Hi everyone. I'm the cameraman for this program. Many of you were wondering why the car was being scrapped. It was MY understanding 2 identical Schnabel cars like this existed and both were built in 1980. Instead of investing $$ into rebuilding this car, it was decided to just scrap it once it was finished with THIS assignment. I was told they would keep the other one in service.....for now.
@@mkay1957 There are dozens around the world, but perhaps 30 in North America in various sizes. Reportedly, there were 2 built like the one filmed, but THIS one was scrapped.
All of those wheels it must be dens material, and I'm wondering if they pay a premium for having it transported by rail. Any thoughts? ~M.B.-----09/09/2024-----
@@ClintBlack-oq4vb I know the costs to transport dimensional shipments like this are pretty high, but i don't know how much exactly. In many cases these loads can only be transported by rail because of their size, weight, and/or territory to cover, so that causes shipment costs to be higher. But, I'm just the engineer. I don't have much knowledge of their billing and accounting haha
@@kensingtonchapp4819ya your an engineer, we're all engineers!!! Freeking gased up machine operators in this world. If I run a tray pack that hardly works to load your boxcars, and I have to work on the machine. Then❤😂🎉 I'm an engineer.
There was a very interesting clinic about this move at the NMRA convention in Long Beach earlier this month. To prepare for this they scanned the entire route with LIDAR a few days earlier, and temporarily moved obstructions that were too close. Also there was a bridge in south Orange County that had to be temporarily shored up. They moved the train partially onto the bridge, stopped it, and measured the deflection. If it was more than 0.75 inch, the move would have been cancelled and even more reinforcements added.
Prior to retiring, I worked for Combustion Engineering, Inc for 40 years (the nuclear division was later bought by ABB, BNFL, Toshiba, then Westinghouse Electric). We bought it for transporting heavy components we manufactured for new nuclear power plants and rented out the Schnable car for other heavy loads. Some winters it was used in Canada, when the rail bed was frozen to support excessive weight, to haul very heavy loads to mines in northern Canada. We had an engineer in Windsor, CT who was responsible for traveling the entire train route measuring clearances, curve radii, trestle strength, etc. to ensure the load could reach the destination. There are two caboose cabs mounted on the car for housing this engineer and other support staff.
Is it possible to move the load sideways ? ie to increase clearance and deal with center of gravity issues due to canting of track in curves ? The biggest one used in Sweden for transformer transports from Ludvika to the selected harbour allows that - though it is rather important not leaving the load in the wrong position... It has been a number of lost loads due to that (ie a 200 metric ton transformer upside down in the ditch...)
Just in case anybody wonders why this is called a "Schnabel" car: Schnabel means beak in German. The triangular structures carrying the container somewhat resemble a bird's beak, that's the reason it's called that way.
Cool video of this particular rail car! However, I think the real remarkable story here is a train that has 2 cabooses on it in 2024! Seriously miss seeing trains with them!
@@janjohnson9746 There's no reason to have any guards. They're just transporting a decommissioned part of a nuclear power station. There's no nuclear material on this train.
At 1st I thought that the cabooses would have security in them, but then realized no reason for them, empty reactor. The police on the roads and such were to keep down the chance of stupid people running across the tracks and if there would be some unfortunate incident.
That car should have gone to a railroad museum with a fake load simulated between the two sections. It would have been a great way to show the lengths railroads would go to handle loads and satisfy customers.
What museum anywhere could accommodate such a huge car? It completely dwarfs the "Queen Mary" on display at Altoona, or the original 8-axle "rail whales" that are on display (one was scrapped after Hurricane Ike).
It's sad to hear you say that after this cargo move that the schnabel car was going to be scraped out, how else are they going to move big over sized loads like this
@@chuckh.2227We operate in a global economy. Our competitive advantage isn't in raw iron anymore because we've advanced to doing other things with our resources(human and material). Basically, some industries are a waste of our time.
@karlkirkwood6213 the steel industry is not a waste of time Any country who's dependent on another country for their steel supply is in bad shape If the United States of America has to depend on foreign steel imported on a as needed basis then our military has no chance
Is not the Schnabel car unique? Why would it be scraped? Is there a car of greater capacity? Is this the last load of its magnitude ever to be transported?
Why scrap the car? it is not used much so should not be worn out. or is it because thee are no more loads that car was built for? if so i call poor planing. as build cars that can handle a variety of loads.
FRA regulations - railcars must be removed from interchange service after 40 years, though with re-building, they can be given an extension of 10 years. The car passed its 40th birthday in 2020 and there's not much of a way to re-build or re-condition such a unique car.
FRA regulations - railcars must be removed from interchange service after 40 years, though with re-building, they can be given an extension of 10 years. The car passed its 40th birthday in 2020 and there's not much of a way to re-build or re-condition such a unique car.
I wonder when they say nuclear power is so inexpensive, do they factor in the tremendous costs associated with disposal and decommissioning of the waste and old infrastructures!? Probably not!!!
Yes, everything is factored in. These companies employ lots of accountants and financial analysts. Nuclear has a high cost nominally, but over the lifespan of the plant, which creates incredible amounts of steady baseload power, the cost per kWh averages out and it's on-par or better than any other option.
1:25 / 2:15 "NO HUMPING" Nuclear material! 9:17 Dudes just chilling getting a tan, only its not from the sun's radiation lol (yes cupcakes, I know the cargo is barely putting out any ambient)
FRA regulations - railcars must be removed from interchange service after 40 years, though with re-building, they can be given an extension of 10 years. The car passed its 40th birthday in 2020 and there's not much of a way to re-build or re-condition such a unique car.
our tax money at work. should just keep the “stuff” at the nuke plant. as soon it will be destroyed by the state. as cal wants to power everything with solar.
You don't know anything about nuclear regulations or radiation contamination, do you, or that Southern California Edison, a PRIVATE utility, has to pay for all this?
Actually, Gavin and the state legislature have changed their tune on nuclear. They realized how important San Onofre was, so they decided to keep Diablo Canyon operational for several more years. There's actually too much solar right now because there aren't a lot of great ways, in current operation, to store the energy for when you actually need to use it. Lot's of creative "battery" options out there like pumping water up to a reservoir and releasing it down through a turbine during peak demand, for example. Building stuff like that takes time and money.
@@karlkirkwood6213 San Onofre HAD to be decommissioned because of damaged steam tubes. They'd only been replaced 2010-2011 and 3,000 of them were found to be rapidly and prematurely wearing and breaking down little more than a year later. The NRC deemed the plant too unsafe to continue operating so it was shut down. Decommissioning takes years because of the nature of the plants.
Great Video!
Hi everyone. I'm the cameraman for this program. Many of you were wondering why the car was being scrapped. It was MY understanding 2 identical Schnabel cars like this existed and both were built in 1980. Instead of investing $$ into rebuilding this car, it was decided to just scrap it once it was finished with THIS assignment. I was told they would keep the other one in service.....for now.
@markjohnson4924 I heard that also. As I remembered it was scrapped on the spot. Since cars have a 50 year life span per FRA regulations
How many Schnabel cars are there? Just the two?
@@mkay1957 There are dozens around the world, but perhaps 30 in North America in various sizes. Reportedly, there were 2 built like the one filmed, but THIS one was scrapped.
I was almost the locomotive engineer on this train but I wasn't FRA rested in time from my last shift to take the call.
All of those wheels it must be dens material, and I'm wondering if they pay a premium for having it transported by rail.
Any thoughts?
~M.B.-----09/09/2024-----
@@ClintBlack-oq4vb I know the costs to transport dimensional shipments like this are pretty high, but i don't know how much exactly. In many cases these loads can only be transported by rail because of their size, weight, and/or territory to cover, so that causes shipment costs to be higher. But, I'm just the engineer. I don't have much knowledge of their billing and accounting haha
@@kensingtonchapp4819ya your an engineer, we're all engineers!!!
Freeking gased up machine operators in this world.
If I run a tray pack that hardly works to load your boxcars, and I have to work on the machine. Then❤😂🎉 I'm an engineer.
@@FirstnameLastname-tp4zw Um......lol.
@@FirstnameLastname-tp4zw um.....lol
There was a very interesting clinic about this move at the NMRA convention in Long Beach earlier this month. To prepare for this they scanned the entire route with LIDAR a few days earlier, and temporarily moved obstructions that were too close. Also there was a bridge in south Orange County that had to be temporarily shored up. They moved the train partially onto the bridge, stopped it, and measured the deflection. If it was more than 0.75 inch, the move would have been cancelled and even more reinforcements added.
Prior to retiring, I worked for Combustion Engineering, Inc for 40 years (the nuclear division was later bought by ABB, BNFL, Toshiba, then Westinghouse Electric). We bought it for transporting heavy components we manufactured for new nuclear power plants and rented out the Schnable car for other heavy loads. Some winters it was used in Canada, when the rail bed was frozen to support excessive weight, to haul very heavy loads to mines in northern Canada. We had an engineer in Windsor, CT who was responsible for traveling the entire train route measuring clearances, curve radii, trestle strength, etc. to ensure the load could reach the destination. There are two caboose cabs mounted on the car for housing this engineer and other support staff.
Is it possible to move the load sideways ? ie to increase clearance and deal with center of gravity issues due to canting of track in curves ?
The biggest one used in Sweden for transformer transports from Ludvika to the selected harbour allows that - though it is rather important not leaving the load in the wrong position... It has been a number of lost loads due to that (ie a 200 metric ton transformer upside down in the ditch...)
@@TheStefanskoglund1 yes this does that according to the narrator . it can shift the load sideways
Just in case anybody wonders why this is called a "Schnabel" car: Schnabel means beak in German. The triangular structures carrying the container somewhat resemble a bird's beak, that's the reason it's called that way.
Cool video of this particular rail car! However, I think the real remarkable story here is a train that has 2 cabooses on it in 2024!
Seriously miss seeing trains with them!
Lots of people involved in the move
There will be heavily armed guards in the cabooses. Same as with hot fuel shipments.
@@janjohnson9746 There's no reason to have any guards. They're just transporting a decommissioned part of a nuclear power station. There's no nuclear material on this train.
At 1st I thought that the cabooses would have security in them, but then realized no reason for them, empty reactor. The police on the roads and such were to keep down the chance of stupid people running across the tracks and if there would be some unfortunate incident.
@@MsGorteck It's not a reactor vessel: reactor vessels are much larger. It's just some part of the power plant.
Great video and amazing camera work
👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
I remember seeing them pick this up at Pendleton
i can’t believe they are scrapping that car
That car should have gone to a railroad museum with a fake load simulated between the two sections. It would have been a great way to show the lengths railroads would go to handle loads and satisfy customers.
So THIS is why those two Burlington units had a green glow to them when they passed through town last week ! 😮
This car should go to a rail road museum somewhere
What museum anywhere could accommodate such a huge car? It completely dwarfs the "Queen Mary" on display at Altoona, or the original 8-axle "rail whales" that are on display (one was scrapped after Hurricane Ike).
That schnabel car looks brand new!
It's sad to hear you say that after this cargo move that the schnabel car was going to be scraped out, how else are they going to move big over sized loads like this
This isn't the only one in existence.
Must have reached it's life limits?
@etrainsvideos7439 but there's already not enough of them.
Early 1960s Plymouth Valiant convertible passes at 3:29.
I would love to know how those cars actually operate.
Trains are awesome. EACH axle was carring 20 tons. A truck axle tops out at 20,000 lbs.
Wrong. But nice try. I run heavy haul. Try 23k lbs or better…
Nice video sir. I'm kinda amazed no armed folks on and around the train.
They're in the cabooses and accompanying vans.
There's no nuclear material on the train: it's just a decomissioned part of a nuclear power station.
They are there, but not in plain sight
@@bradkenady8490 No, they're not there at all because there's no nuclear material on this train. It's just a piece of power station.
Do the people on the train have to be lookin all the time. Its as if theyre waitin for somethin to happen.
"Schnabel Car" I wonder what country that might be from. . . . ?
I remember doing similar things in Germany in the military. There's a whole lot of hidden firepower on that train and a whole lot following it.
What a shame to scrap such a highly specialized train car
Hopefully, they don't sell the iron to China
Yeah iron probably came from China shipped to Germany where the car was made it’s all about the money
@johnsobolewskijr.-tp8sr yes, and we( as a country) need to try to keep the money in this country
@@chuckh.2227We operate in a global economy. Our competitive advantage isn't in raw iron anymore because we've advanced to doing other things with our resources(human and material). Basically, some industries are a waste of our time.
@karlkirkwood6213 the steel industry is not a waste of time
Any country who's dependent on another country for their steel supply is in bad shape
If the United States of America has to depend on foreign steel imported on a as needed basis then our military has no chance
I want to see the rig in Vegas that's going to haul it overland.
its a shame they would scrape such a rare car
Awesome video! 😃👍❤️🚂💨💨💨💨💨🚙
Is not the Schnabel car unique? Why would it be scraped? Is there a car of greater capacity? Is this the last load of its magnitude ever to be transported?
See other comments, there is another like it. FRA regulations involved.
Makes me wonder why? 😮
Great Caboose
Why scrap the car? it is not used much so should not be worn out.
or is it because thee are no more loads that car was built for?
if so i call poor planing. as build cars that can handle a variety of loads.
FRA regulations - railcars must be removed from interchange service after 40 years, though with re-building, they can be given an extension of 10 years. The car passed its 40th birthday in 2020 and there's not much of a way to re-build or re-condition such a unique car.
that car should be sent to a museum not scapped
I don't believe there are any rail museums in the country that could hold such a huge car.
Sad thing is that rail car probably was only used less than ten times an is still in mint condition I agree it should go to a museum not scrapped
Why are they scrapping it ?
FRA regulations - railcars must be removed from interchange service after 40 years, though with re-building, they can be given an extension of 10 years. The car passed its 40th birthday in 2020 and there's not much of a way to re-build or re-condition such a unique car.
Counting the axles on the Schnabel car at 25 tons each, I get 9000 tons.
Says in the video 36 axles, each carrying approximately 20 tons.
I'm sitting in Clive facility now waiting to unload
I wonder when they say nuclear power is so inexpensive, do they factor in the tremendous costs associated with disposal and decommissioning of the waste and old infrastructures!? Probably not!!!
Yes, everything is factored in. These companies employ lots of accountants and financial analysts. Nuclear has a high cost nominally, but over the lifespan of the plant, which creates incredible amounts of steady baseload power, the cost per kWh averages out and it's on-par or better than any other option.
1:25 / 2:15 "NO HUMPING" Nuclear material!
9:17 Dudes just chilling getting a tan, only its not from the sun's radiation lol (yes cupcakes, I know the cargo is barely putting out any ambient)
Why scrap well made machinery? Disposable mentality.
FRA regulations - railcars must be removed from interchange service after 40 years, though with re-building, they can be given an extension of 10 years. The car passed its 40th birthday in 2020 and there's not much of a way to re-build or re-condition such a unique car.
Safety mentality. You don't want railcars falling apart from hidden metal fatigue while hauling 200tons of dangerous stuff.
@@karlkirkwood6213 Chinese monkey metal far less quality today.
@@whiteknightcatThe regulations should be changed to miles traveled, not time elapsed. It's as good as new.
our tax money at work.
should just keep the “stuff” at the nuke plant. as soon it will be destroyed by the state. as cal wants to power everything with solar.
You don't know anything about nuclear regulations or radiation contamination, do you, or that Southern California Edison, a PRIVATE utility, has to pay for all this?
Actually, Gavin and the state legislature have changed their tune on nuclear. They realized how important San Onofre was, so they decided to keep Diablo Canyon operational for several more years. There's actually too much solar right now because there aren't a lot of great ways, in current operation, to store the energy for when you actually need to use it. Lot's of creative "battery" options out there like pumping water up to a reservoir and releasing it down through a turbine during peak demand, for example. Building stuff like that takes time and money.
@@karlkirkwood6213 San Onofre HAD to be decommissioned because of damaged steam tubes. They'd only been replaced 2010-2011 and 3,000 of them were found to be rapidly and prematurely wearing and breaking down little more than a year later. The NRC deemed the plant too unsafe to continue operating so it was shut down. Decommissioning takes years because of the nature of the plants.
Like. Who cares.
Electricity doesn't just come out of the wall.
Going at that speed must have made a very long day for the engine crew.🥱🥱😴😴