i have realized another ignored reason for hand pain after long uses of mouse is, the height distance between desk and chair, it creates a lot of issue sometimes and we ignore it and think it is hand or mouse, great stuff as always though. very informative.
thank u! thats a good point yea, i dont feel qualified to talk abt it in a video but what ive found is that if i stick my forearm out 90 degrees the desk should be just about under it without any straining. whats been ur experience with this?
@@ViscoseOCE i have been struggling in this height issue for years, finally i got my desk height reduced and what i found a good relaxing position for long hours is where chair height is consistent with these condition :
1-feet should be able to touch ground with 70-80 degree angle to keep it relaxed 2-upper arm should make a down 80-90% angle and lower arm should be on desk without much pressure and no lifting obvious to keep hand relaxed 3-screen top should be making a straight line with your eye angle,or monitoir can be a bit lower, becasue its hard to look up but much easy to look down 4-monitor distance with eyes should be close enough so you don't go closer to screen while playing. but it you should be able to see full screen with rotating your neck. i prefer good longevity option, i am still exploring with my experience and time, hope these point makes sense.
@@ViscoseOCE That's around the height i've settled on too and seems to be what most ergonomics experts recommend. I used the G602 for a while and was always sitting way too low. it absolutely murdered my wrist. Thank god I changed mice, and the way I sat.
Just yesterday I put together my desk from Ikea because I felt this was a problem for me. Combined height of the legs and desk is about 25" which is a lot more comfortable compared to my previous desk of 30". A lot of legs for desks don't adjust that low which is such a shame because I feel that a lot of people will use a desk that is too high because they cant even easily test one at a lower possibly more comfortable position.
This is really interesting and insightful, when I'm aim training I always found myself changing my grip in some way depending on what I was training and it made me think I was doing it to chase a new highscore rather than trying to improve. Thanks for talking about this!
thank you so much, i finally decide to stop copying whatever grip i saw you used from your last highlight and go whatever comfortable for me, palm for flick and claw for tracking, no more tiring and my performance also skyrocket
So deep about this topic, i used to play g50'2 and still in palm grip at a gpx, moving to op18k, feels like im going to face the same situation because its time to try claw, great video vis!
Viscose I missed your video so muchhhh! Actually helpful to have a decent insight from proven aimer on mouse grip cuz ive been struggling on mine. tyty
Awesome vid once again Vis! For some reason I always felt like I “should” switch to claw grip for balance at the back of my mind, so hearing this really helps me just full send fingertip, thanks for that!
I just recently discovered your channel through your mouse pad speed google doc + Orbital project you're a part of. Great stuff! The aim training subreddit can be a bit elitist, but your content is informative and chill, so thank you! Also great BFV clips! Battlefield's comp & creator scene leaves a lot to be desired.
I actually noticed that after getting a smaller mouse and adding those adhesive rubber grips on the main buttons, my mouse grip went from a palm grip to a weird claw fingertip variation... that fits me perfectly, as weird as that combo may sound. also glad that you finally found that dusty old note with your password on it
Thank you , Ive been thinking about my grip lately and you have given me a better picture about this topic. I might try out the fingertip grip but if it doesnt work im gonna stick to my claw grip
been playing fingertip all my life and now switched to palmgrip after watching this video and i feel so much comfortable on val. with fingertip on tacfps i seem to tense and my aim goes everywhere but with palmgrip it makes me control the mouse. great video ♥
Switched recently from years of fingertip to claw because i never got rid of shaky flicks. Now it feels like the perfect balance of stability and range of motion.
This was very helpful. I obsess over grip and you addressed all the reasons why I obsess over it so thanks a bunch! Now I just wish I could understand how you control recoil. Maybe some day. 🥰
W educational video as always. I find that my grip changes depending on the kind of aiming im doing as well. I notice when I play static scenarios or tack fps games, I would gravitate naturally towards a fingertip grip because the micro adjustments fingertip gives in those aiming scenarios are nessesary to perform well for me.
A thing that helped me with choosing a grip style and mouse later on was Rocket Jump Ninjas videos and website. He goes very in-depth about every aspect of a mouse and your grip.
Shape and sensor position will also have a role in how you end up gripping your mouse. I'm a claw gripper but can't grip the GPX for example because its shape doesn't really allow it. It kinda forces you to fingertip or palm it.
I have something like a finger-claw grip where the ring finger is at the very beginning of the mouse and the little fingers are below the middle.. I don’t know why, but it’s really convenient for me to hold it like that. When I try to pick up the mouse as you showed, my sight starts to shake. But from time to time I will try to learn how to hold the mouse with all the grips that you showed in this video. Thanks for the video, it really helps me understand because there are very few videos on this topic
Knuckle claw with a glove - upper palm (knuckle) contact for extra stability + glove to reduce friction between the mouse and skin for easier vertical motion. Works well with some other claw and palm variants also depending on the mouse shape (more so with ergos). Mouse stays straight because of the shape of the hand/palm, not because of skin and mouse friction. Glove material matters for the amount of preferred friction.
Hey Viscose! I was wondering if you could do a video on the state of FPS games, which ones are your favorite currently, and maybe just an overview of some of the bigger titles, as well maybe upcoming releases you're excited about. Would love to see that!
Quite literally the most real thing in this video, I switch my grip subconsciously depending on what situation, game or task im performing at that very moment, or am about to perform, it was something that just happens when you switch a lot, at least for me it did.
great video, I agree with your thoughts. From my personal experience and understanding, mouse grip does not matter (and i mean you shouldn't think about it). I believe mouse shapes matter way more like you covered. The real issue you should worry about is how you use ur arm and wrist to move the mouse in whatever game/situation. It's way more important to find a mouse you like shape wise and just try it out. The more you use it, your grip will slowly gravitate to its comfort state. If you don't, find whats the issue and look for a mouse that reduces the uncomfortability.
I've been going through the same journey and for the longest time was using some weird pincer claw grip. Target acquisition was very good, but tracking stability was dog. I now settled for claw grip too after many hours of practising and going through many mice. I now settled for both a Viper v3 Pro and an OP1 8K which is also in the video I believe.
Well, in my opinion there's one more thing at least to add into the equation of mouse grip. You're spot on with "if no grip feels right, start experimenting with shapes". I'd say that not only shapes, but also a big thing: posture. Having the base of the palm on or off the mousepad, forearm pronation/supination and so on. But at the same time 100% agree there's little to no benefit of overthinking it. Like I tried to put grip tape on the spots I placed my fingers at one day, and the next day I played worse. Probably just because of having that conscious stress of placing my fingers on that grip tape haha. Just an example for some context: I used to play with an MX518 with a 1-3-1 and a hover for a long time. When the mouse broke I couldn't use any other shape thinking I'm an alien. It took me a couple of years of playing through pain with different shapes to realize that my right shoulder posture should be corrected (it was rotated forward and dropped low). Right now I can use any mouse and any grip with reasonable comfort just because the whole chain of shoulder, forearm, wrist and palm are in a much better position 😱
hello!!! I am a new subscriber and the way you aim in any game is incredible. It is surprising. The dedication I give to games personally is high, not as high as you, but I definitely do it. Now I have a very significant problem and I think I am not the only one who has this problem. How do I do if I'm very good at Counter Strike and in Valorant I don't feel the same sensitivity. The change in sensitivities in different games is super strange and it's not exactly known if it's because of the cm length or just the sensation of microcorrections or long flicks.
Since I started using a mouse I always grip like between claw and fingertip and later found it is pincer claw grip, Cant believe I grip like this from kid to now
Viscose change the “Headset” to “headphones” because it does not have microphone! People will get confused xDD Anyways nice video! When i was a kid i used to play with fingertip and claw’ish grip style, and went to palm and back to fingertip grip! The problem is that i used to have cheaper mice back in the day that was way smaller, and that forced me to play with fingertip grip! And then i purchased my first razer mouse (Deathadder) and without me noticing, i went to palm grip, which made me play worse… and i was searching what was holding me back until i found out what grip i’m using… and yeah, i completely forgot at the time what grip i used before (because fingertip grip for me is the most neutral and most comfortable grip) so after many…many years of searching, i found out that i was a fingertip grip user back in the days (I checked my older videos of me playing, my brother captured me) so i went back and tried it out and it was a much better feel overall for many months and years now!
I had sort of the same process, except I never palmed (my hands are too big to palm any mouse), but I went from Clawing a deathadder, to Clawing a Sensei 310, to fingertipping a GPW, to finally Hybrid claw-fingertipping a GPX, and here I am today. Ok maybe I simplified it a bit, since I've owned more mice, but that's the process in a nutshell.
Your point about fingertip grip making your aim shaky when you tense your fingers is exactly why my aim became 5x better when I started using 10cm/360 sens. Before I used to play on around 20cm/360, which is still high, but my problem was that I kwpt tensing my fingers to do flicks, which ended up massively hindering my overall aim. Ever since I switched to a 10cm/360 which meant I could casually make flicks without much effort, and practice on precision my aim became 5x better.
I've always used fingertip grip. It came natural to me. And was areally nice for me when i played CS:GO since i was awper and had to do big flicks fast. But i was struggling as a rifler due to MA. Switched to hard pad and micro adjustments was no issue anymore. Highly recommend for anyone using fingertip to get a hard pad.
I call my grip "relaxed, tilted claw" or "pencil claw". I tend to grip my mouse in a way I'd hold a pencil. Because I sit ergonomically I have to tilt my hand in order to prevent bone cross in my wrist. Also, my pinky finger sticks outwards by about 3mm, so any mouse with hourglas shape/front flare outs cause me extreame pain and discomfort. I've found only 2 mice that don't cause me any discomfort/stiffness and those are 1. Haste 2 Mini and 2. OP1we. It was a long journey through 15+ different gaming mice.
My mouse grip and mouse type was easy for me., plastics make my hand sweat so nothing in my palm was a comfort must.. thus I am a pincer claw/fingertip mouse enjoyer
when i game, like dependable on what genra of games, i change my grip on mouse, and sometimes while in a match i change grib style, like if my hand feel uncortable in that position for to loong, than i change it abit to like have a more comfortable grib while also aim decently (with my newbie aim) but in a generally sens, working on adaptabillity, is a good way to get a better understanding of ur mouse, and how u wanna aim in a game, like what sens and dpi feels right, i tend to play games over meny different genra, so i rather work on learning to fast adapt to things than going for like the constant same sens and dpi, i adapt to how fast im aiming and games while also feeling how much i wanna move my mouse from side to side
As a fingertip enjoyier I think claw grip is also really good. It's up to individual preferences and the mouse you are using. Unfortunately, most mice don't have a very good shape for fingertip grip.
I use a similar grip, I relaxed fingertip as a baseline and whenever I do faster motions I usually have palm contact. The area where my palm contacts even changes depending on the position of the mouse relative to my hand. Many years ago I used palm grip when I was playing on a very slow mousepad and a mouse with a thick, heavy wire and I automatically transitioned to that new grip over time when I replaced the wire with a paracord and got a faster mousepad. Around that time I wanted to get a new mouse so I was trying to figure out what grip I was using and I was super confused because my new grip was changing between fingertip and claw but I still sometimes palmed the mouse back then so I basically used all 3 grip styles. And I'm still not sure if my current grip is more of a fingertip or a claw grip. I guess it's both.
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i have realized another ignored reason for hand pain after long uses of mouse is, the height distance between desk and chair, it creates a lot of issue sometimes and we ignore it and think it is hand or mouse,
great stuff as always though. very informative.
thank u! thats a good point yea, i dont feel qualified to talk abt it in a video but what ive found is that if i stick my forearm out 90 degrees the desk should be just about under it without any straining. whats been ur experience with this?
@@ViscoseOCE i have been struggling in this height issue for years,
finally i got my desk height reduced
and what i found a good relaxing position for long hours is where chair height is consistent with these condition :
1-feet should be able to touch ground with 70-80 degree angle to keep it relaxed
2-upper arm should make a down 80-90% angle and lower arm should be on desk without much pressure and no lifting obvious to keep hand relaxed
3-screen top should be making a straight line with your eye angle,or monitoir can be a bit lower, becasue its hard to look up but much easy to look down
4-monitor distance with eyes should be close enough so you don't go closer to screen while playing. but it you should be able to see full screen with rotating your neck.
i prefer good longevity option, i am still exploring with my experience and time,
hope these point makes sense.
@@ViscoseOCE That's around the height i've settled on too and seems to be what most ergonomics experts recommend. I used the G602 for a while and was always sitting way too low. it absolutely murdered my wrist. Thank god I changed mice, and the way I sat.
Struth has a couple really good videos on how posture affects your aim
Just yesterday I put together my desk from Ikea because I felt this was a problem for me. Combined height of the legs and desk is about 25" which is a lot more comfortable compared to my previous desk of 30". A lot of legs for desks don't adjust that low which is such a shame because I feel that a lot of people will use a desk that is too high because they cant even easily test one at a lower possibly more comfortable position.
Damn i missed your videos. Have rewatched your old ones like 10 times just cause they're so satisfying
This is really interesting and insightful, when I'm aim training I always found myself changing my grip in some way depending on what I was training and it made me think I was doing it to chase a new highscore rather than trying to improve. Thanks for talking about this!
thank you so much, i finally decide to stop copying whatever grip i saw you used from your last highlight and go whatever comfortable for me, palm for flick and claw for tracking, no more tiring and my performance also skyrocket
This was a great video! I’ve been struggling with overthinking this lately. Actually just took every single anxiety I had about it away
Amazing quality as always 🙌🏾
already know this video is gonna be another classic viscose banger, W
Your videos are always well made and very informative, always worth watching.
So deep about this topic, i used to play g50'2 and still in palm grip at a gpx, moving to op18k, feels like im going to face the same situation because its time to try claw, great video vis!
Another great vid! I've missed this high quality content.
Viscose I missed your video so muchhhh! Actually helpful to have a decent insight from proven aimer on mouse grip cuz ive been struggling on mine. tyty
Awesome vid once again Vis! For some reason I always felt like I “should” switch to claw grip for balance at the back of my mind, so hearing this really helps me just full send fingertip, thanks for that!
thank you! you're perspective has steadily improved my aim!
This is the first video on the topic that makes sense to me. Thankyou
I just recently discovered your channel through your mouse pad speed google doc + Orbital project you're a part of. Great stuff! The aim training subreddit can be a bit elitist, but your content is informative and chill, so thank you!
Also great BFV clips! Battlefield's comp & creator scene leaves a lot to be desired.
I actually noticed that after getting a smaller mouse and adding those adhesive rubber grips on the main buttons, my mouse grip went from a palm grip to a weird claw fingertip variation... that fits me perfectly, as weird as that combo may sound.
also glad that you finally found that dusty old note with your password on it
another great and informative video by Viscose!
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Really well made viscose. Keep it up!
Thank you , Ive been thinking about my grip lately and you have given me a better picture about this topic. I might try out the fingertip grip but if it doesnt work im gonna stick to my claw grip
been playing fingertip all my life and now switched to palmgrip after watching this video and i feel so much comfortable on val. with fingertip on tacfps i seem to tense and my aim goes everywhere but with palmgrip it makes me control the mouse. great video ♥
I really hope you continue to upload more of these videos or longer videos of your gameplay like the apex scrims, they are very enjoyable to watch!
i didnt know anyone actually watched vids like the apex scrims ones haha, thanks! ill give it some thought
Thanks for the new vid. It would be great if you made a video on how to train your aim, for newbs and advanced players
Great vid Vis, looking forward to another stream
Switched recently from years of fingertip to claw because i never got rid of shaky flicks. Now it feels like the perfect balance of stability and range of motion.
YO i loved the music in the bg always been a fan of those lofi artists and just makes the vid more pleasant overall i think
ty!! im rly glad ppl do notice those haha, ill keep including similar songs :>
goated video as usual!
very nice topic and video ! well done !!
Great video again as usual
This was very helpful. I obsess over grip and you addressed all the reasons why I obsess over it so thanks a bunch! Now I just wish I could understand how you control recoil. Maybe some day. 🥰
W educational video as always. I find that my grip changes depending on the kind of aiming im doing as well. I notice when I play static scenarios or tack fps games, I would gravitate naturally towards a fingertip grip because the micro adjustments fingertip gives in those aiming scenarios are nessesary to perform well for me.
Great video, detailed and fantastic explanation of why there is no perfect grip!
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Great video Viscose
Very nice and informative vid!
I just switched to a much wider mouse and this makes so much sense rn! Ok, back to not thinking about it.
That would explain why I've been struggling with trying different grip styles with my g502. It seems so obvious but I never really thought about it.
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damn, I was always under the mindset that your grip should always be exactly the same every time so I'm glad you said it can be malleable
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nice to see you press the upload button. big brain ideas presented here as always
Nice mouse pad and great video!
A thing that helped me with choosing a grip style and mouse later on was Rocket Jump Ninjas videos and website. He goes very in-depth about every aspect of a mouse and your grip.
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Shape and sensor position will also have a role in how you end up gripping your mouse. I'm a claw gripper but can't grip the GPX for example because its shape doesn't really allow it. It kinda forces you to fingertip or palm it.
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I have something like a finger-claw grip where the ring finger is at the very beginning of the mouse and the little fingers are below the middle.. I don’t know why, but it’s really convenient for me to hold it like that. When I try to pick up the mouse as you showed, my sight starts to shake. But from time to time I will try to learn how to hold the mouse with all the grips that you showed in this video. Thanks for the video, it really helps me understand because there are very few videos on this topic
Great video ❤
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saving this for when i have an off day and want to change my mouse grip and swap to different mice 999999 times
Knuckle claw with a glove - upper palm (knuckle) contact for extra stability + glove to reduce friction between the mouse and skin for easier vertical motion. Works well with some other claw and palm variants also depending on the mouse shape (more so with ergos). Mouse stays straight because of the shape of the hand/palm, not because of skin and mouse friction. Glove material matters for the amount of preferred friction.
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Hey Viscose! I was wondering if you could do a video on the state of FPS games, which ones are your favorite currently, and maybe just an overview of some of the bigger titles, as well maybe upcoming releases you're excited about. Would love to see that!
Quite literally the most real thing in this video, I switch my grip subconsciously depending on what situation, game or task im performing at that very moment, or am about to perform, it was something that just happens when you switch a lot, at least for me it did.
great video, I agree with your thoughts. From my personal experience and understanding, mouse grip does not matter (and i mean you shouldn't think about it). I believe mouse shapes matter way more like you covered. The real issue you should worry about is how you use ur arm and wrist to move the mouse in whatever game/situation. It's way more important to find a mouse you like shape wise and just try it out. The more you use it, your grip will slowly gravitate to its comfort state. If you don't, find whats the issue and look for a mouse that reduces the uncomfortability.
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Nah Viscose videos are actually such good topics with such good coverage
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I've been going through the same journey and for the longest time was using some weird pincer claw grip. Target acquisition was very good, but tracking stability was dog. I now settled for claw grip too after many hours of practising and going through many mice. I now settled for both a Viper v3 Pro and an OP1 8K which is also in the video I believe.
yet another based and aware video from Viscose. Very informative video 👍
Thank you for making an objectively correct video and debunking the rabbithole's clickbait
very usefull information
Well, in my opinion there's one more thing at least to add into the equation of mouse grip. You're spot on with "if no grip feels right, start experimenting with shapes". I'd say that not only shapes, but also a big thing: posture. Having the base of the palm on or off the mousepad, forearm pronation/supination and so on.
But at the same time 100% agree there's little to no benefit of overthinking it. Like I tried to put grip tape on the spots I placed my fingers at one day, and the next day I played worse. Probably just because of having that conscious stress of placing my fingers on that grip tape haha.
Just an example for some context:
I used to play with an MX518 with a 1-3-1 and a hover for a long time. When the mouse broke I couldn't use any other shape thinking I'm an alien. It took me a couple of years of playing through pain with different shapes to realize that my right shoulder posture should be corrected (it was rotated forward and dropped low). Right now I can use any mouse and any grip with reasonable comfort just because the whole chain of shoulder, forearm, wrist and palm are in a much better position 😱
hello!!! I am a new subscriber and the way you aim in any game is incredible. It is surprising. The dedication I give to games personally is high, not as high as you, but I definitely do it. Now I have a very significant problem and I think I am not the only one who has this problem. How do I do if I'm very good at Counter Strike and in Valorant I don't feel the same sensitivity. The change in sensitivities in different games is super strange and it's not exactly known if it's because of the cm length or just the sensation of microcorrections or long flicks.
Since I started using a mouse I always grip like between claw and fingertip and later found it is pincer claw grip, Cant believe I grip like this from kid to now
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Viscose change the “Headset” to “headphones” because it does not have microphone! People will get confused xDD
Anyways nice video! When i was a kid i used to play with fingertip and claw’ish grip style, and went to palm and back to fingertip grip!
The problem is that i used to have cheaper mice back in the day that was way smaller, and that forced me to play with fingertip grip! And then i purchased my first razer mouse (Deathadder) and without me noticing, i went to palm grip, which made me play worse… and i was searching what was holding me back until i found out what grip i’m using… and yeah, i completely forgot at the time what grip i used before (because fingertip grip for me is the most neutral and most comfortable grip) so after many…many years of searching, i found out that i was a fingertip grip user back in the days (I checked my older videos of me playing, my brother captured me) so i went back and tried it out and it was a much better feel overall for many months and years now!
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I had sort of the same process, except I never palmed (my hands are too big to palm any mouse), but I went from Clawing a deathadder, to Clawing a Sensei 310, to fingertipping a GPW, to finally Hybrid claw-fingertipping a GPX, and here I am today.
Ok maybe I simplified it a bit, since I've owned more mice, but that's the process in a nutshell.
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Your channel is very good, don't stay without posting for a long time pls 😆
ill try my best! cant promise anything though, this last absence was bc i got sick 3 times LOL
Your point about fingertip grip making your aim shaky when you tense your fingers is exactly why my aim became 5x better when I started using 10cm/360 sens. Before I used to play on around 20cm/360, which is still high, but my problem was that I kwpt tensing my fingers to do flicks, which ended up massively hindering my overall aim. Ever since I switched to a 10cm/360 which meant I could casually make flicks without much effort, and practice on precision my aim became 5x better.
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anyway you can hold it and keep your had relaxed is best
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I've always used fingertip grip. It came natural to me. And was areally nice for me when i played CS:GO since i was awper and had to do big flicks fast. But i was struggling as a rifler due to MA. Switched to hard pad and micro adjustments was no issue anymore. Highly recommend for anyone using fingertip to get a hard pad.
Thanks for the vid
Basically, look up the "there's no free lunch" theorem.
I call my grip "relaxed, tilted claw" or "pencil claw". I tend to grip my mouse in a way I'd hold a pencil. Because I sit ergonomically I have to tilt my hand in order to prevent bone cross in my wrist. Also, my pinky finger sticks outwards by about 3mm, so any mouse with hourglas shape/front flare outs cause me extreame pain and discomfort. I've found only 2 mice that don't cause me any discomfort/stiffness and those are 1. Haste 2 Mini and 2. OP1we. It was a long journey through 15+ different gaming mice.
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My mouse grip and mouse type was easy for me., plastics make my hand sweat so nothing in my palm was a comfort must.. thus I am a pincer claw/fingertip mouse enjoyer
My only question is.. ZA13c wireless when ?
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when i game, like dependable on what genra of games, i change my grip on mouse, and sometimes while in a match i change grib style, like if my hand feel uncortable in that position for to loong, than i change it abit to like have a more comfortable grib while also aim decently (with my newbie aim) but in a generally sens, working on adaptabillity, is a good way to get a better understanding of ur mouse, and how u wanna aim in a game, like what sens and dpi feels right, i tend to play games over meny different genra, so i rather work on learning to fast adapt to things than going for like the constant same sens and dpi, i adapt to how fast im aiming and games while also feeling how much i wanna move my mouse from side to side
As a fingertip enjoyier I think claw grip is also really good. It's up to individual preferences and the mouse you are using. Unfortunately, most mice don't have a very good shape for fingertip grip.
good video :D
I use a similar grip, I relaxed fingertip as a baseline and whenever I do faster motions I usually have palm contact. The area where my palm contacts even changes depending on the position of the mouse relative to my hand. Many years ago I used palm grip when I was playing on a very slow mousepad and a mouse with a thick, heavy wire and I automatically transitioned to that new grip over time when I replaced the wire with a paracord and got a faster mousepad. Around that time I wanted to get a new mouse so I was trying to figure out what grip I was using and I was super confused because my new grip was changing between fingertip and claw but I still sometimes palmed the mouse back then so I basically used all 3 grip styles. And I'm still not sure if my current grip is more of a fingertip or a claw grip. I guess it's both.
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nice vid love it