This Is What Would Have Happened if Shepard STAYED DEAD in Mass Effect 2
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Today we're asking the tough questions. What if Shepard was never resurrected by the Lazarus Project in Mass Effect 2? How would Shepards absence affect the story in Mass Effect 3? This is an interesting question which i've been meaning to answer for some time now.
These are just my own theories & opinions.
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as suggested by shepard said, TIM could've paid an army for what he rebuilt Shep for, but he was much more worth than that. The only small good piece of action illusive man does through out game. Reviving Shepard.
TIM couldn't he was indoctrinated.
@@littlemouse7066 During ME2 he was not. If he was, He wouldnt have brought Shepard back.
He gets indoctrinated between ME2-ME3 or simply during ME3 as he more and more uses Reaper tech without fully understanding it.
@@Kronosfobi I was referring to controlling the reapers maybe my comment was misplaced. TIM wanted to control the Reapers but he couldn't because at that point in ME3 he was indoctinated this is said in the conversation between Shep and the catalyst.
@@littlemouse7066 yeah I misunderstood your comment as if TIM was indoctrinated since ME2 my bad.
If Shepard stayed dead in ME2, Javik will continue a long sleep and perhaps, be woken up by the next cycle ^^
Like a little freezer burned prothean hamburger in the back of the freezer ❤
Thought I'd add a couple of points: the clone doesn't seem to have Shepard's memories, directly; as it says that it took six months of neural implanting, just to learn how to 'human'. I'd presume it just read up on Shep's exploits, whilst learning. And the Virmire survivor was only on Horizon because the Alliance was looking into rumours of Shepard's return: without Shepard, they wouldn't be there... Flip that around for Tali & Garrus, though; since without our help, they'd both have been killed on the missions we find them on...
Yeah, if Shepard is dead, VS isn't on Horizon. What happens then, though? Hard to say. They do become the second human Spectre, so while they wouldn't know to have Mordin to start the whole plan to stop the Collectors, they could have been arguably sent to stop the Arrival and maaaaybe pull off at least parts of ME3. With a lot more casualties, but still.
@@ArakkoaChronicles Doubtful.
They became a second spectre during ME3 because Udina needed them to overthrow the council. He used the Reaper invasion (which was something Council didnt even believe till ME3) as a excuse and claimed they needed all the help they could get.
Without Shepard, There is simply no time for Anderson to be stuck on earth, Udina to takeover his position as councillor and promote Ash/Kaidan to spectre.
Without Shepard, there is no united front against Reapers AND the invasion starts 6-7 months earlier.
@@Kronosfobi It's not about the title, it's about their capacity for near-Shepard level shenanigans. Any canon squadmate is an exceptional soldier.
@@ArakkoaChronicles Kaidan/Ashley are not.
We saw them get trashed by a robot at the start of ME3,
We saw them get immidietly captured very early on at ME2,
They also lack half the experience Shepard has gained over the N7 training program and as a commander over the years which is a HUGE deal.
Shepard for all intents and purposes has a thick, good ole fashioned plot armor that saves the lad/lass countless times.
Ashley/Kaidan are good characters during ME3, But they are not Shepard.
N7 program alone is a big difference. Kaidan and Ashley are soldiers, not leaders.
Just because you can shoot straight doesnt give you skill or the experience to lead an army/squad.
Yet even as a soldier they are not on par with Shepard enough to replace em.
I kind of want to know how the human reaper would've worked had it been done. Would it fly around Superman style? That would be cool. As for who would step up, Conrad Verner of course.
The human-looking skeleton would only be the base, the rest of the Reaper would still look like any other Reaper capital ship if it was completed. As EDI said, it was basically just an embryo.
The clone only turned the way he/she was because Cerberus abandoned him/her after successfully bringing back Shepard. If they failed to bring back the original Shepard they would have invested in the clone and probably trained it the right way.
I have to agree with you. Without Shepard alive, the galaxy would be totally screwed. Great video nonetheless!
That would explain why none of the other cycles succeeded...
Liara and Hackett would probably work together in a similar fashion without Shepard, so there would likely be some kind of structured resistance. Maybe they would even be more desperate with Shepard dead and would actually find the crucible plans earlier.
But like you said, without Shepard galactic leadership they would stand alone, not being able to finish the project in time
It would have been interesting if you had included the Collectors/Reapers gaining Shepard's remains (which was the Shadow Broker's goal in the race for the body).
6:30 And then the Geth Heretics would go on to corrupt Legion and the units/programs in the original Geth Consensus which would further bolster their forces.
"You can fight like a krogan, run like a leopard
But you'll never be better than Commander Shepard"
Nothing happens. The real hero of the story is Admiral Hackett, and he will find another person to run his errands:D
hah true
Man I was waiting on Hackett to ask Shepard to get his dry cleaning.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 "Shepard its on Omega at Harrot's. You're the only one who can do this."
@@Shuhua1999 "message coming in, patching it through."
@@elliotfiresf7298 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Harbinger: This hurts me *sad space squid noises*
Mrhulthen Do more what ifs. I like these videos that go into these topics I look forward to seeing more in the future.
I'd say if Shep couldn't be revived, TIM would send cryptic hints/clues to the Alliance/Virmire survivor, much like he did to get them there on Horizon. They suspected Shep was working for Cerberus, remember?
And then Ash/Kaidan would take over. They get Spectre status in 3 anyway, so they'd have the authority to do the same stuff with diplomacy or whatever. It probably wouldn't go as well, just like with other replacements in 3… but I think it could be done.
Otherwise, TIM would recruit Archangel. He knows Archangel had his own team and was damn good with it, almost taking down Omega. He has the dossier right from the start.
TIM always have a back up plans
This assumes Garrus lives his skirmishes with the omega gangs. All 3 were on him and he was the last of the small group he made while Shep was gone. If I remember correctly you help him drive them back. Take Shep out of the picture, I can’t see Garrus surviving. Even as amazing as he is.
@@derekmaldonado4672 Miranda, Jacob and Zaeed would help him out. They're all right there from the start. Jacob easily follows Miranda around and Zaeed is paid to.
@@GoodOldGamer I was about to say Zaeed could take shepherds place then I remembered he’s almost as bad as Chris redfield for his whole team dying around him.
@@GoodOldGamer I’m pretty sure Garrus wouldn’t trust anything Cerberus does since they have a reputation as a terrorist organization. Zaeed on the other hand follows wherever the fortune goes.
3:29 Pretty sure the survivor was stationed on Horizon 'because' of the rumours that Shepard was alive and working for Cerberus. Now I may be wrong but if I am right this seems like a 'huge' flaw in this scenario.
Duuuude, you forgot to mention a scenario that would've likely happened. When Shepard is on the Collector ship, they're talking about how "the Collectors could take every human from the Terminus Systems and not have enough to fill all the pods" and that "they're gonna hit Earth".
So just months before the Reaper invasion, Earth would've likely also had to deal with a Collector invasion.
Didn't even think about that they would have been so fucked when the reapers came litterally would have stroled though the alpha relay ran everyone ones pockets and dipped 😭😭🤣
As powerfull as a Collector ship is it still gets destroyed by the Normandy. Even if you don't install any upgrade at all.
When the Reapers attack Earth the planet is defended by at least 3 fleets under Hakket's command. That's more than enough to crush some Collector ships. And you can bet your ass that at least a few ships are outfitted with thanix canons since the Turians and Humans are working together since the events ME 1.
The Collectors are not as powerfull as the Reapers they are their slaves and I highly doubt that the Reapers kept enough indoctrinated Protheans/Collectors including ships to call it an armada.
It's more likely that the Collectors would've come to Earth in order to harvest humanity after the Reapers crushed most of the resistence.
I remember your video what happens if Shepard dies at the end of ME 2 and you putting in footage playing as joker in ME 3 only to reveal its a custom created shapard but imagine if we did play as joking in ME 3 that's a video that I'd like to see
Maybe Tim fixes joker up he still lips around everywhere but he's able to fight
Or he commands from the Normandy and get the crew the fight on the ground they trust him cause he's been in the fight from the start
Or possibly upload his brain to a ai body so he can fight at 100% also makes the relationship between him and edi take on an interesting turn as both of them get used to their new body's and they come to understand eachother better
I remember the first time I played ME2 and Shepard died at the start I was like "well shit, they went there, that's epic." Then they revived him and I was like "why even bother killing him then? Just make him really badly injured."
I disagree that the clone Shepard would’ve been inherently bad. He turned bad because he was disposed as second class asset behind the real Shepard.
If he wakes up to take the role of the real Shepard, then he builds an entirely different personality.
Regardless of it, they never explained where did the clone get N7 training. They only cloned his body, not his skills and knowledge.
Since he had like 6months of training maximum (most of it is spent on conspiring and not training), he should be a very weak enemy.
I suspect they had the N7 training the same way that Grunt got his training. Which is probably also how C!Shepard had the original's memories (cloning doesn't work that way).
If that is the case, then it's still a more flawed version of Shepard. These are not memories C!Shepard experienced, it would be more analogious to reading them from a book.
I think that would make C!Shepard more suseptable to Cerberus loyalty and ideology, a fatal weakness given what happens when the Reapers arrive.
Not to mention, this would be a Shepard more prone to dying in the suicide mission. They wouldn't necessarily have the noble resolve to hold against overwhelming odds in the Skyllian Blitz, the mental fortitude to survive Akuze, or the savage determination to devastate Torfan. They wouldn't necessarily have the indefinable quality that caused Nihlus to nominate the original Shepard as a SPECTRE.
For C!Shepard, the Collector base would BE their Blitz, their Akuze, their Torfan. And I think we can agree, the Collector base carried a much greater risk of failure compared to those events.
Especially if this is a Shepard who doesn't help Garrus track down Sidonus, whom doesn't defend Tali to her people, whom Miranda doesn't feel comfortable asking for help with Oriana.
They do point out that the clone only learned how to function through neural implants, meaning it's probably Brooks' influence that made a "bad" Shepard.
Since they can apparently tank-teach N7 level combat training (and VI simulate N7s in the Armax arena), Cerberus would have been able to grow a squad of Shepards of every combat class if they'd tried.
@@TheChabowski That’s how a generic soldier could be trained.
If tanks and simulators could mass produce N7 soldiers, Shepard wouldn’t be unique in first place.
Without these, clone Shepard would be on a level of a 6 month baby, learning what object permanence is. With these tools, it is possible to grow basic soldiers, which Shepard kills 50 per mission.
I think Miranda could still assemble some type of team together; but a team where their personal problems are mostly not solved, but I don't see Jack as a good example to use for leadership skills since she's just the 22nd century version of a Karen, she gets pissed off at everything. She wasn't really needed on the team, you already have 3 Biotics such as Miranda, Jacob, and Samara (although depending on how you have Shepard acting, he's not always the best leader). Garrus might come close, but still the leadership skills and the personality traits that Shepard had (giving speeches, talking one on one with the others, helping them with their problems and the history he had with everything else) would be very hard to replace. If Miranda, Garrus and a few others could somehow pull it off, there would probably be a lot of casualties after the final battle. But that's just dealing with the Omega 4 Relay mission, almost everything else in the galaxy would be a mess, but that's what happens you write one character into basically becoming the messiah.
Hang on, you said the virmire survivor would have died on horizon, but weren't they only on horizon because they were secretly investigating rumors of Shepards activities? So if Shepard never came back, they would not have been there. Now where they would be and what they would be doing is impossible to say, but they would have been alive to potentially step in to Shepards shoes.
Yeah, but they still would've been a less effective replacement even in the best case.
@@michaeledmunds7056 oh, definitely, not trying to argue either of them would do well on Shepard shoes. The only one who could replace Shepard is garrus. He may not be able to stop the reapers like Shepard did, but he will at least put up a hell of a fight.
Tbh I think they'd still be running around taking orders from the Alliance.
Maybe Conrad Verner and Ethan Jeong would easily form up a squad and dunk on the Reapers
Lmao
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The Illusive man could have fixed Joker like Shepard or Kai leng. Why didn't they?
good question xD
I assume too expensive and a big time commitment of a project. They would have to reconstruct from the ground up and give him a whole new skeletal system. It took years for Shepard to be rebuilt. Plus Joker is a pilot first that would need physical training and time to get adjusted to a new body his brain may not even recognize. He’s so much more valuable as a pilot vs a soldier in combat even with a new set of bones.
Illusive man would come to the realization that he has to peel his ass out of his chair and do it himself.
*Cue epic training montage*
What about James Vega?
Isn't the Paragon Lost Movie a better retelling of Vega's background, then the exposition you get from him in ME3 if you at least communicate with him?
He did go against the Collectors in his movie and got the Intel on them, all while losing the colonists on Fehl Prime. In a way, he is a peg below Commander Shepard, enough to get home noticed by the Alliance Brass
Paragon Lost made me appreciate James so much more, he is definitely one of the better human crewmates. Right up there with Miranda, Joker, Kaidan and Jack.
James story could be seen as a parallel to how Shepard got his start, especially if you take the ruthless background. Shepard even straight up tells James everyone who's an N7 has sacrificed. that all being said, James did get tossed by Shepard (if you took the paragon interrupt)
The whole galaxy gets harvested and the cycle starts over. Javik stated that Shepard is the avatar of victory , therefore there would be no one to lead the galaxy to victory. Maybe next time…
Don't forget Garrus would have probably been overwhelmed and killed by the gangs of omega.
The vorcha would have been too much for Mordin to handle alone and mixed with the blue sun's taking over probably would have led to his death and the continued spread of the plague. Which would probably lead to Arias death
Grunt wouldn't have been saved or become a member of clan urdonot, leaving them significantly weaker. Other clans never liked Wrexs plan and I don't think it would have been long before going to war with Wherloc ultimately leading to his death.
Thane never reunites with his son and would eventually die alone
Jack says in ice prison
Miranda's sister would have been taken by her father
Samara kills the cops for trying to detain her and continues hunting Morinth while she keeps killing.
Tali and Reeger would die on Halestrom after being pinned by geth (if Tali even could survive freedoms progress without Shepard killing the mec)
Javik ends up in cereberus hands If he's found at all
Udina could have successfully killed the council of cereberus goes forward with that plan down the road.
Legion spent his time tracking Sheppard so without him what does Legion do? Fight the old machines until he's kidnapped and trapped as that becan thing forever?
The Andromeda plan would never have had the time to come to pass if Sheppard dies so that's out (maybe for the best)
Basically if Shepard really died noone would be having a good time.
Love the video would really love to you come up with different ways thing could have unfolded throughout the story if one thing or another was different.
Pretty much this. No revived Shepard in ME2 means the Milky Way gets fubared as soon as the Reapers come through the Alpha relay. Key players would be out of the picture and the galaxy at large would be utterly unprepared.
@@Bateluer unprepared is an understatement. If you don't count what Sheppards' crew did in ME2 there was no official preparation at all. Even then I wouldn't say they were preparing for it they were just trying to prevent the invasion from coming as soon as I could have.
The wacky thing about all this is that it really doesn't feel that outlandish for Shepard to be this important to the galaxy. The gameplay feels grounded and that making a mistake leads to your death. And the technology lends to that realism as well. Having energy shields and medicine that instantly heals wounds makes someone like Shepard's survival despite the overwhelming odds feel believable. That's something I really like about these games.
Jack would be a mindless puppet for Cerberus. If you don't take her out of cryo in me2. She becomes an enemy to fight at the Cerberus base in me3
This is pretty much the exact opposite of the question I asked a couple days ago on twitter XD. What a coincidence! :D
Great video as always MrHulten!
I always wondered what the human reaper would of looked like lumbering around in-game. I think it was a missed opportunity to not have ANOTHER human reaper showing up in the end part with harbinger, it really would of sold the brutality of what's happened to earth and humanity and it would be horrifying lmao
Another thing I feel is a missed opportunity is not having a mission that takes us inside one of the reaper processing ships. That would of really sold just how gruesome things really were on the reapers side of things. We only really see this when we try to get to the control platform of the citadel.
Basically Garrus saves the galaxy when he takes the Reapers home to show them his very big gun.
What if Shepard's success was the Catalyst's plan the entire time? The actions and voice lines of the Reapers do appear to be in contrast to what the Catalyst says and was purposed for. Thus, what if the Catalyst started seeing itself as part of the problem it was supposed to create and therefor started grooming Shepard as a sort of force to complete its mission. Way too many of the missions go 'just right' for Shepard narroratively, so it would make sense that the Catalyst may have been manipulating things from the shadows to make sure that the Crucible was built and a person 'worthy' of making the final decision was at the final battle. After all, the Catalyst is effectively the citadel, so if the Catalyst truly wanted things to go as 'normal' for the cycle, it could have just indoctrinated everyone aboard the Citadel once the Reaper invasion began, as all other Reaper tech has been shown to have the capacity to do.
We all know Joker would have simply broken his arm at harbinger and saved the galaxy himself
Curious thought experiment. I actually ended up deviating from my original plan for a Mass Effect story that totally isn't set in the original trilogy, but from the eyes of a character who accidentally finds herself in that universe, and goes with the Normandy in ME1/2, then splits off from it to stay with Kasumi... to pretty much this, where she ends up having to take over for Shep in the absence of other alternatives. Though the original idea is still in my mind.
Shiala, probably. She has the Prothean cipher just like Shepard, is a powerful biotic, knows Nazara, is at least more immune to Indoctrination than Shepard, and has her own "crew". Not the best crew, but with a lil investigation into Shepard's mission in ME, TIM or Miranda could've learned about her and tried to recruit her off of Feros to be their tip of the spear against the Reapers. Probably wouldn't be a fan of Cerberus, but would probably be pragmatic enough to recognize the Reaper threat and use Cerberus to fight it. Tali and Garrus would recognize her from ME, which might be enough to get them to join up. As for the others, she can literally share the vision and cipher with them, to show them the threat. And if she can share the cipher, don't they all get to be "Protheans"? Understand the language, use the technology, etc? Shiala could have had an arguably more powerful and united crew than Shepard did in ME2. Honestly, I was always disappointed we left her on Feros and took Liara with us. Shiala is a warrior, has the cipher, and didn't Javik say the Asari were meant to win the war. If there was one Asari capable of doing that, it's Shiala.
What if Alec Ryder never left for the with the Andromeda Initiative and used SAM to lead the Milky Way in the battle against the Reapers? He was N7 and willing to make the hard choices.
I think the arks might have made it out. I thought it was around me2 is when they set sail.
And radio signals reached them when Liara mentioned that she was on a ship as the shadow broker.
We need more "What If" videos
I think that the clone underwent mental conditioning to make him human-centric, which is why he's so condescending to Tali - he doesn't like aliens.
The only 2 missions after Shepard's death is the lair and the arrival. For the things that happened in 3 Liara as the shadow broker (she would have managed to stop him without Shepard) would have help the defeat the reapers. The galaxy wouldn't stop for Shepard's death, people like to survive you know and with a common enemy they would have.
It's worse than that. Both Tali and Garrus would be dead, since Shepard saves them on Freedom's Progress and Omega. And without Shepard and Mordin's intervention on Tuchanka, Maelon may cure the genophage for the blood pack. Which would lead to Wrex getting killed and another Krogan Rebellion. The heretics would use their virus to reprogram the rest of the geth, giving the Proto-reaper all the help it would need to storm the Citadel.
I Think the illusive man would have tried to create multiple clones and used scans of Shepards brain and control implants to get a much closer copy of his/her personality but more in line with Cerberus ideology.
Interesting story, it would be surreal having to take the shoes of a new character (possibly the VS) and seeing all of what your CO did come back at you.
Yes, I am still salty at Bioware for dumping the VS growth in ME2 when there were ample opportunities to do so in the DLC and after the Collectors Base.
There's one person who MIGHT, though the chances are mega slim; Anderson. He might have been able to use Shepard's name to rally some of the same forces, though I'm not sure he'd have worked with Cerberus at all. More likely he'd be all "thanks for the ship!" and run off to collect the team himself, but for the sake of the galaxy, there's a world where he too reluctantly accepts the help.
Who would take up Shepard's mantle? Isnt it obvious? The man who knows Shepard better than anyone, the second (honorary) human spectre, the Batman of Ilium Conrad FUCKING Verner
The mantle of responsibility shelters all, and shepard is its master.
What about other Spectres?
Sure, they would be later on the scene, but the human Reaper probably still wouldnt be complete for a long while, giving them a chance, even if it still ends with more colonies kidnapped. TIM could probably influence the council enough to investigate these colonies at some point, and maybe even send the same dossiers to the other spectre to give them a team.
It wouldnt be the same, but I think the galaxy would still have a chance that way.
Completely off topic here, but watching Shepard dance in the outro makes me wonder why no one has made a mod for just that.
I know watching them be so bad at dancing while at the same time being awesome at everything else is the whole point, but it would still be fun to see a mod that especially during the Citadel DLC party, has them dancing the usual way and getting mocked only for them to bust out some sick dance moves and leave the crew stunned.
As for the topic at hand.
It would make for some very interesting DLC if they released a video showing the fall of the galaxy had Shepard not returned.
I know it would be the ultimate downer, but if it was fully voice acted and showing attempts to try and work together, I'd still pay to see it.
Hell I'd love a remake of the ending video fully animated, especially if we got to watch the rebuilding of the Citadel and how it being now above Earth impacted things.
I've also heard that Ambassador Osoba who you help by finding his son's dogtags is who replaces Udina on the Council so seeing how him being indebted to Shepard would influence his role as the human representative.
The only one with equal levels of leadership and combat skills would be Anderson. He would've become the first human spectre if Saren didn't screw him over. But depanding on your choice he is either the new councillor or Admiral which means he has "no time" to play Shepards role.
Who would it fall to? The second human Specter: Conrad Verner and his intrepid crew!
The PTSD Soldier Aeian T'Goni!
Shiala, totally not a slave to the Thorian!
Rana Thanoptis, Neuroscientist and .. what? Did you hear that? I thought I heard voices..
The Biotic God Niftu Cal!
And Jacob their secret weapon to bore the Reapers to suicide!
🤣🤣🤣👍
I have a request.
Can you please make a video about what Mass Effect 3's story would be like if Shepard died at the collector base?
It might be James story then. Since he chose the data on how to defeat the collectors.
Shepard is like the battery or gear in a clock. If the battery goes dead or a gear is missing....then the clock stops working.
There is one thing the clone was better at than Shepard.
*Dancing.*
What about Anderson?
We know in ME3, he comes out of commanding retirement and battles in London. But what if he instead takes Shepard’s place in commanding the Normandy once more?
In that case, probably still an overall loss. Anderson can't contribute in 2 because he's tied too closely to the Council (either because he's ON the Council, or is the advisor to Udina).
In 3, Anderson plays a key role by staying behind and organizing the ground resistance on Earth, coordinating it with Hackett (charged with running the Crucible project) and Shepard.
Without Anderson there, would the resistance last as long as it does in the original timeline? Would it be as effective, or be the same size by the time of counterattack? Who knows.
@@thundercrash4775 Maybe Earth is wiped out in this timeline. But perhaps Anderson could unite the galaxy to avenge it.
The virmire surviver only goes to horizon because of the illusive man’s scheme involving Sheppard, with Sheppard not being alive and pulling at the council to listen, the alliance would have not taken the abductions seriously and thus not having Ashley/Kaiden on horizon
Why you dismiss the clone right away? He( I will refer to the clone as "he", because I always play male Shepard) may be acting the way he did mainly because of the influence from Brooks. I imagine that if the Lazarus project would have failed, Cerberus would attempt to mold something, remotely similar to the Shepard out of the clone. With the right people influencing him, someone from his old team even, with the right training, who knows, maybe he would even succeed in taking down the collectors.
Imagine a Krogan, Asari, Salarian, Quarian, Human Reapers made by the Collectors! They probably would fight the shrimp Reapers!
You forgot that James got intel on Collectors.
NGL This Vid Was Hilarious Because Of All The Sound Effect Like "The Reaper Slushy" And The JJ Jameson Weeze
First, I think that if Shepard died - BioWare would make their pet Liara T'Soni replace him and be smarter, more charismatic and overall just the best commander there ever was because commanding Alliance is just like running a digsite - you need patience and determination and all will fall into place. If they needed to give Liara any special skill - they would give her the skills out of nowhere like they always do.
Second, Geth vs Quarian war or Krogan genophage arent essential at all - they are 2 worthless side quests that only improve how the galaxy gets destroyed after Crucible was used.
Third, I actually think that the Clone would be way more interested in the collectors BECAUSE he wouldnt be thrown away after Cerberus got the real him. That guy experienced what happens to a file when you empty a bin AND because old SHepard existed he couldnt even fool the team to replace the original - if there was no other Shepard, I think he would be actually a good Renegade Shepard.
Fourth, with Thanix canons and upgraded defences 1 Reaper wouldnt cut it. They would have to do the Cerberus coup AND the Reaper + Geth attack at the same time which wouldnt happen yet.
Fifth - if the galaxy was in any way losing they would introduce another "THE C" as in The Citadel, The Cypher, The Conduit, The Crucible, The Catalyst and whipe the floor with reapers and galaxy would win.
Sixth - James was already looking into Collectors there is non-zero probability that Alliance would whipe out the collectors themselves.
You forgot Kai Leng... That guy could have picked up the mantle and probably gotten a whole bunch of either the squad or other people from the Illusive Man's apparently endless rooster. Now, I doubt he would have been as effective as Shepard, but he would probably have gotten quite far. The reason I say this is because I don't get the impression he is very smart, and some of Shepard's actions hint at at least above average intelligence, not to mention he cares about people in a way I don't think Leng does - if anything I would guess Leng sees people as tools. And a guy like that would have been hard pressed to recruit Mordin and stop the collectors because of that reason.
Commander Conrad Verner. Destroyed the reapers once and for all. By tripping on Star child's power cable. And disconnecting it. Turing off the Reapers xD
I always wondered why the collectors killed the Normandy, why not just collect the people on board since they were making a reaper. Shepard should have been reaper jelly if anything
It's a good question. But at that time, the Normandy was the flagship for the rest of the alliance. I'd say it would be safe to assume that destroying it. Would cripple morale. And it somewhat did.
The reapers have the collective knowledge of the past cycles, and know how to cause havoc amongst the system.
Make Garrus the player character.
Retrieve Sheperd as the main fetch quest.
Using Cerberus money and tech, bring Sheperd back.
Enjoy watching Shep go off as a squadmate for the remainder of the 2nd game.
The only person I could see stepping up to the plate is good ole Anderson... but even then, I don't think he'd have been able to do much.
Even if he managed to put up a good enough defense against the Collectors to get to the point of Mass Effect 3, it would all end there.
also most of shepards squad would be dead without them garrus killed by the mercs, tail by geth, thane intended to die in the tower, jack would still be in prison, mordin probably killed by the blood pack, grunt killed in his pod by the blue suns, legion killed by the husks on the dead reaper and james would be stuck on earth.
The Reapers win, everyone dies, the Yahg rule the galaxy for the next 50,000 years, and then *they* die.
"Hey Shep, wanna know how I got these scars??"
I'm just curious how the human Reaper would look like fully grown. Like it has a head, and arms. Buts it like a AI ship.
I can only see Garrus, somehow, taking Shep's spot, he has Shep's connections, he has the knowledge of the reapers that Shep has, he has a perspective of how to do things following Shep in the 1st ME. I actually believe that Garrus could do it.
The developers have said many times that the history of Mass Effect is the history of humanity and that this is why the developers make the protagonist human
@@user-wr7mb3ic7m I was only responding to a question Hult presented
I don't care that the galaxy would fall apart. If Shepard is dead, who will inform that these six stores in particular are his/her favourite store at the Citadel?
Dead Shepard = Collectors tear shit up, human reaper for the boys = reapers take over the entire galaxy and still make it home for dinner.
So uh... yeah. In total agreement with you there.😂
Like it or not, without Shepard the galaxy’s best hope is TIM. He has the same strong willpower to succeed as Shepard. They were two sides of the same coin. I don’t really know if they would survive though.
Only one man besides Shepard would be up for the job. Conrad Verner.
I think the only one who could maybe come close could be anderson. He did manage to organise the resistance on earth, he's also a leader and a proven soldier. He wouldn't have gathered as many as shepard but I think he could've offered a bit of resistance
I would like to see a mass effect 2 and 3 where someone else took the mantle of commander shapeard they'll likely have to be an OC characters but I could be interesting in how this new character would right the collectors and reapers differently than shepard
When you went up against Sovereign, there was no good reason to believe you'd win. But your crew didn't seem to care. They went along anyway. Your trip through the Omega-4 relay? That was a suicide mission if there ever was one. Yet there your crew was, standing beside you, proud to serve. Why? Because they believed in YOU, their leader! That's what I need now. Where we're taking them is likely to get pretty hairy, and I know you're the one who will get us to the other side.
Conrad Vernor would've been our new hero!
That's catastrophic.
In this case seems that the Andromeda Initiative is essential to save all Milky Way species, because only through it all the species survive the Reaper War.
Not all of them
@@thecreed1212 There is also the Quarian Ark that contains Elcor, Volus and all other Species that are not in the council, so yes... all of them.
@@N7MD-VVhmm you're right I forgot about that ark. It still wouldn't be all the milky way species, only the most advanced ones. Anyway I cant wait for me4/5 to see if they'll bring both storyline together
I’d say you covered every pretty well. Except... what about the shepherd super fan Conrad???
You VASTLY underestimate Joker. In fact all Cerberus had to do was give him an Atlas mech(something far less costly than the Lazarus project), and he'd be even BETTER than Shepard.
Reapers wouldn't stand a chance
We forgot about chuck norris, he would of had reapers for breakfast lol
Maybe Garrus could have taken the place of Shepard. But to be honest the next best thing would be Captain Anderson , sure he's too old for the shooting part, but i can see him trying to put back together the old crew, maybe with the addition of James Vega who would enter the N7 training a lot sooner, thanks to a reccomendation from Anderson himself.
Anderson is to old for the shooting part?
The guy would've been the first human spectre if Saren didn't screw him over and without Anderson staying on Earth there would be no Earth left to save for Shepard and the fleets.
I think that Anderson has a solid chance of giving the Reapers a hell of a fight if he was in Shepard's place. Oh and he also managed to reach the beam to the citadel while Harbinger whiped out the entire strike force.
Wrex was preparing for the reapers so he would be my pick
Idk i think liara might have had a hand on a big chance being the shadow broker.
I have a small feeling that she could possibly get most of the big forces to come together.
Minus the geth/quarians.
The genophage, not qured. That would be a ton of ground forces down. But i think all forces would start nuking all of the reapers.
I think it would be a fighting chance. More than the protheans
It would be Harbinger 2.0, not Sovereign 2.0. First of the new type of Reaper, and likely would’ve rivalled Harbinger in size because of how large the population of humans got. What we saw being made in the Collector base was the framework. It likely would’ve been a lot bigger if the Reapers managed to abduct and turn every human into... whatever it is that the poor bastards who died in the pods turned into.
strictly speaking, it should be likely that anyone capable of attaining HER rank and draw the attention of the spectres at the time of Eden Prime, would end up doing a passable job.
Taken as a Legent, it's far more likely that each crises were handled by different people. kind of like the stories of Bigglesworth. fictional character attributed actual historical achievements of different people. One Humanoid(and his team) successfully saving the galaxy time and again would only be possible if they were some sort of divine avatar...or a Player Character. :P
Critical mission failure
I think Vega would have taken Shepard place, the Alliance WAS doing something about the missing colonists, just low key, Vega said during ME3 the he had adquiered intel to destroy the collectors, but in the end was not needed because Shepard took out the Collector base on his own.
That said, while that may resolve ME2 events leading up to the point where ME3 starts, i just dont see how Vega could resolve the issues presented on ME3.
The Geths would have been a 100% on the reapers side and the Quarians would have been screwed, but thats not really important, you could remove the Quarians and the Geth out of the ME3 story and nothing would really change in the end.
I think he may have a chance to resolve the situacion with the Krogan, just not as well as Shepard could.
BUT the part im really worried about is EDI... EDI is a key piece to the ME3 story, just as Liara is, EDI is the 3rd more important character for the story, and whiout ME2 Shepard there is no EDI. There is no way... and im not even sure if Liara would have keep going after Shepard is confirmed dead, for all i know, she just may have just given up.
I think it could have been another situation like Javik where only a few could make it into the next cycle
However here's a slim chance of this happening. What if Legion woke up javik? If Shepard stayed dead and Harper just shared Intel on the reapers like someone stated in the comments. As for Legion waking up javik. He could interface with cerbus computers to understand the recall code. Maybe not right away, but anything and all tech legion should be able to Interface with.
Given the disgust Javik has for synthetics it's more likely that he turns Legion into scrap metal when he sees him.
And Javik himself? Let's say that he is compassionate like a predator stalking it's pray,
his judgement is as just and rational as a medieval inquisitor and his idea of leadership caused the Protheans downfall.
He's not even in the Top 20 of candidates.
If Shepard had stayed dead, then there's only a few other people who would have taken up the mantle against the reapers (I'm gonna use characters from other franchises):
The master chief
Doomguy
Samus
Conrad Verner
Courier 6 (the wild card)
And the main character of hollow knight after they go through god home and become the shade lord. (Face it, The reapers can't take on a god, that's way above their pay grade)
Also could you do a video on if the flood were in mass effect and how they would impact the story and all? I mean would they use the reaper war to gain biomass or what?
if Shepard wasn't revived, Garrus would be killed by the gangs, Tali would be killed by the Geth on Haestrom, Wrex would never unite the clans and would either spend the rest of his life trying or get assassinated, Mordin would never leave his clinic, Thane would crawl in a dark corner and die, Grunt would be destroyed by Jedore, Jack would still be in cryo, Samara might never find Morinth and would focus on that the rest of her life, Legion would never return from his mission on the Reaper, Zaeed would get killed going after Vido, Kasumi would get killed going for Kejis greybox, as far as Miranda and Jacob, well, we all know how the Illusive Man deals with failure
also, it seems like even with Shepard alive the Collectors have a 99.99% chance of winning anyway, it may seem easy to us now, after close to a decade of playing, but if it were reality I can imagine it being a nightmare scenario. and you keep bringing up this fleet of Collector vessels, there's only ever the 1 otherwise I can't see why the game would stop there taking out only 1 ship and base leaving an armada of hostile aliens to start the process over again...after probably rallying the entire fleet to take out the Normandy AGAIN
in mass effect 5 I hope we don't get a protagonist have the weight of galaxy on his shoulder
What about Conrad Verner? He wanted to be Commander Shepard.
They would revive Jenkins next
I still dont understand why this reaper looked like humen, while every other reaper look the same (like leviathan)
You didnt say that the races would not cooperate forces to fight them together and focus to defend their own Space
You forgot about someone...... Conrad Verner! He of all would rallied all the species to defeat the reapers. He would do a better job then the commander.
Without anyone to bring the galaxy together it's over also if shepherd dies so dose maranda unless it's a hypothetical but no matter what the galaxy is doomed
How do you trigger a joker only survivor ending? I've only been playing these games a couple months and I take my time to make sure I don't miss anything but I guess I missed this.
Then we have commander James!
They would be as good as dead without the charm and charisma of the Real Shepard