@@Fakeslimshady He supports autonomy for the native people, be it nord or reachmen, even if the stormcloaks and forsworn may be enemys. That makes quite a lot of sense.
@@illyrian9976 But Stormcloaks fight to be independent of the Empire. The Forsworn fight to establish themselves as a kingdom within the Empire. So no, it's not about native autonomy
@@Fakeslimshady How is wanting to be an independent nation or an autonomous region not wanting native rule? The Forsworn are the natives of the region so giving them a separate kingdom from Skyrim would make since since Skyrim is the nation of the Nords.
I've always found the Forsworn to be one of the most interesting factions in Skyrim. I kind of wish the faction system in Skyrim had been done in the New Vegas style and you could side with the Forsworn, at least to some noticeable extent, similar to the Powder Gangers perhaps.
BADCompanySarge There could have been the option to make the Reach its own province of the empire if you sided with Madanach and also sides with the Empire.
@JoeRingo118 The reachmen are in many ways the human equivelent of the argonians, enslaved and slaughtered by just about every faction that ever encountered them, the argonians in inner Blackmarsh are pretty brutal to outsiders for the same reasons. Though the tribes that have let hagravens run them are worthy of scorn, but at the same time pity after seeing how desperate they are to free themselves of rulers that will do things like [ask any reachman in sidna mine their story].
@JoeRingo118 You do realize that the Forsworn and the Reach are a 1 for 1 comparison to the Stormcloaks and Skyrim, right? Ulfric even bartered for his religious freedom by explicitly denying independence and religious freedom of the Reachmen, the natives of the land. Stormcloak sympathetic Nords even often complain about the political corruption of Imperial coin, but you have an explicit example of such corruption by Stormcloak sympathetic Nords in the Silver-bloods.
Have to say, Braig's speech at 11:08 is excellently voiced. You really do get to empathize with his character, and although I usually don't work with the Forsworn, it shows the emotional background to the uprising very well.
Its very well spoken to the point where you can tell its supposed to be fabricated. Madanach is a master manipulator- he was more than just “locked up as an asset.” Dude is too good with words and people. His buddies have been in there with him almost as long so theyve learned from him
I thought Escape from Cidhna Mine was absolutely amazing. I was so immersed in the amazing story. At the end, I helped slay some guards with the Forsworn. It was great until they ran away and I didn't realize, so I kept attacking the guards until I got a bounty. Later on, Forsworn in the wild continued to attack me. *Sigh...* Skyrim. So immersive.
I know it was such a let down. Madanach even gives you a full somewhat high quality set of Forsworn armor and then literally like two seconds later says "word of warning to you, beware the Forsworn!". I mean c'mon, I'd actually love to join them. At least to be friendly with them
Hey you probably now this now and you did comment a year ago but madanach and the rest escape to a big cave fortress and you can go live with them ( I can’t remember how to spell it haha ) if you google where they went it comes up
@@TheFos88ould have been great if they was a third choice in the civil war. I was going to join the storm cloaks untilI got abuse everywhere I saw nords. I play as a dark elf so they don't like me. I joined imperials by default because of that but didn't feel any more important. The forsworn having the oldest claim to the land would have worked out nicely. It seemed a little pointless having them there but not utilising them despite letting us know what their story was. They gave us the choice to switch between the two during the civil war campaign. It would have been immense if we could have gone AWOL to pick the third option.
I can see how it seems that way but they had a lot of voice actors for example Vladimir Kulch voiced ulfric stormcloak Michael Hogan voiced general tullius Joan allen voiced Delphine Christopher plummer voiced arngeir (main grey beard Max von sydow voicex esbern charles dennis voiced durnehiir claudia christain voiced Legate rikke this is only a few of the voice actors there are over 70 voice actors
Option 3: Step 1) Kill Madanach Step 2) Escape the mine Step 3) "Thank" Thonar for arranging your pardon. Collect the ring. Step 4) Get the ebony blade Step 5) Get the Ritual Stone blessing. Step 6) Scour all the resurrection scrolls possible. Step 7) become a vampire. Step 8) get all the pickpocket enchanted items you can equip at the same time. Step 9) visit your old friend Thonar at night. Step 10) pickpocket his sleeping ass. Step 11) bite his conspiring ass for blood. Step 12) sneak attack his ass while sleeping with whatever weapon one shots him. His bodyguard wont mind what happens next as long as you haven't been detected by this step. Step 13) revive his ass with the stone power. Step 14) pull out the ebony blade. Get to work. Step 15) revive his ass with a scroll. If you use a regular spell the next time you kill him he'll turn to ash and get off easy. Step 16) repeat step 14 as many times as possible. Get your ebony blade maxed out without the guilt trip. Lol at the comments made by his bodyguard as he sees his former master brought back from the dead and killed again over and over. He might even join in putting him down! Step 17) leave Markarth by fast travel. Step 18) talk to the friendly courier. He will have an inheritance letter from Thonar's dumb ass. Step 19) profit!
@@thatguy-yn8ji the temple of debella quest you are sent to help locate a girl and she has been kidnapped by the forsworm because she has been touched by the gods. The heart of dibella quest
First time I arrived in Markarth and Weylin drew the dagger, I panicked because I thought he was coming at me, froze him with a shout and started smashing him with my battle axe. Then Margaret said I saved her and I was flummoxed.
Totally honest...i originally thought he was dark brotherhood (back in Oblivion days, to contact the Dark Brotherhood, meant murdering an innocent.. my first was an argonian beggar...my way of cutting ties to the thieves guild... assumed twas the same first time in skyrim) so i watched...soon as i heard "forsworn", i was like "this world is not how i remember it, but lets see where the rabbit hole goes" lol
I was watching my older brother play. As soon as that sneak thief pulled the dagger I was like, "he's going to kill that lady! kill him!" My brother put up a patronizing hand to tell me to stop jumping to conclusions. Then the sneak thief killed her and chaos ensued. I glared at him afterward and he admitted, "Well...I don't know what I expected to happen." When I finally started a playthru on my own game I immediately leapt on that guy with my own dagger. 10 yrs on and I still make fun of his tendency for 'let's see where he's going with this....' reflexes. when it was VERY clear where he was going with that.
Jake Bailey the first time i tried it i somehow killed the guard that was supposed to arrest me when i first entered the city and accidentally threw a fireball
The best ending for this is to be a double agent. Help the king in rags escape, but just at the last door kill each of those forsworn just before they gain the freedom they so desperately wanted. After this, when you exit and are given the silver blood ring assassinate Thonar. With this choice your then the hero as you cut off each of the bad branches. As a bonus, since the quest is completed all npcs active in it are no longer essential. So for more of a role play you can root out all of the corruption by assassinating each npc present in this little scheme.
Just like in many other quests : when no side is even barely moral… you exterminate both sides. Forsworn are terrorists. Silver-bloods are slavers. Fuck them both, they can answer for their actions in front of their gods and be punished accordingly
What I did after completion was sneak into Thonar’s room, paralyze him in his sleep, cast soul trap on him, kill him, trap his soul in a black soul gem, and use that soul gem to enchant a silver sword, I thought it was hilarious personally.
I just let the forsworn kill Thonar during their escape, I even healed some of them during the fighting and then later on (after mercilessly butchering all the other forsworn outposts and bases in the reach) I killed Madanach and his boys at their main base. No survivors, No exceptions.
Sadly there was no continuation to the Forsworn questline like retaking the Reach or straight up beheading every member of the Silverblood family. Besides doublecrossing both Mandanach and Thonar there also isn't any pro-imperial option.
I hate the forsworn so much before I got to markarth they attacked me and killed my horse. Then when I raided their cave I found horse meat. THOSE ANIMALS BUTCHERED MY HORSE! from the moment on I showed the forsworn no mercy i hunted them down and ruthlessly struck down all forsworn I could find. To avenge my sweetfoot.
Two things that hit me in the guts when I played it. Firstly, that Eltrys' wife was Rhiada, who usually gets killed when the Forsworn attack while you're talking to Thonar. Bye-bye Eltrys' wife and baby, never born. Second, Uraccen lets slip that his daughter is Uaile, who you have to kill when escaping Nepos' house. This whole quest is such a downer.
Skyrim is so deep when you look at it. On my first play through the choices seemed easy and clear. Stormcloaks, elves bad, empire bad, nords good. But on looking at the empire and the actual war then treaty, it's hard to make a decision on who to side with. Same with this. On your first run it is clear to kill Madanoch and boom you're good, but when you look closer, it's hard to chose. I love Skyrim.
The problem with Skyrim is that the choices you make hardly impact the world itself. For example, here when you read about the incident, how peaceful was the reachmen kingdom, how nords have been enslaving reachmen before and after the uprising, ulfric killing everyone reachman or not that didn't help him retake the reach and helping enslave people for the silver bloods, it's hard not to sympathize with the forsworn and help them. But then the forsworn continue to attack you, the guards at most make a comment about you, you're not wanted in the hold, etc. And that in my opinion takes away the weight of making a decision.
@@alexanderbravo5137 True. But that's on Bethesda. The Forsworn should have been a joinable faction, with their own questline and world-changing outcome, like the Stormcloaks and the Empire.
A missed opportunity in Skyrim is having the Civil War quest worl like Fallout New Vegas, where your commander sends you to various cities to either gain the support of or destroy certain factions as a way of introducing quests to players. For example, Tullius has received reports of something going on in Markarth. He has an agent there, and wants you to meet up with them in the Silver Blood Inn. Well, you see her either get murdered or talk to her, and when you get to the ending, if you're with the Legion, you have a third option: convince Madanach to side with the Legion. Maybe a sort of compromise: those responsible for the atrocities committed against the Reachmen will be duly punished under Imperial law, and a section of land will be given for the Forsworn that is theirs, alongside allowing Reachmen to come and go through Markarth as they please.
I always loved the Forsworn quests. I just thought it was shitty how only one faction of Forsworn would stay friendly while the others would still try to kick my ass.
It's because every tribe governs themselves, and they all have different values. Just because their king has finally escaped Cidhna Mine doesn't mean suddenly they no longer lead themselves. It's easy to paint them all under the same umbrella, but the reason Forsworn camps are so far apart from each other is because there's a lot of infighting over when to fight, when not to fight, what gods to worship, personal Hagraven conflicts among other things. They're a very interesting group of wild men and women.
I freed the Foresworn leader after I handed the Reach to Ulfric at the Peace Accords. My logic was to destabilize the region after getting Ulfric to trade away two holds for a single one, resulting in Ulfric suffering a net loss all while the Imperials kept their hands clean.
Please do a Skyrim lore video on what each afterlife is like, depending on who you worship. I will post this on every video uploaded after this one until it is done, or personally refused by FudgeMuppet.
Forsworn: This place is mine Tiber Septim: Oh yeah? I'm gonna take it Forsworn: Dang, we lost *A few thousand years later* Forsworn: finally ours Nords: Hey, that's a nice piece of land Forsworn: Not again
When I do this quest I always side with Madanach UNTIL I receive the Old Gods Set. Then I kill Madanach and every other Forsworn, I exit the mine, and Thonar gives me the Silver-Blood Ring. As a completionist collector, it's the best course for me.
Play as a stormcloak-aligned nord(/character in general) : side with Thonar. Play as a forsworn breton (or orc) : side with Madanach. Play as a dunmer : side with Madanach, betray him and get both rewards. Play as anything else and do whatever we want (just try to save Margret if you are imperial-aligned). Roleplay 101
@Joey Sixx I think it doesn't make sense to ally with neither the imperials or the Stormcloacks if you are role-playing a forsworn character. Although, if you REALLY want to side with one, I'd side with the Empire... Just because... Fuck Ulfric
I remember from the last time I played Skyrim, I sided with Madanach, however during the escape through the Dwemer ruins, I intentionally sabotaged their escape, luring Dwarven Animunculi (The Spiders, Spheres, etc) to the group, moved them directly into the path of traps, etc. Just before the exit back into Markarth, all that was left was my Dragonborn and Madanach. I accepted the Armor of the Old Gods before I then killed him before the doors. I then exited to be rewarded by Thonar Silver-Blood. I accepted my reward of the Silver-Blood Family Ring, then I blasted Thonar in the back of the head with my Dwarven Crossbow, killing him. Afterwords I made a very quick escape from the city, returning to my explorations of Skyrim.
Wanna cleanse Markarth? Listen well kiddo. Step 1) Do the Forsworn Conspiracy. Make sure you investigate all the leads before reporting to Eltrys, resulting in the maximum possible deaths of Forsworn/Silver-Blood agents. Step 2) Do the No One Escapes Cidhna Mine quest. Kill Madanach in his cell. Then escape. Thonar will greet and reward you - when he turns away to leave, sneak up behind him and cut his throat. Step 3) Do the main questline as normal. Give Markarth to the Stormcloaks in Season Unending. Step 4) After the Main Questline is complete, join the Legion and drive the Stormcloaks out of Markarth. With Thongvor exiled to Windhelm and Thonar dead, the Silver-Bloods no longer hold any sway. Step 5) Assassinate Ondolemar and his Thalmor entourage. Step 6) Do the Taste of Death quest. Play along and lure the priest to the crypt... so you can slaughter all the cannibals. Step 7) You have successfully driven the Forsworn leadership from Markarth, removed the Silver-Bloods from power, ended the cannibalism problem, and slaughtered the Thalmor... but your work is not yet done.
I couldn't betray Grisvar! I promised him I wouldn't kill him before talking to Madanach. And he's a nice guy! Madanach's a bloodthirsty monster, and so is every other Forsworn in the mine. Am I sympathetic? Absolutely. But am I going to free them when they tell me the first thing they'll do is kill as many people as possible? No way. They all die. And then Thonar dies too, for throwing me in the mine and for his blatant disrespect for life. Though his death is via assassination, of course. Wouldn't want to lose my pardon and my status as a hero of Markarth, now would I?
I didn’t even know siding with the silver bloods was an option when I first did that quest. Usually I still side with the foresworn though, especially cuz the ring you get as a reward is nothing special whereas the armor of the old gods is a unique set
I remember this quest... it's how one murder in Markarth escalated to a genocide of the entire province by a rampaging dragonborn. (I killed all the guards because that's what usually happens when I get arrested and can't talk my way out, and killed them gladly this time because they were actually corrupt) then I decided "fuck it, if I'm going to kill everyone in one hold, might as well kill everyone, period. None of the NPCs treat me with respect anyway." so I broke out of Markarth while riding a dragon, then I fast traveled to each major city, and slaughtered everybody, no survivors... well, except for the essential characters.
You forgot my favorite ending; The Justice ending: Both Thoronar and Madanach's hands are stained black with the blood of countless men. As they fight each other, deliver them both to Arkay, cut the head off the hatred orobourous.
@@Mare_Man They go on to kill random innocents, and the Forsworn outside the gates still kill you and presumably continue their horrid kidnapping and ritual sacrifice. I love the Forsworn, but they're not in the right. Don't even pretend they are.
@@TheSpiritsLease The blame for the current state of the Forsworn can be put squarely on the Jarl and that murderer Ulfric. The Forsworn are reduced to banditry in their own homeland and turn to the Hagravens for an edge against their oppressors, and the hags demand a price. Madanach treated the Nords fairly, apart from bastards like the Silver-Bloods.
@@Mare_Man And that makes them killing random people okay how? The Stormcloaks ironically haven't done that on purpose, and if they did, it's not on a scale of frequency as The Forsworn. And they're giant assholes to anyone but themselves. Also, need I remind you The Reachmen of old tried to Anchor fucking Molag Bal to Tamriel?
After the first time I went through this quest, I always play it the same way. Side with Madanach until we get through the ruins, get the fancy old god dear, then kill him. Thonar shows up and give me his fancy ring, gets killed by the foresworn mob, I help kill the foresworn. Evil is punished, and I gets ALLLLLLLLLLLLL that sweet sweet loot.
I literally shot my head up as soon as I heard Nick Valentine. I flipped thinking he was hidden in Skyrim. Then I remembered... Skyrim had like 3 voice actors in their game.
I don't enjoy how they simplified literally everything down from previous elder scrolls titles. Enchanting, alchemy, the armor, weapons, and even the attributes have all been simplified so much to appeal to a broader audience. A lot of the quest were lackluster and not memorable. It was an okay game but not near as great as it's predecessors. Dragon Age was a great RPG
This was one of the first quests I went through the first time I played Skyrim (after not really playing video games before), and boy, was I in over my head.
One of the BEST ♥quest in skyrim like TOP 10 but I always save the lady b4 she can be slane and I side with the Forsworn plus the armor they give u is AWESOME
Other than the "everybody sucks" aspect, this isn't much of a moral dilemma. The Silverbloods, bad as they are, generally don't enslave and kill innocent people or kidnap children as sacrifices to friggin' Hagravens. They certainly don't seem to be all about constructing a whole kingdom out of that. But even if there were a moral equivalency, the Nords are more civilized than the useless Reachmen. You can buy useful stuff from Nords, while the Forsworn mostly just drop crappy loot. Not a contest, Skyrim for the Nords.
Alternatively, you can initially join the forsworn, get the unique forsworn gear, and then stab Madanach in the back, when his men are not close. When you exit the mine, the forsworn will attack you, but you can overpower them with the help of the Markarth guards. This way you will also receive the silver-blood ring. As far as i know, there are no complications, bugs, anomalies caused in the story by this.
I can see almost an exact replica to Irish history in this storyline. A group of guerrilla fighters trying to claim back their home, an uprising while the occupiers were at war, mass executions and imprisonment, organising the cause from behind bars to show strength. Mental tbh but maybe I’m just a nerd
I wish the Forsworn were a faction you could actually align with in Skyrim. Definitely easier to sympathize with than either the Imperials or the Stormcloaks
@@7GamesUnlimited7 not quite: the stormcloaks want to separate from the empire to worship the ascended founder of the empire (confusing as fuck goal but whatever) and to ensure no one who isn't a nord has any real power in skyrim, if they are allowed to live at all in skyrim (the rank and file aren't exactly subtle about their hatred for anyone not nord and openly discuss literally this as an after war plan). The forsworn want a kingdom but its unclear if that means a kingdom like highrock within the empire, a kingdom like the stormcloaks want that exists outside the empire, or something akin to the orc strongholds (I mean, we hear the forsworn king has united the forsworn but... has he? If they were that strong, why not raid markarth again? They should have the numbers and skyrim is in a civil war with a manipulative third party who want it to continue indefinitely. This is literally their best chance ever) and engage in some light human sacrifice. Depending on the actual structure of forsworn independence, it could be pretty different from stormcloak success. It could also be less violent than if the stormcloaks just genocided all the elves from their lands as they openly discuss (yes, I am saying the human sacrifices are less violent than literally genocide, fight me). Not sure either are good but, assuming stormcloaks aren't just full of meaningless talk, one seems more egalitarian and likely less violent. If they join up with the empire, well, Tiber septim's empire tolerated dunmer slavery. I'm not sure if human sacrifice is too far or if it's like slavery and generally outlawed but not in one region. Then again, forsworn have never been accepted and dunmer generally are and 3rd era empire eventually got rid of slavery in morrowind too, so...
I wish the forsworn had been by default a joinable faction. Perhaps you could help lead them to victory in battle, defeating imperial and stormcloak forces alike to drive them from the reach. Perhaps you could ally with either of the 2 major factions to secure an independent reach. Maybe even negotiate a covert arrangement with the thalmor for equipment and provisions in exchange for further diverting imperial resources and subverting stormcloak ambitions in the area. Seeing the forsworn grow from a ragtag guerrilla band into a formidable army would be amazing.
I'll never get over the amount of nostalgia I get from these videos... frankly it's almost overwhelming. I miss when games were good, and no seriously they used to be different. There was a soul to the games that were made 10+ yrs ago
I prefer siding with Madanach because Thonar is a corrupt prick and I like the way Druadach Redoubt becomes full of friendly Forsworn. Mind, it's worth mentioning you can kill Thonar if you sided with him as he loses his essential status after completion of this quest. It essentially allows for a "third option" in sense, where you refuse to side with the Forsworn whilst also double crossing the puppetmaster.
I helped Madanach escape and killed the guards and others in the city, then went to the redoubt to kill Madanach and his followers. I had to get rid of the corruption in the city and then get rid of the anarchy in the reach. It was the only way for me.
Useful tip for unique item collectors: If you escape chidna mine with the king of rags until you get the old God's armour set kill the king of rags to obtain the silver blood ring.
I did side with the prisoners the first time playing through this quest, however as soon as the quest had ended, they attacked me, so the second time I did the quest I decided to just murder them all in werewolf form and get on with life. Two different saves btw, not the same.
One of the best quests in Skyrim cause these conspiracies happen all the time in the real world, it’s the most realistic and one of the most complex quests about land, settlements and disputes
Too much overthinking on this. Murder your way through this quest in a reasonable manor and everything works out fine. Murder Nepo and his people. Murder the corrupt gaurds. Murder The King in rags and his crew. Get your reward from Thonar then hack him to peices. The Skyrim way....
My favourite part of this quest is killing all the infiltrated forsworn in Thonnar's house before talking to him. If you do it, his wife will still die, but for no reason at all. Basically she "dies from death" which is fucking hilarious because Thonnar's script won't even change, still blaming the forsworn and all.
Good work again Scott and fudge muppet, so now I have to role play a forsworn character lol :) thank you again. Wish i could free camera on console:( :)
Uccaren talks about his daughter, not moments ago his daughter was killed. Though one time, in a playthrough where I destroyed the Dark Brotherhood then married Muiri by furying Bothella then investing with Muiri when she took over the shop. Met Odvan later in the mine, "I wonder how Grandmother Bothella is doing. Probably worried sick." Don't worry, she isn't worried or sick.
For anyone else wondering what race Reachmen are, since they are in Skyrim but talk about "the Nords", I checked it out: ethnically speaking (and for game mechanics too) Reachmen are Bretons, but culturally speaking they're considered a different group, as neither Bretons nor Reachmen consider Reachmen to be Bretons.
I love how he says he won't tell you what the right decision is, but by the end of the video he's all like "Another reason to take out that conniving nord." Can't blame him though, I do the same thing pretty much every time.
Was it ever explained how the orders got from Madanach to Nepos. Seems Thonar was using them as his sort of personal assassins in exchange Madanach could also give his own orders as long as they didn't attack the Silver Bloods. Also appears that the Forsworn(even Nepos) don't know that Madanach is taking some of the orders from Thonar. As far as Nepos knows Weylin attacking Margaret was Madanach's order as much as Ildene attacking Betrid was. I had this idea. Thonar knows about the tunnel. That's clear, he's waiting at the exit whichever option you take. He doesn't need to use it though, his mercenaries can give Madanach notes from Thonar. Somebody serving the Silver-Bloods who is actually a Forsworn agent has a key to the Markarth ruins. Say Kaie for example. Maybe somebody emerged from the tunnel on day, Thonar or a mercenary, sure to be in plain view of Kaie, and "accidentally" dropped the key. Now Kaie thinks she has access to Madanach. She goes in, speaks to him, gets the orders thinking they are all his, some will be, some are from Thonar. She then leaves and gives the orders to Nepos to carry out. Maybe at some point she made a copy of the key to give to him. This way Nepos has an agent that he thinks is fooling Thonar and getting orders directly from Madanach, the agent thinks this as well, but Madanach's orders are also mixed in with Thonar's.
I did this in a way no one has done. I killed weylin, let margret survive, talked to eltrys, went to the miners, asked for info on weylin, got to the warrens, bribed the key passer, went to weylin's room, got the note, fought dyrstren, made him submit got the lead on nepos, returned to eltrys to get a juicy 1000 septim reward, left to find info on margret, grabbed the key to her room that was on the counter next to kleppr in the silverblood inn, went to her room, stole her diary, got threatened by a guard to stop snooping, returned to eltrys with the info on the diary, he paid me 1200 septims this time, then went to the treasury house, bribed the maid to let me pass, confronted thonar, his wife got murdered and zombified, killed his servants and his wife turned to ash, confronted him one more time, he revealed the truth, left to face nepos next, ualei didn't want me to go inside, nepos granted my wish, confronted him, he told me everything, afterwards i killed his 3 servants and him, left to go back to eltrys, found him dead inside, guards said i was under arrest, i submitted to them, got dragged off to cidhna mine, while inside i approached borkul i persuaded him to let me talk directly to madanach, once inside madanach asked me what it was that I wanted, I said "let's start with revenge", this angered madanach and i killed him, shortly after i read his message about an abandoned pipeline i heard the other prisioners that were on his side approaching me to investigate the screams, i killed them in a long worned out battle, even the silver blood guards upstairs were targetting me for creating chaos, so after i killed all the prisioners except for grisvar the unlucky, i started casting spells through the iron door frame to hit the silver blood guards outside, i killed them all and left through the old abandoned markarth pipes to reach for my freedom, once inside i saw an angry thonar swinging his blade at me, i swung back and got no bounty, i then submitted him to defeat and using a mod called defeat, i tied him and talked to him, he rewarded me with his family ring and then i proceeded to kill him too. This way everyone died, the only surviving members of the silverbloods is thonar's brother who is a true nord that one day in the civil war will suceede the current jarl, margret is left alive so she can go back safely to cyrodiil, dyrsten is also alive but went back to lick his wounds, grivar was a betrayer to the forsworn either way and killing him would've given me a bounty so i left him to rot in jail, all of the others died.
I refused to be arrested... now there are a dozen dead Markarth guards and I have a bounty of over 7000g on my head. I also discovered that my character is more than a match for the town guards in any hold. I could go on an unstoppable blood tirade if I were so inclined.
Forsworn have an interesting celtic aesthetic, but I almost always slaughter them because they are shown to commit human sacrifices, cannibalism, revere hagravens and other evil acts.
Hey FudgeMuppet, with the King of the Reach video and the Forsworn video, why don't you re-release the Forsworn build? Thumbs up so he can see it.... hopefully.
As much as I loathe Thonar and his family, I side with them because I feel there's less blood on my hands that way; what the Silver-Bloods do is horrible and wicked, but they don't kill indiscriminately. They send their goons to kill off threats to them directly in the vicinity of Markarth whereas the Forsworn are all over the Reach and expanding out towards the tundra of central Skyrim where they DO kill indiscriminately. Hundreds of them pick off caravans, innocent hikers, and even a young woman who just wanted to have a nice swim simply because they didn't like them being there. (Not to mention how many innocents are killed by Madanach and his friendos when they escape Cidhna Mine...) It's a rock and a hard place choice, but I think it's best to try and aim for an option that spills the least blood...Besides, you can always go back and pick off the Silver-Bloods yourself thus getting rid of BOTH sides of bad actors. ;P
I always felt the Forsworn should've been a third faction to join for some reason, and now I understand why! Edit: by "third faction", I mean other than the Nords and Imperials
I just played this quest today, one Thonar Silver Blood simply had no reaction to his wife dying. Two Nepos didn’t become hostile after the conversation, saying something along the line of “you’ll never here alive” and let me calmly leave his home. When I returned to the shrine of Talos the guards gave the interaction after some moving around. I chose to fight my way out. I made my way out and traveled for a good 30 min only to reach a border and be stopped by some guards from the reach... tossing me in the mine. Then I died in the mine trying to mine some silver. And I got sent all the way back to before I entered the shrine of Talos.
I remember the first time i did this quest, I was so angry. I just didn't understand wtf was going on. But your explanation makes it a bit more clear. Thanks, I guess...
I wish for the quest with weylin they change the responses. I dislike how the only option that says you were there is that he almost killed you when he doesn't even get the chance.
They will eventually take back what is rightfully theirs. Although, what became of the Forsworn is a much more conflicted topic. Their way of actually taking it back turned into a poorly executed mess which attracted liable recruits, thus repeating the cycle of insanity and vengeance. Theres a detailed video about this on my channel(Shameless plug)
Xith What was there's first belonged to the dwemer, then the Atmoran's/early Nords, it was only after the collapse of the first Nordic empire that they moved in
Just because the reach was handed to the Nords on a silver platter does not necessarily mean its theirs. A shame The Reachmen didn't have someone that shares god-like powers at their disposal defending them during the Invasion of the Reach by Tiber Septim in the 2nd Era. Also, racial discrimination and many of the conflicts most races share in Tamriel today was a rare occurrence throughout the Independent Kingdom of the Reachmen. Also, another thing to note, the Nords technically are the all time Aggressors of the Reach, since most of the Reach was made up of original Reachmen(Bretons) at the time when Tiber invaded.
What's discrimination got to do with anything? Who cares. Nords won, Reachmen lost, end of story. They are a conquered people, desperately clinging onto the past. Clueless savages that will never amount to anything.
Solitude’s is much worse. Roggvir didn’t do anything illegal. Ulfric challenged Torryg legally and then the imperial army wants to kill him. He is the true High King. Roggvir is innocent. Sometimes I just kill every bystander and let roggvir free. He has a scripted death tho it’s pretty sad. Then I just resurrect him or spawn him in Windhelm
+Snigga Odinson And by Nord tradition, duels between Jarls for the throne are not lethal, they are fought until one of the two is bested and combat, the victor then banishes the defeated from their lands. Ulfric commited murder the moment Torygg died.
+3,4- Methylenedioxy Perhaps if Snigga wouldn't have deleted his comments, you'd see it was provoked. Don't talk about matters you don't know anything about.
I sided with Madanach you don't have to fight your way through the city if you don't want to. I thought fighting with guards like that would end badly, so I just hung out outside the door and watched the fighting below. It was also helpful when getting Logrof the willful since they were friendly and wasn't that interested in their prisoner.
For me, every time I go through the Forsworn Conspiracy, I side with Maddinach, and after his escape he inevitably goes on a rampage and either I have to killer him, or the gaurds do... I didn’t know about the Throngar angle.... that could be fun
Uraccen "I left behind my daughter Uaile when I was taken." Dragonborn: "yeah, well, I got News for you, it turns out she was trained/raised/employed by the forsworn in assistance of Nepo and madanach" Uraccen: "what?!? No! That's not what i wanted for her!! She was supposed to have a normal youth!! Madanach assured me of that!!" Dragonborn: "and sadly enough her employance with the forsworn got her killed" Uraccen: what!?! How?!? Dragonborn: "I was at the wrong place at the wrong time when it happened, i was investigating the involvement of nepo, i confronted him in his house after a maid, your daughter, let me through to him, his staff including your daughter were forsworn operatives, halfway during our conversation the city guard burst into nepo's house and it became a confrontational massascre, besides me everyone who was forsworn was killed"
"Then the Nords came and put chains on us. Forbid us from worshipping our gods!"
Oh, how deliciously ironic
Lol.
I have a friend who vehemently supports both Stormcloaks and Madanach. Never quite understood the process
@@Fakeslimshady He supports autonomy for the native people, be it nord or reachmen, even if the stormcloaks and forsworn may be enemys. That makes quite a lot of sense.
@@illyrian9976 But Stormcloaks fight to be independent of the Empire. The Forsworn fight to establish themselves as a kingdom within the Empire. So no, it's not about native autonomy
@@Fakeslimshady How is wanting to be an independent nation or an autonomous region not wanting native rule? The Forsworn are the natives of the region so giving them a separate kingdom from Skyrim would make since since Skyrim is the nation of the Nords.
Guard- “This is the safest city in the Reach.”
Walk in and witness a murder in broad daylight as soon as you literally enter the city.😂
I mean he's not wrong, it's the only city in the reach after all
This is also the city where a cannibal cult actively operates.
@@MathMasterism and a haunted house by the most evil daedric price.
Sounds like how politicians talk about CA.
Don't forget the other, bigger Dwarven ruin under Markarth's palace with a giant spider in it (and maybe Falmer too, if I remember right)
Dragonborn: “Why are you telling me all of this?”
Nepos The Nose: *What makes you think you’re leaving here alive my boy?*
Dragonborn: the full set of ebony I'm wearing and the massive enchanted dragon great sword have something to say about that
@@MrPsych77 me abusing the “shaman” build and paralysing all of them then carving them up whilst they are helpless
Dragonborn: "So anyway, I started swing."
Dragonborn: Good , i need black souls anyway.
*laughs at mehrunes razor*
Welcome to Markarth, traveller. Safest city in the Reach
The irony
Said. No sane person. Ever.
LIES
I'm pretty sure it's the only city in the reach good sir
As long as you mind your own lol 😂
I've always found the Forsworn to be one of the most interesting factions in Skyrim.
I kind of wish the faction system in Skyrim had been done in the New Vegas style and you could side with the Forsworn, at least to some noticeable extent, similar to the Powder Gangers perhaps.
BADCompanySarge There could have been the option to make the Reach its own province of the empire if you sided with Madanach and also sides with the Empire.
Forsworn are more similar to the fiends although that would be good
Same. If I had it my way the Reach is independent and so is Skyrim.
@JoeRingo118 The reachmen are in many ways the human equivelent of the argonians, enslaved and slaughtered by just about every faction that ever encountered them, the argonians in inner Blackmarsh are pretty brutal to outsiders for the same reasons. Though the tribes that have let hagravens run them are worthy of scorn, but at the same time pity after seeing how desperate they are to free themselves of rulers that will do things like [ask any reachman in sidna mine their story].
@JoeRingo118 You do realize that the Forsworn and the Reach are a 1 for 1 comparison to the Stormcloaks and Skyrim, right? Ulfric even bartered for his religious freedom by explicitly denying independence and religious freedom of the Reachmen, the natives of the land. Stormcloak sympathetic Nords even often complain about the political corruption of Imperial coin, but you have an explicit example of such corruption by Stormcloak sympathetic Nords in the Silver-bloods.
When you play fallout 4 before Skyrim then get startled then confused as you wonder why so many characters are Nick Valentine
Ethan Hess lol I didn’t even notice it was nick valentine
I knew I recognized that voice from somewhere.
It is pretty weird hearing Nick in Skyrim. Sometimes when playing F4 l think l'm talking to Belethor.
Lol. You'll remember many people in Skyrim if you heard the voice of Desdimona.
How the fuck are you playing FO4 after Skyrim, god damn zoomers
Have to say, Braig's speech at 11:08 is excellently voiced. You really do get to empathize with his character, and although I usually don't work with the Forsworn, it shows the emotional background to the uprising very well.
Yeah that was very well done.
Its very well spoken to the point where you can tell its supposed to be fabricated. Madanach is a master manipulator- he was more than just “locked up as an asset.” Dude is too good with words and people. His buddies have been in there with him almost as long so theyve learned from him
I thought Escape from Cidhna Mine was absolutely amazing. I was so immersed in the amazing story. At the end, I helped slay some guards with the Forsworn. It was great until they ran away and I didn't realize, so I kept attacking the guards until I got a bounty. Later on, Forsworn in the wild continued to attack me. *Sigh...* Skyrim. So immersive.
I know it was such a let down. Madanach even gives you a full somewhat high quality set of Forsworn armor and then literally like two seconds later says "word of warning to you, beware the Forsworn!". I mean c'mon, I'd actually love to join them. At least to be friendly with them
Hey you probably now this now and you did comment a year ago but madanach and the rest escape to a big cave fortress and you can go live with them ( I can’t remember how to spell it haha ) if you google where they went it comes up
You don't get it do you...? Did you at least remember to bring your helmet and crayons 🖍 ?
@@TheFos88ould have been great if they was a third choice in the civil war. I was going to join the storm cloaks untilI got abuse everywhere I saw nords. I play as a dark elf so they don't like me. I joined imperials by default because of that but didn't feel any more important. The forsworn having the oldest claim to the land would have worked out nicely. It seemed a little pointless having them there but not utilising them despite letting us know what their story was. They gave us the choice to switch between the two during the civil war campaign. It would have been immense if we could have gone AWOL to pick the third option.
Same took some guards out while leaving . Made me think should I just slip away without fighting but doesn’t matter felt cool
I swear they only had four voice actors for skyrim :/
Pyro Chimp tf you mean
Jahseh Onfroy you havent noticed? .. play it again for a while and listen carefully
I can see how it seems that way but they had a lot of voice actors for example
Vladimir Kulch voiced ulfric stormcloak
Michael Hogan voiced general tullius
Joan allen voiced Delphine
Christopher plummer voiced arngeir (main grey beard
Max von sydow voicex esbern
charles dennis voiced durnehiir
claudia christain voiced Legate rikke this is only a few of the voice actors there are over 70 voice actors
ok
@123123rubbish Michael Gough
Option 3:
Step 1) Kill Madanach
Step 2) Escape the mine
Step 3) "Thank" Thonar for arranging your pardon. Collect the ring.
Step 4) Get the ebony blade
Step 5) Get the Ritual Stone blessing.
Step 6) Scour all the resurrection scrolls possible.
Step 7) become a vampire.
Step 8) get all the pickpocket enchanted items you can equip at the same time.
Step 9) visit your old friend Thonar at night.
Step 10) pickpocket his sleeping ass.
Step 11) bite his conspiring ass for blood.
Step 12) sneak attack his ass while sleeping with whatever weapon one shots him. His bodyguard wont mind what happens next as long as you haven't been detected by this step.
Step 13) revive his ass with the stone power.
Step 14) pull out the ebony blade. Get to work.
Step 15) revive his ass with a scroll. If you use a regular spell the next time you kill him he'll turn to ash and get off easy.
Step 16) repeat step 14 as many times as possible. Get your ebony blade maxed out without the guilt trip. Lol at the comments made by his bodyguard as he sees his former master brought back from the dead and killed again over and over. He might even join in putting him down!
Step 17) leave Markarth by fast travel.
Step 18) talk to the friendly courier. He will have an inheritance letter from Thonar's dumb ass.
Step 19) profit!
Calm down my guy.
You, sir, are a genius,
Who hurt you?
@@MoriShep He's not a genius. He overcomplicated an easy process.
I just back stabbed him right after he gave me mehrunes razor back XD
When I go to Markarth I save the shopper
Lucas Sabatini same here
I do too but it takes me a couple tries because everyone is attacking him so I end up hitting a guard. We know what happens from there
Lucas Sabatini same here every time I do a new playthrough I always try and save her.
As you should.
Yeah! I did that for the first time recently and it gives a bit more depth to the quest chain.
Nords: Angry at having their religious beliefs limited
Also Nords: Limits Forsworn religious beliefs
Isis?
At least the nords weren't kidnapping children for their religion
@mrpsych77 source?
@@thatguy-yn8ji the temple of debella quest you are sent to help locate a girl and she has been kidnapped by the forsworm because she has been touched by the gods. The heart of dibella quest
@@MrPsych77 yeah, then you have a bonus attack damage against the opposite gender lol
First time I arrived in Markarth and Weylin drew the dagger, I panicked because I thought he was coming at me, froze him with a shout and started smashing him with my battle axe. Then Margaret said I saved her and I was flummoxed.
Ran up behind him with a hatchet, SMASH SMASH SMASH
Totally honest...i originally thought he was dark brotherhood (back in Oblivion days, to contact the Dark Brotherhood, meant murdering an innocent.. my first was an argonian beggar...my way of cutting ties to the thieves guild... assumed twas the same first time in skyrim) so i watched...soon as i heard "forsworn", i was like "this world is not how i remember it, but lets see where the rabbit hole goes" lol
Fuck all the civialians just shout into a crowed marked was ur first response I’m actually laughing hard as fuck rn
I was watching my older brother play. As soon as that sneak thief pulled the dagger I was like, "he's going to kill that lady! kill him!" My brother put up a patronizing hand to tell me to stop jumping to conclusions. Then the sneak thief killed her and chaos ensued. I glared at him afterward and he admitted, "Well...I don't know what I expected to happen."
When I finally started a playthru on my own game I immediately leapt on that guy with my own dagger. 10 yrs on and I still make fun of his tendency for 'let's see where he's going with this....' reflexes. when it was VERY clear where he was going with that.
I was there when ulfric took their land
Markarth Guard in violated the law in whiterun
Markarth Guard You were also there when i got arrested for stealing an apple.
Hey, that's pretty good im glad he did
Michelle Gilger mhm good
These breton came after the atmorans. There nothing more than savages
I honestly never knew why Nepos was called the Nose
Until I looked at him a little closer
oy vey
Definitely one of my all time favorite quests in the game, just wish it didn't bug out so easily. Great video
Jake Bailey the first time i tried it i somehow killed the guard that was supposed to arrest me when i first entered the city and accidentally threw a fireball
The best ending for this is to be a double agent. Help the king in rags escape, but just at the last door kill each of those forsworn just before they gain the freedom they so desperately wanted. After this, when you exit and are given the silver blood ring assassinate Thonar. With this choice your then the hero as you cut off each of the bad branches. As a bonus, since the quest is completed all npcs active in it are no longer essential. So for more of a role play you can root out all of the corruption by assassinating each npc present in this little scheme.
Just like in many other quests : when no side is even barely moral… you exterminate both sides. Forsworn are terrorists. Silver-bloods are slavers. Fuck them both, they can answer for their actions in front of their gods and be punished accordingly
What I did after completion was sneak into Thonar’s room, paralyze him in his sleep, cast soul trap on him, kill him, trap his soul in a black soul gem, and use that soul gem to enchant a silver sword, I thought it was hilarious personally.
So side with him, get to the exit, get the armour, kill him, go outside, get the ring, profit, have I got it right?
i just finished that questline today, i did this but i killed the forsworn after they were already rampaging in the city
I just let the forsworn kill Thonar during their escape, I even healed some of them during the fighting and then later on (after mercilessly butchering all the other forsworn outposts and bases in the reach) I killed Madanach and his boys at their main base.
No survivors, No exceptions.
"are you going to Kill Madanach or the silverblood guy"?
Me: TWO KIDS GONNA DIE TONIGHT!
THE WRONG KID DIED!!
Wrong.
Sadly there was no continuation to the Forsworn questline like retaking the Reach or straight up beheading every member of the Silverblood family.
Besides doublecrossing both Mandanach and Thonar there also isn't any pro-imperial option.
I always killed them both, because one of them is a slaving sociopath and the other is a mad terrorist.
I get so mesmerized whenever this youtuber or Camelworks produces an Elder Scrolls video.
Assassin's Lyrics Don't forget Oxhorn and Shoddycast!
Honestly after meeting Madanach, I was 90% sure I was going to be the head of the Forsworn by the end of this quest line
I hate the forsworn so much before I got to markarth they attacked me and killed my horse. Then when I raided their cave I found horse meat. THOSE ANIMALS BUTCHERED MY HORSE! from the moment on I showed the forsworn no mercy i hunted them down and ruthlessly struck down all forsworn I could find. To avenge my sweetfoot.
Javo massacre all of them.
OK Ani
Press F to pay Respects
I killed them all. Not just the Briarhearts, but the Hag Ravens and the Level tens.
I just avoid them. I lose more horses to random dragons swooping in and carrying them off when I dismount to fight them.
Two things that hit me in the guts when I played it. Firstly, that Eltrys' wife was Rhiada, who usually gets killed when the Forsworn attack while you're talking to Thonar. Bye-bye Eltrys' wife and baby, never born. Second, Uraccen lets slip that his daughter is Uaile, who you have to kill when escaping Nepos' house. This whole quest is such a downer.
Skyrim is so deep when you look at it. On my first play through the choices seemed easy and clear. Stormcloaks, elves bad, empire bad, nords good. But on looking at the empire and the actual war then treaty, it's hard to make a decision on who to side with. Same with this. On your first run it is clear to kill Madanoch and boom you're good, but when you look closer, it's hard to chose. I love Skyrim.
The problem with Skyrim is that the choices you make hardly impact the world itself. For example, here when you read about the incident, how peaceful was the reachmen kingdom, how nords have been enslaving reachmen before and after the uprising, ulfric killing everyone reachman or not that didn't help him retake the reach and helping enslave people for the silver bloods, it's hard not to sympathize with the forsworn and help them. But then the forsworn continue to attack you, the guards at most make a comment about you, you're not wanted in the hold, etc. And that in my opinion takes away the weight of making a decision.
@@alexanderbravo5137 True. But that's on Bethesda. The Forsworn should have been a joinable faction, with their own questline and world-changing outcome, like the Stormcloaks and the Empire.
Stormcloaks we’re so egregiously racist though
"sometimes the oppressed become worse than the oppressors."
PapaBagMan never
Anonymous Raw G.M. damn bruh that's insane
Anonymous Raw G.M. damn bruh that's insane
Anonymous Raw G.M. damn bruh that's insane
Could also be said for the Stormcloaks.
A missed opportunity in Skyrim is having the Civil War quest worl like Fallout New Vegas, where your commander sends you to various cities to either gain the support of or destroy certain factions as a way of introducing quests to players. For example, Tullius has received reports of something going on in Markarth. He has an agent there, and wants you to meet up with them in the Silver Blood Inn. Well, you see her either get murdered or talk to her, and when you get to the ending, if you're with the Legion, you have a third option: convince Madanach to side with the Legion. Maybe a sort of compromise: those responsible for the atrocities committed against the Reachmen will be duly punished under Imperial law, and a section of land will be given for the Forsworn that is theirs, alongside allowing Reachmen to come and go through Markarth as they please.
I always loved the Forsworn quests. I just thought it was shitty how only one faction of Forsworn would stay friendly while the others would still try to kick my ass.
It's because every tribe governs themselves, and they all have different values. Just because their king has finally escaped Cidhna Mine doesn't mean suddenly they no longer lead themselves.
It's easy to paint them all under the same umbrella, but the reason Forsworn camps are so far apart from each other is because there's a lot of infighting over when to fight, when not to fight, what gods to worship, personal Hagraven conflicts among other things.
They're a very interesting group of wild men and women.
@@SpaceEmperorGenos I wonder if that aspect of them is inspired by Scotland's history of clan conflicts
I freed the Foresworn leader after I handed the Reach to Ulfric at the Peace Accords. My logic was to destabilize the region after getting Ulfric to trade away two holds for a single one, resulting in Ulfric suffering a net loss all while the Imperials kept their hands clean.
Ingenious. If only the game actually was that immersive and freeing Madanach had actual consequences.... Damn it Bethesda.
Please do a Skyrim lore video on what each afterlife is like, depending on who you worship. I will post this on every video uploaded after this one until it is done, or personally refused by FudgeMuppet.
As the video started, the only thing I could think was "Sorry to hear that, Nick Valentine, Mercer Frey, Mallus Maccius, Belethor..."
One of my favourite quests. Compared to most quests in Skyrim, it’s extremely detailed and full of actual story/intrigue.
The amount of Stephen Russell's voice in this questline is astonishing.
Forsworn: This place is mine
Tiber Septim: Oh yeah? I'm gonna take it
Forsworn: Dang, we lost
*A few thousand years later*
Forsworn: finally ours
Nords: Hey, that's a nice piece of land
Forsworn: Not again
7:14 take a closer look at that snout
When I do this quest I always side with Madanach UNTIL I receive the Old Gods Set. Then I kill Madanach and every other Forsworn, I exit the mine, and Thonar gives me the Silver-Blood Ring. As a completionist collector, it's the best course for me.
This is the best course of action, I never did this! I usually just kill Madanach in jail.
十三Nerdragon I do that. Then assassinate Thonar for good measure.
Interesting you can do that? I will have to try it. 😁
Pointless.
Play as a stormcloak-aligned nord(/character in general) : side with Thonar.
Play as a forsworn breton (or orc) : side with Madanach.
Play as a dunmer : side with Madanach, betray him and get both rewards.
Play as anything else and do whatever we want (just try to save Margret if you are imperial-aligned).
Roleplay 101
Play as a Imperial Loyalist Nord. Kill both.
Do whatever you want. But Thonar might be useful I guess.
@Joey Punk forsworn dont like stromclaks sute, but it was the empire that first took the reach from them.
Melchior Douzet
I just kill them
@Joey Sixx I think it doesn't make sense to ally with neither the imperials or the Stormcloacks if you are role-playing a forsworn character. Although, if you REALLY want to side with one, I'd side with the Empire... Just because... Fuck Ulfric
2:54 "Perhaps it was 1 event in a serious conspiracy"
[looks at title of the video - "Forsworn Conspiracy"]
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM?
Yeah, it's almost as if that's the subject of the video. Weird innit
Is That A Pun.
I remember from the last time I played Skyrim, I sided with Madanach, however during the escape through the Dwemer ruins, I intentionally sabotaged their escape, luring Dwarven Animunculi (The Spiders, Spheres, etc) to the group, moved them directly into the path of traps, etc. Just before the exit back into Markarth, all that was left was my Dragonborn and Madanach. I accepted the Armor of the Old Gods before I then killed him before the doors. I then exited to be rewarded by Thonar Silver-Blood. I accepted my reward of the Silver-Blood Family Ring, then I blasted Thonar in the back of the head with my Dwarven Crossbow, killing him. Afterwords I made a very quick escape from the city, returning to my explorations of Skyrim.
Correct choice probably
Centrist route
Wanna cleanse Markarth? Listen well kiddo.
Step 1) Do the Forsworn Conspiracy. Make sure you investigate all the leads before reporting to Eltrys, resulting in the maximum possible deaths of Forsworn/Silver-Blood agents.
Step 2) Do the No One Escapes Cidhna Mine quest. Kill Madanach in his cell. Then escape. Thonar will greet and reward you - when he turns away to leave, sneak up behind him and cut his throat.
Step 3) Do the main questline as normal. Give Markarth to the Stormcloaks in Season Unending.
Step 4) After the Main Questline is complete, join the Legion and drive the Stormcloaks out of Markarth. With Thongvor exiled to Windhelm and Thonar dead, the Silver-Bloods no longer hold any sway.
Step 5) Assassinate Ondolemar and his Thalmor entourage.
Step 6) Do the Taste of Death quest. Play along and lure the priest to the crypt... so you can slaughter all the cannibals.
Step 7) You have successfully driven the Forsworn leadership from Markarth, removed the Silver-Bloods from power, ended the cannibalism problem, and slaughtered the Thalmor... but your work is not yet done.
I couldn't betray Grisvar! I promised him I wouldn't kill him before talking to Madanach. And he's a nice guy!
Madanach's a bloodthirsty monster, and so is every other Forsworn in the mine. Am I sympathetic? Absolutely. But am I going to free them when they tell me the first thing they'll do is kill as many people as possible? No way. They all die.
And then Thonar dies too, for throwing me in the mine and for his blatant disrespect for life. Though his death is via assassination, of course. Wouldn't want to lose my pardon and my status as a hero of Markarth, now would I?
Well, they killed innocent people who weren't involved with the Forsworn, including that guy's daughter.
What is life's greatest illusion?
dripping wet that there is such thing as an absolute enemy.
@@drippinwet774 Um, the one where you saw a lady in half?
@@drippinwet774 When Jagar Tharn impersonated Uriel Septim, my brother.
The forsworn look like followers of Hircine
*IT REMINDS ME OF THE HUNT*
@Old Acc oh,cool
Scott is by far my favorite voice for this channel his voice keeps me entertained theres something about it. Something MAGICAL
I didn’t even know siding with the silver bloods was an option when I first did that quest. Usually I still side with the foresworn though, especially cuz the ring you get as a reward is nothing special whereas the armor of the old gods is a unique set
i kill madanach and his friends after he gives me the armour, then you get the ring after
I remember this quest... it's how one murder in Markarth escalated to a genocide of the entire province by a rampaging dragonborn. (I killed all the guards because that's what usually happens when I get arrested and can't talk my way out, and killed them gladly this time because they were actually corrupt) then I decided "fuck it, if I'm going to kill everyone in one hold, might as well kill everyone, period. None of the NPCs treat me with respect anyway." so I broke out of Markarth while riding a dragon, then I fast traveled to each major city, and slaughtered everybody, no survivors... well, except for the essential characters.
This is one of my favorite quests. I love investigations
You forgot my favorite ending;
The Justice ending:
Both Thoronar and Madanach's hands are stained black with the blood of countless men.
As they fight each other, deliver them both to Arkay, cut the head off the hatred orobourous.
I soul trapped both of them and used Thonar's soul to enchant a Silver necklace and Madanach's soul to enchant an Orcish Sword.
Difference is, Madanach is in the right.
@@Mare_Man They go on to kill random innocents, and the Forsworn outside the gates still kill you and presumably continue their horrid kidnapping and ritual sacrifice.
I love the Forsworn, but they're not in the right. Don't even pretend they are.
@@TheSpiritsLease The blame for the current state of the Forsworn can be put squarely on the Jarl and that murderer Ulfric. The Forsworn are reduced to banditry in their own homeland and turn to the Hagravens for an edge against their oppressors, and the hags demand a price.
Madanach treated the Nords fairly, apart from bastards like the Silver-Bloods.
@@Mare_Man And that makes them killing random people okay how?
The Stormcloaks ironically haven't done that on purpose, and if they did, it's not on a scale of frequency as The Forsworn. And they're giant assholes to anyone but themselves.
Also, need I remind you The Reachmen of old tried to Anchor fucking Molag Bal to Tamriel?
After the first time I went through this quest, I always play it the same way. Side with Madanach until we get through the ruins, get the fancy old god dear, then kill him. Thonar shows up and give me his fancy ring, gets killed by the foresworn mob, I help kill the foresworn. Evil is punished, and I gets ALLLLLLLLLLLLL that sweet sweet loot.
This man makes his cake, eats it, and then eats everyone elses cake too.
You sound like Oxhorn. "The full story of ____"
Skooma and Moonsugar?
I literally shot my head up as soon as I heard Nick Valentine. I flipped thinking he was hidden in Skyrim. Then I remembered... Skyrim had like 3 voice actors in their game.
Skyrim the best rpg it never gets boring and modders only make it more amazing
Deathlord 92 truth
I don't enjoy how they simplified literally everything down from previous elder scrolls titles. Enchanting, alchemy, the armor, weapons, and even the attributes have all been simplified so much to appeal to a broader audience. A lot of the quest were lackluster and not memorable. It was an okay game but not near as great as it's predecessors. Dragon Age was a great RPG
Best RPG? No not by a long shot, it is an exceptional game, and an alright RPG, but best? Nah.
Deathlord 92 it is so boring
My game's far better
This was one of the first quests I went through the first time I played Skyrim (after not really playing video games before), and boy, was I in over my head.
One of the BEST ♥quest in skyrim like TOP 10 but I always save the lady b4 she can be slane and I side with the Forsworn plus the armor they give u is AWESOME
The Empire should give the Reach to the Orcs. Both Reachmen and Nords are batshit crazy
Other than the "everybody sucks" aspect, this isn't much of a moral dilemma. The Silverbloods, bad as they are, generally don't enslave and kill innocent people or kidnap children as sacrifices to friggin' Hagravens. They certainly don't seem to be all about constructing a whole kingdom out of that. But even if there were a moral equivalency, the Nords are more civilized than the useless Reachmen. You can buy useful stuff from Nords, while the Forsworn mostly just drop crappy loot. Not a contest, Skyrim for the Nords.
Alternatively, you can initially join the forsworn, get the unique forsworn gear, and then stab Madanach in the back, when his men are not close. When you exit the mine, the forsworn will attack you, but you can overpower them with the help of the Markarth guards. This way you will also receive the silver-blood ring. As far as i know, there are no complications, bugs, anomalies caused in the story by this.
I can see almost an exact replica to Irish history in this storyline. A group of guerrilla fighters trying to claim back their home, an uprising while the occupiers were at war, mass executions and imprisonment, organising the cause from behind bars to show strength. Mental tbh but maybe I’m just a nerd
I sided with Madanok (don't think I spelled it right) because I like to play as a Breton who supports the Reach CX
The Forsworn are my favourite Skyrim faction! I wish I could be a Forsworn for a whole game playthrough!
most forsworn are usually brentan
I wish the Forsworn were a faction you could actually align with in Skyrim. Definitely easier to sympathize with than either the Imperials or the Stormcloaks
I mean technically the stormcloaks and the forsworn have the same exact goals
The Forsworn absolutely kill children though. There are no good choices here.
Wish I could give Markarth to the Orcs.
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@@7GamesUnlimited7 not quite: the stormcloaks want to separate from the empire to worship the ascended founder of the empire (confusing as fuck goal but whatever) and to ensure no one who isn't a nord has any real power in skyrim, if they are allowed to live at all in skyrim (the rank and file aren't exactly subtle about their hatred for anyone not nord and openly discuss literally this as an after war plan). The forsworn want a kingdom but its unclear if that means a kingdom like highrock within the empire, a kingdom like the stormcloaks want that exists outside the empire, or something akin to the orc strongholds (I mean, we hear the forsworn king has united the forsworn but... has he? If they were that strong, why not raid markarth again? They should have the numbers and skyrim is in a civil war with a manipulative third party who want it to continue indefinitely. This is literally their best chance ever) and engage in some light human sacrifice. Depending on the actual structure of forsworn independence, it could be pretty different from stormcloak success. It could also be less violent than if the stormcloaks just genocided all the elves from their lands as they openly discuss (yes, I am saying the human sacrifices are less violent than literally genocide, fight me).
Not sure either are good but, assuming stormcloaks aren't just full of meaningless talk, one seems more egalitarian and likely less violent. If they join up with the empire, well, Tiber septim's empire tolerated dunmer slavery. I'm not sure if human sacrifice is too far or if it's like slavery and generally outlawed but not in one region. Then again, forsworn have never been accepted and dunmer generally are and 3rd era empire eventually got rid of slavery in morrowind too, so...
There is no Forsworn conspiracy = There is no war in Ba Sing Se
I wish the forsworn had been by default a joinable faction. Perhaps you could help lead them to victory in battle, defeating imperial and stormcloak forces alike to drive them from the reach. Perhaps you could ally with either of the 2 major factions to secure an independent reach. Maybe even negotiate a covert arrangement with the thalmor for equipment and provisions in exchange for further diverting imperial resources and subverting stormcloak ambitions in the area. Seeing the forsworn grow from a ragtag guerrilla band into a formidable army would be amazing.
I'll never get over the amount of nostalgia I get from these videos... frankly it's almost overwhelming. I miss when games were good, and no seriously they used to be different. There was a soul to the games that were made 10+ yrs ago
I prefer siding with Madanach because Thonar is a corrupt prick and I like the way Druadach Redoubt becomes full of friendly Forsworn. Mind, it's worth mentioning you can kill Thonar if you sided with him as he loses his essential status after completion of this quest. It essentially allows for a "third option" in sense, where you refuse to side with the Forsworn whilst also double crossing the puppetmaster.
I helped Madanach escape and killed the guards and others in the city, then went to the redoubt to kill Madanach and his followers. I had to get rid of the corruption in the city and then get rid of the anarchy in the reach. It was the only way for me.
Since the Forsworn never stop trying to kill you even if you help the King in Rags escape in this quest, you might as well choose to kill them all.
There is also a small sidequest named "Sanuarach Mine" related to the Forsworn and Silver-Bloods.
8:40 fun fact: If you try to fight back, one of the guards is *much* stronger than any other guard in the game.
Really? In my first run i use Sanguin rose and kipl all marcarth guards with my companion and daedra
Yep... Met my bloody end to his hand many a save. I remembered thinking "what the hell, this guy is so beefy!" And now I know why. Thanks!
Useful tip for unique item collectors: If you escape chidna mine with the king of rags until you get the old God's armour set kill the king of rags to obtain the silver blood ring.
I did side with the prisoners the first time playing through this quest, however as soon as the quest had ended, they attacked me, so the second time I did the quest I decided to just murder them all in werewolf form and get on with life. Two different saves btw, not the same.
One of the best quests in Skyrim cause these conspiracies happen all the time in the real world, it’s the most realistic and one of the most complex quests about land, settlements and disputes
Too much overthinking on this.
Murder your way through this quest in a reasonable manor and everything works out fine.
Murder Nepo and his people.
Murder the corrupt gaurds.
Murder The King in rags and his crew.
Get your reward from Thonar then hack him to peices.
The Skyrim way....
My favourite part of this quest is killing all the infiltrated forsworn in Thonnar's house before talking to him. If you do it, his wife will still die, but for no reason at all. Basically she "dies from death" which is fucking hilarious because Thonnar's script won't even change, still blaming the forsworn and all.
In the first 30 seconds, I imagined Lucan the Riverwood Trader
The forsworn conspiracy is definitely one of my favorite skyrim quests
Good work again Scott and fudge muppet, so now I have to role play a forsworn character lol :) thank you again. Wish i could free camera on console:( :)
Uccaren talks about his daughter, not moments ago his daughter was killed.
Though one time, in a playthrough where I destroyed the Dark Brotherhood then married Muiri by furying Bothella then investing with Muiri when she took over the shop. Met Odvan later in the mine, "I wonder how Grandmother Bothella is doing. Probably worried sick." Don't worry, she isn't worried or sick.
For anyone else wondering what race Reachmen are, since they are in Skyrim but talk about "the Nords", I checked it out: ethnically speaking (and for game mechanics too) Reachmen are Bretons, but culturally speaking they're considered a different group, as neither Bretons nor Reachmen consider Reachmen to be Bretons.
Bretons but from daggerfall
I love how he says he won't tell you what the right decision is, but by the end of the video he's all like "Another reason to take out that conniving nord." Can't blame him though, I do the same thing pretty much every time.
I usually side with madanoch until he kills thematic, and then I turn on them. They're all horrible.
Was it ever explained how the orders got from Madanach to Nepos.
Seems Thonar was using them as his sort of personal assassins in exchange Madanach could also give his own orders as long as they didn't attack the Silver Bloods. Also appears that the Forsworn(even Nepos) don't know that Madanach is taking some of the orders from Thonar. As far as Nepos knows Weylin attacking Margaret was Madanach's order as much as Ildene attacking Betrid was.
I had this idea.
Thonar knows about the tunnel. That's clear, he's waiting at the exit whichever option you take. He doesn't need to use it though, his mercenaries can give Madanach notes from Thonar. Somebody serving the Silver-Bloods who is actually a Forsworn agent has a key to the Markarth ruins. Say Kaie for example. Maybe somebody emerged from the tunnel on day, Thonar or a mercenary, sure to be in plain view of Kaie, and "accidentally" dropped the key. Now Kaie thinks she has access to Madanach. She goes in, speaks to him, gets the orders thinking they are all his, some will be, some are from Thonar. She then leaves and gives the orders to Nepos to carry out.
Maybe at some point she made a copy of the key to give to him.
This way Nepos has an agent that he thinks is fooling Thonar and getting orders directly from Madanach, the agent thinks this as well, but Madanach's orders are also mixed in with Thonar's.
I did this in a way no one has done.
I killed weylin, let margret survive, talked to eltrys, went to the miners, asked for info on weylin, got to the warrens, bribed the key passer, went to weylin's room, got the note, fought dyrstren, made him submit got the lead on nepos, returned to eltrys to get a juicy 1000 septim reward, left to find info on margret, grabbed the key to her room that was on the counter next to kleppr in the silverblood inn, went to her room, stole her diary, got threatened by a guard to stop snooping, returned to eltrys with the info on the diary, he paid me 1200 septims this time, then went to the treasury house, bribed the maid to let me pass, confronted thonar, his wife got murdered and zombified, killed his servants and his wife turned to ash, confronted him one more time, he revealed the truth, left to face nepos next, ualei didn't want me to go inside, nepos granted my wish, confronted him, he told me everything, afterwards i killed his 3 servants and him, left to go back to eltrys, found him dead inside, guards said i was under arrest, i submitted to them, got dragged off to cidhna mine, while inside i approached borkul i persuaded him to let me talk directly to madanach, once inside madanach asked me what it was that I wanted, I said "let's start with revenge", this angered madanach and i killed him, shortly after i read his message about an abandoned pipeline i heard the other prisioners that were on his side approaching me to investigate the screams, i killed them in a long worned out battle, even the silver blood guards upstairs were targetting me for creating chaos, so after i killed all the prisioners except for grisvar the unlucky, i started casting spells through the iron door frame to hit the silver blood guards outside, i killed them all and left through the old abandoned markarth pipes to reach for my freedom, once inside i saw an angry thonar swinging his blade at me, i swung back and got no bounty, i then submitted him to defeat and using a mod called defeat, i tied him and talked to him, he rewarded me with his family ring and then i proceeded to kill him too.
This way everyone died, the only surviving members of the silverbloods is thonar's brother who is a true nord that one day in the civil war will suceede the current jarl, margret is left alive so she can go back safely to cyrodiil, dyrsten is also alive but went back to lick his wounds, grivar was a betrayer to the forsworn either way and killing him would've given me a bounty so i left him to rot in jail, all of the others died.
I refused to be arrested... now there are a dozen dead Markarth guards and I have a bounty of over 7000g on my head.
I also discovered that my character is more than a match for the town guards in any hold. I could go on an unstoppable blood tirade if I were so inclined.
It sucks we're not given the same option to kill Maven Black Briar.
I didnt realize just how much voice actors were reused in skyrim , still love the game , I can only picture Mercer frey when I hear that voice
Why is nick valentine talking about gods in the benigininginging
Forsworn have an interesting celtic aesthetic, but I almost always slaughter them because they are shown to commit human sacrifices, cannibalism, revere hagravens and other evil acts.
Hey FudgeMuppet, with the King of the Reach video and the Forsworn video, why don't you re-release the Forsworn build?
Thumbs up so he can see it.... hopefully.
As much as I loathe Thonar and his family, I side with them because I feel there's less blood on my hands that way; what the Silver-Bloods do is horrible and wicked, but they don't kill indiscriminately. They send their goons to kill off threats to them directly in the vicinity of Markarth whereas the Forsworn are all over the Reach and expanding out towards the tundra of central Skyrim where they DO kill indiscriminately. Hundreds of them pick off caravans, innocent hikers, and even a young woman who just wanted to have a nice swim simply because they didn't like them being there. (Not to mention how many innocents are killed by Madanach and his friendos when they escape Cidhna Mine...)
It's a rock and a hard place choice, but I think it's best to try and aim for an option that spills the least blood...Besides, you can always go back and pick off the Silver-Bloods yourself thus getting rid of BOTH sides of bad actors. ;P
I always felt the Forsworn should've been a third faction to join for some reason, and now I understand why!
Edit: by "third faction", I mean other than the Nords and Imperials
I just played this quest today, one Thonar Silver Blood simply had no reaction to his wife dying. Two Nepos didn’t become hostile after the conversation, saying something along the line of “you’ll never here alive” and let me calmly leave his home. When I returned to the shrine of Talos the guards gave the interaction after some moving around. I chose to fight my way out. I made my way out and traveled for a good 30 min only to reach a border and be stopped by some guards from the reach... tossing me in the mine. Then I died in the mine trying to mine some silver. And I got sent all the way back to before I entered the shrine of Talos.
Oh and I had to pickpocket the journal from Thonar.
I remember the first time i did this quest, I was so angry. I just didn't understand wtf was going on. But your explanation makes it a bit more clear. Thanks, I guess...
Yea I was kinda pissed when I ran into this mess too.
The fact that the forsworn will still attack you even if you save their King goes to show that joining the forsworn is a pointless choice.
has anyone also played this that many times they just kill the guy before he kills that wahmen
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Hey, that's pretty good
was it really that bad
dam u feisty lil thang
Name jef
Since my first play through I always try to save the women.
I wish for the quest with weylin they change the responses. I dislike how the only option that says you were there is that he almost killed you when he doesn't even get the chance.
They will eventually take back what is rightfully theirs. Although, what became of the Forsworn is a much more conflicted topic. Their way of actually taking it back turned into a poorly executed mess which attracted liable recruits, thus repeating the cycle of insanity and vengeance. Theres a detailed video about this on my channel(Shameless plug)
Xith
What was there's first belonged to the dwemer, then the Atmoran's/early Nords, it was only after the collapse of the first Nordic empire that they moved in
The_Drop Bear Yes, I explained all of that in my video about who the reach truly belongs to.
Who was first doesn't matter, the Nords conquered the land and made it rightfully theirs.
Just because the reach was handed to the Nords on a silver platter does not necessarily mean its theirs. A shame The Reachmen didn't have someone that shares god-like powers at their disposal defending them during the Invasion of the Reach by Tiber Septim in the 2nd Era. Also, racial discrimination and many of the conflicts most races share in Tamriel today was a rare occurrence throughout the Independent Kingdom of the Reachmen. Also, another thing to note, the Nords technically are the all time Aggressors of the Reach, since most of the Reach was made up of original Reachmen(Bretons) at the time when Tiber invaded.
What's discrimination got to do with anything? Who cares. Nords won, Reachmen lost, end of story. They are a conquered people, desperately clinging onto the past. Clueless savages that will never amount to anything.
They couldn't have been bothered to get a different voice actor for braig then they did for maddanacht, and Mercer, and Enthir, and Belathor...
Solitude’s is much worse. Roggvir didn’t do anything illegal. Ulfric challenged Torryg legally and then the imperial army wants to kill him. He is the true High King. Roggvir is innocent. Sometimes I just kill every bystander and let roggvir free. He has a scripted death tho it’s pretty sad. Then I just resurrect him or spawn him in Windhelm
Ulfric commited murder, Roggvir, by aiding a murderer in his escape, commited treason.
+Snigga Odinson
And by Nord tradition, duels between Jarls for the throne are not lethal, they are fought until one of the two is bested and combat, the victor then banishes the defeated from their lands.
Ulfric commited murder the moment Torygg died.
+Snigga Odinson
Typical answer from an ignorant twat who has no clue what he's talking about.
The Forgotten Hero you come off as a dick, regardless of whether your point is valid
+3,4- Methylenedioxy
Perhaps if Snigga wouldn't have deleted his comments, you'd see it was provoked.
Don't talk about matters you don't know anything about.
I sided with Madanach you don't have to fight your way through the city if you don't want to. I thought fighting with guards like that would end badly, so I just hung out outside the door and watched the fighting below.
It was also helpful when getting Logrof the willful since they were friendly and wasn't that interested in their prisoner.
For me, every time I go through the Forsworn Conspiracy, I side with Maddinach, and after his escape he inevitably goes on a rampage and either I have to killer him, or the gaurds do... I didn’t know about the Throngar angle.... that could be fun
Uraccen "I left behind my daughter Uaile when I was taken."
Dragonborn: "yeah, well, I got News for you, it turns out she was trained/raised/employed by the forsworn in assistance of Nepo and madanach"
Uraccen: "what?!? No! That's not what i wanted for her!! She was supposed to have a normal youth!! Madanach assured me of that!!"
Dragonborn: "and sadly enough her employance with the forsworn got her killed"
Uraccen: what!?! How?!?
Dragonborn: "I was at the wrong place at the wrong time when it happened, i was investigating the involvement of nepo, i confronted him in his house after a maid, your daughter, let me through to him, his staff including your daughter were forsworn operatives, halfway during our conversation the city guard burst into nepo's house and it became a confrontational massascre, besides me everyone who was forsworn was killed"