A PC release who no one bothered to test the game at resolutions lower than 1080p with High settings? I'm curious how the PC port would have performed with... say... PS3 visuals. I can confirm that it ran decently on my low-spec desktop, with Super VGA settings. But then again... I doubt most PC gamers want sub-console levels of performance.
WB never said they would be sold individually; people assumed because each game has their own eShop page, but that’s only because you can download them separately
They can be purchased separately on the eShop. The physical cart for the three games only has Arkham Asylum complete on cart, the other two games are a download only.
'Impossible ports' are even more fun. Like Tomb Raider Open Lara port for GBA. However these batman games are old. I think the first was like 2012 wasn't it? If Nintendo Switch is struggling, it's high time Nintendo release a more powerful system sooner than later.
@@skycloud4802There is no reason the Switch should be struggling on the first two games. Those are X Box 360 games. I even think Arkham Knight should run better than this. I think they probably took the quick and cheap route (this is WB Games we're talking about) and just expected the Unreal Engine to do all of the texture swapping. They should have just prioritized the most important textures and had only lower res textures in even the best case scenarios for others to cut back in the amount of texture swapping, especially while driving. I'm wondering if you stand in front of a low res wall texture long enough and don't pan the camera if it will eventually start to look sharper. No More Heroes 3 had these same problems.
Submitted a complaint and refund request via email to developers, I watched Oliver's excellent analysis now watching your video as I type. DISGRACEFUL how this trilogy was allowed to be sold in this state! WHY is there nothing in place to check these games before developers are allowed to release games guys!? This is bad for games industry, when trust breaks down between developers and gamers that's really not a good future at all for gaming and that's really gotta change ASAP! A lot of places that sell these games once the seal is broken they won't even accept a return, that's another thing that has to change! The anti consumerism going on nowadays is absolutely SHOCKING!
This reminds me of the story of the video game crash of 1983. Lots of oversaturation of low quality trash and consumers got tired of it and stopped buying games. Even a lot of department stores stopped carrying video games.
@@spht9ng That's happening again, lots of shops no longer stocking physical games. Hardly any left now, and just a few options available online that are trusted.
I don't know if it's comparable, but Doom Eternal runs fine on Switch, and it's an intense, rapid game with a lot of streaming and particles. If you compare how much enemies at once Doom Eternal have on screen, with animations and all, Batman should be portable to Switch in the right hands maybe, but would require a lot of caching (baked lighting, AO, cubemaps for reflections, bilboards for far objects, etc)
Doom eternal isnt an open world game, it's sectioned off so you can cull a lot of geometry and textures. Arkham Knight is a heavily modified unreal engine 3 game, also most important of all It's leading platform was PS4. At launch oh the PS4 version was solid, even the PC version was broken. So imagine they took a jank base game and try to back port everything from unreal engine 3. It's pretty hard to get it playable.
Yeah, I didn't know it was so bad at release, maybe it was very optimized for PS4 hardware and it made the game/engine difficult to adapt afterwards, anyways it's a sad port @@ibrohiem
Doom eternal is running on a much newer engine that has a reputation of pushing major performance though vulkan on lower end hardware and I'd argue doesn't even look as good as AK not a valid comparison really.
@@ibrohiem even in arkham knight on switch they added a wall of tall buildings so you can't see the whole map standing on roofs @9:33 u can see it
I am a huge fan of these games. I thoroughly enjoyed the first two Arkham games but skipped Arkham Knight due to your excellent coverage of the game's horrid performance on all platforms at the time. However, the coverage inspired me to go back and see how it plays nowadays. I can happily confirm the game runs at >100 fps at 3840x1600 ultrawide with all visual & Nvidia gameworks settings maxed on my 9700k & 4080 PC. For a game several years old, the visuals hold up extremely well, as well as the rest of the production quality. I have had a blast over the weekend playing it the way it was meant to be played.
I feel bad for the kids that might receive any multiplatform Switch game. But maybe it's like when we played some Nintendo 64 games -- it was a blurry, low framerate mess, but we accepted it and tried to love what we had. I hope that the next generation Nintendo console provides a better experience for young Nintendo-fans who don't know any better.
Switch has a lot of great crossplatform games. Dead Cells Hades Saints Row 4 Skyrim Street Fighter Collection I'll throw in Bloodstained and Sifu, even though they don't run at 60 fps. I'll throw in Nier Automata and Alien Isolation for fans of those games.
Arkham Origins is considered the bastard child of the Batman games. So much so that it's not even considered canon any more. Asylum, City and Knight are the "real" trilogy. I don't even think it's that bad. Especially now that it's had its many patches.
I played Arkham Knight on AMD Ryzen 3 3200G APU. And with some Config tweaks it ran around 30 to 50 FPS with occasional dips to 20s. But I ran ALL Arkham games in 1366x768 Resolution with all High settings.
10:45 It could easily be that they wanted to skimp out on cartridge size, so they just had to massively compress textures across the board. A lot of Switch games that have super low resolution textures are more for space than performance reasons.
There's no physical release for AC or AK. If you buy the trilogy on cartridge, only AA is included on the cartridge and the other 2 games are download-only (the cartridge just acts as a license key).
I've finished Arkham Asylum and currently playing Arkham City. Experienced no issues with them at all. Fingers crossed Knight gets some patches but I won't get my hopes up.
I must be the minority as in motion and non-environment objects look alright - the environment detail is understandably bad due to cutbacks, but the frame rate is what gives me 0 chance of getting this anytime soon
Asylum and city are well done ports, especially city looks very crisp and runs well. Knight is not optimized and i believe they are working on patches for this, its not unplayable at all but it has some serious issues and definitely need work, if they wont patch it up, their reputation is about done and trashed. That port needs more attention from the studio, but its not that bad as many people say.
People might ask ,,If Witcher 3 is a decent experience on Switch, then why not port Arkham Knight?", especially since both games were released a month from each other in 2015. The Witcher 3, however, does not have a deadly combo of rapid movement and a dense city, which might make it easier to optimize
I think CDPR deserve a lot of credit but Witcher 3 is definitely easier and more optimized than Arkham Knight. I remember playing W3 on a gtx 750 + i3 combos at medium / low settings and getting around 30fps, while Knight wouldn't even run.
Witcher 3 is more deliberately paced, jankier, and uglier (on the Switch). Especially in handheld mode. It's "tolerable", but it's hard for folks like me to play for long period of time, since the art isn't properly designed to be parseable at low resolutions. (Skyrim and Metroid Prime Remastered don't have this problem, and look even better on the Switch than Witcher 3.) Witcher 3 is right on the line of Switch games that are tolerable (when docked). And that's stretching things to be charitable. Then again, Tears of the Kingdom ran (on launch) about as well as Arkham City on the Switch! There's time.
I think Asylum and City can be shored up to have a consistent 30 with proper frame pacing, but Knight? Not a chance. Knight is the one game of the three I never played so I'm really bummed that I won't be able to play this version. I do almost all of my gaming on Switch lately because of the portability.
@@michaelmonstar4276not everybody will like the deck especially Nintendo faithful…I as well did my main gaming on my switch then OLED….then I got my deck on release, and now OLED deck…luckily I got 4 kids to share the wealth…
But was there not an update later on where Arkham knight would be upgraded to UE4.!? Made not much difference in optics but maybe ue4 would or could run better on switch!?.
Origins was buggy and had some questionable boss designs, but was otherwise fine. That low rez bat signal just goes to show they just blanket lowered the resolution of the textures en masse without any concentrated effort to get this to run properly.
Me too. Everyone fawning over Nintendo like old console games on portable is something new. Master System to Game Gear, TurboGrafx to Turbo Express, Genesis to Nomad, PS2 to PSP, PS3 to Vita. It’s been done to death, but we’re all supposed to be impressed suddenly.
But, but, but... It's still pretty good for a handheld, right?!? Does that excuse still fly? Really though. We've seen better looking PS2 games.. There are N64 games with sharper textures... And the most disgusting thing is that yeah, nah. It's clearly not working right. But they don't care.. They're going to grab some cash from a huge Switch playerbase.. Just, awful all around...
Hey, neat. It's like the 2015 PC release of Arkham Knight! Very cool. Such a great experience to relive.
A PC release who no one bothered to test the game at resolutions lower than 1080p with High settings?
I'm curious how the PC port would have performed with... say... PS3 visuals. I can confirm that it ran decently on my low-spec desktop, with Super VGA settings. But then again... I doubt most PC gamers want sub-console levels of performance.
Nintendo, please list the games separately already 😭
SwitchUp said you can purchase separately?
@@mikeuk666 They are on the site separately but not for sale yet.
That’s WB’s fault
WB never said they would be sold individually; people assumed because each game has their own eShop page, but that’s only because you can download them separately
They can be purchased separately on the eShop. The physical cart for the three games only has Arkham Asylum complete on cart, the other two games are a download only.
For frame of reference, I ran the horrible PC port on my GTX 670 back in the day. It actually ran fine if you locked it to 30.
Arkham Knight on Switch looks like a Scarecrow toxin infused nightmare
Idk why i love watching old hardware being pushed to the limit. I love playing these kinda games and just marvel at what they've achieved.
Same!
'Impossible ports' are even more fun. Like Tomb Raider Open Lara port for GBA.
However these batman games are old. I think the first was like 2012 wasn't it? If Nintendo Switch is struggling, it's high time Nintendo release a more powerful system sooner than later.
@@skycloud4802There is no reason the Switch should be struggling on the first two games. Those are X Box 360 games. I even think Arkham Knight should run better than this. I think they probably took the quick and cheap route (this is WB Games we're talking about) and just expected the Unreal Engine to do all of the texture swapping. They should have just prioritized the most important textures and had only lower res textures in even the best case scenarios for others to cut back in the amount of texture swapping, especially while driving. I'm wondering if you stand in front of a low res wall texture long enough and don't pan the camera if it will eventually start to look sharper. No More Heroes 3 had these same problems.
More like a lazy port to me... Even 14yo Arkham Asylum barely hit 30fps
This reminds me of the cyberpunk versions on base consoles in terms of framerate.
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Submitted a complaint and refund request via email to developers, I watched Oliver's excellent analysis now watching your video as I type.
DISGRACEFUL how this trilogy was allowed to be sold in this state!
WHY is there nothing in place to check these games before developers are allowed to release games guys!?
This is bad for games industry, when trust breaks down between developers and gamers that's really not a good future at all for gaming and that's really gotta change ASAP!
A lot of places that sell these games once the seal is broken they won't even accept a return, that's another thing that has to change!
The anti consumerism going on nowadays is absolutely SHOCKING!
This reminds me of the story of the video game crash of 1983. Lots of oversaturation of low quality trash and consumers got tired of it and stopped buying games. Even a lot of department stores stopped carrying video games.
People simply need to stop buying this junk. As for the devs: maybe the PS5 port in 2027 will run at 1440p. 😅
I hope you get a refund, but you should have waited for DF review before buying this trilogy or any other game, specially on Switch.
people keep buying, so ports like this will keep coming.
@@spht9ng That's happening again, lots of shops no longer stocking physical games. Hardly any left now, and just a few options available online that are trusted.
I don't know if it's comparable, but Doom Eternal runs fine on Switch, and it's an intense, rapid game with a lot of streaming and particles.
If you compare how much enemies at once Doom Eternal have on screen, with animations and all, Batman should be portable to Switch in the right hands maybe, but would require a lot of caching (baked lighting, AO, cubemaps for reflections, bilboards for far objects, etc)
Doom eternal isnt an open world game, it's sectioned off so you can cull a lot of geometry and textures. Arkham Knight is a heavily modified unreal engine 3 game, also most important of all It's leading platform was PS4. At launch oh the PS4 version was solid, even the PC version was broken. So imagine they took a jank base game and try to back port everything from unreal engine 3. It's pretty hard to get it playable.
Yeah, I didn't know it was so bad at release, maybe it was very optimized for PS4 hardware and it made the game/engine difficult to adapt afterwards, anyways it's a sad port @@ibrohiem
Doom eternal is running on a much newer engine that has a reputation of pushing major performance though vulkan on lower end hardware and I'd argue doesn't even look as good as AK not a valid comparison really.
@@ibrohiem even in arkham knight on switch they added a wall of tall buildings so you can't see the whole map standing on roofs @9:33 u can see it
well doom also runs at 300p, they are also really soupy looking games just run better because of those sacrifices
I am a huge fan of these games. I thoroughly enjoyed the first two Arkham games but skipped Arkham Knight due to your excellent coverage of the game's horrid performance on all platforms at the time.
However, the coverage inspired me to go back and see how it plays nowadays.
I can happily confirm the game runs at >100 fps at 3840x1600 ultrawide with all visual & Nvidia gameworks settings maxed on my 9700k & 4080 PC. For a game several years old, the visuals hold up extremely well, as well as the rest of the production quality. I have had a blast over the weekend playing it the way it was meant to be played.
DF Never checked out Borderlands 3 port on Switch.
they might hate the game, the story was offensive
@@bradhaines3142 Perhaps. ;)
I feel bad for the kids that might receive any multiplatform Switch game. But maybe it's like when we played some Nintendo 64 games -- it was a blurry, low framerate mess, but we accepted it and tried to love what we had.
I hope that the next generation Nintendo console provides a better experience for young Nintendo-fans who don't know any better.
Switch has a lot of great crossplatform games.
Dead Cells
Hades
Saints Row 4
Skyrim
Street Fighter Collection
I'll throw in Bloodstained and Sifu, even though they don't run at 60 fps.
I'll throw in Nier Automata and Alien Isolation for fans of those games.
Arkham Origins is considered the bastard child of the Batman games. So much so that it's not even considered canon any more.
Asylum, City and Knight are the "real" trilogy.
I don't even think it's that bad. Especially now that it's had its many patches.
It's canon alright. Arkham Knight is full of Origins references.
10:20 I played Arkham Knight on a GTX 660 Ti back in the day and it ran just fine.
I played Arkham Knight on AMD Ryzen 3 3200G APU. And with some Config tweaks it ran around 30 to 50 FPS with occasional dips to 20s. But I ran ALL Arkham games in 1366x768 Resolution with all High settings.
All better than the switch release
10:45
It could easily be that they wanted to skimp out on cartridge size, so they just had to massively compress textures across the board. A lot of Switch games that have super low resolution textures are more for space than performance reasons.
There's no physical release for AC or AK. If you buy the trilogy on cartridge, only AA is included on the cartridge and the other 2 games are download-only (the cartridge just acts as a license key).
"for some reason we weren't supplied with the review code"... I wonder why ;)
I've finished Arkham Asylum and currently playing Arkham City. Experienced no issues with them at all.
Fingers crossed Knight gets some patches but I won't get my hopes up.
Also, did John not realize that his TV was ON FIRE?!
He might as well throw the cartridge there too.
HOT NEWS straight outta Arkham.
I hate that they force you to buy all three and not give us the choice to avoid buying a trash version of the game.
Well, the physical version will probably be in the bargain bins early next year?
@5:26 the man in the street's face straight up looks like the Mike Meyers Halloween mask. Eeeesh
I must be the minority as in motion and non-environment objects look alright - the environment detail is understandably bad due to cutbacks, but the frame rate is what gives me 0 chance of getting this anytime soon
I'm enjoying it somewhat 😅
Asylum and city are well done ports, especially city looks very crisp and runs well.
Knight is not optimized and i believe they are working on patches for this, its not unplayable at all but it has some serious issues and definitely need work, if they wont patch it up, their reputation is about done and trashed.
That port needs more attention from the studio, but its not that bad as many people say.
People might ask ,,If Witcher 3 is a decent experience on Switch, then why not port Arkham Knight?", especially since both games were released a month from each other in 2015. The Witcher 3, however, does not have a deadly combo of rapid movement and a dense city, which might make it easier to optimize
Nah
I think CDPR deserve a lot of credit but Witcher 3 is definitely easier and more optimized than Arkham Knight. I remember playing W3 on a gtx 750 + i3 combos at medium / low settings and getting around 30fps, while Knight wouldn't even run.
Witcher 3 is more deliberately paced, jankier, and uglier (on the Switch). Especially in handheld mode. It's "tolerable", but it's hard for folks like me to play for long period of time, since the art isn't properly designed to be parseable at low resolutions. (Skyrim and Metroid Prime Remastered don't have this problem, and look even better on the Switch than Witcher 3.)
Witcher 3 is right on the line of Switch games that are tolerable (when docked). And that's stretching things to be charitable.
Then again, Tears of the Kingdom ran (on launch) about as well as Arkham City on the Switch! There's time.
Seriously they could have done it where Asylum and City runs locally while Knight uses the cloud.
the facts that games like this come to switch is crazy
Damn bro those textures are Nintendo 3ds tier
hi guys but i thought df clips was supposed to be the short version. some of these are as, if not longer than some of your other contributions.
I think Asylum and City can be shored up to have a consistent 30 with proper frame pacing, but Knight? Not a chance. Knight is the one game of the three I never played so I'm really bummed that I won't be able to play this version. I do almost all of my gaming on Switch lately because of the portability.
Breh, get a Deck. If you're interested in this type of game on the go, Switch isn't it.
@@michaelmonstar4276not everybody will like the deck especially Nintendo faithful…I as well did my main gaming on my switch then OLED….then I got my deck on release, and now OLED deck…luckily I got 4 kids to share the wealth…
I surmise forward compatibility patches with Switch 2. Release taxing games now, fix for later hardware later.
But was there not an update later on where Arkham knight would be upgraded to UE4.!? Made not much difference in optics but maybe ue4 would or could run better on switch!?.
@digitalfoundry Which cameras do Dark1X and Dachsjaegr use?
Origins was buggy and had some questionable boss designs, but was otherwise fine. That low rez bat signal just goes to show they just blanket lowered the resolution of the textures en masse without any concentrated effort to get this to run properly.
Who is buying multi plat games on the switch anyway?
I am.
Just not this one. :V
People that only own a switch maybe?
I kinda think this port could've been better if epic actually supported unreal engine 3 on switch
One of the most captivating intros in gaming ruined
hontesly, a part of me wants to see these nintendo switch ports coming up, it's funny
to see how far these games can be downgraded to "run" hahaha
Some games just need to stay on a real console
Wrong, Richard. No PC was doing PS4-level graphics at launch. There were effects that were just broken on PC.
I’m very glad I cancelled my pre-order, I dodged a bullet there… 😬
If the Xbox Series S wasn't holding back the Nintendo Swirch...
Devs: just sit farther back from the TV!
Should have chosen arkham origins for the switch trilogy
This Switch port is totally acceptable and playable… if this was the ‘90s lol
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origins is fine, but it's like the dark souls 2 of the series it just is a clearly lower standard than the others and obviously made by the "B" team.
I just purchased Batman for the Switch and AK is clearly the definitive edition on the switch. I dont understand this video.
I used to run Arkham Knight on my old GTS 450. Looked way better than this.
What a shocker.
Unbelievable SCAM.
"Evening the odds" 😂
Just waiting for the nauseating comments of “I can’t believe they fit this onto a switch”
Me too. Everyone fawning over Nintendo like old console games on portable is something new. Master System to Game Gear, TurboGrafx to Turbo Express, Genesis to Nomad, PS2 to PSP, PS3 to Vita. It’s been done to death, but we’re all supposed to be impressed suddenly.
Going through Asylum now. I'm happy with it. Kinda excited to try out Knight now after all the warnings 😛 But I'll go through them in order.
Easy solution, just play the Switch port of Persona 5, it’s one of the greatest ports ever for one the greatest RPG’s ever
This looks like a Gameboy Advance port.
Might be the worst Switch port since ARK. You might say they put the Ark in Arkham Knight.
That tegra x1 is crying take out of here.😂 those sweet 0.00 fps Nintendo good work.😂
they ruined a masterpiece
Arkham Origins is better written with far better boss battles than Arkham Knight.
Yep
I mean, could a patch help this out? Or just not even worth it? Lmao
The Switch 2 needs to come out like RIGHT NOW THIS VERY SECOND. That's how bad things are lol
But, but, but...
It's still pretty good for a handheld, right?!? Does that excuse still fly?
Really though. We've seen better looking PS2 games.. There are N64 games with sharper textures...
And the most disgusting thing is that yeah, nah. It's clearly not working right. But they don't care.. They're going to grab some cash from a huge Switch playerbase.. Just, awful all around...
nintendog cant even run unreal engine 3 lol, its so weak
Yet witcher 3 on their engine looks great
Skill issue
Gta 6 trailer analysis please
They already said they are in comments
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Better than the gaybox series x version!!!!!
Let me guess, you're late with the attention seeking as you were in school 😂
Nope.
Lstation 5 is no better