I threw my ticket out the window. I threw my suitcase out there too. I threw my troubles out the door. I don’t need them anymore. Tonight, I’ll be listening to Bob.
I’m 38, at 19 I really discovered bob dylan, I knew his classics and enjoyed them but I bought Time Out Of Mind on a whim during my very first break up and it was truly lyrical poetry to absolutely everything I was feeling, and long story short I had the extreme privilege of discovering Bob Dylan’s work going back in time and Blonde on Blonde, John Wesley Harding, and of course Blood on The Tracks saved me, I know that’s painfully dramatic And even worse, a cliche but it did, and I’m not ashamed to admit it, his lyrics still to this day challenge me and inspire me and at there best give me a reason to believe in a dream, even if it’s unreachable, I will forever love Bob Dylan and hope he is as relevant tomorrow as he’s always been since the 60’s, yes even with his 1980’s catalog too 😆😉
Bob also helped me with a lost love, ah man the one line that still resonates with me is" if she would've caught me in my prime she would've stayed with me"
some snarky "who cares' replies her trouble me from bogus lifelong Dylan fans --- "just go listen to his music..."- ???? no historical, musical or philosophical context -- No wonder so many folk think his songs are nonsense -- they never bothered to find out!!! Looks like you took a deep dive-== GREAT.. I love it - =not everyone wants to bother -- just wanna hum blowing in the wind on some windy day and that's fine == but they learned NOTHING about themselves, which is the entire point... JMHO Thanks!
For me, Dylan got The Gospel into the vernacular. He pointed to The Gospel at the same time as he seemed to flow from them, taking me back to my Catholic roots again. Thanks Bob, I was lost and found myself again.
I did not realize that anybody ever said Bob Dylan did not matter. He certainly matters to me. Grew into an adult with Bob Dylan (1960s) and he still speaks to myself and my generation. (I am 70)
Nobody that matters has said Bob Dylan doesn't matter. This is about why he matters, specifically in a more academic context relating his work to the classics.
Kristin Wagar The rolling stones song “sympathy for the devil” song artwork is a picture of a toilet with “bob Dylan’s dream” on the wall pointing towards to toilet ... so now I’m here
Bob is a multi-faceted artist and is an inspiration to all. He courageously set out as a teenager to seek his destiny. Therefore, his journey has inspired others to do the same. Kudos to Bob!💖
"Why wait any longer for the one you love, When he's standing.. I front of you." 11 or 12 year old music freak forming 1st time I heard that lyric. What a simple, clever line. The guitar sounds with the conga.. AM then FM radio. Lay Last Lay played between The Stones, Sinatra, Simon & Garfunkel and Led Zeppelin and 10cc. My record collection was Sgt Pepper's (parent's hand me down -worn out). 2 Elton John album's,(my 1st idol). 75% listened to KISS ALIVE 1 and 2. Days on end. That's it. 🎉
Who would have thought back in 1962-63 that Bob would win the Nobel Prize, be the subject of a course at Harvard and be compared to Homer. Well done, Bob.😉
I also want thank those who put together this evening about Dylan and posting it on line . I have always believed Bob will do his utmost to be an enigma to those trying to scrape the meaning of his beliefs and poetry into their own words . Bob can so simple and so complex from one verse to the next or one sentence to the next . These very learned men have given a deeper appreciation for Bob Dylan's genius to me . Personally I believe Bob has very deep roots , spiritually in his Jewish and Christian faiths . This was briefly mentioned in this post . Peter behind my Judy
Let me just say That I want to die at least an hour before BOB DYLAN, I CAN'T IMAGINE LIVING WITHOUT HIM. WE ARE THE SAME AGE AND HE BEGAN HIS CAREER WHEN WE YOUNG AT THE SAME TIME ..WE ARE SOULMATES.
Some people hate dylan because of his singing voice. One thing i think we can all agree on, no music performer from the 20th-21st century had his music written about, critiqued, dissected and discussed as much as Dylan
@J. Dallison sort of, to me more like they didn't let themselves past their opinion judgements to pay attention to the writer & guy who still at times shows up as one of the greatest white blues singers😎🙏💙🐀🍒😎
His singing style was deliberately created to subvert " singing delivery approved by critics and acclaimed experts" you can call his style as an intelectual progenitor for the modern freestyle rap music
@@646oleg I agree. Dylan was always a contrarian and wanted to go "against the grain" of whatever the establishment represented at any given time. If they wanted Johnny Mathis, Dylan said "F___ you." When a critic tried to get him to talk about "folk rock," Dylan told him: "I don't sing folk rock." Like Duke Ellington before him, Dylan hated "categories" and refused to get pigeonholed by pundits, profiteers, and market-minded mountebanks.
First you hear the words, the music, the phrasing- then you think, then you feel, then it captures you and your heart. Then you understand the man. His voice is the man and he's speaking to you ---from Bob Dylan's take on Life, and then you get it---- and he never leaves you.
The part of the New Basement Tapes was mis-characterized in that they were never put to music (by Dylan), but rather were lyrics that needed melodies. The ad hoc "band," the New Basement Tapes, Giddens, Costello, et al. provided the melodies. Dylan himself did something similar with a notebook of Hank Williams lyrics he had acquired, and lined up various musicians to put their own tunes to Hank's unfinished songs, one of which ('The Love that Faded') he did himself.
Thank you gentlemen. I was a little reticent to watch this ( as a lifelong fan of 50 odd years) but thoroughly enjoyed your discussion and illuminating some ghost-like themes for me. Apparently, he's a good welder too. Thank you again.
I really enjoyed this discussion about Bob Dylan. Thank you for all presenting this. Bob has brought me through so many hard times in my life with his words. He can put into just a few words what you are going through, where you have been, how you felt about it emotionally and so many other facets of your life. Something that would take you years or decades to explain how you felt or how you feel he can sum up in a few words. He is definitely a genius and the poet of our generation.
This Case Western discussion is most helpful! These people you host explain how Dylan lifts us all. The explanation of how he felt Tangled Up in Blue brought yesterday tomorrow and today in the same room. I need to read Richard’s book. Brilliant hosting.
Don't think about If he matters, because it is no question for me. Bob Dylan is a living legend like nobody else, a mysterious unknown person, nearly everybody heard one of his songs, know his name but this man is invisible,don't talk with the press, television don: t allows photographies, videos etc.He only want to communicate with his art- very true, and convincing.Thank you for the Insight View..
It may appear on the exterior that Bob Dylan was lucky to have become such an Icon. That isn't quite true in the least way. Bob Dylan is a special sort of musician with a broad-ranging love of other art forms that intersects where his incredible talents have found a birthing. He has interests in multiple musical types, including folk, R & B, Rock, etc., and variations of many of those. His mastery of words comes directly out of books he has read throughout his days and their lingering familiarity within him. It is the truth that accounts for his seemingly prophetic lyrics. Their context in his writing comes from his understanding of their place even in theatrical importance, as spoken lessons along the path of life are guided by knowledge of the truth, so shall Bob Dylan remain timeless oracle, imbued as such...
He was cautious not to give anything away... He knew that if he said the wrong thing the press would hang on to it and blow it all out of proportion and mischaracterize him... He did well... At that time he was 24 years old and our greatest surrealist poet.
Act 1 - Scene 1 - They're selling postcards for the hanging. Ac1 1 - Scene 2 - They're painting the passports brown. Act 2 - Scene 1 - The beauty parlor's filled with sailors. Act 2 - Scene 2 - The circus is in town.
goood one Martin- good subject for a thread. Not your favorite Dylan song, but What Is You favorte Dylan Lyric.. "Just to dance beneath the diamond sky with one hand waving free..." And the final stanza of A hard Rain's Gonna fall '(Whatll you do now my blue eyed -son....') ETC ETC ETC
FYI Dylan’s son, Jesse, handled establishing the archives in Tulsa, where Woody Guthrie’s archives are also held (Jesse is the wealthiest member of the family due to investments)
Yes, in the jingle jangle morning, I'll come following you. And I received your letter yesterday (about the time the doorknob broke) . . . I took my potatoes, down to be mashed . . . all along the countryside, he opened many a door. All "1960's classic Bob Dylan". Enough is enough, but what does it 'matter'? Brilliant songwriting . . . oui, it does matter!
At 60, I love "Tiny Mongomery." It's a brilliant song that I just dismissed so blithely when I was younger. The lyrics are whimsical and weird, defying literal interpretation.
I disagree with the assumption that with "all those who've sailed with me" is a reference to his fans. I think it's a reference to his fellow musicians.
Many of "his" songs were ripped off from lesser known musicians without attribution. When you've made millions off others it's always easy to throw them a bone in recognition decades later. Linda Ronstadt was another one who bought formerly used Sinatra charts from Nelson Riddle for an album where they were used note for note; she was also known for imitating the vocal Ranchera style of the great Mexican singer, Lola Beltran, without attribution, until just a few years ago, long after (Ronstadt) she couldn't sing a note due to medical illness. Both Ronstadt and Dylan have been lifelong liars and the worst kind of thieves.
I put down my robe, I picked up my diploma Took hold of my sweetheart and away we did drive Straight for the hills, the black hills of Dakota Sure was glad to get out of there alive
Dylan will be remembered as the Shakespeare of our time. People think only things of the past were somehow more relevant and hallowed than things of the present but “ the present now will latter be past for the times they are a changing”
Are u in Hibbing ... that's great . I would like to know if Dylan still has the house where he lived with his parents ?? Live someone there ?? On the other hand i would like if there is something in Hibbing that bears his name (a street , college or something so ) ?? And the last , played Dylan in Hibbing once ?? Very grateful if u answer me . Greetings from Swiss . kk
Nicolas Garcia Gonzalez The house has gone thru owners, but, yes, it’s on Bob Dylan Street. There is or was a Zimmy’s bar with plenty of stuff. But for me the main site in Hibbing is the huge high school with a Broadway-level theatre. It was on that stage that the teenage Dylan debut his rock and roll high school band, The Golden Chords.
@@blackcrow7049 His mother, Beatty,sold the house in the 70's. That owner, Angel Marolt, sold it to another family who lived there for decades. Last summer (August 2019) a Dylan collector, Bill Pagel, bought the house. Bill is working on restoring it to what it was like when Dylan was growing up there in the 1950's. The street the house is on was renamed Bob Dylan Drive. I don't believe Dylan has played publicly in Hibbing since he left high school in 1959. I am waiting for him to play here once more....keeping my fingers crossed. Sorry I did not see your question for a year. Greetings from Hibbing, MN, USA
@@lindawhiteside1264 what a surprise your answer !!! I have a lot of info about Bob , but it's always more interesting to have another first-hand opinion that doesn't come in books or interviews . I had no idea that Bill Pagel had bought Dylan Hibbing's house (I frequently visit Bill's website) and I'm glad that it belongs to a hug Dylan fan . Just thanks , I'm really appreciate your answer (and please write me if u know anything new) . You have a friend on the other side of the ocean . KK .🇨🇭🇪🇸🇺🇸🎵🎶
My family survived the Armenian Holocaust, two close calls in the Battle of the Bulge, three bouts with rheumatic fever, and my polio. They placed on the wall of one of the churches they built from nothing, "Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today and forever. Hebrews 13:8"
It's validating reading these comments, so many of them echo my sense of Dylan too. The one mystery for me is that in interviews (later ones obviously) he says Shot of Love is his best album. I can't puzzle that one out. Can someone shed some light on that one?
I began listening to Joan Baez and Bob Dylan in the late 60’s. For me to listen to him you must truly be in your heart. To me his stories (each song) transports from many dimensions and do carry a higher frequency. They have helped me bridge between my heart and my mind and I will be forever grateful. Thank you for reaching out to me James. I too love listening to you ❣️Donna
What they are doing is a compliment to Bob Dylan. They consider him a classical artist that will be remembered and survive like all great literature. It doesn't get any better for an artist. It may not matter to Bob Dylan, but I suspect it does in the long run.
bob dylan wrote words and combinations of words that this commentator this presenter speaker whatever... profoundly beautiful songs, incomprehensibly beautiful songs and his diligence his talent and intellect is paid tribute with this... absolutely absurd won’t watch video make a better title
He bored into the public consciousness and also everybody's personal consciousness. His lyrics are porous. They mean one thing to one person, another thing to another. His stories become our own stories. I don't think, technically, that's great writing. Not usually anyway. Any idiot can write something we don't understand. But Bob Dylan lives by different rules. We think we understand Bob Dylan, and we devise our own stories. Also Bob Dylan, unlike most writers, sings, and his singing means something too, adds to how we interpret his expressions. How we view our own stories based on his songs.
As long as I’m alive I saw him twice in concert both times in Vancouver but I discovered Bob on vinyl. Harmonica & motorcycles was my life that had a lot to do w/Dylan also having some Hebrew roots mix bag really/
Bob Dylan was a folk singer who was involved in the Civil Rights Movement, and was one of the first musicians who took an active role on moral issues. He united people through his music, and he created new poetic expressions within the American song tradition. 33:34 [Mr. Pop Culture]
Although Bob Dylan did not necessarily live the American Dream. He helped to ensure others that previously did not experience the American Dream. By doing this he lived his own verison of the American Dream by making part of his dream come true. By Bob Dylan caring he caused many young Americans to care too. 34:35 [Wagner College]
Before it was a dream of wealth, the American Dream was an ethos. The guiding belief that the nation should be founded on equality, justice, and democracy defined the phrase for generations up until the mid-20th century. Staying relatively consistent, the American Dream remained a political ideal up until the years leading up to World War II. 35:36 [TheCollector]
one of my favorite german authors A Doeblin, who wrote B Alexanderplatz had to selfpublish the first edition the verdict of current time is often fickle, my favorite example for this is, in the cinematique arena, Star Wars, by the critics dimissed as to be a certain flop ... go figure
Finally, got around to listening to this. Funny, no mention of Whitman, who figures prominently in Rough and Rowdy Ways. These guys are academics. I wouldn't call them Dylanologists. Just looking for the next book or paper to publish. When I was in college, my English professor's mantra was publish or perish. I handed him his "publish" on Norman Mailer. A little off topic.
@@thehockeyfan8888 These guys speak like they KNOW Bob Dylan. Sure, they're fans. Yes, they are knowledgeable but talking about him like they KNOW him...ick. Wait until Bob Dylan is dead and then act like this. He has never met them.
I didn’t think he mattered in 1965 when he stepped into my elevator . What does an 18 year old elevator operator know?🤷🏼♀️I should have gotten his autograph rather than deliberately not leveling my elevator causing him to trip. Funny to me at the time.
20 mins in and the title question hasn't even been attempted to have been answered. bob dylan was a guy who sat in the back of the car and didn't speak.....wow...what genius. Am i missing something? bob dylan referenced greek myth.......ok? he didn't invent intertextuality? ancient greek myth is one of the most well known artistic touchstones. hardly a unique reference point. this panel seems shot through with nostalgia 'man i grew up reading stuff he was influenced by, it was wild to me'. i would have found it more instructive to show how he changed music, how he was differrent, by actually playing his songs and then comparing it to other music that was coming out at the time. then dissecting what he was doing with the lyrics and song structure
Kristin Wagar The rolling stones song “sympathy for the devil” song artwork is a picture of a toilet with “bob Dylan’s dream” on the wall pointing towards to toilet ... so now I’m here
As anyone ever ready his lyrics with laughing? Who cares that he can't sing at all . His written words are some of the goofiest things ever put to paper.
My god! what a bunch of boring academics who seem more concerned with beating their own drums than with saying anything very illuminating about this signal, seminal figure. Don't misunderstand me, please! I'm all for academia, good academia! How's about bringing on those on a level with oh...uh...let's see...uh...BRUCE ADOLPHE, for example! addendum: The FIRST speaker in this forum was pretty interesting, the rest of the program was flop city! addendum#2: Time to "fess up", I guess. After watching the program a second time I feel somewhat abashed by what I wrote above because the program was not really "that" bad. It might, in fact, serve as a NOT-bad introduction for anyone coming new to Dylan. One really glaring fault of the program remains, however: the panel seems to want us to think that Dylan was just about perfect, when, in fact, he wrote MANY horribly inept lines mixed in with the great ones!
Is it fair to say that, without Dylan, there would be nobody working in the pop idiom who genuinely has attempted consciously to transcend the era and create something to add to the sum of Western thought on life and its existential meaning?
Jesus! This first guy is so frustrating. He speaks in fragments, like Dylan went to England and in '62 made a recording for BBC, then says "mad house on Castle Street". I don't know if that's the name of the song or what. He must be very shy, this first speaker, cuz he mutters and is incoherent!! I hope this is constructive criticism, cuz I can't keep up with him! Otherwise, it's great! Love Bob.
At approx. 8:00, when he fails to remember a Dylan lyric, he puts his cards on the table... another Johnny-come-lately "Dylanologist" pretending to be an authority on the Mighty Zimm. Witness also 55:00 where he doesn’t know what the woman is talking about (Lost on the River) because he is not even remotely steeped in Dylan lore. He seems to think Black Jack Davey originates with Guthrie. Plus, it’s Must Be Santa. Details do matter, or at least they should if you claim to be an authority, as any academic must by definition if he stands before an audience and takes questions . Shameful.
The artist here or writer doesn't really get Dylan, in fact, the other two seem to get him better. Would never buy his book. I stopped getting Dylan around 1978.His lyrics stopped being meaningful to me. I did buy his albums through the early 90s however given my profound respect for his earlier work, waiting to be moved again
I threw my ticket out the window. I threw my suitcase out there too. I threw my troubles out the door. I don’t need them anymore. Tonight, I’ll be listening to Bob.
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I’m 38, at 19 I really discovered bob dylan, I knew his classics and enjoyed them but I bought Time Out Of Mind on a whim during my very first break up and it was truly lyrical poetry to absolutely everything I was feeling, and long story short I had the extreme privilege of discovering Bob Dylan’s work going back in time and Blonde on Blonde, John Wesley Harding, and of course Blood on The Tracks saved me, I know that’s painfully dramatic And even worse, a cliche but it did, and I’m not ashamed to admit it, his lyrics still to this day challenge me and inspire me and at there best give me a reason to believe in a dream, even if it’s unreachable, I will forever love Bob Dylan and hope he is as relevant tomorrow as he’s always been since the 60’s, yes even with his 1980’s catalog too 😆😉
Bob also helped me with a lost love, ah man the one line that still resonates with me is" if she would've caught me in my prime she would've stayed with me"
some snarky "who cares' replies her trouble me from bogus lifelong Dylan fans --- "just go listen to his music..."- ???? no historical, musical or philosophical context -- No wonder so many folk think his songs are nonsense -- they never bothered to find out!!! Looks like you took a deep dive-== GREAT.. I love it - =not everyone wants to bother -- just wanna hum blowing in the wind on some windy day and that's fine == but they learned NOTHING about themselves, which is the entire point... JMHO Thanks!
Absolutely 💯 💯 true 👍
For me, Dylan got The Gospel into the vernacular. He pointed to The Gospel at the same time as he seemed to flow from them, taking me back to my Catholic roots again. Thanks Bob, I was lost and found myself again.
have you heard every grain of sand?
I did not realize that anybody ever said Bob Dylan did not matter. He certainly matters to me. Grew into an adult with Bob Dylan (1960s) and he still speaks to myself and my generation. (I am 70)
Nobody that matters has said Bob Dylan doesn't matter. This is about why he matters, specifically in a more academic context relating his work to the classics.
me too
Bob Dylan speaks to many generations, he is a GOAT.
Kristin Wagar The rolling stones song “sympathy for the devil” song artwork is a picture of a toilet with “bob Dylan’s dream” on the wall pointing towards to toilet ... so now I’m here
JubilantAntics nobody could ever compare.
He's not that much different from the rest of us, yet he spoke for all of us, profoundly
Bob is a multi-faceted artist and is an inspiration to all. He courageously set out as a teenager to seek his destiny. Therefore, his journey has inspired others to do the same. Kudos to Bob!💖
"Why wait any longer for the one you love,
When he's standing..
I front of you."
11 or 12 year old music freak forming 1st time I heard that lyric.
What a simple, clever line.
The guitar sounds with the conga..
AM then FM radio.
Lay Last Lay played between The Stones, Sinatra, Simon & Garfunkel and Led Zeppelin and 10cc.
My record collection was Sgt Pepper's (parent's hand me down -worn out).
2 Elton John album's,(my 1st idol).
75% listened to KISS ALIVE 1 and 2. Days on end.
That's it. 🎉
If you want to know why BD matters, just go outside and dance beneath the diamond sky with one hand waving free... you’ll understand then
I agree... popular music from the 60's through the 70's was the only vehicle for poetry.
I did, I know!
poeple did that long before he mentioned it , he is not special , we can all write songs , he's dont matter at all
@@micosenor3148 God is not special, either, there were gods before him, but look what happened!
i can do that without bob
he doesnt matter any more than joe soap
Who would have thought back in 1962-63 that Bob would win the Nobel Prize, be the subject of a course at Harvard and be compared to Homer. Well done, Bob.😉
I also want thank those who put together this evening about Dylan and posting it on line .
I have always believed Bob will do his utmost to be an enigma to those trying to
scrape the meaning of his beliefs and poetry into their own words . Bob can so simple and so complex
from one verse to the next or one sentence to the next . These very learned men have given a deeper appreciation for Bob Dylan's genius to me . Personally I believe Bob has very deep roots , spiritually
in his Jewish and Christian faiths . This was briefly mentioned in this post . Peter behind my Judy
Let me just say That I want to die at least an hour before BOB DYLAN, I CAN'T IMAGINE LIVING WITHOUT HIM. WE ARE THE SAME AGE AND HE BEGAN HIS CAREER WHEN WE YOUNG AT THE SAME TIME ..WE ARE SOULMATES.
Some people hate dylan because of his singing voice. One thing i think we can all agree on, no music performer from the 20th-21st century had his music written about, critiqued, dissected and discussed as much as Dylan
@J. Dallison sort of, to me more like they didn't let themselves past their opinion judgements to pay attention to the writer & guy who still at times shows up as one of the greatest white blues singers😎🙏💙🐀🍒😎
I think people complain about Dylan's voice because they accidentally heard some of the lyrics and are scared to hear more of them.
His singing style was deliberately created to subvert " singing delivery approved by critics and acclaimed experts" you can call his style as an intelectual progenitor for the modern freestyle rap music
@@646oleg I agree. Dylan was always a contrarian and wanted to go "against the grain" of whatever the establishment represented at any given time. If they wanted Johnny Mathis, Dylan said "F___ you." When a critic tried to get him to talk about "folk rock," Dylan told him: "I don't sing folk rock." Like Duke Ellington before him, Dylan hated "categories" and refused to get pigeonholed by pundits, profiteers, and market-minded mountebanks.
First you hear the words, the music, the phrasing- then you think, then you feel, then it captures you and your heart. Then you understand the man. His voice is the man and he's speaking to you ---from Bob Dylan's take on Life, and then you get it---- and he never leaves you.
I’am so glad Dylan is finally getting his due. I’ve been listening to him since ‘64.
He's always had his due.
Always had it. And for good reason.
The part of the New Basement Tapes was mis-characterized in that they were never put to music (by Dylan), but rather were lyrics that needed melodies. The ad hoc "band," the New Basement Tapes, Giddens, Costello, et al. provided the melodies. Dylan himself did something similar with a notebook of Hank Williams lyrics he had acquired, and lined up various musicians to put their own tunes to Hank's unfinished songs, one of which ('The Love that Faded') he did himself.
Thank you gentlemen. I was a little reticent to watch this ( as a lifelong fan of 50 odd years) but thoroughly enjoyed your discussion and illuminating some ghost-like themes for me. Apparently, he's a good welder too.
Thank you again.
I really enjoyed this discussion about Bob Dylan. Thank you for all presenting this. Bob has brought me through so many hard times in my life with his words. He can put into just a few words what you are going through, where you have been, how you felt about it emotionally and so many other facets of your life. Something that would take you years or decades to explain how you felt or how you feel he can sum up in a few words. He is definitely a genius and the poet of our generation.
"Lay, lady lay. Lay on your big brass bed." ; "He held a gun in every hand" ; "Time will tell who has fell and who's been left behind"
Duh? How is that even a query? Zimmy my hero for over 50 years & I am 62. You are lucky to have the medium to hear anything Bob ever did thank GOD
This Case Western discussion is most helpful! These people you host explain how Dylan lifts us all. The explanation of how he felt Tangled Up in Blue brought yesterday tomorrow and today in the same room. I need to read Richard’s book. Brilliant hosting.
Yes!
Don't think about If he matters, because it is no question for me. Bob Dylan is a living legend like nobody else, a mysterious unknown person, nearly everybody heard one of his songs, know his name but this man is invisible,don't talk with the press, television don: t allows photographies, videos etc.He only want to communicate with his art- very true, and convincing.Thank you for the Insight View..
It may appear on the exterior that Bob Dylan was lucky to have become such an Icon. That isn't quite true in the least way. Bob Dylan is a special sort of musician with a broad-ranging love of other art forms that intersects where his incredible talents have found a birthing.
He has interests in multiple musical types, including folk, R & B, Rock, etc., and variations of many of those. His mastery of words comes directly out of books he has read throughout his days and their lingering familiarity within him. It is the truth that accounts for his seemingly prophetic lyrics. Their context in his writing comes from his understanding of their place even in theatrical importance, as spoken lessons along the path of life are guided by knowledge of the truth, so shall Bob Dylan remain timeless oracle, imbued as such...
Since day one Dylan has referenced the Bible, among so many books I would not be able to read if I lived another 50 years!
He was cautious not to give anything away... He knew that if he said the wrong thing the press would hang on to it and blow it all out of proportion and mischaracterize him... He did well... At that time he was 24 years old and our greatest surrealist poet.
Act 1 - Scene 1 - They're selling postcards for the hanging.
Ac1 1 - Scene 2 - They're painting the passports brown.
Act 2 - Scene 1 - The beauty parlor's filled with sailors.
Act 2 - Scene 2 - The circus is in town.
J. Dallison And Black Diamond Bay
here comes the blind commissioner ... they got him in a trance
goood one Martin- good subject for a thread. Not your favorite Dylan song, but What Is You favorte Dylan Lyric.. "Just to dance beneath the diamond sky with one hand waving free..." And the final stanza of A hard Rain's Gonna fall '(Whatll you do now my blue eyed -son....') ETC ETC ETC
@@jeanvaljeanist "Dignity's never been photographed."
8-5-20 simple twist of fate.
FYI Dylan’s son, Jesse, handled establishing the archives in Tulsa, where Woody Guthrie’s archives are also held (Jesse is the wealthiest member of the family due to
investments)
"I'm a poet, I know it, hope I don't blow it"
Bob Dylan
Not what I was expecting to hear, but it's a very educational video. Dylan deserves every fan he can make
Yes, in the jingle jangle morning, I'll come following you. And I received your letter yesterday (about the time the doorknob broke) . . . I took my potatoes, down to be mashed . . . all along the countryside, he opened many a door. All "1960's classic Bob Dylan". Enough is enough, but what does it 'matter'? Brilliant songwriting . . . oui, it does matter!
At 60, I love "Tiny Mongomery." It's a brilliant song that I just dismissed so blithely when I was younger. The lyrics are whimsical and weird, defying literal interpretation.
I don’t debate those who underrate Dylan, I pity them
The reason he walked into the Latin class was because it was a required course then. Common in most high schools until the late 60s
I disagree with the assumption that with "all those who've sailed with me" is a reference to his fans. I think it's a reference to his fellow musicians.
The ironic thing is that Dylan would probably turn round to him and say, “I don’t believe you ... you’re a liar!” 🤣🤣
just go and listen his songs. you will know why he matters. that's it.
Many of "his" songs were ripped off from lesser known musicians without attribution. When you've made millions off others it's always easy to throw them a bone in recognition decades later. Linda Ronstadt was another one who bought formerly used Sinatra charts from Nelson Riddle for an album where they were used note for note; she was also known for imitating the vocal Ranchera style of the great Mexican singer, Lola Beltran, without attribution, until just a few years ago, long after (Ronstadt) she couldn't sing a note due to medical illness. Both Ronstadt and Dylan have been lifelong liars and the worst kind of thieves.
@@peterandreadakis3851 care to give some examples
Me Im still on the road, heading for another joint, we always did feel the same we just saw it from a different point of view, tangled up. in blue ...
I put down my robe, I picked up my diploma
Took hold of my sweetheart and away we did drive
Straight for the hills, the black hills of Dakota
Sure was glad to get out of there alive
Day of the locust....
Une Grand ARTISTE
Le Poète
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Dylan will be remembered as the Shakespeare of our time. People think only things of the past were somehow more relevant and hallowed than things of the present but “ the present now will latter be past for the times they are a changing”
As I said before he is a prophet and magician. I can listen to his music all day long. Thanks for the post
Thanks for posting this exploration of Dylan and his impact, lovely to listen to for a fan living in Hibbing.
Are u in Hibbing ... that's great . I would like to know if Dylan still has the house where he lived with his parents ?? Live someone there ?? On the other hand i would like if there is something in Hibbing that bears his name (a street , college or something so ) ?? And the last , played Dylan in Hibbing once ?? Very grateful if u answer me . Greetings from Swiss . kk
Nicolas Garcia Gonzalez The house has gone thru owners, but, yes, it’s on Bob Dylan Street. There is or was a Zimmy’s bar with plenty of stuff. But for me the main site in Hibbing is the huge high school with a Broadway-level theatre. It was on that stage that the teenage Dylan debut his rock and roll high school band, The Golden Chords.
@@blackcrow7049 His mother, Beatty,sold the house in the 70's. That owner, Angel Marolt, sold it to another family who lived there for decades. Last summer (August 2019) a Dylan collector, Bill Pagel, bought the house. Bill is working on restoring it to what it was like when Dylan was growing up there in the 1950's. The street the house is on was renamed Bob Dylan Drive. I don't believe Dylan has played publicly in Hibbing since he left high school in 1959. I am waiting for him to play here once more....keeping my fingers crossed. Sorry I did not see your question for a year. Greetings from Hibbing, MN, USA
@@lindawhiteside1264 what a surprise your answer !!! I have a lot of info about Bob , but it's always more interesting to have another first-hand opinion that doesn't come in books or interviews . I had no idea that Bill Pagel had bought Dylan Hibbing's house (I frequently visit Bill's website) and I'm glad that it belongs to a hug Dylan fan . Just thanks , I'm really appreciate your answer (and please write me if u know anything new) . You have a friend on the other side of the ocean . KK .🇨🇭🇪🇸🇺🇸🎵🎶
Hibbing High School is BEAUTIFUL. They don’t make ‘em like they used to, just like Dylan.
So good!!
awesome!!!!Dylan. a most precious arist. in my life.
My family survived the Armenian Holocaust, two close calls in the Battle of the Bulge, three bouts with rheumatic fever, and my polio. They placed on the wall of one of the churches they built from nothing, "Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today and forever. Hebrews 13:8"
It's validating reading these comments, so many of them echo my sense of Dylan too. The one mystery for me is that in interviews (later ones obviously) he says Shot of Love is his best album. I can't puzzle that one out. Can someone shed some light on that one?
Love is the one essential, not the only thing, but the best thing as singer songwriter Mark Heard one wrote.
Dylan will touch your heart and mind thru his words and his very presence. Bless him I have loved him so long.
I’m so grateful that he has been selected for the Nobel Prize which means Dylan is actually acknowledged in the arts at the highest level.
I began listening to Joan Baez and Bob Dylan in the late 60’s. For me to listen to him you must truly be in your heart. To me his stories (each song) transports from many dimensions and do carry a higher frequency. They have helped me bridge between my heart and my mind and I will be forever grateful. Thank you for reaching out to me James. I too love listening to you ❣️Donna
I forgot to add I believe this is true AND in the HEARTs of many which speaks volumes❣️
What they are doing is a compliment to Bob Dylan. They consider him a classical artist that will be remembered and survive like all great literature. It doesn't get any better for an artist. It may not matter to Bob Dylan, but I suspect it does in the long run.
Dylan matters... And his near-contemporary, the very best singer/songwriter/musician, Joni Mitchell, matters even more!
Well done
bob dylan wrote words and combinations of words that this commentator this presenter speaker whatever... profoundly beautiful songs, incomprehensibly beautiful songs and his diligence his talent and intellect is paid tribute with this... absolutely absurd won’t watch video make a better title
He bored into the public consciousness and also everybody's personal consciousness. His lyrics are porous. They mean one thing to one person, another thing to another. His stories become our own stories. I don't think, technically, that's great writing. Not usually anyway. Any idiot can write something we don't understand. But Bob Dylan lives by different rules. We think we understand Bob Dylan, and we devise our own stories. Also Bob Dylan, unlike most writers, sings, and his singing means something too, adds to how we interpret his expressions. How we view our own stories based on his songs.
As long as I’m breathing, Dylan matters to somebody.
As long as I’m alive I saw him twice in concert both times in Vancouver but I discovered Bob on vinyl. Harmonica & motorcycles was my life that had a lot to do w/Dylan also having some Hebrew roots mix bag really/
@@zippyustar6350 the man can tell a story
Where would we be without the giant wisdom of Dylan, such as; "if you ain't got nothing, you got nothing to lose.
Bob Dylan was a folk singer who was involved in the Civil Rights Movement, and was one of the first musicians who took an active role on moral issues. He united people through his music, and he created new poetic expressions within the American song tradition. 33:34 [Mr. Pop Culture]
Although Bob Dylan did not necessarily live the American Dream. He helped to ensure others that previously did not experience the American Dream. By doing this he lived his own verison of the American Dream by making part of his dream come true. By Bob Dylan caring he caused many young Americans to care too. 34:35 [Wagner College]
Before it was a dream of wealth, the American Dream was an ethos. The guiding belief that the nation should be founded on equality, justice, and democracy defined the phrase for generations up until the mid-20th century. Staying relatively consistent, the American Dream remained a political ideal up until the years leading up to World War II. 35:36 [TheCollector]
"I like America, just as everybody else does. I love America, I gotta say that. But America will be judged." 36:37
Bob Dylan
one of my favorite german authors A Doeblin, who wrote B Alexanderplatz had to selfpublish the first edition the verdict of current time is often fickle, my favorite example for this is, in the cinematique arena, Star Wars, by the critics dimissed as to be a certain flop ... go figure
Finally, got around to listening to this. Funny, no mention of Whitman, who figures prominently in Rough and Rowdy Ways. These guys are academics. I wouldn't call them Dylanologists. Just looking for the next book or paper to publish. When I was in college, my English professor's mantra was publish or perish. I handed him his "publish" on Norman Mailer. A little off topic.
Dylan is the whole world. And he is especially important for the hypocritical West. I mean primarily America.
Bob Dylan DID matter - for his time, but, like he himself wrote, The Times They Are A-Changin.
Who needs these chumps to tell us why bob Dylan matters. Uh, just listen to Bob Dylan’s songs duh
+King Romulus.......RIGHT!!
I know I'm a year late, but I wanted to thank you, Jonathan, for this sensitive, intelligent and deeply considered contribution to the conversation.
Yeah this is the shit that Bob hates. Listen to the music and have a real life experience. The guys just a song and dance man anyway.
@@thehockeyfan8888 These guys speak like they KNOW Bob Dylan. Sure, they're fans. Yes, they are knowledgeable but talking about him like they KNOW him...ick. Wait until Bob Dylan is dead and then act like this. He has never met them.
@@taylorbad Why so grumpy? Everybody speaks like they KNOW the Bob. Don't you?
We all matter including Mr. Dylan 💓👍
Song: A Master of the Blues
It was another country. It was another place.
But the songs he sang were relevant,
to the whole damn human race.
His name was Bob Dylan. A master of the blues.
You know just what he's feelin' by the way he sings for you.
His name was Bob Dylan. A poet of his age.
He sung of rank corruption in tears of blinding rage.
It was in another country. In a different world.
The knot of fear and hatred, he loosened and uncurled.
He fought a thwarted justice, that something must be done.
He warned us of the price we'd pay,
and the things that were to come.
It was a different country. It was another land.
But he made us see, possibilities, that we could understand.
He knew all the elements that would conspire:
the lusting heat of cold desire,
the wind, the rain, the creeping fire,
the child within the man.
A vision sought is a vision gained,
he saw it all and he explained,
and through it, with him, we were sustained.
We went on as he began.
It was another country. In a different hemisphere.
And in speaking truth to restless youth Bob Dylan had no peer.
It was a dream, or so it seemed, but they were the golden years.
Among the young, he spoke their tongue, as a prophet or a seer.
His name was Bob Dylan. A master of disguise.
He'd see right through the hurt in you to the pain sunk in your eyes.
His name was Bob Dylan, and it comes as no surprise,
he struck a note in what he wrote: how love both lives and dies.
It was another country. It was a different time.
He gave us goals and set our sights on mountains left to climb.
His name was Bob Dylan. He was honest if not wise.
And the cards you knew he was dealin' you were not a pack of lies.
Through every moment his songs require
an open mind and trust inspired
to raise us up from within the mire
that we call: existence.
A vision sought is a vision gained,
he saw it all and he explained,
and though it left him tired and drained,
he went on with quiet persistence.
It was a different country; in another past.
He found the evidence of my deceit bound down within my heart.
It was another lifetime. If its' vision did not last
who could blame that passionate flame, illuminating art?
His name was Bob Dylan. He blew a funeral horn.
And heralded the winds of change from within the social storm.
His name is still Bob Dylan. He's a master of the blues.
And you know just what he's feelin' by the way he sings to you.
DSW
©David Smith-White 2021
Don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
I'll reflect from the mountains so all souls shall see it.....
I didn’t think he mattered in 1965 when he stepped into my elevator . What does an 18 year old elevator operator know?🤷🏼♀️I should have gotten his autograph rather than deliberately not leveling my elevator causing him to trip. Funny to me at the time.
Excellent
VERY interesting indeed
“I hate myself for loving you, and the weakness that it showed”
20 mins in and the title question hasn't even been attempted to have been answered. bob dylan was a guy who sat in the back of the car and didn't speak.....wow...what genius. Am i missing something? bob dylan referenced greek myth.......ok? he didn't invent intertextuality? ancient greek myth is one of the most well known artistic touchstones. hardly a unique reference point. this panel seems shot through with nostalgia 'man i grew up reading stuff he was influenced by, it was wild to me'. i would have found it more instructive to show how he changed music, how he was differrent, by actually playing his songs and then comparing it to other music that was coming out at the time. then dissecting what he was doing with the lyrics and song structure
Dylan is and always will be 💯 relevant
Just imagining Bob watching this lol
Great man.
The speckled dwarf,
And his bowtie,
The silent infantry,
And don't ask why...
Master of illusory verse.
Don't follow leaders watch your parking meters
How can a love affair go right
in order for a person to matter they have to have reached the pinnacle of success in their field?
Imagine what Dylan would think of this...... i dk...but i can imagine....
He’d probably hate it tbh
What you meant to ideate on was 'Why Bod Dylan'l ALWAYS matter'
Worlds longest introduction?
Bob and I are pretty close ... somehow I doubt that
Kristin Wagar The rolling stones song “sympathy for the devil” song artwork is a picture of a toilet with “bob Dylan’s dream” on the wall pointing towards to toilet ... so now I’m here
+Kristin Wagar............You posted the same thing twice, so what's your point?
Welcome to the band~ bob Dylan's dream is one hella-underrated track. The only nostalgia track in Dylan's catalogue
To call Dylan a genius is a under statement the man is a legend 🏴😄🎶🕶️
Mike DeCapite is badass.
Why do these guys matter?
academia and literary theory would be a bit too much for most of the uninformed masses
'would be'?
Those who can do, and those who can't become humanities professors. Making Dylan boring again (not that he ever was).
Don't forget Dylan Thomas and Grenwich Village
Latin Prose Composition or Bob Dylan 101-that is the question
is this what it takes for someone to matter?
Who says he "came out of Christianity after ten months?"
As anyone ever ready his lyrics with laughing? Who cares that he can't sing at all . His written words are some of the goofiest things ever put to paper.
He matters because you didn't know you could do that thing... that thing that was different from what everyone else was doing...
My first response to the video title is Bob Dylan Lives Matter, but somehow became BDSM: Bob Dylan Songs Matter. ;)
Ain't no use to sit and wonder why babe, if'n you don't know by now
Yes indeed
Bob's lives matter/Bob's live matters
My god! what a bunch of boring academics who seem more concerned with beating their own drums than with saying anything very illuminating about this signal, seminal figure. Don't misunderstand me, please! I'm all for academia, good academia! How's about bringing on those on a level with oh...uh...let's see...uh...BRUCE ADOLPHE, for example! addendum: The FIRST speaker in this forum was pretty interesting, the rest of the program was flop city!
addendum#2: Time to "fess up", I guess. After watching the program a second time I feel somewhat abashed by what I wrote above because the program was not really "that" bad. It might, in fact, serve as a NOT-bad introduction for anyone coming new to Dylan. One really glaring fault of the program remains, however: the panel seems to want us to think that Dylan was just about perfect, when, in fact, he wrote MANY horribly inept lines mixed in with the great ones!
He mattered to the beatles.
You just gotta
Is it fair to say that, without Dylan, there would be nobody working in the pop idiom who genuinely has attempted consciously to transcend the era and create something to add to the sum of Western thought on life and its existential meaning?
Jesus! This first guy is so frustrating. He speaks in fragments, like Dylan went to England and in '62 made a recording for BBC, then says "mad house on Castle Street". I don't know if that's the name of the song or what. He must be very shy, this first speaker, cuz he mutters and is incoherent!! I hope this is constructive criticism, cuz I can't keep up with him! Otherwise, it's great! Love Bob.
34.00
bob would hate this
At approx. 8:00, when he fails to remember a Dylan lyric, he puts his cards on the table... another Johnny-come-lately "Dylanologist" pretending to be an authority on the Mighty Zimm. Witness also 55:00 where he doesn’t know what the woman is talking about (Lost on the River) because he is not even remotely steeped in Dylan lore. He seems to think Black Jack Davey originates with Guthrie. Plus, it’s Must Be Santa. Details do matter, or at least they should if you claim to be an authority, as any academic must by definition if he stands before an audience and takes questions
. Shameful.
or he's just clearly nervous. but it's great you're being all judgemental on a youtube video. i bet you'd have been awesome up there.
I have a very different opinion on the matter.
The artist here or writer doesn't really get Dylan, in fact, the other two seem to get him better. Would never buy his book. I stopped getting Dylan around 1978.His lyrics stopped being meaningful to me. I did buy his albums through the early 90s however given my profound respect for his earlier work, waiting to be moved again
Why should a disinfo agent matter??
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