I just bought an ML kit 173 hmr 8700 it fits together perfectly. I do have a couple of questions ???? Most boats I’ve seen have the engine tub is offset to the left this one the engine tub is offset to the right ????? And no I didn’t build it wrong, I swear ! So do I center the engine in the tub and do I run the drive shaft into the center of the tub or the center of the transom ?
Hmm... When you order it you specify which offset you want. You must've gone the wrong way. On 1/8 scale I offset engine and strut 1/4" to the left, 3/8" on gassers. Not sure how you'll pull that off now, but at the very least you need to get everything centered. Time to get out the Dremel!
Dang Gary, I don't remember in which video I detailed that, but it's in my library of videos somewhere. Briefly, I install a vertical piece of .030 or .040" G10 to the floor and stringers and up through the deck about 3/4". The uprights are open on the bottom and fit down over these G-10 pieces. I drill through the uprights and the G-10 and use two nylon 6-32 screws to attach each upright, passing through the fiberglass upright and threading into the G-10. In a blowover the nylon screws will shear instead of breaking the uprights or the G-10 mounts. Slick!
I know I'm a year late in commenting, I love the boat, but it kind of makes me want to make a 1993 U6 with Mike Hansen behind the wheel. Loved the Tony the Tiger boat!
Ok, my first, only great desaster, but with this Channel & a Kit , only wow!!! 1. THE wreight-lost is amazing & , it works so well & is sooo fast - Great Great thx!!
@@M5PerfHydros noo,noo ! Sorry , ja First huuughe fail : TP Buy from Horizon the UL19 !!! , Looks Amazing, but.... They did the cooling wrong ! & 120A , is nothing, i have zeigt a 400A System, but it is what it is & its like a Stone in Space ! Lost! 500€ for this b# s# , but i will never lose so hard ! I HAVE TO FILM IT NOW !!! ✌🏼🇦🇹😉
Dought you read these comments, but I am getting my ass kicked on trying to find a hydroplanes sponson pattern, I am wanting to make my saltwater little fishing skiff with the sponson look which I am making them about 4-5 feet long about 36” wide, actually I’m extending after sponson all way out the back with flat squared off 2’ step for extra flotation. Total of 11’. I don’t know where to look I just need a drawn pattern of curves angles from front to about 1/4 way down making shell and filling with liquid floatation foam mix, then glassing it somewhere there has to be a drawn pattern I can enlarge thanks
The video was poor quality and not RUclips-worthy, but you can see it on my Facebook page here; m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1860076217462734&id=237635276373511¬if_t=page_post_reaction¬if_id=1592008558325781&ref=m_notif
I know a couple of ways you can shave another few grams, both motor plates front and back could have some holes and chanfers drilled into them, I don't think it will affect the strength of them in a significant way. Also there is very last part of your exhaust could be aluminum instead of copper so that would save a few grams as well. That being said, you've done a damn good job and I really look into seeing that thing run!
Ah... Don't think I hadn't thought of those things! First, the motor mounts seem to be some super low grade aluminum, no doubt to allow the bends without breaking, and I felt they were already so weak that any lightening might weaken them too much. Similar result for the exhaust, though I'm still considering it. An aluminum tube of similar strength requires a much thicker wall and I found the brass was actually lighter. Perhaps I can get away with a thin wall aluminum tube, and I may yet try it!
I do the carbon rods like that and make good braces and are stronger than you think!I have broken them but by letting the grandkids in the shop without watching😀4yr old boys test the strength🥺
Huh. Seems I forgot to show that part, eh? I cut a taper in the hole and use flat head aluminum screws from below, so that the heads are flush with the bottom.
@@M5PerfHydros hey mate, can you tell me if I were to leave the wood decks on the boat raw (No paint) should I seal the boat using the epoxy method that you use and also do you have any plans for the eliminator
Well here's the deal... I threw away the package so I don't know the part number, sorry! I purchased it from Bill at Rattlesnake RC and he probably knows the number off the top of his head. Hit him up and I'm sure he can help.... he knows my stuff inside and out!
I'm sure it would. Bear in mind that though it is very light it's also very large, about 53" long, so I'm not sure if typical 1/8 scale electronics would work or not. Of course, a guy could always scale it down to 1/8 and have an electric bullet!
Hi Scott, I'm totally new boats in fact I'm just painting my first hydroplane 1.8 th scale and it's all down to watching you. I purchased a 5.2cc nitro marine motor and I need your help in deciding what size propellor to fit with a prop shaft diameter of 4mm, if you wouldn't mind helping me, thanks.
Hi Andy, I think I have bad news for you... An 8th scale hydro would typically use an 11cc motor, so that little 5.2 will likely not move the boat well at all. I have no idea what prop to try, but it will have to be very small.
Finnish ply from Balsa USA. I use 1/8" and 1.5mm for most of the construction, and 1mm and 1.5mm for the top deck and bottom skins. shop.balsausa.com/default.asp
That's awesome! I'm guessing you must have found the plans from David Newton at Newton Marine. Have you seen the wood kits from ML Boatworks? Mike's kits fit together perfectly like a puzzle, and dramatically shorten build time! My Eliminator was built with one of his kits and is featured on his website. Check him out here; mlboatworksrc.com/ Thanks for watching!
@@M5PerfHydros My plan was designed by Roger Newton, but after watching your construction videos I was in doubt what type of wood I should use to build.
Hi Scott, I ran across one of your pit tour videos, I been watching your videos for last couple of weeks. I really appreciate your love for the hobby. I’m a rc’r myself. I have built airplanes, helicopters, fiber glass power boats and sailboats throughout the years. Now I’m inspired from watching your videos. I think I’m ready to build a wood hull kit. I love nitro power and would like to build a hull around a .67 rossi. What would you recommend as first build?
Awesome! Let's build boats! So are you thinking of a hydroplane or some other type of hull? If it's a hydroplane that you have in mind the Nova Rossi 67 is a great choice. Be extremely cautious during break-in though since they are super tight when they're new. I take mine apart and lap the piston to the bore with 800 grit lapping compound to greatly reduce the break-in time. But I digress (as usual).... If you're building your first hydro I'd suggest you build a 70's style boat, 1/8th scale, picklefork design with no wings. They are the easiest to build and best handling boats by far. The best place I know of to buy wood kits is MLBoatworks; mlboatworksrc.com/ Take a look at the MHR (Master Hull Roster) 8255 hulls. These have been the best all-around hulls I think. Many good fiberglass boats and cowlings are also available from RC Boat Company; rcboatcompany.com/ Between these two you should be able to find almost anything you'd want!
Hey Scott, Just check with local rc club, ( RACING ASSOCIATION OF MIAMI) lake is closed, but I found out about a non sanctioned lake that rc'r a running their boats. Club is mostly running gas, no race class for nitros. I will be looking for a gas hull. Any suggestions?
So many choices! Dunno if you're wanting to build wood or get a glass hull to get on the water quickly.... I've seen this glass hull run extremely well with no modifications; www.rcboatcompany.com/SG110H-GS.html
But if you want to build from wood I haven't seen any of the commercially available ones completed yet so I'm not sure which of those I'd recommend. My own design is very light and very fast, but I'm not selling it!
I know you have designed and built your gas boat based on your years of experience and it looks really cool. I been looking at pit videos but can't tell which is wood or glass. I do like to build, I need to learn how to walk before I can run before I go crazy and all out on a boat. Need to check out local club and see what type of hulls they are racing. Then I can make a decision. I'll check out Ml boatworks also.
Regular automotive paint, usually Deltron or Omni if I'm feeling cheap! EuroClear has been my clearcoat for a few years, but I'm thinking I'll try one of the aerosol clears on my next boat... Video when the time comes!
Ive been enjoying your videos for a while now. Been in modeling most of my life, but never boats (built several, just never put them in the water). Anyway, I was wondering why the boats seem to all be built out of wood, with a thin FG layup rather than full FG with a few strategically placed wood stringers? Is it a class rule? Is weight the issue? It just seems that it would be little extra work to use the first build as a plug, make a mold, and then pop out a new boat or part there of anytime you felt like it. Obviously, you're already doing that with the cowels.
Great question! I used to build fiberglass boats, but I find I can make them much lighter from thin ply. Also much easier to repair after the inevitable crash. Lastly, I never build two boats the same, so a mold and the ability to make a copy doesn't interest me!
@@M5PerfHydros Thanks for your reply. I suspected weight was the reason. If there were races in my area, I'd be seriously tempted to try with bagged CF. If, and until then, I'll live vicariously through your videos.
@@M5PerfHydros I may have too. Need to figure out where it's permitted. We have a few local bodies of water, but I've never seen RC powerboats on them. Haven't found any clubs listed here on the NAMBA site.
They come that way. Search around in the website... All shapes and sizes, drilled and undrilled. I use the 1/2" x 1" x 1/8" rectangles with two mounting holes
Yes but very rarely use it. I do post a lot more stuff on Facebook however at M5 Performance Hydroplanes. I've heard your name... Maybe Bill Brandt has mentioned you...
Your mounts are right. Nice
Nice boat!
Thanks Joseph!
Perfect, great work 👍‼️💯🔥🏁🛥️🤓🇨🇵
Thanks!
What a Beautiful boat!!!! Love the craftsmanship!!
Thanks for watchin' Rick!
I would be interested but in in vintage style Lauterbach 7litre's, Or a Les Staudacher Miss Windy.
Build one!
ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL. I fly RC planes. Even raced them at one time. Love the channel
Thanks 👍
I just bought an ML kit 173 hmr 8700 it fits together perfectly. I do have a couple of questions ???? Most boats I’ve seen have the engine tub is offset to the left this one the engine tub is offset to the right ????? And no I didn’t build it wrong, I swear ! So do I center the engine in the tub and do I run the drive shaft into the center of the tub or the center of the transom ?
Hmm... When you order it you specify which offset you want. You must've gone the wrong way. On 1/8 scale I offset engine and strut 1/4" to the left, 3/8" on gassers. Not sure how you'll pull that off now, but at the very least you need to get everything centered. Time to get out the Dremel!
love the boat but how are you attaching the verticals to the deck?
Dang Gary, I don't remember in which video I detailed that, but it's in my library of videos somewhere. Briefly, I install a vertical piece of .030 or .040" G10 to the floor and stringers and up through the deck about 3/4". The uprights are open on the bottom and fit down over these G-10 pieces. I drill through the uprights and the G-10 and use two nylon 6-32 screws to attach each upright, passing through the fiberglass upright and threading into the G-10. In a blowover the nylon screws will shear instead of breaking the uprights or the G-10 mounts. Slick!
I know I'm a year late in commenting, I love the boat, but it kind of makes me want to make a 1993 U6 with Mike Hansen behind the wheel. Loved the Tony the Tiger boat!
It's never too late... Build the boat!
Ok, my first, only great desaster, but with this Channel & a Kit , only wow!!! 1. THE wreight-lost is amazing & , it works so well & is sooo fast - Great Great thx!!
Thanks, and now show us some video! No video means it didn't happen!!
@@M5PerfHydros Good point! But: i madeavideo from my 1 . Wrack ! 😉👍🏼 and video from my 2 one! 🇦🇹✌🏼
@@M5PerfHydros noo,noo ! Sorry , ja First huuughe fail : TP Buy from Horizon the UL19 !!! , Looks Amazing, but.... They did the cooling wrong ! & 120A , is nothing, i have zeigt a 400A System, but it is what it is & its like a Stone in Space ! Lost! 500€ for this b# s# , but i will never lose so hard ! I HAVE TO FILM IT NOW !!! ✌🏼🇦🇹😉
Was video ever posted?? I would love to see it.
Yup ruclips.net/video/3-3NSj3tg8w/видео.html
Dought you read these comments, but I am getting my ass kicked on trying to find a hydroplanes sponson pattern, I am wanting to make my saltwater little fishing skiff with the sponson look which I am making them about 4-5 feet long about 36” wide, actually I’m extending after sponson all way out the back with flat squared off 2’ step for extra flotation. Total of 11’. I don’t know where to look I just need a drawn pattern of curves angles from front to about 1/4 way down making shell and filling with liquid floatation foam mix, then glassing it somewhere there has to be a drawn pattern I can enlarge thanks
Youbetcha! Very detailed plans are available from Newton Marine - www.newtonmarine.com/plans.php
Thoroughly enjoyed this series Scott, beautiful result.
Thanks!
Beautiful Boat Scott.
Thank you!
Awesome boat Scott as always, perfectly built, it's a beauty.
Thanks Andy, I appreciate that
Awesome video. Great build.
Thanks Ben!
Congats on a great build,looks Amazing, thanks for taking us through the build.
Thanks Auzzie!
Brother she looks awesome 👍 can't wait to she ger on the water ,
The video was poor quality and not RUclips-worthy, but you can see it on my Facebook page here; m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1860076217462734&id=237635276373511¬if_t=page_post_reaction¬if_id=1592008558325781&ref=m_notif
I am not a gasser but that one make me want one!That thing is sweet,and you know your stuff on setup.Love the boat and hope it brings you some wins👍
Thanks James! I wasn't a gasser either until I built this boat, so there's hope for you yet!
If Bill doesn't have he will tell you who has it ! Great guy !good stuff!
Bingo!
I know a couple of ways you can shave another few grams, both motor plates front and back could have some holes and chanfers drilled into them, I don't think it will affect the strength of them in a significant way.
Also there is very last part of your exhaust could be aluminum instead of copper so that would save a few grams as well.
That being said, you've done a damn good job and I really look into seeing that thing run!
Ah... Don't think I hadn't thought of those things! First, the motor mounts seem to be some super low grade aluminum, no doubt to allow the bends without breaking, and I felt they were already so weak that any lightening might weaken them too much.
Similar result for the exhaust, though I'm still considering it. An aluminum tube of similar strength requires a much thicker wall and I found the brass was actually lighter. Perhaps I can get away with a thin wall aluminum tube, and I may yet try it!
very nice!!!!
I do the carbon rods like that and make good braces and are stronger than you think!I have broken them but by letting the grandkids in the shop without watching😀4yr old boys test the strength🥺
So far so good... They're light and look cool, and that's all that really matters!
Another great video. Looks amazing.
Beautiful boat and assembly. I want see more about gasser's. And what fuel tank you use and how you mount?
Coming up in a video...
Hey just a quick question regarding the floor mounts for the engine. How did you mount the actual mounts to the floor of the boat?
Huh. Seems I forgot to show that part, eh? I cut a taper in the hole and use flat head aluminum screws from below, so that the heads are flush with the bottom.
Wow, amazing build mate, I hope it lasts long so you don't have to build another
Ha ha! Me too!
@@M5PerfHydros hey mate, can you tell me if I were to leave the wood decks on the boat raw (No paint) should I seal the boat using the epoxy method that you use and also do you have any plans for the eliminator
Sigh....so depressing being a bad boat builder. Nice work Scott.
Oh man don't ever say that... I know you can do this. Get after it!!
I was wondering what type of fuel proof coatings u use on the gas boats?
I seal the wood using thinned West Systems epoxy before painting, and use regular automotive clear coat inside and out. No special coatings needed!
Sand out the fish eyes and buff it out
About time
Hey, gimme a break!
whats next?
The Gasser 2.0!
cant wait thank you for sharing your knowledge
Hey which strut are you using? Im looking for the exact same thing but i cant seem to find any locally! Thanks a bunch!
Well here's the deal... I threw away the package so I don't know the part number, sorry! I purchased it from Bill at Rattlesnake RC and he probably knows the number off the top of his head. Hit him up and I'm sure he can help.... he knows my stuff inside and out!
Hi Scott , wold your hydro work with a Lipos motor.
I'm sure it would. Bear in mind that though it is very light it's also very large, about 53" long, so I'm not sure if typical 1/8 scale electronics would work or not. Of course, a guy could always scale it down to 1/8 and have an electric bullet!
Hi Scott, I'm totally new boats in fact I'm just painting my first hydroplane 1.8 th scale and it's all down to watching you. I purchased a 5.2cc nitro marine motor and I need your help in deciding what size propellor to fit with a prop shaft diameter of 4mm, if you wouldn't mind helping me, thanks.
Hi Andy,
I think I have bad news for you... An 8th scale hydro would typically use an 11cc motor, so that little 5.2 will likely not move the boat well at all. I have no idea what prop to try, but it will have to be very small.
@@M5PerfHydros thanks for your input
Scott, well It looks like I'm spending again 😒
Welcome to model boating!
Great videos!! What woods do you use to build boats?
Finnish ply from Balsa USA. I use 1/8" and 1.5mm for most of the construction, and 1mm and 1.5mm for the top deck and bottom skins. shop.balsausa.com/default.asp
@@M5PerfHydros Hi Scott! Thank you for your answer. I am a fan of H1 Unlimited, even here in Europe, and I bought a plan to build a replica of an H1.
That's awesome! I'm guessing you must have found the plans from David Newton at Newton Marine. Have you seen the wood kits from ML Boatworks? Mike's kits fit together perfectly like a puzzle, and dramatically shorten build time! My Eliminator was built with one of his kits and is featured on his website. Check him out here; mlboatworksrc.com/ Thanks for watching!
@@M5PerfHydros Thanks Scott!!
@@M5PerfHydros My plan was designed by Roger Newton, but after watching your construction videos I was in doubt what type of wood I should use to build.
Hi Scott, I ran across one of your pit tour videos, I been watching your videos for last couple of weeks. I really appreciate your love for the hobby. I’m a rc’r myself. I have built airplanes, helicopters, fiber glass power boats and sailboats throughout the years. Now I’m inspired from watching your videos. I think I’m ready to build a wood hull kit. I love nitro power and would like to build a hull around a .67 rossi. What would you recommend as first build?
Awesome! Let's build boats!
So are you thinking of a hydroplane or some other type of hull? If it's a hydroplane that you have in mind the Nova Rossi 67 is a great choice. Be extremely cautious during break-in though since they are super tight when they're new. I take mine apart and lap the piston to the bore with 800 grit lapping compound to greatly reduce the break-in time.
But I digress (as usual)....
If you're building your first hydro I'd suggest you build a 70's style boat, 1/8th scale, picklefork design with no wings. They are the easiest to build and best handling boats by far.
The best place I know of to buy wood kits is MLBoatworks;
mlboatworksrc.com/
Take a look at the MHR (Master Hull Roster) 8255 hulls. These have been the best all-around hulls I think.
Many good fiberglass boats and cowlings are also available from RC Boat Company;
rcboatcompany.com/
Between these two you should be able to find almost anything you'd want!
@@M5PerfHydros Thanks Scott, I will check it out, have fun.
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Damn! For a minute it looked like it was an electric power plant with the three wires out of the power plant.
Gaaaaa!
Another amazing build by my standards, but Jaxson seemed less than thrilled. You might consider dangling some snausages from the sponsors next time. 🤣
I'll try that!
Missed that autocorrect, but you got the idea.
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Hi Scott how do pay for your plans thanks John uk
Use PayPal please. Shipping to UK is $24.50
Hey Scott, Just check with local rc club, ( RACING ASSOCIATION OF MIAMI) lake is closed, but I found out about a non sanctioned lake that rc'r a running their boats. Club is mostly running gas, no race class for nitros. I will be looking for a gas hull. Any suggestions?
So many choices! Dunno if you're wanting to build wood or get a glass hull to get on the water quickly....
I've seen this glass hull run extremely well with no modifications; www.rcboatcompany.com/SG110H-GS.html
But if you want to build from wood I haven't seen any of the commercially available ones completed yet so I'm not sure which of those I'd recommend. My own design is very light and very fast, but I'm not selling it!
I know you have designed and built your gas boat based on your years of experience and it looks really cool. I been looking at pit videos but can't tell which is wood or glass. I do like to build, I need to learn how to walk before I can run before I go crazy and all out on a boat. Need to check out local club and see what type of hulls they are racing. Then I can make a decision. I'll check out Ml boatworks also.
What kind of paint do you use ?
Regular automotive paint, usually Deltron or Omni if I'm feeling cheap! EuroClear has been my clearcoat for a few years, but I'm thinking I'll try one of the aerosol clears on my next boat... Video when the time comes!
M5 Performance Hydroplanes - Scott Meyers Thanks I was thinking 2k clear should be resistant to gas.
Yes I've been told that it holds up excellent even with nitro
Ive been enjoying your videos for a while now. Been in modeling most of my life, but never boats (built several, just never put them in the water). Anyway, I was wondering why the boats seem to all be built out of wood, with a thin FG layup rather than full FG with a few strategically placed wood stringers? Is it a class rule? Is weight the issue? It just seems that it would be little extra work to use the first build as a plug, make a mold, and then pop out a new boat or part there of anytime you felt like it. Obviously, you're already doing that with the cowels.
Great question! I used to build fiberglass boats, but I find I can make them much lighter from thin ply. Also much easier to repair after the inevitable crash. Lastly, I never build two boats the same, so a mold and the ability to make a copy doesn't interest me!
@@M5PerfHydros Thanks for your reply. I suspected weight was the reason. If there were races in my area, I'd be seriously tempted to try with bagged CF. If, and until then, I'll live vicariously through your videos.
@@ronr6450 - Best way to start races in your area is to start races in your area.... Build it!
@@M5PerfHydros I may have too. Need to figure out where it's permitted. We have a few local bodies of water, but I've never seen RC powerboats on them. Haven't found any clubs listed here on the NAMBA site.
Where do you get the magnets? PLeeease...
Right here!
www.kjmagnetics.com/products.asp?cat=11
@@M5PerfHydros Thank you.
@@M5PerfHydros Did you drill yours out or did they come that way? Are they even drilled out? I'd like to try this on my boats.
They come that way. Search around in the website... All shapes and sizes, drilled and undrilled. I use the 1/2" x 1" x 1/8" rectangles with two mounting holes
@@M5PerfHydros I'll find them eventually. I didn't think you drilled them because that would make a mess.
Gas Rookie?!?
Yup... First race next weekend!
Hey there! Any chance you have an Instagram as well? Trying to get into the sport here in Washington.
Yes but very rarely use it. I do post a lot more stuff on Facebook however at M5 Performance Hydroplanes.
I've heard your name... Maybe Bill Brandt has mentioned you...