I just wanted to thank you guys for trying to keep your info as accurate as possible. Lot of other MH channels, while they aren't trying to spread misinformation or anything, speak in broad and generic terms, really avoiding the point of the video (understanding the underlying mechanics). I like how you guys get into the nitty gritty and don't shy away from getting as granular as possible so we can optimize our builds and play accordingly.
I got it! You start with a poison glaive with a paralysis kinsect, and a sleep weapon on your palico. After the elder dragon runs away to rest, yous switch to a blast glaive and blast bug to get several blast procs and do the most damage fast
Man I don't know how you calculate all that I got a headache from listenin y'all are amazing and the fact that you reuploaded means you care keep it up.
I had a laugh when I saw this video. I watched the first one the moment it popped up. So when I saw this appear, all I could think was "Uh oh. Something was wrong with the first one. Again." Seriously though, thank you guys for your hard work. Still sad about exhaust though.
I believe many other statuses are also affected by monster resistance. I know for sure that paralysis last much shorter duration against resistant monsters like Zinogre, Rajang, Toby Kadachi.
Having to explain Poison damage is the equivalent of explaining how magnets works on a scientific level. We pretty much know how it works... but depends a lot on context and its applications are quite useful and straight forward (intuitively understood). However, what we know on them is based on observations and having to explain the fundamental inner working of those makes us cringe because of all the assumptions we have to make... Poison weapons... how do they work?
I don't know if this helps, but Uragaan in 3U was the only monster you could kill with poison alone. You could bow him to death with a few arrows and just follow him around till he died. Kirin and Kushala also had some weird poison mechanics. It acted sort of like elderseal does.
Srsly, I want to know if there is a way to make Zingore as good as the Atk Up Horns, if there is a meta I can have my friends run to get the most out of the guitar (it's so fucking cool, but I feel like I'm letting people down in multi-player when I run it).
I really appreciate the diligence in keeping your information accurate, despite taking the financial hit and the time to make a new video. Also, great detail and info as always!
Ye, I like to give my palico a poison weapon cause its damage isn't very significant anyway, and I use an elementless raw weapon myself. Best of both worlds! ?
Great video and i just want to say the switch axe has a weapon that has 1156 poison damage or build up if u max out its poison its incredible combine that with the apothecary mantle i put down elder dragons in less than 10min and it looks cool cause the sword glows purple the only switch axe that does, check it out.
Does anyone know how the rathian set effect (regular rathian) affect poison procs ? It's supposed to extends the duration of the poison effects on the monsters. Edit : Fine, i'll do it myself. A proc with Rathian Essence almost doubles the duration of the poison, making it last 25 ticks instead of 13 on three stars weak to poison monsters. It deals a thousand damage, over 50 seconds.
To be honest my Meta build is if the weapon makes me look fly I'll just hit the monster 'till he dead; you know what I'm sayin', simple math and strat for a simple noob like me 👊😎
I've been running a poison build with a switch-axe that does like 260 poison and a poison Phial that does around 800. I've counted and on solo I can get about 8 procs, and with the rathian set perk i can get 25 ticks of damage. If the monster is 3 stars it does 40 per tick giving me 1000 per proc, and 8000 per hunt. If the average monster is around 19000 that means Im doing....??? around 43% damage in poison alone?
So, after watching the vid, for a layman, is it worth it to carry poison bombs for a GS? Its free dmg so I cant see why not. Also Ive heard something about poison preventing Kushala from using her wind armor. Any hard info on that?
Poison gets her exhausted therefore lack the energy to fight hard, now dragon weakens her abilities streamers so I’d say bring poison bombs but bring a dragon elem weapon. That’s how I personally hunt.
"for us mere mortals" you say, but then what am i? A Popo dung? Ya i play cheap and gun monsters cuz im a scrub. Btw i like poison status on monsters hehe Educational videos as usual keep it up
You aren't a scrub when you dance around monster with high chances of getting one shotted lol. If anything gunning is on par with melee hunting because of how much more careful you have to be about getting hit
3:20 I don't think that's accurate. I noticed that monster with 1 star weakness to paralysis like Great Girros or Viper Tobi only gets paralyze for like 2 or 3 seconds. Monsters that has 2 or 3 star weakness to paralysis are usually paralyze for about 10 seconds.
Besides being unable to look away from typos, I'm glad you were able to clear up this information. We appreciate your hard work. Also... Swaxe meta series when? I have a friend who is nothing but b*tching about 1: Swaxes having crap designs, 2: Always having to sharpen his swaxe because it burns sharpness like a barn on fire, and 3: What Swaxe does better - Raw, Elemental, or Status. Pre-IB he ran Para-Swaxe, but I think he, as a swaxe main, got overwhelmed by IB weapons being more comparable to eachother.
I am currently using both the G Rathian and Paolomu Swaxes, one for comfy white sharpness, high raw and poison, the other for purple sharpness and lots of Booms! ever since i started using them it has really brought a nice fun change for me, because i was using only Great sword and Heavy Bow gun, now i can add more fun variety! oh also and in both sets i Rarely ever sharpen, if interested i been wanting to make mix set videos though i dont think i can answer the "design" and the "whats better, Raw, Elemental or Status" questions your friend has D:
@@Dyz89 😅 You do what you want, man! The 'design' thing is just Capcom not showing enough love to the weapons in general. Swaxe got screwed over in MR for designs more than any other weapon type. Personally I use all 14 weapons to varying degrees. I'm a Jack-Of-All-Trades kind of player. Some weapons I feel more comfortable using on some monsters, and other weapons (HH/DB) I don't find myself wanting to use much... Pretty much don't, unless the team I'm with wants to do some kind of strat. Usually we just go in, kill it, move on.
@@NnH_Kairyu I agree, though personally i do miss the unique weapon designs on some weapons, but i also wont "refuse" to use a weapon just because of how it looks, if i feel great using a weapon thats all that should matter same here i dont use all weapons, but i do use at least 6 weapons, i also find myself using certain weapons for specific monsters, but i do overall enjoy myself, hell Iceborne is doing something that i dont usually do in any MonHun game and thats to give other weapons and playstyles a try, like running a shotgun HGB, a sticky LBG, a Blast Swaxe, 100% crit Sns, i have fun with all of them :3! and hunting with friends is always a enjoyable experience
@@Dyz89 Speaking of sticky LBG, I threw together a set with what I had available and it worked fantastically right out the gate. I was thinking if submitting it to Arekkz's Mix Set Mondays or something, but I brushed it off assuming if I made something that efficient that easily, many others already have and probably have done better variations. 😅 But I do love running it against Kushala and Teo/Luna because Flashpods don't work anymore and getting about 1 KO per minute is ridiculous. I was told to use Jho LBG, but I found it less fun and less effective. After making a couple friends try my setup, they agreed mine was a lot funner to run. Not the fastest kills, but the KO-Lock is insane for multiplayer, having others able to constantly beat on a wounded face or whatever they need. I hadn't looked up Sticky LBG's, and I haven't since because I'm fine with mine. I tried to use 3 piece Nargacuga, but the cut in what I needed for the build was too much. Fading Blossom Zorah B (Artillery 4, KO, Artillery 1) Zorah B (Artillery 4, KO) Acidic B (Destroyer/?, KO, Steadfast) Zorah B (Flawless/Vitality, Phoenix) Kushala B (Destroyer/Vitality, Jumping) Razor Sharp Charm Edit: I haven't been successful in unlocking augmentation for Rarity 12 weapons yet. My group just kinda hunts whatever, whenever.
And that's why I wish this game also had Frontier's extra poison skill that increases poison damage and/or buildup if you beat it with poison while it's still poisoned...
I've been curious if a build like this would ever in any situation actually be optimal or worth the trouble of doing: Use some weapon with hidden poison + Namielle set bonus + non-elemental boost. You do fast combo attacks to proc the set bonus and inflict poison, you let it wear off and do bigger motion value attacks and get the non-elemental bonus until it is time to start trying to inflict poison again, repeat.
You could use Hammer. It has fast attacks and slow, hard hitting attacks in its kit. Slide attack to get poison proc and mount. Poison does damage during the mount. Monster goes down, use big bang. Repea
Could you do a comparison of poison vs blast, I'm averaging 7 poison procs per 30 min or less hunt and 9 with blast. And I'm curious as to which is giving me the larger bonus
I noticed the the poison duration up set bonus got a buff with IB, so I did a quick test. With poison duration up, Poison on HR Great Jagras lasted 26 ticks. So it appears to double poison duration now, for what it’s worth.
I'm kind of dissapointed that there is no word about posion damage scaling. Is it worth investing into poison damage effectivness or critical status. How using extended poison duration compare to this?
I didn't finish the video yet but if they didn't mention poison duration up then there is absolutely no point to this video. Poison Duration up is almost a 50% increase on time. 13 ticks to 24 or even 32 on certain monsters so like 40 x 24 = 960 damage per proc which can get to 4 procs if it's a long hunt.
That was technically covered in the Status video. It was stated that due to the threshhold increases to reapply statuses, you are not very likely to gain additional procs. So investing in status attacks will nake you deal statuses faster, but breaching the 5th proc is still a longshot. There wasn't anything about poison duration up of course - but you are electing to use Rath/Pink Rath armor, so it's easy to assume that you're losing out on damage
Considering how many variables are involved in simply calculating the "uptime" of poison procs alone: I CANNOT understand anyone criticizing your work without providing their own documentation to refute your claims. Calculating "uptime" & the effectiveness of poison vs. statuses like blast when fighting solo vs. how effective ailments are in a group is a MASSIVE challenge even if you have access to all relevant data values in the game's code. ESPECIALLY because the human element (aka the player) is not really a quantifiable variable due to the gap between the "worst" & "best" players being so large. Along with the variability of status effectiveness due to different monster weaknesses there's more than enough factors to make exact calculations impossible to precisely compute: the best case scenario is what you detail with your explanation of the "trends" that the math reveals & how those trends can/should be interpreted/acted upon. So TLDR: Great work as always even though I'm writing this comment so late I'm still referencing your videos while I attempt to take down Fatalis because I need every single potential avenue for increased damage I can get 😅
After your last video talking about poison and statuses buildup, it kind of cross my mind if using G Rath set for True Critical Element for faster buildup would be better or simply using Rathian Essence set(extend poison duration) might be feasible in long hunts. I tried, and somehow it does certainly seems Rathian Essence works better if I'm the only poison weapon user in the party.
Hunting Horn works very well with Status and especially Poison. I am currently running around with the Wolf Shamisen. It does not have the highest Poison Damage in the Hunting Horn category and yet, with just 4 levels of poison, I can basically keep the monster poisoned trough the entire hunt and mostly trough Multiplayer. I can´t wait to finally have the full Gold Rathian set, because I will be able to run with my Poison build to the max.
I know is an old video but I recently started playing insectglaive and I have one question, is the poison of the weapon and the poison of the insect the same ? Like they share the same status or I can apply 2 types of poison at the same time?
I'm very new to Meta Gaming and Numbers but if I understand what you are saying here does that mean that since Shelling doesn't apply status, a Gunlance player can shell and not apply poison until after the ticks, keeping the damage up and adding more poison while playing "Sloppier"?
Dont know if it's still relevant but in previous MH titles poison also had the benefit of deactivating the poisoned monster's natural hp regeneration (which some mobs had faster regen). That alone could be a huge factor in how long certain fights were/are
Soo what I got and cared aboot was, if it's poisoned you don't extend the effect or start applying the second poison on it if you keep attack it and if you start attacking but stop the buildup to the next proc decays.
12:16 the proc count and damage done is accumulated or is it each time the poison procs it deals that much percentage of damage? Is the 5th proc in total for a 3 star 40% of health damage? Or did all the procs in total deal 13.68%?
I wonder How much poison kinsect clouds apply and if it is ever worth running over blast... Especially if you might be running a blast glaive or have a blast weapon in your team?
So would this make poison greatsword viable? Say i use safi weapon with rathian set bonus and gold rathian 4 piece for crit status +. Since im hitting alot less, but still applying poison. That would ultimately make my poison that much stronger right?
Did poison get buffed after this video? I've been hearing contradicting info saying that poison status effect currently builds up even while a monster is poisoned
Paused when the numbers showed up as I am confused by this since it says on the wiki that 1Star= 5dmg per tic total 40 over 15, and that its double in high rank, and 4times more in master, so very different numbers I think? what is correct?
QUESTION!! How much more damage will I be doing per tick if I’ve got around 600 poison damage? With all the stats at 3:50 , how much poison damage does he have in his build to get those numbers?
i love you. this is beautiful. and explains so much. (pc player here, so im a bit late to the party) can you please please do a video on the math involving hunting horn note for spam vs impact echo to see how to make which one better? im a bit confused as to why capcom made the esiest of the two (note 4) do more damage than the harder one that takes more time and skill to pull off. i feel as though we're missing something here.. anyway. love the maths. keep it up please
So should i use the Luna LS if 3 other players are all using the Luna LS, is it still the best LS to use or would it be better to use something else in that situation?
Alternatively, you can just use poison smoke. Constant poison damage to the monster so long as it's touching. Just drop one every time the monster falls over. No reason not to for SnS, or any weapon you have to put away to run.
the more hits you can do it short time the faster you can do procs so yea sns would be better or even dual blades due too speed and unlike most weapons they are better with elemental procs rather then raw
HydrationRequirement no, because nobody uses it. You can double all the tick numbers for the rathian/pink set bonus. But you have to also note that because of this longer duration, you are also wasting a lot of poison applications as well.
MaiLBG actually tried mixing 2 pc set rathian with 3 pc set zorah against 3 star weak to poison monsters and found it actually viable. Actually helps on saving some sticky ammo especially if you get less than the average spare shot procs
Teo head, gloves, waist. Pink rath body and legs. Would work if you wanted masters touch. The rath armor parts give tool specialist which isn't that bad + decent deco slots.
So basically in a group one person applying high poison is better than multiple people using it as the poison damage gets added as a damage addition to the other players element or blast instead of all using poison as the natural damage will outcompete the poison over time compared to the extra done by a different element or effects? Sorry if im not explaining well.
Mahir Tahseen typically yes, I use the gold rath LS and no poison ups in any way or form. I play MP a lot and I’m typically the only poison. I usually see 4-5 poisons before w/e we are fighting dies
So I once read somewhere that when you proc a poison hit on a monster that is already poisoned that one proc will do extra damage based on the poison stat of the weapon. Is that true?
Hi Guys, very informative video as usual!! Is there a smiliar video for explosion damage in the making? I wonder how much better a raw weapon must be to beat it, espacially on SnS?
so i guess the question is, which weapon could benefit MOST from having poison on it and which one in total makes for the best poison weapon overall. granted its probably gold rath but, what about bowguns and shots from them doing the poison and then doing damage the rest of the time?
I understand that you to assume a lot during this video but I do think you didn't get the multiplayer part right 1) 6 pois proc x hunts is just unreasonable... You will just get faster times by mixing stuff up because poison weapon "lose" their element while the poison is active. 2) The % damage each player have to do in multiplayer is correct but also unreasonable You can assume each player have to do 62.5% damage only in organized speedrun teams with a lock control tactic In the real more realistic casual world the monster will ALSO move a lot more due to having 4 targets and only the heaviest main weapon will end up hitting the weakest spot every time and it is not even guaranteed (not even accounting for ally flinches, weapon type and a lot more quest RNG) 3) The way you calculated pois damage in multiplayer is just incorrect when accounting for multiple people running poison Poison damage does not scale with player numbers and so more profs just means... More procs... If a monster has 20K hp in solo and 50K in 4P... 6 pois procs will deal 3800 damage that is like 13% of the monster Hp... Meanwhile every weapon sacrificed % damage to run poison... And 6 pois procs again are just not realistic to get in hunt that is not a complete garbage You are better run only 1 poison weapon that will get 1-3 poison proc x hunt and use resources elsewhere 4) I know you didn't account for decay time and attack speed... But this is kinda necessary to do... By using your math a pukei weapon in MP deals more damage than the acidc glavenus one... Yea... Not happening The slower the weapon the less effective status is because monster will generally have more time to let the status decay At the same time faster weapons like DB are just better with element 5) Creating openings especially in MP is more important that you may actually think and is not a game of chance that from the first MH every single competitive multiplayer run uses a status Gunner o some guy that heavenly sacrifice damage to apply status control When you play multiplayer, with all the extra RNG related to that, every extra opening a weapon can create is a HUGE opportunity for EVERYONE to hit the monster for free This means that the more the monster is immobile and immobilized the less the quest time is That also translate in less poison procs 6) Creating opening my mixing elemental / status and raw is even better in casual hunts... Generally speaking casual player will end up hitting the part of the body that is "safer" to it or at least the one that they have the opportunity to hit You will not find casual Hunters that play around positioning, a thing you can expect a speedrunner to do instead Elemental damage is better when hitting part that are not weak zoned (this is true for basically every weapon against almost every monster... You have also to account that the part is not guaranteed to be tenderized and the possibility for wex to activate or not) Damaging status is always good because status application is hotzone value indipendent and control status is just always really good for creating opening Also every player that has played the game will learn how to use openings So leg trip, para, sleep, traps etc... Can increase the damage more than poison. I mean. How much damage you gain for tripping the monster and having 4 player hitting for free 1 or 2 extra times? How much for para/sleep/ko? I bet is more that 520 Yes you will lose damage for hitting the legs or running a para weapon but casual player will do that anyway. All this to say that suggesting or blindly saying that 4 poison weapon are good to run in MP is just untrue, and I'm not saying that is bad... But there are so many more optimized or better choices to make that I would not suggest status stacking ever 7) 1-5% extra true raw or element never decays / lose effectiveness and it is not rng indipendent. Once again, assumption can be done but the real game has so much more situation you have to account especially for multiplayer run Also Single player poison math is correct but again poison do not create openings and the poison procs x hunt are just too diverse from run to run also changing from weapon to weapon at the highest weapon. Same as before even creating 1 extra opening is a huge efr increase and here we have to divide casual from runners. Tl;Dr do not status stack ever --> there are so many better option to mix things up even in casual runs And please do not take strong position when there are a lot of variables. Even if the math is correct it can never be applied 1:1 in the real game because there is just too many variables and rng that is only multiplied in MP especially with 4 people
@@godhi4515 I just said that in the real world you can't calculate most of this stuff because it is hidden behind a huge amount of RNG and variables You can make estimates and their estimates are indeed correct, but are just that When you see real hunts things don't really work like that For the trip The extra trip can be caused by using alternative higher elemental or raw option, because they ARE sacrificing actual monster body damage when using poison weapon The pukei comparison was just an exaggeration to explain why the MP math was not correct You can make a spreadsheet and math it out, the result would be that in MP a pukei weapon is better than acidic glavenus that is just incorrect
i can only comment about using Dual Blades, but in my experience using Paralysis against a "1star weakness to paralyze" monster will result in a shorter duration paralyze than on a monster with 3 star weakness to Paralysis. Also, it takes longer to build up a Paralysis on a 1star monster than on a 3star; as in, its always this way, not just on consecutive Paralyzes.
So, a big gap in the video was ranged, which has a static application amount and a limited cap in ammo. Any idea what kind of EFR difference we are looking at for us gunners?
so what about rathian essence which poison duration is longer how much poison damage will poison do then ? and what about 1-4 poison attack skill levels ?
Two questions because i'm not sure I understood: With downtime being better than uptime, is it safe to assume the set bonus Rathian Essence which increases poison duration up is a bad thing? Are dualblades bad for poison since they hit more often and have less downtime between damage?
I'm not 100% sure I understand the numbers myself, I was more focused on learning the concept since I play solo lance and VERY occasionally with a single friend. But IF I understand it right: downtime making poison stronger just means that the less you hit the monster, the better a poison option is compared to a raw option. Poison still does just as much damage if you have high uptime, it's just not as big a difference in usefulness because a larger percentage of your damage comes from actually hitting the monster. MR Rathian Essence can still a very attractive option if the testing+math of another commenter here is accurate. HR version is trash due to how little effect it has, but MR basically doubles the duration, which means that the higher your downtime (a monster that moves too much, or flies out of reach a lot) the better it can be. Note that this was against a 3star weak monster in Iceborne, not sure if it has different effects on lower weaknesses or in base World at the current version. But if you can hit the monster often enough to proc poison as often as is reasonable, the set bonus is probably not that useful, because it'll probably spend roughly the same amount of time being poisoned. The main point of the set bonus is essentially that you don't have to deal with as high of a threshold, due to fewer procs raising it. So basically the usefulness of the set depends on whether the lower threshold would mean the monster spends more time being affected by poison. This is basically the same situation with weapon choice. DBs are still a good choice for poison if you're using GRath since their raw is still good, it's just not AS BIG of a difference in damage output compared to other weapons. But it again depends on whether you're able to hit the monster consistently, so if you can't hit it often then having it take damage anyway due to being poisoned can be very helpful.
Everything is viable just not optimal, you only do half the damage and status compared to normal single element DB, your element and status skills are only half as potent. You can use them anyway but they'll only be most effective against monsters that are really weak against both elements and status.
Would this mean that the Twin lovers GRath/SLos dual blades might be the best set of DB out there? I'm still fighting through trying to get GRath/SLos unlocked.
@@hydrationrequirement9762 on what earth do you think being safe and doing kinsect damage is more efficient then actual tornado slashing. Those builds are memes
@@hydrationrequirement9762 me being content or not wiith the motion values has nothing to do with what your statement was. Meme kinsect builds aren't the "best IG builds" period.
Poison for gunners is just additional damage over time while you use your main coatings/ammo. Basically the same as blademasters, it's a nice bonus on top of your raw damage. Building into it with tons of status skills isn't worth it.
if u doing a 10min+ video you maybe should consider to do either a small fact sheet below or a shot recap of important facts in the end. would be very helpfull
@jinx & Crew I have a question, how do the poison plants, Gajalka poison and co. work? Or rather how are they calculated? And since Monsters seem to be able to poison other Monsters, how to calculate that would be interesting too Thx for your great work, learned alot about my favorit game series thanks to u guys, keep it up :)
is there a way you would do a video comparing different status weapos to the relevant raw options in the game? as well as comparing them with each other?
I heard from multiple place recently that poison still builds up while the monster is poisoned, which is an exception to how stats work. Is it true? That would make it especially useful to have more than one of them in multiplayer... though I am always hunting foreveralone anyways. :v
So then does it mean it's overkill to use the final Ore line SA with free ele 3 and rathian essence and poison attack 4? Cause it's very easy to get the poison stat up really high that way.
It is overkill with SA. The weapons that can benefit the most from this are weapons that have to rely on targeting tricky hitzones so something like SnS, Bows, BGs, and Insect Glaive can have an interesting mix of poison and element if they want a poison kinsect.
Sow hat about the Rathian set bonus that increases Poison duration? the procs still deal the same amount, but there are more, so your net damage from each poison is ostensibly higher despite having possibly fewer poisons overall.
The main issue is that you lose a lot of damage on the set by running Rath Armor, which isn't worth it when poison is a side bonus for damage. Explosive bowguns on the other hand can run it without losing explosive ammo damage. Which leads to a nice damage gain from just plinking the mons with a few poison ammo.
Any chance you could take a look at elemental crit draw greatsword with velkhana set bonus ? How much damage does a charge 3 draw attack do on avarage to a 2/3 star weak enemy ? And how does it compare to a TCS from a taw GS ? (Which of course you cant get that quickly/consistently)
this is a much simpler but less accurate way to think about it, because of how status works you will very likely proc poison exactly 4 times (or 3 in a speedrun), poison weak monsters take a bit over 500 per proc, so when you compare a poison weapon to a raw weapon you have to ask yourself "will the extra damage on raw compared to poison be more then 2k over the course of the hunt"
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I just wanted to thank you guys for trying to keep your info as accurate as possible. Lot of other MH channels, while they aren't trying to spread misinformation or anything, speak in broad and generic terms, really avoiding the point of the video (understanding the underlying mechanics). I like how you guys get into the nitty gritty and don't shy away from getting as granular as possible so we can optimize our builds and play accordingly.
I got it! You start with a poison glaive with a paralysis kinsect, and a sleep weapon on your palico. After the elder dragon runs away to rest, yous switch to a blast glaive and blast bug to get several blast procs and do the most damage fast
This video needs a "In conclusion" section at the end. There is so much spreadsheet talk that you get lost in actual concrete useful information.
so true, I does need in conclusion, because it talks a lot but it lost in iself
There's a tldr at 30 seconds. It sounds like you just skipped over a bunch of stuff. Get over yourself
@@Raionhardtchill man
@@RaionhardtThat tldr only covers an error they initially made about 4 person hunt data.
The TL;DR is... Gold rathian doesn't give Lance weapons:( but the scarred Yian garuga does give a tasty poison lance.
Man I don't know how you calculate all that I got a headache from listenin y'all are amazing and the fact that you reuploaded means you care keep it up.
I had a laugh when I saw this video. I watched the first one the moment it popped up. So when I saw this appear, all I could think was "Uh oh. Something was wrong with the first one. Again." Seriously though, thank you guys for your hard work. Still sad about exhaust though.
I believe many other statuses are also affected by monster resistance. I know for sure that paralysis last much shorter duration against resistant monsters like Zinogre, Rajang, Toby Kadachi.
Having to explain Poison damage is the equivalent of explaining how magnets works on a scientific level.
We pretty much know how it works... but depends a lot on context and its applications are quite useful and straight forward (intuitively understood).
However, what we know on them is based on observations and having to explain the fundamental inner working of those makes us cringe because of all the assumptions we have to make...
Poison weapons... how do they work?
its silly how this level of complication is in a game abut killing/capturing monsters real fast.
I hear rumors that a 2 piece regular Rathian set DOUBLES the poison duration.
Jinx youre a true monster how dare you kill instead of capturing Dodogma
#savedodogama
You should always capture Dodogama with a face like that
But I carving helps your special tracks versus capping which helps raise the region level.
Theres a guy I play with who goes out of his way to murder dodogama every time he appears
@@alphaarcher4723 that guy is the true Monster we should be Hunt(er)ing.
I don't know if this helps, but Uragaan in 3U was the only monster you could kill with poison alone. You could bow him to death with a few arrows and just follow him around till he died. Kirin and Kushala also had some weird poison mechanics. It acted sort of like elderseal does.
wait, that is no longer the case?? I always took poison with every kushala fight..
Very classy move! This channel deserves more followers. The fact that you took down that video to make changes and reupload it shows real integrity.
3:50 for the poison DAMAGE numbers, tick numbers and time numbers.
Can you guys give us some Hunting Horn love? I'd love to see the math behind the echo note, it's interaction with Crit Ele and and Crit Status etc.
Srsly, I want to know if there is a way to make Zingore as good as the Atk Up Horns, if there is a meta I can have my friends run to get the most out of the guitar (it's so fucking cool, but I feel like I'm letting people down in multi-player when I run it).
Seeing anything horn related from him would be interesting to me aha
@@NeoDMC If you use a hunting horn at all, you're not letting your team down.
@@NeoDMC I mean, layered weapons exist
@@ericraululyeetusdelyeetus5028 Dude look at when that was posted, they sure as shit didn't back then, and there was no indication they would.
I really appreciate the diligence in keeping your information accurate, despite taking the financial hit and the time to make a new video. Also, great detail and info as always!
I'm just gonna say this. THAT POOR DODOGAMA! He's just the goodest boyyy!
Let's throw another wrench into the mix: poison palico weapons!
and kinsects
And ammo caps for gunners.
Ye, I like to give my palico a poison weapon cause its damage isn't very significant anyway, and I use an elementless raw weapon myself. Best of both worlds! ?
@@SifArtorias i gave mine a sleep weapon so some monsters sleep up to 3 times just because of that.
GamerLuc I also like my Palico to have a sleep weapon, guarantees a little bit of free damage or a bomb set up 👍
Great video and i just want to say the switch axe has a weapon that has 1156 poison damage or build up if u max out its poison its incredible combine that with the apothecary mantle i put down elder dragons in less than 10min and it looks cool cause the sword glows purple the only switch axe that does, check it out.
Does anyone know how the rathian set effect (regular rathian) affect poison procs ? It's supposed to extends the duration of the poison effects on the monsters.
Edit : Fine, i'll do it myself. A proc with Rathian Essence almost doubles the duration of the poison, making it last 25 ticks instead of 13 on three stars weak to poison monsters. It deals a thousand damage, over 50 seconds.
Thank you for the info :D
Thanks!!!! That take car of my question, I seem that works really well with the build in running vs safi
@@airsaucesam89 yes that seems sound, like 4k damage per proc? Pretty good...
i think dlc buffed it then. when i was testing it in world it was only adding 2 ticks and it was complete trash
@@Zamoxino interesting. Did you try on a poison week monster ?
Thanks for the shoutout! Not needed but much appreciated. You did a great job explaining the multiplayer side!
To be honest my Meta build is if the weapon makes me look fly I'll just hit the monster 'till he dead; you know what I'm sayin', simple math and strat for a simple noob like me 👊😎
I've been running a poison build with a switch-axe that does like 260 poison and a poison Phial that does around 800. I've counted and on solo I can get about 8 procs, and with the rathian set perk i can get 25 ticks of damage. If the monster is 3 stars it does 40 per tick giving me 1000 per proc, and 8000 per hunt. If the average monster is around 19000 that means Im doing....??? around 43% damage in poison alone?
Rastar eggs
Does that mean poison extender is worth it?
Talking abkut the chrome machina3? Fully unlock it, it should be like 800+800
I watched the original full video already (and quite enjoyed it), yet I still came by to give more views & likes 👍
So, after watching the vid, for a layman, is it worth it to carry poison bombs for a GS? Its free dmg so I cant see why not.
Also Ive heard something about poison preventing Kushala from using her wind armor. Any hard info on that?
Poison gets her exhausted therefore lack the energy to fight hard, now dragon weakens her abilities streamers so I’d say bring poison bombs but bring a dragon elem weapon. That’s how I personally hunt.
@@obywan7901
Ah! Thank you for that!
"for us mere mortals" you say, but then what am i? A Popo dung? Ya i play cheap and gun monsters cuz im a scrub.
Btw i like poison status on monsters hehe
Educational videos as usual keep it up
You aren't a scrub when you dance around monster with high chances of getting one shotted lol. If anything gunning is on par with melee hunting because of how much more careful you have to be about getting hit
3:20 I don't think that's accurate. I noticed that monster with 1 star weakness to paralysis like Great Girros or Viper Tobi only gets paralyze for like 2 or 3 seconds. Monsters that has 2 or 3 star weakness to paralysis are usually paralyze for about 10 seconds.
Great info but my head is spinning! I blame it on Iceborne just being released for PC and trying to absorb all the new stuff in. @_@
Besides being unable to look away from typos, I'm glad you were able to clear up this information. We appreciate your hard work.
Also... Swaxe meta series when? I have a friend who is nothing but b*tching about 1: Swaxes having crap designs, 2: Always having to sharpen his swaxe because it burns sharpness like a barn on fire, and 3: What Swaxe does better - Raw, Elemental, or Status.
Pre-IB he ran Para-Swaxe, but I think he, as a swaxe main, got overwhelmed by IB weapons being more comparable to eachother.
afaik swaxe is best w/ raw and power phials bc power scales w/ raw
I am currently using both the G Rathian and Paolomu Swaxes, one for comfy white sharpness, high raw and poison, the other for purple sharpness and lots of Booms! ever since i started using them it has really brought a nice fun change for me, because i was using only Great sword and Heavy Bow gun, now i can add more fun variety! oh also and in both sets i Rarely ever sharpen, if interested i been wanting to make mix set videos
though i dont think i can answer the "design" and the "whats better, Raw, Elemental or Status" questions your friend has D:
@@Dyz89 😅 You do what you want, man!
The 'design' thing is just Capcom not showing enough love to the weapons in general. Swaxe got screwed over in MR for designs more than any other weapon type.
Personally I use all 14 weapons to varying degrees. I'm a Jack-Of-All-Trades kind of player. Some weapons I feel more comfortable using on some monsters, and other weapons (HH/DB) I don't find myself wanting to use much... Pretty much don't, unless the team I'm with wants to do some kind of strat. Usually we just go in, kill it, move on.
@@NnH_Kairyu I agree, though personally i do miss the unique weapon designs on some weapons, but i also wont "refuse" to use a weapon just because of how it looks, if i feel great using a weapon thats all that should matter
same here i dont use all weapons, but i do use at least 6 weapons, i also find myself using certain weapons for specific monsters, but i do overall enjoy myself, hell Iceborne is doing something that i dont usually do in any MonHun game and thats to give other weapons and playstyles a try, like running a shotgun HGB, a sticky LBG, a Blast Swaxe, 100% crit Sns, i have fun with all of them :3! and hunting with friends is always a enjoyable experience
@@Dyz89 Speaking of sticky LBG, I threw together a set with what I had available and it worked fantastically right out the gate. I was thinking if submitting it to Arekkz's Mix Set Mondays or something, but I brushed it off assuming if I made something that efficient that easily, many others already have and probably have done better variations. 😅 But I do love running it against Kushala and Teo/Luna because Flashpods don't work anymore and getting about 1 KO per minute is ridiculous. I was told to use Jho LBG, but I found it less fun and less effective. After making a couple friends try my setup, they agreed mine was a lot funner to run.
Not the fastest kills, but the KO-Lock is insane for multiplayer, having others able to constantly beat on a wounded face or whatever they need.
I hadn't looked up Sticky LBG's, and I haven't since because I'm fine with mine. I tried to use 3 piece Nargacuga, but the cut in what I needed for the build was too much.
Fading Blossom
Zorah B (Artillery 4, KO, Artillery 1)
Zorah B (Artillery 4, KO)
Acidic B (Destroyer/?, KO, Steadfast)
Zorah B (Flawless/Vitality, Phoenix)
Kushala B (Destroyer/Vitality, Jumping)
Razor Sharp Charm
Edit: I haven't been successful in unlocking augmentation for Rarity 12 weapons yet. My group just kinda hunts whatever, whenever.
And that's why I wish this game also had Frontier's extra poison skill that increases poison damage and/or buildup if you beat it with poison while it's still poisoned...
that is rathian armor set bonus. This skill still exists , just not meta.
Z Sam It lets you apply status while the status is going?
I've been curious if a build like this would ever in any situation actually be optimal or worth the trouble of doing: Use some weapon with hidden poison + Namielle set bonus + non-elemental boost. You do fast combo attacks to proc the set bonus and inflict poison, you let it wear off and do bigger motion value attacks and get the non-elemental bonus until it is time to start trying to inflict poison again, repeat.
You could use Hammer. It has fast attacks and slow, hard hitting attacks in its kit. Slide attack to get poison proc and mount. Poison does damage during the mount. Monster goes down, use big bang. Repea
This might work, but namiele armor skill sucks
Mai LBG actually shortens his hunts by 1 minute by using poison.
Fadhil Dewabrata sucks but beautiful ☺️☺️💕
Could you do a comparison of poison vs blast, I'm averaging 7 poison procs per 30 min or less hunt and 9 with blast. And I'm curious as to which is giving me the larger bonus
I noticed the the poison duration up set bonus got a buff with IB, so I did a quick test.
With poison duration up, Poison on HR Great Jagras lasted 26 ticks. So it appears to double poison duration now, for what it’s worth.
it would have been better if poison does dmg based on % of max health
but then poison would actually be viable, and god forbid that,
I'm kind of dissapointed that there is no word about posion damage scaling. Is it worth investing into poison damage effectivness or critical status. How using extended poison duration compare to this?
I didn't finish the video yet but if they didn't mention poison duration up then there is absolutely no point to this video. Poison Duration up is almost a 50% increase on time. 13 ticks to 24 or even 32 on certain monsters so like 40 x 24 = 960 damage per proc which can get to 4 procs if it's a long hunt.
That was technically covered in the Status video.
It was stated that due to the threshhold increases to reapply statuses, you are not very likely to gain additional procs. So investing in status attacks will nake you deal statuses faster, but breaching the 5th proc is still a longshot.
There wasn't anything about poison duration up of course - but you are electing to use Rath/Pink Rath armor, so it's easy to assume that you're losing out on damage
Considering how many variables are involved in simply calculating the "uptime" of poison procs alone: I CANNOT understand anyone criticizing your work without providing their own documentation to refute your claims.
Calculating "uptime" & the effectiveness of poison vs. statuses like blast when fighting solo vs. how effective ailments are in a group is a MASSIVE challenge even if you have access to all relevant data values in the game's code.
ESPECIALLY because the human element (aka the player) is not really a quantifiable variable due to the gap between the "worst" & "best" players being so large. Along with the variability of status effectiveness due to different monster weaknesses there's more than enough factors to make exact calculations impossible to precisely compute: the best case scenario is what you detail with your explanation of the "trends" that the math reveals & how those trends can/should be interpreted/acted upon.
So TLDR: Great work as always even though I'm writing this comment so late I'm still referencing your videos while I attempt to take down Fatalis because I need every single potential avenue for increased damage I can get 😅
@JinJinx Love your work on these vids. Could you explain just quickly, how things change using ammo or coatings to apply poison?
After your last video talking about poison and statuses buildup, it kind of cross my mind if using G Rath set for True Critical Element for faster buildup would be better or simply using Rathian Essence set(extend poison duration) might be feasible in long hunts. I tried, and somehow it does certainly seems Rathian Essence works better if I'm the only poison weapon user in the party.
Rath Essence is almost essential for poison builds it's almost a 50% increase on tics 13 to 24 on 3 star
Hunting Horn works very well with Status and especially Poison.
I am currently running around with the Wolf Shamisen. It does not have the highest Poison Damage in the Hunting Horn category and yet, with just 4 levels of poison, I can basically keep the monster poisoned trough the entire hunt and mostly trough Multiplayer. I can´t wait to finally have the full Gold Rathian set, because I will be able to run with my Poison build to the max.
Yea with the build I run for poison normally keeps monsters effected throughout the hunt in solo and multi play
such a well thought out and explained guide :)
I know is an old video but I recently started playing insectglaive and I have one question, is the poison of the weapon and the poison of the insect the same ? Like they share the same status or I can apply 2 types of poison at the same time?
5:48 "hiting weakpoints". Laughs in gunlance. Thank you for the information! Always a blast seeing your videos.
Good on you man for keeping the info good vs views! Respect.
I'm very new to Meta Gaming and Numbers but if I understand what you are saying here does that mean that since Shelling doesn't apply status, a Gunlance player can shell and not apply poison until after the ticks, keeping the damage up and adding more poison while playing "Sloppier"?
Dont know if it's still relevant but in previous MH titles poison also had the benefit of deactivating the poisoned monster's natural hp regeneration (which some mobs had faster regen). That alone could be a huge factor in how long certain fights were/are
Soo what I got and cared aboot was, if it's poisoned you don't extend the effect or start applying the second poison on it if you keep attack it and if you start attacking but stop the buildup to the next proc decays.
12:16 the proc count and damage done is accumulated or is it each time the poison procs it deals that much percentage of damage? Is the 5th proc in total for a 3 star 40% of health damage? Or did all the procs in total deal 13.68%?
I wonder How much poison kinsect clouds apply and if it is ever worth running over blast... Especially if you might be running a blast glaive or have a blast weapon in your team?
So would this make poison greatsword viable? Say i use safi weapon with rathian set bonus and gold rathian 4 piece for crit status +. Since im hitting alot less, but still applying poison. That would ultimately make my poison that much stronger right?
Did poison get buffed after this video? I've been hearing contradicting info saying that poison status effect currently builds up even while a monster is poisoned
Hey Jynx, I am new to the game and I have a question, what is the best choice between gold Rathian LS and Safi Venom LS?
Paused when the numbers showed up as I am confused by this since it says on the wiki that 1Star= 5dmg per tic total 40 over 15, and that its double in high rank, and 4times more in master, so very different numbers I think? what is correct?
QUESTION!! How much more damage will I be doing per tick if I’ve got around 600 poison damage? With all the stats at 3:50 , how much poison damage does he have in his build to get those numbers?
So, with a poison weapon, is it worth to wear the Rath set (2 parts grants extended poison)??? Or just get the golden rath? what is the difference?
You didn't address Poison attack. Is it worth it running Poison attack 4 for more procs? How will it affect total dps?
Has this changed since the last time the video was made or does it still hold up?
i love you. this is beautiful. and explains so much.
(pc player here, so im a bit late to the party) can you please please do a video on the math involving hunting horn note for spam vs impact echo to see how to make which one better? im a bit confused as to why capcom made the esiest of the two (note 4) do more damage than the harder one that takes more time and skill to pull off. i feel as though we're missing something here.. anyway. love the maths. keep it up please
So should i use the Luna LS if 3 other players are all using the Luna LS, is it still the best LS to use or would it be better to use something else in that situation?
Alternatively, you can just use poison smoke. Constant poison damage to the monster so long as it's touching. Just drop one every time the monster falls over. No reason not to for SnS, or any weapon you have to put away to run.
Is there such a thing as which weapon is the best for poison as in, SnS or LS etc.. ?
the more hits you can do it short time the faster you can do procs so yea sns would be better or even dual blades due too speed and unlike most weapons they are better with elemental procs rather then raw
You didn't mention the pink rathian set. Is this math including the rathian set bonus?
HydrationRequirement no, because nobody uses it. You can double all the tick numbers for the rathian/pink set bonus. But you have to also note that because of this longer duration, you are also wasting a lot of poison applications as well.
MaiLBG actually tried mixing 2 pc set rathian with 3 pc set zorah against 3 star weak to poison monsters and found it actually viable. Actually helps on saving some sticky ammo especially if you get less than the average spare shot procs
Mai LBG actually shortens his hunt by 1 minute because of using the rathian set bonus.
Teo head, gloves, waist. Pink rath body and legs. Would work if you wanted masters touch. The rath armor parts give tool specialist which isn't that bad + decent deco slots.
@@levelupthworld ayy
soooooooo is it viable to use? from what I understand the worse you are at hitting the enemy the stronger poision is? I only play solo
So basically in a group one person applying high poison is better than multiple people using it as the poison damage gets added as a damage addition to the other players element or blast instead of all using poison as the natural damage will outcompete the poison over time compared to the extra done by a different element or effects?
Sorry if im not explaining well.
Question, I get the 4 poison assumption, but are all 4 procs usually finished before the hunt ends in your opinion/experience?
Mahir Tahseen typically yes, I use the gold rath LS and no poison ups in any way or form. I play MP a lot and I’m typically the only poison. I usually see 4-5 poisons before w/e we are fighting dies
So I once read somewhere that when you proc a poison hit on a monster that is already poisoned that one proc will do extra damage based on the poison stat of the weapon. Is that true?
Hi Guys, very informative video as usual!! Is there a smiliar video for explosion damage in the making? I wonder how much better a raw weapon must be to beat it, espacially on SnS?
So.... What's the TLDR version? Are poison weapons worth it?
so i guess the question is, which weapon could benefit MOST from having poison on it and which one in total makes for the best poison weapon overall. granted its probably gold rath but, what about bowguns and shots from them doing the poison and then doing damage the rest of the time?
Prob fast hitring , IG, DW, BOW, SnS, that good stuff
So if the standard amount of poisons per hunt for mortals is 4-5, then how many more can one hope to hit if factoring in True Critical Status?
I understand that you to assume a lot during this video but I do think you didn't get the multiplayer part right
1) 6 pois proc x hunts is just unreasonable... You will just get faster times by mixing stuff up because poison weapon "lose" their element while the poison is active.
2) The % damage each player have to do in multiplayer is correct but also unreasonable
You can assume each player have to do 62.5% damage only in organized speedrun teams with a lock control tactic
In the real more realistic casual world the monster will ALSO move a lot more due to having 4 targets and only the heaviest main weapon will end up hitting the weakest spot every time and it is not even guaranteed (not even accounting for ally flinches, weapon type and a lot more quest RNG)
3) The way you calculated pois damage in multiplayer is just incorrect when accounting for multiple people running poison
Poison damage does not scale with player numbers and so more profs just means... More procs...
If a monster has 20K hp in solo and 50K in 4P... 6 pois procs will deal 3800 damage that is like 13% of the monster Hp... Meanwhile every weapon sacrificed % damage to run poison... And 6 pois procs again are just not realistic to get in hunt that is not a complete garbage
You are better run only 1 poison weapon that will get 1-3 poison proc x hunt and use resources elsewhere
4) I know you didn't account for decay time and attack speed... But this is kinda necessary to do... By using your math a pukei weapon in MP deals more damage than the acidc glavenus one... Yea... Not happening
The slower the weapon the less effective status is because monster will generally have more time to let the status decay
At the same time faster weapons like DB are just better with element
5) Creating openings especially in MP is more important that you may actually think and is not a game of chance that from the first MH every single competitive multiplayer run uses a status Gunner o some guy that heavenly sacrifice damage to apply status control
When you play multiplayer, with all the extra RNG related to that, every extra opening a weapon can create is a HUGE opportunity for EVERYONE to hit the monster for free
This means that the more the monster is immobile and immobilized the less the quest time is
That also translate in less poison procs
6) Creating opening my mixing elemental / status and raw is even better in casual hunts...
Generally speaking casual player will end up hitting the part of the body that is "safer" to it or at least the one that they have the opportunity to hit
You will not find casual Hunters that play around positioning, a thing you can expect a speedrunner to do instead
Elemental damage is better when hitting part that are not weak zoned (this is true for basically every weapon against almost every monster... You have also to account that the part is not guaranteed to be tenderized and the possibility for wex to activate or not)
Damaging status is always good because status application is hotzone value indipendent and control status is just always really good for creating opening
Also every player that has played the game will learn how to use openings
So leg trip, para, sleep, traps etc... Can increase the damage more than poison. I mean. How much damage you gain for tripping the monster and having 4 player hitting for free 1 or 2 extra times? How much for para/sleep/ko? I bet is more that 520
Yes you will lose damage for hitting the legs or running a para weapon but casual player will do that anyway.
All this to say that suggesting or blindly saying that 4 poison weapon are good to run in MP is just untrue, and I'm not saying that is bad... But there are so many more optimized or better choices to make that I would not suggest status stacking ever
7) 1-5% extra true raw or element never decays / lose effectiveness and it is not rng indipendent.
Once again, assumption can be done but the real game has so much more situation you have to account especially for multiplayer run
Also Single player poison math is correct but again poison do not create openings and the poison procs x hunt are just too diverse from run to run also changing from weapon to weapon at the highest weapon. Same as before even creating 1 extra opening is a huge efr increase and here we have to divide casual from runners.
Tl;Dr do not status stack ever --> there are so many better option to mix things up even in casual runs
And please do not take strong position when there are a lot of variables. Even if the math is correct it can never be applied 1:1 in the real game because there is just too many variables and rng that is only multiplied in MP especially with 4 people
Incorrect
@@godhi4515 I just said that in the real world you can't calculate most of this stuff because it is hidden behind a huge amount of RNG and variables
You can make estimates and their estimates are indeed correct, but are just that
When you see real hunts things don't really work like that
For the trip
The extra trip can be caused by using alternative higher elemental or raw option, because they ARE sacrificing actual monster body damage when using poison weapon
The pukei comparison was just an exaggeration to explain why the MP math was not correct
You can make a spreadsheet and math it out, the result would be that in MP a pukei weapon is better than acidic glavenus that is just incorrect
i can only comment about using Dual Blades, but in my experience using Paralysis against a "1star weakness to paralyze" monster will result in a shorter duration paralyze than on a monster with 3 star weakness to Paralysis.
Also, it takes longer to build up a Paralysis on a 1star monster than on a 3star; as in, its always this way, not just on consecutive Paralyzes.
Is it worth it to use all my augments to increase poison damage?
I swear if you guys taught math Id pay to listen to jinxjinx just explain math shit even if I dont get it
So, a big gap in the video was ranged, which has a static application amount and a limited cap in ammo. Any idea what kind of EFR difference we are looking at for us gunners?
I have a question... what about poison duration up and from what your saying I don’t need true crit or critical status when running poison
so what about rathian essence which poison duration is longer how much poison damage will poison do then ? and what about 1-4 poison attack skill levels ?
I would appreciate some great sword love. Great video! Thanks for the correction and always staying on top of miss information.
Two questions because i'm not sure I understood:
With downtime being better than uptime, is it safe to assume the set bonus Rathian Essence which increases poison duration up is a bad thing?
Are dualblades bad for poison since they hit more often and have less downtime between damage?
I'm not 100% sure I understand the numbers myself, I was more focused on learning the concept since I play solo lance and VERY occasionally with a single friend. But IF I understand it right: downtime making poison stronger just means that the less you hit the monster, the better a poison option is compared to a raw option. Poison still does just as much damage if you have high uptime, it's just not as big a difference in usefulness because a larger percentage of your damage comes from actually hitting the monster. MR Rathian Essence can still a very attractive option if the testing+math of another commenter here is accurate. HR version is trash due to how little effect it has, but MR basically doubles the duration, which means that the higher your downtime (a monster that moves too much, or flies out of reach a lot) the better it can be. Note that this was against a 3star weak monster in Iceborne, not sure if it has different effects on lower weaknesses or in base World at the current version. But if you can hit the monster often enough to proc poison as often as is reasonable, the set bonus is probably not that useful, because it'll probably spend roughly the same amount of time being poisoned. The main point of the set bonus is essentially that you don't have to deal with as high of a threshold, due to fewer procs raising it. So basically the usefulness of the set depends on whether the lower threshold would mean the monster spends more time being affected by poison.
This is basically the same situation with weapon choice. DBs are still a good choice for poison if you're using GRath since their raw is still good, it's just not AS BIG of a difference in damage output compared to other weapons. But it again depends on whether you're able to hit the monster consistently, so if you can't hit it often then having it take damage anyway due to being poisoned can be very helpful.
@@alishanagy9595 That was actually really helpful and cleared things up for me. I appreciate the reply.
No but seriously what about those two dual blades? The kush/teo blast & ice and the raths poison & fire? How viable are they really?
Everything is viable just not optimal, you only do half the damage and status compared to normal single element DB, your element and status skills are only half as potent. You can use them anyway but they'll only be most effective against monsters that are really weak against both elements and status.
Would this mean that the Twin lovers GRath/SLos dual blades might be the best set of DB out there? I'm still fighting through trying to get GRath/SLos unlocked.
Is it worth it to run poison on dual blades?
After you get that 4th proc, if you have to warp or are waiting for it to limp far away, it might be worth switching sets.
Y apologize now there’s twice the content. And can you make a fully optimized best insect glaive build plz.
Insect glaive is in a bad place right now. Search for the kinsect build on RUclips. That's seems to be the best IG build currently.
HydrationRequirement everyone also plays grounded even with the commitment
@@hydrationrequirement9762 on what earth do you think being safe and doing kinsect damage is more efficient then actual tornado slashing. Those builds are memes
@@SimbaKillzZ are you content with the damage from your tornado slashes?
@@hydrationrequirement9762 me being content or not wiith the motion values has nothing to do with what your statement was. Meme kinsect builds aren't the "best IG builds" period.
So is it safe to assume Poison Bows arent worth running even if someone wants to rack up the poison tick dmg? Over the favorable Element weakness?
bows are elemental weapons, raw sucks. so u cant compare them. if they have poison coating, just use it if the monster is not poisoned. m'kay?
Poison for gunners is just additional damage over time while you use your main coatings/ammo. Basically the same as blademasters, it's a nice bonus on top of your raw damage. Building into it with tons of status skills isn't worth it.
if u doing a 10min+ video you maybe should consider to do either a small fact sheet below or a shot recap of important facts in the end. would be very helpfull
@jinx & Crew
I have a question, how do the poison plants, Gajalka poison and co. work? Or rather how are they calculated?
And since Monsters seem to be able to poison other Monsters, how to calculate that would be interesting too
Thx for your great work, learned alot about my favorit game series thanks to u guys, keep it up :)
I used to hate poison now I love it
is there a way you would do a video comparing different status weapos to the relevant raw options in the game? as well as comparing them with each other?
I heard from multiple place recently that poison still builds up while the monster is poisoned, which is an exception to how stats work. Is it true? That would make it especially useful to have more than one of them in multiplayer... though I am always hunting foreveralone anyways. :v
So then does it mean it's overkill to use the final Ore line SA with free ele 3 and rathian essence and poison attack 4? Cause it's very easy to get the poison stat up really high that way.
It is overkill with SA. The weapons that can benefit the most from this are weapons that have to rely on targeting tricky hitzones so something like SnS, Bows, BGs, and Insect Glaive can have an interesting mix of poison and element if they want a poison kinsect.
So giving my palico the Rathian rapier was a good idea while I proc blast?
Hey, what does poison functionality do?
Sow hat about the Rathian set bonus that increases Poison duration? the procs still deal the same amount, but there are more, so your net damage from each poison is ostensibly higher despite having possibly fewer poisons overall.
The main issue is that you lose a lot of damage on the set by running Rath Armor, which isn't worth it when poison is a side bonus for damage.
Explosive bowguns on the other hand can run it without losing explosive ammo damage. Which leads to a nice damage gain from just plinking the mons with a few poison ammo.
Thank you for another great video.
Any chance you could take a look at elemental crit draw greatsword with velkhana set bonus ? How much damage does a charge 3 draw attack do on avarage to a 2/3 star weak enemy ? And how does it compare to a TCS from a taw GS ? (Which of course you cant get that quickly/consistently)
Christoph Held weak great sword have lowest element multiplier like 1.1
@@nookslamps797 Afaik element is now affected by the charge of the GS, which makes it viable now
this is a much simpler but less accurate way to think about it, because of how status works you will very likely proc poison exactly 4 times (or 3 in a speedrun), poison weak monsters take a bit over 500 per proc, so when you compare a poison weapon to a raw weapon you have to ask yourself "will the extra damage on raw compared to poison be more then 2k over the course of the hunt"
Thank you so much guys
too much math for 1 am
You guys are awesome!! Keep it up.
thats much info to take in one video 🤯
but what about if the team runs poison + blast, wouldn't that be much more effective?