Basically he meant that when you travel into the past, the amount of time you’re bound to spend in that past period will technically become a part of YOUR future since you haven’t experienced it yet but are about to despite being in the past or present. And the time period called the present you just left becomes the past because well you’ve already done it and the choices you make in the past are your new future. Meaning that since the present is now the past, it cant be changed by changing something in the past because that’s also you’re present and future
It's just an extremely confusing way to explain that whatever happens at every moment in time in a given universe is set in stone and, no matter what you do, you can't change anything in it, no matter where (when) you travel to. What happens instead is that you create a branch (timeline) where your actions during time travel had some effect on reality, and now both universes co-exist simultaneously. However, it seems like while you can't change your present by traveling to the past, you can go back and prevent the timeline from branching out by stopping the event causing it in the first place. An example would be the Avengers taking the infinity stones and conversation between Bruce Banner and the Ancient One. Taking the stones was supposed to branch the timeline, because without them the events of movies wouldn't happen, BUT, because Steve travels back to the same place and time where the stones were taken, the branching timeline doesn't happen, AND this is the reason TVA didn't get involved, because the timeline didn't branch apart from Loki escaping and the reason why in places where Natural disasters happen and everyone dies, any changes have no meaning. This is basically the way the MCU handles time travel, which is different from Back to the Future where every time you do something, you create a new timeline and erase the previous one or DCU and CW where time travel on itself can cause changes in the timeline you know and no matter how much you try to change things back to the way they were, it won't make be the same way in the end.
THE WAY ( HULK ) EXPLAINS TIME TRAVEL IS ALL WRONG BECAUSE ( IF YOU TRAVEL TO THE PAST THE PAST BECOMES YOUR PRESENT SO IF YOU CHANGE THAT PAST THEN THE FUTURE OF THAT PRESENT WILL CHANGE AND THEN THE ORIGINAL TIMELINE DISAPPEARS ACCORDING TO QUANTUM PHYSICS
But in Loki Season 1 Episode 1, when Loki's trial was happening, Loki asked Ravonna (the judge) "why didn't you guys catch the Avengers when they time travelled", Ravonna said" Because it was supposed to happen. You escaping was not". So we already know the answer. I am not saying that your answer is not wrong. It also gives a much more strong answer to the question
It's a another timeline. First of all, the movie itself explains that a change to the timeline results in another timeline. Second, as much the writers kept saying it was all planned and that Steve was always Peggy's husband, they themselves have told before that Sousa was her husband.
Doesn't that mean cap didn't fix the psst he altered it again by growing old and marrying Carter. Why didn't the tva interfere and do cap like they did lowey.
Because it wasn't a significant change from where Kang needed it to go. We do a lot of things throughout the day that don't matter. Which foot you step off from or going to Wendy's instead of McDonald's. Even major changes can have limited effect. Peggy needed a husband and have a couple kids. As long as Steve doesn't try to make the world better, the Avengers form and eventually cause HWR to win the multiversal war. We see it in effect when Loki was arrested. They used an alternate take with slightly different lines. Nothing significant changed despite different dialogue, so no branch. But Loki getting the Tesseract and escaping means Thor 2 doesn't happen. Maybe other stuff as they try to catch him again.
@@bryanwoods3373 sure, fine, great, still doesn't explain the movie acting like it was the og timeline he ended up in rather than a branch as the movie itself states, as cap cannot possibly have been in the same time twice without time travel
@newfanguyjackson4858 Where does it show Cap was definitely in the main timeline? Him appearing on the bench is easily explained by him using the watch to return earlier and just go there when he knew it was time. Which would also explain why Bruce couldn't get him back; he was already there.
Hulk meant that if you go to the past, you experience all the things in the past again, so it's your new present. And because you time traveled from your original time to past, your original timeline is in past now. So the new changes in past becomes your new future.
But what of Thanos? Endgame Thanos (&Gamora) literally jumped ahead in the timeline... basically bypassing everything (he did) from Morag in GOTG till the final battle in Endgame.
the TVA didn't stop it from happening because it needed to happen as this was when time travel was first invented and without it Kang who created the TVA to monitor and police time travel won't gain the power of time travel. it needs to happen
Everyone has it wrong... Hawkeye started the multiverse. When he did the test run and stole his sons baseball glove, the multiverse was created Instantaneously
And the fact that TVA knew that they dont need to interfere because they were getting orders from the end of time in which he who remains knew that captain America was going to return all the stones
It would've still have created branched timeline by the mere presence of Avengers in them. Though they would be purged by TVA Only the sacred timeline was left untouched since Avengers took care of closing the loop on that one
The infinity stones were returned at the exact same moment by captain america as he would have travelled to that particular time let the avengers take the stone and place the stones he had so thanos will get them athe snap happens and avengers will timebtravel and new captain america doesbthe same I believe that the captain america of old timeline had spent 70 years with peggy but hid his identity as in the last scene they were supposed to dance at club not in their home So for 70 years the captain america of this reality was in ice the captain andrica of previous timeline lived with peggy and in the last scene captain america before timw travelling sees the captain america who had aldready time travelled The rules of time travel qere never broken so in a lofe of cap he lived till 1945 woke up in 2011 then lived till 2019 and then lived from 1970 to 2019 crazy his past is his future and his present is past
People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but *actually* from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint - it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff - The Doctor
If you watched Loki tv show in it the tea literally said the avengers going back in time was ment to happed and was part of the time line so that’s why why did not interfere
when we go to the past it becomes your future, creating branch new timeline .... and then Steve Rogers go to the past and still goes to the same timeline 😂😂😂
But it did, the Thanos of 2014, Captain America, staying in that time line ( is no way he’s going to stay there and watch all the chaos happen). And Loki mysteriously vanish (which is supposed to do a bunch of stuff after the war)
Thats what he said or meant. He said if you go into the past, that moment becomes part of the past, when in reality that point in time becomes your future and if you do anything to major to change in the past ( killing the baby.) That will change that point in time. You can however make small changes in the timeline, having more Pyn particles ready or cloning other Averages who die. You know little things, like in Bill and Teds first movie. Again it writers rewriting stories to fit what the studio wants. Because you see its a way to bring back Black Widow.
Normal in the marvel universe when change the past u are thrown to a new timeline that have the result of ur changes ...but because of the quantum realm in marvel u can travel to ur original timeline.. because the quantum realm is like a dimension outside space and time ... All timeline s and multiverse exist there .....😊😊😊I hope this helped
isnt branched timelin the thing is time works like this:when u go to past u doesnt reach the that part of the timeline instead the past will continue in that same line and u wont reach the exact line created years ago.. but just replicate them in the line itself its like same event two times and so its one line and not a branched one…… ur past continues as the future and ur future will remain in the past
I appreciate your head Cannon when it comes to linking Loki with The avengers movie, then I need you to explain why if Loki didn't do the cataclysm that means Doctor strange did it so Loki technically doesn't mean anything if Doctor strange is the reason why the timeline was broken.
It still doesn’t make sense though, that’s because even after returning the stones anything done afterwards can still branch another timeline, the only way returning the stones will completely fix it is if it’s somehow possible to return the stones after returning back to their original timeline which it isn’t
In Loki series , it stated that Avengers are meant to be travel through time, it's part of the timeline. It's the original. Loki on the other hand was not meant to be taken out of his timeline , that's why he became a Variant.
Biggest loophole would be in Avengers endgame when thor goes into the past and take his hammer from the past into the future what will the past thor would use?
Whats funny is the marvel and dc interpretation of time traveling can be the same. Just because Flash left a timeline doesnt mean that timelines gone, it juet means we arent looking at that timeline anymore. As to the reality, if you were supposed to affect your past self, youd have memory of your past self being affected by your future.
Okay. Let me ask you this. When tony gets hit by hulk and loki picked it up. If he didnt pick it up. Wouldnt tony been caught and than tony, captain america, and ant man would had changed the timeline. They would wonder how the space stone got out of the case. Notice future tony got the suitcase and immediately be caught. For later on captain america talk about loki but, find out he actually met a future of himself.
Did he forget about killing 2014 Thanos? He is now gone, snapped away, not returned to the past. Also Gamora was plucked from 2014 and never returned. So the time line has been altered, which would have caused the snap to never happen. But, no one ever talks about it.
Other reason is when they kill baby thanos there no reason to create time machine, if there no reason to make time machine then they didnt go to kill baby thanos and just make it be run in the circle
What I don’t get though is them being there is the reason Loki did what he did and during his tva trial they spoke to him like it was his fault, how would he have known any better it was the avengers fault not his
i like how they were discussing timelines like they had a slightest idea what they were talking about
And that's what makes them "I wanna put some dirt in your eye".
@@bruno1😂 I will put some
@@bruno1 wat
It’s the same people who think that by Marty McFly getting his parents to reconnect it would stop him from disappearing. It wouldn’t.
What about gamora? She should have also gone back
We didn't understand it because Bully Maguire put dirt in all our eyes
😂
U want forgiveness ?
@@bruno1😂
@@saavanelias8059 I already have religion
@@HOMELANDER114 I missed the part where that's my problem
The directors would hold a PhD in physics 🎉😅
Never understanded what Bruce said in that scene, thanks again for clarify moments like this
Yeah, even i didn't at the first time.
Basically he meant that when you travel into the past, the amount of time you’re bound to spend in that past period will technically become a part of YOUR future since you haven’t experienced it yet but are about to despite being in the past or present. And the time period called the present you just left becomes the past because well you’ve already done it and the choices you make in the past are your new future. Meaning that since the present is now the past, it cant be changed by changing something in the past because that’s also you’re present and future
*Understanded really? That's not a word & I dam sure don't understand you!
It's just an extremely confusing way to explain that whatever happens at every moment in time in a given universe is set in stone and, no matter what you do, you can't change anything in it, no matter where (when) you travel to.
What happens instead is that you create a branch (timeline) where your actions during time travel had some effect on reality, and now both universes co-exist simultaneously.
However, it seems like while you can't change your present by traveling to the past, you can go back and prevent the timeline from branching out by stopping the event causing it in the first place.
An example would be the Avengers taking the infinity stones and conversation between Bruce Banner and the Ancient One. Taking the stones was supposed to branch the timeline, because without them the events of movies wouldn't happen, BUT, because Steve travels back to the same place and time where the stones were taken, the branching timeline doesn't happen, AND this is the reason TVA didn't get involved, because the timeline didn't branch apart from Loki escaping and the reason why in places where Natural disasters happen and everyone dies, any changes have no meaning.
This is basically the way the MCU handles time travel, which is different from Back to the Future where every time you do something, you create a new timeline and erase the previous one or DCU and CW where time travel on itself can cause changes in the timeline you know and no matter how much you try to change things back to the way they were, it won't make be the same way in the end.
@@OptimusPrime12190damn*
as explained in loki season 1 the avengers time traveling and taking the stones is part of the sacred timeline
Yeah, because captain put it back almost instantly.
THE WAY ( HULK ) EXPLAINS TIME TRAVEL IS ALL WRONG BECAUSE ( IF YOU TRAVEL TO THE PAST THE PAST BECOMES YOUR PRESENT SO IF YOU CHANGE THAT PAST THEN THE FUTURE OF THAT PRESENT WILL CHANGE AND THEN THE ORIGINAL TIMELINE DISAPPEARS ACCORDING TO QUANTUM PHYSICS
No. @@bruno1
Except the Soul Stone couldn't be returned so Captain America has the Soul Stone
Just hand it to red skull and leave
I imagine that would be an awkward exchange Cap would be “ hey Red Skull, been a while …how’s it going? “
@@Rabbitolucas200. Red Skull said it couldn't be returned once it was given away
Maybe black widow still alive 😅
Back to the Future 2 explains it nicely
But in Loki Season 1 Episode 1, when Loki's trial was happening, Loki asked Ravonna (the judge) "why didn't you guys catch the Avengers when they time travelled", Ravonna said" Because it was supposed to happen. You escaping was not". So we already know the answer.
I am not saying that your answer is not wrong. It also gives a much more strong answer to the question
good luck with the Soul stone cap 💀👍
Yeah how tf does that work 💀
@@W1LlzAWhats up red skull how you doing? Oh dang Natasha looks dead, dang thats crazy.
@jareddimatulac45 Nahhhh that's crazy 💀 💀 💀
Thats why in dragon ball super even if beerus destroyed zamasu he was still in the future trunks saga
But captain changed the time line and no one is talking about it 😂
恩，這在六十年前就被隊長給"改變"
她們大部分的人還沒有這年紀呢
也就是說，早就活在已經完成改變的時間線了
Hol up! Cap went with Peggy and became her husband so either we are following a branch or...
It's a another timeline. First of all, the movie itself explains that a change to the timeline results in another timeline. Second, as much the writers kept saying it was all planned and that Steve was always Peggy's husband, they themselves have told before that Sousa was her husband.
I would love to see Caps adventure replacing all the stones. Ending with him settled down with Peggy.
Doesn't that mean cap didn't fix the psst he altered it again by growing old and marrying Carter. Why didn't the tva interfere and do cap like they did lowey.
Because it wasn't a significant change from where Kang needed it to go. We do a lot of things throughout the day that don't matter. Which foot you step off from or going to Wendy's instead of McDonald's. Even major changes can have limited effect. Peggy needed a husband and have a couple kids. As long as Steve doesn't try to make the world better, the Avengers form and eventually cause HWR to win the multiversal war. We see it in effect when Loki was arrested. They used an alternate take with slightly different lines. Nothing significant changed despite different dialogue, so no branch. But Loki getting the Tesseract and escaping means Thor 2 doesn't happen. Maybe other stuff as they try to catch him again.
@@bryanwoods3373 sure, fine, great, still doesn't explain the movie acting like it was the og timeline he ended up in rather than a branch as the movie itself states, as cap cannot possibly have been in the same time twice without time travel
@newfanguyjackson4858 Where does it show Cap was definitely in the main timeline? Him appearing on the bench is easily explained by him using the watch to return earlier and just go there when he knew it was time. Which would also explain why Bruce couldn't get him back; he was already there.
Hulk meant that if you go to the past, you experience all the things in the past again, so it's your new present. And because you time traveled from your original time to past, your original timeline is in past now. So the new changes in past becomes your new future.
Peter at the end got me 😆
Need a movie Cap going to past fixing things. 😢😅
Before Captain America left he was talking to Bruce and he actually said the words "clip all the branches"
But when he fixed, didn't that created another timelines ?
bully Maguire at the end made me snort
All of this stuff that happened in the avengers (even the time travel) was a part of the main timeline that the TVA protects
The only issue was the branched timeline they created in 2012 New York where Loki escapes therefore the tva fixed that
But what of Thanos? Endgame Thanos (&Gamora) literally jumped ahead in the timeline... basically bypassing everything (he did) from Morag in GOTG till the final battle in Endgame.
yup, it was a branch timeline but it was all the idea of he who remains. he's the one who paved the way for loki to survive and
It's like the flash movie, when he tried to save his mom, the whole timeline just changed, there goes the other version of the flash
Exactly - Nebula 😉
Ive always wondered how hulk even knows how timd travel works he hasn't tested it yet, hes acting like he has a full understanding already
I am glad you are not posting like every 3 days now its 1 or 2 days😊
the TVA didn't stop it from happening because it needed to happen as this was when time travel was first invented and without it Kang who created the TVA to monitor and police time travel won't gain the power of time travel. it needs to happen
Everyone has it wrong... Hawkeye started the multiverse. When he did the test run and stole his sons baseball glove, the multiverse was created Instantaneously
And the fact that TVA knew that they dont need to interfere because they were getting orders from the end of time in which he who remains knew that captain America was going to return all the stones
But when Captain went back to the past, it was their future. 😂
It's almost like it was explained in the movie
It would've still have created branched timeline by the mere presence of Avengers in them. Though they would be purged by TVA
Only the sacred timeline was left untouched since Avengers took care of closing the loop on that one
Love how nebula got it no problem
Like the flash, created flashpoint and wiped his memory of his past and made a new timeline
sick ending to a video 😂
Also if my mind doesn't betray me, Kang needed a time travel machine from Stark to create his from the future.
I can't fathom the fact that people didn't get that from the theater already
YET STEEVE ROGERS STILL MANAGE TO GO BACK TO HIS PREVIOUS TUMELINE AFTER BRANCHING OUT AND HE DID THAT WITHOUT THE TIME MACHINE THINGY
The infinity stones were returned at the exact same moment by captain america as he would have travelled to that particular time let the avengers take the stone and place the stones he had so thanos will get them athe snap happens and avengers will timebtravel and new captain america doesbthe same
I believe that the captain america of old timeline had spent 70 years with peggy but hid his identity as in the last scene they were supposed to dance at club not in their home
So for 70 years the captain america of this reality was in ice the captain andrica of previous timeline lived with peggy and in the last scene captain america before timw travelling sees the captain america who had aldready time travelled
The rules of time travel qere never broken so in a lofe of cap he lived till 1945 woke up in 2011 then lived till 2019 and then lived from 1970 to 2019 crazy his past is his future and his present is past
People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but *actually* from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint - it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff - The Doctor
If you watched Loki tv show in it the tea literally said the avengers going back in time was ment to happed and was part of the time line so that’s why why did not interfere
when we go to the past it becomes your future, creating branch new timeline .... and then Steve Rogers go to the past and still goes to the same timeline 😂😂😂
Would love to see a spin off series about steve rogers returning the stones and mjonir
Loki has asked this once, the TVA told him that the time travel of the Avengers was destined.
Loki be like :- why me maan😂
it's like a grandfather paradox
There was no TVA concept at that time.
So how can they react
Lucky. The ancient one managed to give Bruce Banner a warning.
But it did, the Thanos of 2014, Captain America, staying in that time line ( is no way he’s going to stay there and watch all the chaos happen). And Loki mysteriously vanish (which is supposed to do a bunch of stuff after the war)
Ok I understood but what about gamora?
“I will use simple terms.” I’m gonna need you to go simpler.
Thats what he said or meant. He said if you go into the past, that moment becomes part of the past, when in reality that point in time becomes your future and if you do anything to major to change in the past ( killing the baby.) That will change that point in time. You can however make small changes in the timeline, having more Pyn particles ready or cloning other Averages who die. You know little things, like in Bill and Teds first movie. Again it writers rewriting stories to fit what the studio wants. Because you see its a way to bring back Black Widow.
Yeah but Loki has every thread so he should be able to control them. Especially as they mainly don’t affect his past
Normal in the marvel universe when change the past u are thrown to a new timeline that have the result of ur changes ...but because of the quantum realm in marvel u can travel to ur original timeline.. because the quantum realm is like a dimension outside space and time ... All timeline s and multiverse exist there .....😊😊😊I hope this helped
This is actually how I interpret time travel, and honestly I thought of it before I saw this, so I guess me and marvel had the same idea
The fact that hulk wasn't pointing to the eye of agamoto💀🥔
So the old Captain America is from another timeline 😮
When Loki asked about it. The TVA said the sacred timeline said it should have happened.
You just described the movie lmfao
Dragon Ball Super explained it best if yall need more info about it. Its during the 'Future Trunks, Goku Black & Zamasu' saga
This was the whole point of HG Wells Time Machine. Does nobody read the classics anymore. Heck, it was even in the recent movie adaptation.
The perfect ending
isnt branched timelin the thing is time works like this:when u go to past u doesnt reach the that part of the timeline instead the past will continue in that same line and u wont reach the exact line created years ago.. but just replicate them in the line itself its like same event two times and so its one line and not a branched one…… ur past continues as the future and ur future will remain in the past
As a normal
Past-present-future
But if travel to the past it gonna be
Future-present-past
Rewind..😂
What was bully Maguire doing in last 😅 does he created new timeline😂
Say branched timelines one more time.
Also this was clear to anyone who watched it
Also, the Avengers going to the past was a nexus event which was supposed to happen as we saw in the first episode of loki
I think even the tva or kang was questioned about this also
The tva was going to mention something about cap but they seemed cool w the whole infinity war thing. It was all supposed to happen.
If steve goes into past, doesn’t it creates a different branch again?
Cuz Loki haven’t premiered yet 😂😂
I appreciate your head Cannon when it comes to linking Loki with The avengers movie, then I need you to explain why if Loki didn't do the cataclysm that means Doctor strange did it so Loki technically doesn't mean anything if Doctor strange is the reason why the timeline was broken.
But can you please understand that why captain America didn't got caught by tva because he also stay in past
Bruce could've just said the tree root theory.
The girl in tva said what they did was supposed to happen, but loki escaping was not
It still doesn’t make sense though, that’s because even after returning the stones anything done afterwards can still branch another timeline, the only way returning the stones will completely fix it is if it’s somehow possible to return the stones after returning back to their original timeline which it isn’t
Loki be like:💀
renslayer said that what they were supost to do. kang let it happen bc it dident allow any evil kangs to come up. its wasent threatening anything.
In Loki series , it stated that Avengers are meant to be travel through time, it's part of the timeline. It's the original. Loki on the other hand was not meant to be taken out of his timeline , that's why he became a Variant.
Well that makes much more sense because I honestly had no clue what Bruce meant by all that
Biggest loophole would be in Avengers endgame when thor goes into the past and take his hammer from the past into the future what will the past thor would use?
But in loki season 1 it is said as a canon event
They killed past Thanos, it's already messed up
Did Captain returned the soul stone too? This is the biggest question.
😂😂😂😂 speak Engelse man😂😂😂
Whats funny is the marvel and dc interpretation of time traveling can be the same.
Just because Flash left a timeline doesnt mean that timelines gone, it juet means we arent looking at that timeline anymore.
As to the reality, if you were supposed to affect your past self, youd have memory of your past self being affected by your future.
Also the tva said that the avengers were meant to do it
And what happen to 2014 thanos that travel to the present and died? Doesnt that also created a new timeline in the past?
But he could not fix loki getting away.
Okay. Let me ask you this. When tony gets hit by hulk and loki picked it up. If he didnt pick it up. Wouldnt tony been caught and than tony, captain america, and ant man would had changed the timeline. They would wonder how the space stone got out of the case. Notice future tony got the suitcase and immediately be caught. For later on captain america talk about loki but, find out he actually met a future of himself.
ThE eNgRiSh Is StRoNG wItH tHiS oNE
Did he forget about killing 2014 Thanos? He is now gone, snapped away, not returned to the past. Also Gamora was plucked from 2014 and never returned. So the time line has been altered, which would have caused the snap to never happen. But, no one ever talks about it.
But wouldn't the fact that cap went back wouldn't that be him creating a new time line no matter if he did put it back at the same time
So when captai go back to the past he created another branched timeline where he put the infinity stones back
It did change the timelines because captain America stayed in the past with Peggy carter creating a new timeline
Because they didn’t plan on writing TVA at that moment
If you watched Loki you'd know that Mobius said that the time heist supposed to happen.
Other reason is when they kill baby thanos there no reason to create time machine, if there no reason to make time machine then they didnt go to kill baby thanos and just make it be run in the circle
Kang allowed them to do it.
What I don’t get though is them being there is the reason Loki did what he did and during his tva trial they spoke to him like it was his fault, how would he have known any better it was the avengers fault not his
Bully maguire 😂😂😂😂