Which King Reigns Supreme? Meruem vs Sukuna
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- Опубликовано: 12 апр 2024
- In this video I use the work I did from two previous videos (linked below) to answer the question of who would win in a fight. The king of curses, Sukuna, or the king of the chimera ant, Meruem. We go over their strengths, weaknesses, and abilities and compare them to one another to find the most likely winner.
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Meruem Video:
• How Powerful Is Meruem?
Sukuna Video:
• Can We Fathom Sukuna’s...
Meruem Scaling Google Doc:
docs.google.com/document/d/1E...
Sukuna Scalling Google Doc:
docs.google.com/document/d/12...
Power Analysis Google Doc:
docs.google.com/document/d/1V...
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Meruem is basically a less fighting-experienced mahoraga. Lots of adaptability but not the experience with close fights as sukuna who lived in the Heian Era as well
That’s an interesting way to think about it
Tbh it’s criminal to compare mahoragas adaptability to someone like meruem 😭 maho is busted asf but I get the logic
Id like to point out that while Meruem can escape the range of Malevolent shrine sukuna could just close the domain since he uses a binding vow to keep it open in the first place, thus preventing Meruem from escaping and turning him to mist
Ohhh you might be cooking I totally forgot that!
Sukuna has too much going on in terms of hax.
I agree his abilities far exceed that of Meruems
Nice video.
Thank you!
Sukuna obviously wins, but Meruem is still my King
I agree Meruem is one of the greatest characters of all time
mans waited a whole min to tell me i cant watch the video
Sukuna has like 2 major fights in the anime so far what did you think would happen 😂
Interesting video, but there are some things I don't agree with (no offense).
1. Sukuna in a weakened state was able to react and dodge Kashimo's attacks when he was in his "Mythical Beast Amber" mode which allows him to use EM waves in his attacks and based on how he dodged the attack it would put him around 2.5 to 5 times the speed of light (according to VBW).
2. There are three ways to scale Sukuna's strength and power.
(Low-end scaling)
In chapter 221 after Gojo was unsealed from the prison realm he finds himself 8,000 meters underwater in the "Japanese Trench" in the "Subduction Zone", and when he left and met up with Kenjaku he effortlessly created an earthquake that reached all the way to the "Saitama Prefecture" and the highest calculations for this feat puts it around island level. Sukuna not only scales to this but above it since he is stronger than Gojo who performed this feat.
(Mid-end scaling)
The durability/HP of JJK characters scales higher than their AP which is proven through "Black Flash" which in chapter 48 stated that impact of it is equal to a normal hit to the power of 2.5 which is insane.
Example 1: Geto took a black flash from Yuta to the face and not only survived but was still able to keep on fighting. In JJK 0 it was stated that Rika could have destroyed a whole town (I personally think this downplays their power since Rika scales above the Disaster Curses but for the sake of argument I'll roll with it) but they never said how big the town was so I will scale this by starting from the low to mid to high end scaling.
(Numbers of joules come from VS BATTLE WIKI)
Small town level
4.184×10^12 to 2.42672×10^13 joules ^2.5 = 3.58079×10^31 to 2.901×10^33 joules: small planet to planet level.
Town level
2.42672×10^13 to 4.184×10^14 joules ^2.5 = 2.901×10^33 to 3.58079×10^36 joules: planet to large planet level.
Large town level
4.184×10^14 to 4.184×10^15 joules ^2.5 = 3.58079×10^36 to 1.132×10^39 joules: large planet to darf star level.
Keep in mind that Kenjaku who had possession of Geto's body was going to be killed by Gojo in one punch and Sukuna effortlessly dodged it, this tells us that Gojo and Sukuna's AP and durability/ HP scale extremely higher than the other JJK characters.
Example 2: Hanami is comparable to Jogo in strength so she would be around small-city level and Yuji was able to keep up with her in their fight so he too would scale to it, thus Yuji's Black Flashes would be around darf star levels of AP and Hanami took five of them which by adding up be around small-star level and she was still able to keep on fighting after that. We all know Gojo would have been able to effortlessly one shot her without having to give it his all, and Sukuna is stronger than Gojo.
(High-end scaling)
In the "JJK S1 animation guide" stated that in the manga infinite void was depicted as a blank void with an expanding swath of the universe and the director Sunghoo Park wanted it to look more godly so he consulted Gege Akutami about it and he gave him some ideas which resulted in the final product, if the constructs of a domain scale to the one who cast them then this proves that both Gojo and Sukuna are universal.
I'll leave it up to you to decide which one is most likely true.
No offense taken at all! I love discussing other points of views and intricacies.
1. I personally don’t agree with the speed of light scaling. Basically I interpret him dodging that attack as dodging the barrel of a gun before the bullet was fired rather than dodging a bullet after it was fired.
2. You’re analysis of their durability being greater than their strength is actually super interesting and I never even thought about it before. I actually do agree with you on that case the only counter example I can think of is Gojo using purple to destroy the city and he took damage from his own attack as well.
3. As for the values you’ve posted it’s hard to check the numbers without seeing the math and the assumptions made but I think we’re going a little far saying Gojo is dwarf star level since I don’t believe the story is trying to imply that the characters are on that level
@@sokol_k interesting, but I have a counter argument.
1. Even if we don't use this argument for Sukuna's weakened state the moment Sukuna fully incarnated back into his original form which undid the physical damage done to his body from his battle with Gojo he was not only able to keep up with Kashimo in the "mythical beast amber" mode but ended up overwhelming Kashimo in both power and speed. Thus you can still get Sukuna above light speed cause keep in mind that all of Kashimo's attacks are infused with EM waves when in his MBA mode, from the lightning to the sound waves.
2. That's more like DC/area of affect than AP, for example in (chapter 259) explains that Sukuna's furnace technique/ the fire arrow that despite its absurd firepower it lacks both speed and range, but though the uses of a binding vow in which when Sukuna is using it outside of his "domain expansion" he can't use it on multiple people at once, Sukuna was able to increase it's range to 200 meters just like Malevolent Shrine's sure-hit effect range when using it inside the domain. This tells us that a lot of these techniques can be incredibly powerful than what they are shown to do all because they lack the range to display their capabilities.
3. I wouldn't say it's going far at all since we have characters in the series that are able to take hits from attacks on that level multiple times (aka Hanami taking 5 of Yuji's Black Flashes) and Gojo and Sukuna are able to effortlessly one shot them.
Well I can’t confidently say that Kashimo is constantly using EM waves especially since his EM attack seems to be a charge up attack. And if we assume since Kashimo is made up of lightning that he’s lightning speed although I do agree that Sukuna had him beaten in terms of speed it would still be relative so it can’t be significantly faster.
And I do agree that they are very durable and that they can take really strong attacks I don’t think there has been any narrative indication that they are star level. I could maybe buy that Sukuna and Gojo are continental to planet level but the disaster curses would need some next level indoctrination for me to buy 😂
If you ever wanna talk about it in discord or something lmk we could make a discussion type of video on the matter!
@@sokol_k
1. I checked the chapter and it doesn't indicate that Kashimo's EM waves need to be charged up before firing.
2. Based on the fact that one of the disaster curses (Hanami) was able to tank 5 of Yuji's Black Flashes who is able to keep up with her in a fight says a lot especially since she is comparable to Jogo in power. For the sake of argument I'll use your calc on Jogo's meteor feat (1.107×10^13 joules) and apply Yuji's Black Flash ^2.5 to it since he should scale to Jogo and we get (4.077×10^32 joules) which is planet level, and Hanami's durability/HP was able to withstand 5 of them.
3. I don't use discord anymore, or any social media for that matter (besides RUclips comments).
His EM wave is an attack it isn’t just always active so ofc there needs to be an activation!
Hanami is stated to be more durable than Jogo while Jogo is stated to have more speed and power. Plus goodwill Yuji doesn’t scale to Jogo since Jogo was stronger than stronger grade 1 sorcerers. Also your math is a little wrong if you multiply my calculation for Maximum meteor by 2.5 it’s only 2.77*10^13 joules, what you got is orders of magnitude higher.
Also that’s fine I was just wondering!
Sukuna negs meruem
Meruem’s character > Sukuna’s Character
Hell nah....that boring clown ain't coming close to this chaos monster
Idk about all that man Meruem is a peak character 😂
After 258 Meruem is absolutely fucking cooked
This man has cataclysm as a domain expansion....just evaporates everything is his path
Will Gojo come back and win tho?
@@sokol_knope😭😭
That’s it I’m pulling up on Gege
These are massively low ball calculations that you're doing.😂
You get what you get and you don’t throw a fit lmao
Sukuna simply outscales outhax and speed blitz meruem tbh, it's not a close matchup
I thought it was a lot closer at first!
@@sokol_k It will be closer if you do meruem vs 15F Sukuna both have mountain lvl scaling but meruem mountain lvl scaling isn't consistent
Meruem has no cursed energy so he wins
SpongeBob no diffs
Then there's the true king; Sokol the GOAT
do sukuna vs 30 billion spongebobs
That’s unfair… SpongeBob vs 30 billion Sukuna’s would still be too easy for my boy Sponge 🧽💪
Sokol can i 1v1 you in fortnite
You tryna get boxed? Lmao
Yeah it’s not even close lol
Could he beat Kusakabe though?
Meruem slams
I do agree Meruem would in fact defeat Kusakabe lmaoo
@@sokol_k nah Kusakabe solos lol
No way I don’t see it
You could argue Sukuna one taps lol, he’s bare minimum mhs+ to maybe rele+-light speed reaction/combat speeds
Sukuna def has a lot of power it’s hard to say he can one tap but he can sure do def damage. Now he is fast maybe about the speed of lightning fast but I disagree that he’s around light speed
@@sokol_k two times he reacted to Kashimos ems attack, I’m not saying he can move that fast but he can at least react that fast and probably attack that fast(maybe not sure)
I’ve seen those arguments before! I went in depth on the explanation in my Sukuna power scale video but I understand it’s a shit video. But basically I believe he didn’t react to the attack itself but rather the charge up of the attack
@@sokol_k guess we’re just gonna have to wait for the anime to confirm or deny
Unfortunately it’s so far away 😭
I will check mate you shortly mereum
I haven’t played chess since the Heian era
Mean video.
Thank you!
this video is garbage, both meruem and sukuna can be taken much higher than this
I’m open for criticism I solved problems with what I deemed as reasonable. So what do you think they are capable of and why?
@@sokol_kwhy are you doing this calculation power scale and bulshit it don't make sense why not just break down the fight strange speed durability hacks techniques raw power offense defense all that good jazz versatility intellect endurance you can't do that but you want to do power scaling that's my criticism for you and this is why I say power scaling sucks and cringe
@@sokol_kwhy do you pull something out of your ass for example if I pull something out of my ass does that make sense of how the way these two animes work between jjk and Hunter x Hunter it just automatically say oh sakuna wins because he's scale higher and down play Hunter x Hunter characters by making them infinitely weaker just buy nothing of making him look like chunks what type of video is this that's like saying Goku solos Hunter x Hunter when he doesn't
@@sokol_kfirst of all sakuna is never faster than the Chimera ant king from Hunter x Hunter second that was completely stupid of you trying to compare it to when you already know the outcome is obvious the king destroys sakuna what is techniques alone is as much as I like jjk I'm not going to sit here with a straight face and go with a popular opinion and start being biased
I disagree with just about everything you said in all your comments. How can you compare speed, strength, and defense if you have no reference for comparison? If you want to talk about characters within the same story than you can use a narrative element as a reference but for cross verse battles you need some objective basis which is what I attempt to use instead of as you put it “pulling it out my ass”. Although I do regret not mentioning that Meruem probably got faster after becoming rose it really wouldn’t have changed my verdict at the end since it’s unquantifiable. And I tried my best not to lowball and used the most logical reasoning I could come up with, if you believe you have better please let me know I am always open to that kind of criticism. Bringing up Goku was a little out of the blue since physically no one in HxH can stand up to Goku and the only few times he would lose is due to hax like wishes from Nanika or whatnot.
notv splendind
Your coping mate. 🤣🤣 Gojo is over.
Don’t ever disrespect my pookie bear like that 😤 lmaoo
Lmao dude can't stop stressing them lonely nights of sadness without the divided one, but nah frl taking away ten shadows like he ain't make it better is just hating fr🤣cause I like yuta, rimuru, and other characters like that. I'm js *your cope is showing*
You’ll be sorry when Gojo comes back and beats Sukuna 😢 lmaooo jk