Interesting,from the outset the play was supposed to run until 29 sept with two perfomences in one night at 5pm and 9pm( double event). Late that very night and into the early hours of the following day liz stride and catherine eddowes were murdered.liz was murdered at about 1245-100am catherine between 130- 145 am 30th sept.( double event)
@@avondalemama470 yeah it does,probably more a coincidence but who knows,i know double event is connected to horse racing and in the music buisness in that era, two performaces in one evening ,'a double event'.and of course in the saucy jack postcard ' double event this time' the writer says ,which the central news received on 1st oct.
When you mentioned Lyceum theather . A Bell started to ring in my head . Then when Henry Irving was mentioned . I remembered Mister Bram Stoker . The creator of Dracula . Yes Stoker was Irvings manager . So of course Stoker was in London . When Jack the ripper was active . Stoker is one of my favorite authors . I read Dracula 4 times so far . A good novel always deserve to be read again .
I had heard and discovered, in my own interest into the Ripper case, about the connection to the J&H play but hadn't realised how much of an impact the play had on the way the Ripper case had been seen by so many, seriously interesting and fascinating stuff, thank you Richard for enlightening us all. Keep up the great work.
From penny dreadfuls to video games, there will always be vilification of certain types of media by those looking for something to blame. Slightly off-topic, but I really enjoyed the transformation sequence of Jekyll to Hyde in the 1931 film. They used the "special effect" of removing filters one at a time to do it in one continuous shot. So well done for the time!
Hiya Richard, Interesting story this one, it reminds me of a lad I used to go to school with, you didn't know what he would say next, one minute he was the nicest lad in the world next minute he was a little sod, so he got the nickname Jekyll and Hyde, this is Paul in Whitehaven, Cumbria, England
Jack the Ripper probably was Dr Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. I suspect that he was a man who came across and being inoffensive, who occasionally went out at night, and committed horrific acts.
That’s a likely scenario. Whoever Jack the Ripper was he was probably someone who blended into a crowd, someone you wouldn’t have noticed without a second glance. After all there is a saying out there: it is the meek and mild you have to wary about. Whoever Jack was, why he committed the terrible acts he did, what sparked that desire…we have no clue.
It's very likely. We now had a good knowledge of Serial Killers like Ted Bundy or John Wayne Gacey, where seemly decent looking people are masking their monster side. But, such modern Psychological idea is quite foreign to most people at that time that the very idea that people have a base animal consciousness is quite unbelievable.
I saw a film celebrating 100 years since the Ripper Murders( a dramatisation released in 1988), with Michael Caine playing the detective in charge. It covered the Jekyll and Hyde play at the Lyceum and Richard Mansfield himself who was a suspect at the time,, worth a watch. I love this presentation and thanks for sharing...........
Oh, this was worth the wait (since we didn't get one last week)! How interesting and coincidental that the Jekyll & Hyde play began just before the murders started. Never considered that the murders might have inspired our Jack to begin his spree. Thank you for another great story, Richard! 👏
I've always been fascinated by the Richard Mansfield, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde theory in the Whitechapel murders lore. If only the murders had begun about a year earlier, it could have been Sir Despard Murgatroyd from Ruddigore, at the Savoy Theatre, that was creating all the buzz.
Thorough research and entertaining as always Mr. Jones. Thank you! I’m a bit curious if The Toronto Daily Mail’s claim that “Such series of murders has not been known in London for a hundred years” carries any historical significance or if it just was a figure of speech? If it’s accurate which prior series of murders could the TDM be referring to? I also note the TDM is just one step away from calling the murders “serial killings”. I’m also a bit surprised that The Standard on October 4th presented a fairly impressive profile on JTR, suggesting that he was of “respectable exterior, calm and composed manner, dressed in dark clothes, wearing probably dark gloves […] and continuing “He is probably a lonely, brooding monomaniac […] occupying very likely a house by himself”. Later it says “The murderer lives two lives, and is saved from detection by the extreme respectability of his everyday life, and by the fact that he has no accomplices or confidants” That is actually not a bad analysis, completely contradicting the general idea of a crazy looking madman. Fact is that it beats Dr. Edward C Spitzka’s opinion by far. Admittedly The Standard was spinning on the upper class killer theory, and was obviously influenced by Jekyll and Hyde, but they still made some very good points. It’s certainly not unreasonable to believe the killer wore dark clothes and gloves to conceal the bloodstains, and it’s not unlikely that he lived alone with nobody registering his comings and goings. It’s likely he was respectable in his everyday life and therefore avoided detection. Lastly, do you think the letter to The City of London Police may have been from JTR, taunting the police with a ruse? It would have been very interesting to see all of the letters, to determine if there was a pattern in some of them, reoccurring phrases and syntax, applying linguistic forensics. It’s, if not likely, at least very possible that JTR did communicate with the police, and possibly with newspapers and news agencies as well. As you know, many serial killers have been known to taunt the police, and using bad grammar and misspellings to throw the police off track (or because they couldn’t spell due to limited education or because they were immigrants).
I like the reviewer who drags on the tastes of the theatregoers. "Appalling. You barbarians will love it." That's the review that would have convinced ME to see it.
The cold, calculating evil genius of a Lechmere stands on one side of possibilities, while the dual personalities of a Maybrick stand on the other. There are certain turns of phrases in the alleged Maybrick "Ripper diary" that read very like two of the Ripper letters . . .
I don’t get why lechmere is even a suspect from what I’ve watched he was first on the scene of one murder Every murder must have had a first person to find them yet they weren’t suspects Just nothing to prove him being anything but a person on their way to or from work Someone focused on it but that person wasn’t around when it happened obviously so it’s no more than a guess like every other suspect
I would have bet the people would have loved J & H! I seriously doubt it influenced JTR. He had those thoughts brewing in his head long before it. Rich, hearing you mention Bram Stoker made me want to hear you narrate ‘Dracula’.
I’ve often wondered if Jekyll and Hyde - the novel and play - could’ve inspired copycat extreme fans (a La movie obsessed serial killers and mass shooters like the Aurora Batman shooter, inspired by the Joker); Bovril had already been birthed by the proto Sci-fi fantasy novel “The Coming of the New Race” and its “force like” Vril power. So, I do wonder.
Victorian history just keeps giving even now .
Mansfield’s transformation in the 1988 miniseries is so creepy.
I watch it every Halloween
If I had a time machine I would love to see this performance.
Great story(as usual) The detailed survey of period newspapers is brilliant! Well done!
Interesting,from the outset the play was supposed to run until 29 sept with two perfomences in one night at 5pm and 9pm( double event). Late that very night and into the early hours of the following day liz stride and catherine eddowes were murdered.liz was murdered at about 1245-100am catherine between 130- 145 am 30th sept.( double event)
Hhmmm, it really makes one wonder, doesn’t it. 😮😮😮
@@avondalemama470 yeah it does,probably more a coincidence but who knows,i know double event is connected to horse racing and in the music buisness in that era, two performaces in one evening ,'a double event'.and of course in the saucy jack postcard ' double event this time' the writer says ,which the central news received on 1st oct.
Fascinating information with Mr. Jones' unusually superior narration. 10/10
I would love to have see that performance back in the day.
When you mentioned Lyceum theather . A Bell started to ring in my head . Then when Henry Irving was mentioned . I remembered Mister Bram Stoker . The creator of Dracula . Yes Stoker was Irvings manager . So of course Stoker was in London . When Jack the ripper was active . Stoker is one of my favorite authors . I read Dracula 4 times so far . A good novel always deserve to be read again .
I had heard and discovered, in my own interest into the Ripper case, about the connection to the J&H play but hadn't realised how much of an impact the play had on the way the Ripper case had been seen by so many, seriously interesting and fascinating stuff, thank you Richard for enlightening us all. Keep up the great work.
From penny dreadfuls to video games, there will always be vilification of certain types of media by those looking for something to blame. Slightly off-topic, but I really enjoyed the transformation sequence of Jekyll to Hyde in the 1931 film. They used the "special effect" of removing filters one at a time to do it in one continuous shot. So well done for the time!
it's so fascinating to see the beginning of criminology and psychology with awesome gothic literature.
Most interesting. Thank you for posting
Hiya Richard, Interesting story this one, it reminds me of a lad I used to go to school with, you didn't know what he would say next, one minute he was the nicest lad in the world next minute he was a little sod, so he got the nickname Jekyll and Hyde, this is Paul in Whitehaven, Cumbria, England
Thank you for this good video. And a very pleasant voice!!
Jack the Ripper probably was Dr Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. I suspect that he was a man who came across and being inoffensive, who occasionally went out at night, and committed horrific acts.
That’s a likely scenario. Whoever Jack the Ripper was he was probably someone who blended into a crowd, someone you wouldn’t have noticed without a second glance. After all there is a saying out there: it is the meek and mild you have to wary about. Whoever Jack was, why he committed the terrible acts he did, what sparked that desire…we have no clue.
It's very likely. We now had a good knowledge of Serial Killers like Ted Bundy or John Wayne Gacey, where seemly decent looking people are masking their monster side. But, such modern Psychological idea is quite foreign to most people at that time that the very idea that people have a base animal consciousness is quite unbelievable.
I saw a film celebrating 100 years since the Ripper Murders( a dramatisation released in 1988), with Michael Caine playing the detective in charge.
It covered the Jekyll and Hyde play at the Lyceum and Richard Mansfield himself who was a suspect at the time,, worth a watch.
I love this presentation and thanks for sharing...........
Oh, this was worth the wait (since we didn't get one last week)! How interesting and coincidental that the Jekyll & Hyde play began just before the murders started. Never considered that the murders might have inspired our Jack to begin his spree. Thank you for another great story, Richard! 👏
“Lay down the cursor”. ❤❤❤
I've always been fascinated by the Richard Mansfield, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde theory in the Whitechapel murders lore. If only the murders had begun about a year earlier, it could have been Sir Despard Murgatroyd from Ruddigore, at the Savoy Theatre, that was creating all the buzz.
Brilliant 👍🏻
Fascinating. At least they were able to keep the show as it was without changing a thing
Wonderful.
Absolutely fascinating stuff! Much food for thought! :)
Lovely narration👍
Very good. Thank you.
Excellent Richard, will watch tonight 👍
Thorough research and entertaining as always Mr. Jones. Thank you!
I’m a bit curious if The Toronto Daily Mail’s claim that “Such series of murders has not been known in London for a hundred years” carries any historical significance or if it just was a figure of speech?
If it’s accurate which prior series of murders could the TDM be referring to?
I also note the TDM is just one step away from calling the murders “serial killings”.
I’m also a bit surprised that The Standard on October 4th presented a fairly impressive profile on JTR, suggesting that he was of “respectable exterior, calm and composed manner, dressed in dark clothes, wearing probably dark gloves […] and continuing “He is probably a lonely, brooding monomaniac […] occupying very likely a house by himself”. Later it says “The murderer lives two lives, and is saved from detection by the extreme respectability of his everyday life, and by the fact that he has no accomplices or confidants” That is actually not a bad analysis, completely contradicting the general idea of a crazy looking madman. Fact is that it beats Dr. Edward C Spitzka’s opinion by far. Admittedly The Standard was spinning on the upper class killer theory, and was obviously influenced by Jekyll and Hyde, but they still made some very good points. It’s certainly not unreasonable to believe the killer wore dark clothes and gloves to conceal the bloodstains, and it’s not unlikely that he lived alone with nobody registering his comings and goings. It’s likely he was respectable in his everyday life and therefore avoided detection.
Lastly, do you think the letter to The City of London Police may have been from JTR, taunting the police with a ruse?
It would have been very interesting to see all of the letters, to determine if there was a pattern in some of them, reoccurring phrases and syntax, applying linguistic forensics.
It’s, if not likely, at least very possible that JTR did communicate with the police, and possibly with newspapers and news agencies as well. As you know, many serial killers have been known to taunt the police, and using bad grammar and misspellings to throw the police off track (or because they couldn’t spell due to limited education or because they were immigrants).
Brilliant video, Richard. I will call you soon as I have something to discuss with you
I like the reviewer who drags on the tastes of the theatregoers. "Appalling. You barbarians will love it." That's the review that would have convinced ME to see it.
Enjoyable 🎉🎉
Is rather interesting that the play was taken place at time.
The cold, calculating evil genius of a Lechmere stands on one side of possibilities, while the dual personalities of a Maybrick stand on the other. There are certain turns of phrases in the alleged Maybrick "Ripper diary" that read very like two of the Ripper letters . . .
I don’t get why lechmere is even a suspect from what I’ve watched he was first on the scene of one murder Every murder must have had a first person to find them yet they weren’t suspects Just nothing to prove him being anything but a person on their way to or from work Someone focused on it but that person wasn’t around when it happened obviously so it’s no more than a guess like every other suspect
Thankyou 🖤 🇬🇧
Excellent!
I would have bet the people would have loved J & H! I seriously doubt it influenced JTR. He had those thoughts brewing in his head long before it.
Rich, hearing you mention Bram Stoker made me want to hear you narrate ‘Dracula’.
I’ve often wondered if Jekyll and Hyde - the novel and play - could’ve inspired copycat extreme fans (a La movie obsessed serial killers and mass shooters like the Aurora Batman shooter, inspired by the Joker); Bovril had already been birthed by the proto Sci-fi fantasy novel “The Coming of the New Race” and its “force like” Vril power. So, I do wonder.
But RLS would have known about the more horrific Thames Torsos 10 years earlier the horrid CBooth got to London 1871.
Does anyone know if any of the actors in this play were looked at for (being) the Jack the Ripper suspect?
👍as Usual 😉👋
I doubt very much Aaron Kosminski was influenced by Jekyll and Hyde, when he committed those murders
99% Jekyll 1%hyde =jtr
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Maybe Real Jack saw the play, and then got the Idea.