a follower ever since I first got interested in bikes and it absolutely shatters my heart to see my beloved Hunter 350 in this list 😿💔
However, Yammie, I also understand your viewpoint and every part of me is aligned with it (except the sentimental attachment I have with the Hunter)
In Argentina, Honda XR 150 (or even better, 250 tornado) is a dream and many consider this bike as the best one in the class (or even the best 150 cc)
P.S. the new one is around 5k$
I like the looks of R.E. was very close to getting one. My weight and the engine size turned me away from it.
Yes I think you are wrong about old school tech. Reliable, easy to work on and great fun for the purpose. I have an Indian Hero Eco 150 trail. I'm 72 and do lots of offroading. Similar engine to XR 150. 14 HP and top end 120. Price about US $1200... Fun at low price with 100 000km or 5 year warranty. More fun than any duel sport I've owned
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The Honda XR150 was NEVER sold in India
Even its derivative, the Hero Impulse 150 sold in modest numbers and was produced for less than half a decade
Honda only makes engine of xr150 in India. It shares engine with honda unicorn and hornet. It can be cheaply made upto 184 cc using hornet cylinder kit, pistons, piston rings, connecting rod and crank for cheap if one buys parts from india.
This like comparing a Harley Davidson 1200cc to a Kawasaki ZX10r. Royal Enfields are simply great for what they offer in their price, besides it's not about the high end power but rather the low end grunt out of an OHV engine with taller stroke length which is so much better than lot of motorcycles of the same displacement. They are meant for cruising and not high speed runs. Just compare the stroke length of any 350cc Royal Enfield to that of the triumph speed 400, 85.99mm vs 64mm. Secondly the reason they are heavy is because they use really less plastics compared to any other motorcycle. It's all about taste end of the day.