It just saddens me since anyone that knows these practices knows that whales often aren't rich people... they're often poor/middle class people with shopping/gambling addictions...
@@Azrimohr The community complains about the practices but it doesn't offer any *real* alternatives. So yes, all Riot can say is "Yes, and?" Until you find a way to suck enough money off the players to meet their yearly spendings without relying on the whales, stop complaining because you're not only not helping, you're actively making things worse for everyone by polarising others for no reason.
@@Azrimohr It's sad but at the same time, it's not Riot's job to send people to therapy. I guess they could put a disclaimer after the purchase saying : "If you don't make X amount of money a year, you should probably check with a psychiatrist"
If we ignore the uhh bitcoin mining situation, Garena at least at allowed you to get pretty rare skins like King Rammus, Pax skins, or past prestige skins before they went back into rotation
When Jhin released they said they'd be adding those skins to the loot pool after a year. It's been over a year now and we haven't heard anything from them yet
Be prepared to never hear of that again. Them saying they'll add it into the reroll pool was only followed by them changing the hextech chest system in a way that meant people get a fraction of the chests they used to now. Jhin isn't coming, I guarantee it, and that was just something they said to mitigate damage.
@@tysonwelter8803 "We’ll add him into the reroll pool sometime in 2024; it will depend on what we learn from these experiments. So you won't be able to specifically target it again, but it will eventually be available. For now, this is how we’re going to be introducing these and they will not be purchasable directly in the shop. But this may change in the future. We know this means that top spenders will be able to immediately reroll into this skin when it does hit the pool, but we think this is a small enough group that it won’t impact the feeling of exclusivity. This is all still an experiment for us so we’re eager to hear what you think of it in practice." This was their exact wording. Forgot about the second part, so yeah we'll probably never get them xD
I find it very interesting that gambling has such a strong allure to some people, especially ones who were once addicted. I've never wanted to buy something without knowing my reward.
Don't trick yourself into thinking it's rich people who buy these skin. There are many people who took out loans to purchase the Faker Ahri skin. I wish i was kidding...
Rich people don't stay rich by blowing all their money on video games. These sorts of FOMO systems are specifically designed to prey on vulnerable demographics of gamers who already struggle to manage their finances -- often people who are already poor or significantly in-debt.
Ye, i don't get how gambling with lotteries and casinos is heavily regulated, but this stuff is just here, knowingly targeting children and exploiting people with low self control.
@@glcsander only in west in beginning, but people accepted it in overwatch. now most don't care since gacha games got so big most regions thanks to Genshin lol
@@glcsander Lootboxes are an entry point for gacha systems. Both mechanics affect the general game design, because if they don't make you want to spend money on it by downgrading rest of the systems, then it won't pay for itself.
I will never understand how people can rationalize spending such an absurd amount of money on a cosmetic item, for a champion they may not even get to use every time they play the game. For the same amount of money, you can buy nearly two dozen indie games, or half a dozen AAA games. This is a comparison between literal hundreds of hours of unique content VS “ooooh sword is a different color!” on a specific champion you may not even use. HUH?!?!?
@@manofhoff2623just because some people lose touch with the value of money doesn’t make it any less absurd. If you spend $200 on something you should want to get as close to a $200 value as possible. In this case it’s just dull people spending $200 for a $5 glorified chroma.
Riot have been slowly but steadily descending into the hellhole of scummy marketing tactics. This has me not only worried for league but for future games as well. I swear to god, if I’ll end up waiting over 10 years for the mmo and it turns out to be lackluster and filled with tons of micro transactions I will loose my mind. Edit. Just to avoid misunderstanding, I did not mean that the mmo should have no micro transactions. I know that’s unavoidable and that is fine as long as they are reasonable. What I am worried about is that the mmo will have so much of it that it will negatively affect the f2p players. That includes insane prices, p2w, locking way to much content behind paywalls etc.
i don't believe riot has the competence to create anything near an mmorpg, i was hopeful at first but slowly the realization hit me hard that they're just a bunch of dummies behind the wheel without a true goal for any of their projects
I remember a few years back before Tencent's full acquisition, one of the dev interviews talked about slowing down champion releases before stopping them all together. Guess Tencent had other ideas :/, now be get bloated, over-kitted, and unoriginal champs so that Winnie the Pooh gets a few more shekels(Tencent is subsidized by the communist government of China).
Yeah I'm also pretty worried about this. I doubt we will get anything close to what we know and have today (season passes, pay2play etc). No matter how good the game is - there will probably be some or many shady practices and we will have to either live with it or not play.
The only reason the 500 dolar skin "worked" is because it was related to Faker is like making a Messi related product in Argentina it works because of who it's attached to, I doubt any other hall of fame skin is going to bring anything close to what the Faker skin did
You say that, until next "Esports skin" is for Chovy or Showmaker, or any of the other legendary Korean players. Same shit happens, everyone ha ha let's ban in rest of the world, meanwhile in Korea sell 2 millions in a week. If you've been around actual Korean or korean-adjacent communities, you'd see how much different the vision of League there is. It's comparable to Soccer in europe or Football in USA. The progamers are basically deities to the youngs.
I doesnt mattert if they get on the faker lvl with skin sales for the next one. It is NOT a 6 digit sum to make a skin... So they will still make money of them. no matter what
All i heard is people are dumb. Sad to say its true… they never learn. Get used to it. Pre ordering games, is something we used to make fun off back in 2006 now people re order freaking digital games..!!! Like they really like being tricked.
Tbh I think this stuff works because it is limited. It doesnt matter if it is Faker or Ahri or whatever. People make 20 accs and buy it like NFT cuz they wanna sell the acc more expensive later.
Gatcha systems will never not be scummy, and i will always talk shit about them. Still, I'm just glad the game isn't p2w. I do understand that most people buying these aren't rich, just normal people with bad addictions. However, at this point you can't expect companies not to use any means to get money. People should take control of their lives and stop falling for financial traps like these and like gambling. If you're no gonna help yourself, don't expect the soulless cooperate husks to help you. That's the only way to fix the system, by never even playing into it.
@@Habib_Osman I think the entire point of this isn't that they sell expensive skins, it's that they put them behind gambling. That's the entire point of a "gacha" system. Gucci and Lamborghini don't use gambling to sell their products... You have to save up and buy the product. And yeah you have to be a sucker to buy Gucci honestly --- and that's coming from someone who owns a $1k hoodie (though I bought that cause a lot of my favourite rappers have worn it on stage lol)
Remember when Dawnbringer Riven got a "mythic chroma" of the same quality and theme (being opposite and becoming Nightbringer) as these new skins but was 60 Mythic Essence
/s "well, if you don't like it you should vote with your wallet" I love the amount of times this still gets brought up to this day, when we know for a fact "vote with your wallet" makes no sense when it means PEOPLE WITH MORE MONEY (who are innately more careless with their money, because they don't NEED to not be) GET MORE VOTES.
See ? It's a quest ! It's like a game ! The goal is for you to give us all your money ! Cmon I know you can do it, you ain't gonna chicken that one out aren't you ?
@@Habib_Osman Surely there is no reason to whine. Imagine actually wanting the chroma and not being able to afford it because it was made for whales. Such a stupid reason to complain right ? It's more like discrimination than buying something expensive because the poor deserve the skins made with this little efforts.
@@elChuchmay Clearly your expectation is imo the issue. Riot is a company like any other.. if they want to sell 10.000 dollar mousemats they are totally free to do so. As a matter of fact, you can sell the mousemat you are currently using for a million dollars, right now. As long as theres a customer that wants it for that prize, you are now a millionaire (after taxes not quite but you get the point).
@@Habib_Osman yeah it's legal and they can do it, from a economic perspective they should, it's 1000% worth it for them. But overpricing something to an extreme extent is kind of a dick move and not honorable, that's why we don't like it.
10:15 the fact that gacha games can be played without spending a single cent and still getting good bunch of characters and stuff, while Riot gives us like not even 1k blue essence, random emote and 1 key when capsules come out is even more depressing and funny at the same time
I really wanted that 250 dollar version of the Ahri skin but I couldn’t justify the price. I do fear when this kind of skin comes to my favorite champion.
They literally closed Garena because they deemed their gacha-like systems unacceptable and/or unethical But I guess if its Rito who does the gacha - then its fine lol
Riot is insane with this. Let me put this into perspective. In my coutnry most families have arouind 40USD a week for groceries to spend. That is often lowered if anyone of the family is sick etc. Imagine spending 200 USD for a virtual skin in a game, or groceries for a month or so for atleast 2 people.
@@Chesesino6111an old Toyota is also a real car you could get instead of the Lamborghini which you’ll never get to use to its full capabilities with speed limits. Pixels or not, they’re mostly unnecessary and bought simply for flexing reasons, just don’t let it bother you
@@zaboono im refering more to the value y can resell even the cheapest car on earth but that skin just disapears when the game shuts down and eventually all games die.
just make it directly purchasable for like a 30% discount or something, since when buy 30 capsules you will also gain like a billion skinshards anyway giving alot more value than just the gacha skin
10:50 Heh. You got spoiled by Hoyoverse games, Necrit. Pity progress not carrying over to other banners is actually pretty common. That's how it is in, for example, Pokemon Masters EX.
I blame asia system for bring gacha into NA games. Miss old days when you want a skin just pick and go. Greedy . The new Queens skin should of been a event!
My first problem with two league Re-skins costing 400 bucks is, that I can't afford them easily. My second concern is, that I don't have a business that wallows that hard in greed which pays off so good, to even raise the moneymaker. Like think about it. Most people who play league hate league, and they keep playing AND paying. AND YOU ONLY GET 3 WEEKS TO GET ADDITIONAL 400 BUCKS. The target customer must be dragons sitting on gold piles.
@@theeddy1296 it's called ethics. League is doing same as gacha games do, which is same as, say, governments selling cigarettes do. They're willingly hurting people that are addicted because they know it's going to give them money. You say it doesn't matter, until one of your close relatives gets hit by it. Then suddently it hits you, that maybe this kind of behaviour shouldn't have been allowed to start.
TLDR: Riot Games (The for profit company) realized that people buy expensive skins (that don't affect gameplay) because they have money, new "mythic variants" are expensive chromas of old skins... Rich people will probably buy them... Still doesn't give you an advantage.
@Schwibzik You can also blame the gamblers for losing their fortune in a casino, there are reasons for laws protecting the consumer/player. There are ethical and unethical ways to earn money, riot system is indeed predatory in some of these cases.
Except the issue is not in the gameplay advantage. Read the first half of your own comment and you will get the issue. Riot realized how easy it is to farm rich people so now, skins are becoming more and more expensive while their quality is dropping. This affects everyone, not just the rich people. Sorry if I am being rude but, are you intentionally being ignorant or do you really not see the issue here?
And me. I see it as Gucci or Lamborghini type of products. If you want to spend 500 dollars on a pair of jeans, go for it! If you want to spend 500k on a car, go for it! That's capitalism! Everybody decides what they want to do with their money.
Idk i get somehow invested in stuff like this even tho i never paid a cent to riot. Because you cant buy anything there, you pay a fee to rent an imaginary item until riot revokes your right to use them. Calling them purchases is a big stretch
@@tupacshakur5868 Most people are aware of this though and STILL decide to "purchase"/rent (whatever you'd like to call it, really) said skins. Besides, it's not hard to put 2 and 2 together and realize that just about ANY online-only service will eventually revoke your access to any content you have paid for up until closure. Does it suck? Absolutely. But it's the way things work and while it hasn't been widely accepted, it is most certainly widely known.
So long as the game stays free to play (it will because this is the business model that’s worked for riot for so many years), they can do whatever they want with skins. My stance is just if you don’t like it, don’t buy it, and you shouldn’t care what other people do with their money
In my opinion you should also compare the fact of Battle Queen Katarina chroma's which also changed really a lot of small details even in her blades and were affordable for just blue essence during the emporium instead of mythic essence in the special prestige shop.
I'm so glad it didn't come out today. I own every lux skin, but if they put one behind a gacha wall, they seeing 0 from me. I play gachas already and I don't want gachas in my non gacha games.
Because they either need to vent or (in some even more delusional cases) think that it's actually gonna change anything, let alone other people's spending.
@@akramelseriol6989 Oh, you absolutely can. I (and many others, for that matter) just simply do not understand what you THINK your complaints will accomplish. You're screaming into an echoless void, if you haven't realized by now. Besides, that's not "bootlicking the company"; that's simply not giving a shit about something as optional as cosmetics. It's the last thing I could care about when it comes to League - what matters to me, personally, is that there's no P2W and I think most people share that sentiment.
As a veteran league player all I want from riot is for them to give visual updates to those outdated champions and skins.. I've been collecting old skins like I'm collecting Pokemon cards just to see one day that riot will finally update them but not this kind of stuff that gives newer skin some more fancy chromas instead!
I cant understand why people bitch about these prices, it a "high end" skin deal with it, if you aint paying for it just move on, its not that big a deal. there are tons of skins that you can get so why do you care so much about a really expensive skin
I'm at your side. But for some of us, if things keep going like this, some people may feel that there is less content aimed at their pourchasing range. In the end, we are trading these skins for more money overall dedicated to lol, including gamemodes, trailers and related media.
It’s pretty simple. League is a F2P game. Its community is built upon its content being accessible to everyone. When these skins come out that cost hundreds of dollars, it drives a wedge into the community and splits the rich from the poor. Sure, it’s an optional skin with no power attached to it, so if you can’t get it you can’t get it. But that mental division in the community is still there. League is no longer a place for everyone. It’s a place for Riot to suck as much money out of people as they can. Yikes… not a good look.
@@zohan4394 its a personal choice. But only saying that is missing the forest for the trees. @popington4674 gives more argument about putting up these prices with care.
@@popington4674 Then the issue is the immature community letting such trivial shit drive them apart. What about all the really poor people or people without debit cards who can't buy skins at all? Should we remove all skins because some people can't afford them? Should we remove all abilities because some people can't use a keyboard? Division only happens if you let it happen.
It's kind of comforting seeing these videos and forgetting how in my gacha game, where I've invested almost 5 years, they have made a new type of units with even worse conditions than the worst one (worse pity). EDIT: Oh, no. My gacha game doesn't carry pity across banners... I mean, except the one banner that is paid currency-only, but not the emerging ones with new units. Sad
Those gacha pity sistem you mention only become standard after genshin impact released. Many game before it doesn't even have a pity system, some have pity limited to specific banner or time period.
If I ever do end up making my game well enough to be stable, skins will be bought by a secondary currency that-while you can spend real money on it-is earned relatively easily by playing ranked or something. If I EVER do NY kind of Gacha event, it’s going to be a high chance and a guaranteed draw on box 3, with a bundle offer that’s cheaper than the 3 separate boxes
Wait, that darius one is literally the prestige skin color template, I'd recognize that color scheme anywhere thanks to Zed's (one of the only ones where it actually looks better than the base skin)
The issue with these skins are that it doesn't justify the price tag. A skin shouldn't even cost more than a triple-A game. Most gacha games let's you keep rolling till maybe $80 if you have the worst luck to get the event skin. While gacha is inherently predatory, it doesn't mean Riot should allow this. Unfortunately Riot can get away with it since they've made a name for themselves big enough that this issue won't cause major backlash. They can do something stupid by threading line between, then apologize, then do it again.
side note, i think these mythic variants are somewhat a reference to an event in league that happened in 2018. Riot made like 4 events of the type "VS" where players, in client, chose a "side" and gathered points to their side through playing and winning games. at the end of the event, the players of the winning side where awarded some loot and an icon to celebrate their victory now, in this Versus Event called "Battle of the God-Kings", Darius won over Garen, and since I chose Darius I was awarded a special icon with God King Darius in it. imo, that might be the reason they are called Divine God-King Darius and *Fallen* God-King Garen they did more events like (first event) Dawnbringer Riven Vs Nightbringer Yasuo (winner) (2017), Cats (winner) vs Dogs (2019) and The Trials (2019) but this one was 4 houses, the players chose one and they competed with each other, there was a personality test to help you chose one, it was like the houses of Harry Potter
I mean when the reroll chance is 1 in 1600, rerolling into any speciffic skin is insane to think of. And yet I got two gragas skins after I got a gragas skin with orange essence. And on top of that an orianna skin after I got a skin for her too. Same for xerath.
I don’t play PC league, but tend to play Wild Rift. My last obsession was during Syndra release, and back then we had an entire chinese-themed skinline put into a gacha system, and right after that - another one partly gacha, and fully FOMO. After that I quit for a year due to burnout (played too much, skins didn’t really bother me). Came back to fine a gacha skinline and a lot of kinda thematic skins turned into FOMO, now tied to certain yearly events and only available for purchase during that time. Ugly stuff.
the point that is often overlooked is the fact that in gatcha games (genshin, star rail, wuwa) you have a way to earn the pulls/capsules for free. yes, it's not as much as money can get you, but still - if you clear the game's content you get some currency. in lol, you don't. but i doubt riot would ever give you any way to earn a capsule, even though in tft you do get it through the battle pass
The genie's out of the bottle and no one's going to stuff it back in. In the Eastern markets, having an expensive skin is seen as a sign of prestige, so they'll always be willing to whale harder than Ahab for them no matter the price. Calling it right now: Pool Party Ahri is going to cost a solid $1,000, and it's going to make more money than all the gacha skins combined.
So people who I don't care about in the opposite corner of the world are willing to voluntarily spend large amounts of money for cosmetics which in return subsidises a fair, f2p game which I enjoy playing for free in my free time, plus all their other f2p games in development, including 2xko and the mmo, and people have a problem with that?
@@MagicButterfly549 The issue is that there's a lot of people world-wide that like skins. However not everyone wants to shell out enough money to make a car payment on a skin.
@@ruggedlemmings9163 so get a different skin for like $5? Not every skin is behind a gatcha system and if there's one thing that isn't lacking from lol it's skins 😂😂😂, or here's another tip: you don't need a skin to play your favourite character. You're not impressing anyone just because you have a skin if your score is 0/10/3
@@MagicButterfly549 What about all the Faker fans that don't want to take out a loan to show their support for their favorite player? I'm not going to get into the psychological aspect of things as I don't feel like writing an essay right now, but suffice it to say the "just don't buy it" argument has never been a valid defense of ridiculous monetization.
@@ruggedlemmings9163 how about people get some common sense and don't go into debt for a cosmetic item inna videogame that has no real value? How about stop fan-boying hard over pro gamers? If you like faker so much just print a poster for your bedroom LMAO.
given their recent actions in regards to their japanese games investment, i have a feeling that tencent sees the writing on the wall with league (the moba) and is just doing what it can to milk the last bit possible from their investment before trimming the fat
For the record, most gachas work like how Riot is using this right now. The "compounded pity" system is still new and something most compannies do not want to adopt. So in a way, Riot is indeed representing the subsection of gaming they are copying this system from well, as they too are allergic to changing things for the better!
Dude, like I said whenever the Faker Ahri skin was revealed, this obviously caters wayyy more to the Asian market, which is by far their biggest market (there's a total of 200+ million active monthly League players, almost 20 million in Korea and 75 million in China, so the Asian market is almost half of the entire player base), and everyone knows that Asian people don't give a sh*t about spending big money on games, quite the contrary, they love to do it, it's a way for them to showcase social status.
"When you stop pulling, the pity you got to that point will transfer to another banner. They give you a currency you can use to just buy the characters separately" yeah rub it in more to us PoMa players. We have NONE of that. It's all wallet and prayers
the supposed "bad" guy garen skin doesn't even have the particles of the first god king darius since he was red and garen is more purple than the red we've known for the god king skins it's just sad
How would riot know a skin that's not purchasable is selling well? Even in good faith I can't see how they could disaggregate the data to conclude with certainty that the sells were for the skin. And it's not like riot doesn't have incentive to lie about it.
I don't have a problem with League doing this but they should make the skins available for Hextech drops after 1 year of release. It would be an insanely rare chance to get but still it being possible would be nice. Also people do have to remember these are simply cosmetics, but it would be nice to see them go into F2P after a year.
do we not have the swap variant skins already??? Blitzcrank mecha skin(Paragon and another one I forgot), Soraka dawn/dusk bringer and Dark/cosmic Lux and I remember them not being $200 especially Soraka's and Lux's since they're also Legendary!
I play gacha games my opinion may be biased, but i think what differs the gachas i play from league's gacha system is that a gacha like genshin impact or fate go doesn't force you to spend money to participate in the system, so even if you are a gambling addict you can still go "f2p" if you want and still fulfill your need for gambling. League forces you to buy a very expensive item that can't be obtained with f2p currency and the rewards aren't even worth it (like, at worse you will get a fragment of a 6$ skin for a champ you don't even play) Edit: also the capsules system is the first time most people who play league will interact with gacha and this can normalize a thinking that they need to spend to participate on the system or something like that.
they used to have a limit on how many regular loot orbs/boxes you could buy in league, if u tried to buy more than 200$ worth it would literally tell you to try tomorrow did they remove that?
irdk about skin prices cuz they dont affect the gameplay. Ill just buy the skins for the champions I like once I justify that the cost is worth it like a normal person.
Speaking of Tft Gacha, the new "Mythic" tokens or whatever they are called, replacement for the pity (which in my oppinion is still way better), they decided to put Prestige Chibi Tactician for 25 of those tokens. Problem is, to get to 25, it will at least cost you more than 200$, with the current Prestige Tactician being something like 0.08% chance to get on random roll, still wondering why no one even complained about this.
Because it at least gives you some form of control over what you get. Which is more than you can say for most other gacha mechanics. You can collect your 25 tokens and eventually get yourself a nice chibi or what ever expensive item you want.
And back when the Jhin mythic variant capsules were out, they used to give a capsule for free. I have a friend who actually got that Jhin skin from that 1 capsule lol. Now they don't even do that so people can't have that puny 1% chance to get it.
I honestly thought they would give a capsule since the original debut of these skins you got to pick the team you wanted to be on. (I believe darius's team won and got a extra icon for it) I was honestly expecting them to bring it back and say "whichever team you pick you gain either of their capsule." Buuuut they are really greedy-
This capsule system is the same system Square Enix is using on the skins in Final Fantasy VII: Ever Crisis, if you pull in a banner it has 0 value for any other banner in the game.
Waiting for them to go back and edit the article where they said Jhin would be back. They also said it would be a year later and it came out in September. My guess is they maybe put the Jhin in there then don’t do the rest.
I really wish they would release relative roi for skins. Like saying "let's say we usually allocate 1 unit of money for common skins which usually net us between 50 to 300 units of money and we can work on 10 of them at a time. Legendary skins need 100 units and return 300 to 1k units and we can make 2 without blocking the pipeline". Without saying what's a "unit" and maybe even separating the units for investment and return so people won't say "you are making 10 times your investment! You can make it cheaper!"
so to point out about the jhin skin i own most skins in the game i WILL know if its available as i can no longer reroll skins as all reroll able skins are already owned by me i really hope they will make them available for me soon
![Lil Uzi Vert - We Good [Official Audio]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/DrSfBULAsek/mqdefault.jpg)
It just saddens me since anyone that knows these practices knows that whales often aren't rich people... they're often poor/middle class people with shopping/gambling addictions...
Rito: _"yeah, and?"_
@@Azrimohr The community complains about the practices but it doesn't offer any *real* alternatives. So yes, all Riot can say is "Yes, and?" Until you find a way to suck enough money off the players to meet their yearly spendings without relying on the whales, stop complaining because you're not only not helping, you're actively making things worse for everyone by polarising others for no reason.
@@Azrimohr It's sad but at the same time, it's not Riot's job to send people to therapy.
I guess they could put a disclaimer after the purchase saying : "If you don't make X amount of money a year, you should probably check with a psychiatrist"
gacha games are predatory and these huge gaming companies are aware of this thats why theyre adapting this system unto their games to make huge bank
@@louisrobitaille5810 I was complaining?
I'm so fucking ready for the first 1k skin
It will be the Pool Party Lux skins, or some of the other popular LoL sl7ts 😂
Fucking ready. To not buy it.
It's either gonna be a chroma, or have an extra 1seg animation when you spam dance on Gromp at the 17 minutes mark
Pool party ahri inc
@@animalxing8697you don’t need to be ready you can’t buy it anyways
When I escaped garena because of their gacha bs then riot does the gacha themselves 💀
At least Garena hosts discount events once in a while and don't fucking charge me $200 for a chroma
Garena is better
I got most of my skins from garena, for free
garena is way better and cheaper compared to this indie company.
If we ignore the uhh bitcoin mining situation, Garena at least at allowed you to get pretty rare skins like King Rammus, Pax skins, or past prestige skins before they went back into rotation
When Jhin released they said they'd be adding those skins to the loot pool after a year. It's been over a year now and we haven't heard anything from them yet
i remember them saying it'll be 2 years
Be prepared to never hear of that again. Them saying they'll add it into the reroll pool was only followed by them changing the hextech chest system in a way that meant people get a fraction of the chests they used to now. Jhin isn't coming, I guarantee it, and that was just something they said to mitigate damage.
It doesnt matter. Hextech Crafting is so trash right now that we might as well consider there are no loot pools anymore.
@@RazorWinterI remember when hextech chests first came out and they were actually ok. Now it’s so garbage I don’t even bother opening them anymore.
@@tysonwelter8803 "We’ll add him into the reroll pool sometime in 2024; it will depend on what we learn from these experiments. So you won't be able to specifically target it again, but it will eventually be available. For now, this is how we’re going to be introducing these and they will not be purchasable directly in the shop. But this may change in the future. We know this means that top spenders will be able to immediately reroll into this skin when it does hit the pool, but we think this is a small enough group that it won’t impact the feeling of exclusivity. This is all still an experiment for us so we’re eager to hear what you think of it in practice."
This was their exact wording. Forgot about the second part, so yeah we'll probably never get them xD
i used to have a gambling problem, so i just recently had to quit league because the gacha system. i don't want to risk going through that pain again.
Did you steal from your parents/rob elderly people to pay for your addiction?
I find it very interesting that gambling has such a strong allure to some people, especially ones who were once addicted. I've never wanted to buy something without knowing my reward.
damn that's rough, gl man and gj on quitting
Welcome to the "I quit league" club
Stay strong buddy, addiction is hell of a drug for your mind
Don't trick yourself into thinking it's rich people who buy these skin. There are many people who took out loans to purchase the Faker Ahri skin. I wish i was kidding...
Rich people don't stay rich by blowing all their money on video games. These sorts of FOMO systems are specifically designed to prey on vulnerable demographics of gamers who already struggle to manage their finances -- often people who are already poor or significantly in-debt.
The tiniest violin on earth is playing a barely noticeable tune of great misery.
@@Javano_ Plenty of rich people staying rich and spending money on this.
Usually the kids of some rich ppl.
@@Habib_Osmanohh the misery, everbody wants to be, my enemy
@@Xenoray1 I know. I'm a moth attracted by campfires. Don't you know that I'm toxic
Gacha should be socially criticed, it's crazy how much people have normalised it
Ye, i don't get how gambling with lotteries and casinos is heavily regulated, but this stuff is just here, knowingly targeting children and exploiting people with low self control.
I dont know why lootboxes are frown upon but gacha escapes the gamers vitriol.
@@glcsander only in west in beginning, but people accepted it in overwatch. now most don't care since gacha games got so big most regions thanks to Genshin lol
Critiqued?
@@glcsander Lootboxes are an entry point for gacha systems. Both mechanics affect the general game design, because if they don't make you want to spend money on it by downgrading rest of the systems, then it won't pay for itself.
I will never understand how people can rationalize spending such an absurd amount of money on a cosmetic item, for a champion they may not even get to use every time they play the game. For the same amount of money, you can buy nearly two dozen indie games, or half a dozen AAA games. This is a comparison between literal hundreds of hours of unique content VS “ooooh sword is a different color!” on a specific champion you may not even use. HUH?!?!?
But. But. How am I supposed to flex my gambling addiction and lack of proper financial education then? 🥺
Do not underestimate the power of addiction and OCD. They know, that's why they sell so well.
400 dollars isnt absurd for everyone
@@manofhoff2623just because some people lose touch with the value of money doesn’t make it any less absurd. If you spend $200 on something you should want to get as close to a $200 value as possible. In this case it’s just dull people spending $200 for a $5 glorified chroma.
the only reason they do this is because people consume it. if no one bought the skins then this wouldnt happen. its the playerbases fault.
Riot have been slowly but steadily descending into the hellhole of scummy marketing tactics. This has me not only worried for league but for future games as well. I swear to god, if I’ll end up waiting over 10 years for the mmo and it turns out to be lackluster and filled with tons of micro transactions I will loose my mind.
Edit. Just to avoid misunderstanding, I did not mean that the mmo should have no micro transactions. I know that’s unavoidable and that is fine as long as they are reasonable. What I am worried about is that the mmo will have so much of it that it will negatively affect the f2p players. That includes insane prices, p2w, locking way to much content behind paywalls etc.
i don't believe riot has the competence to create anything near an mmorpg, i was hopeful at first but slowly the realization hit me hard that they're just a bunch of dummies behind the wheel without a true goal for any of their projects
I remember a few years back before Tencent's full acquisition, one of the dev interviews talked about slowing down champion releases before stopping them all together. Guess Tencent had other ideas :/, now be get bloated, over-kitted, and unoriginal champs so that Winnie the Pooh gets a few more shekels(Tencent is subsidized by the communist government of China).
Micro transactions is a certain, no doubt!
Yeah I'm also pretty worried about this.
I doubt we will get anything close to what we know and have today (season passes, pay2play etc).
No matter how good the game is - there will probably be some or many shady practices and we will have to either live with it or not play.
@@heoar12 that's utterly baseless as a statement
The only reason the 500 dolar skin "worked" is because it was related to Faker is like making a Messi related product in Argentina it works because of who it's attached to, I doubt any other hall of fame skin is going to bring anything close to what the Faker skin did
You say that, until next "Esports skin" is for Chovy or Showmaker, or any of the other legendary Korean players.
Same shit happens, everyone ha ha let's ban in rest of the world, meanwhile in Korea sell 2 millions in a week.
If you've been around actual Korean or korean-adjacent communities, you'd see how much different the vision of League there is. It's comparable to Soccer in europe or Football in USA. The progamers are basically deities to the youngs.
I doesnt mattert if they get on the faker lvl with skin sales for the next one. It is NOT a 6 digit sum to make a skin...
So they will still make money of them. no matter what
All i heard is people are dumb. Sad to say its true… they never learn. Get used to it. Pre ordering games, is something we used to make fun off back in 2006 now people re order freaking digital games..!!! Like they really like being tricked.
No no... it's because of the stupid consumers
Tbh I think this stuff works because it is limited. It doesnt matter if it is Faker or Ahri or whatever. People make 20 accs and buy it like NFT cuz they wanna sell the acc more expensive later.
Gatcha systems will never not be scummy, and i will always talk shit about them. Still, I'm just glad the game isn't p2w. I do understand that most people buying these aren't rich, just normal people with bad addictions. However, at this point you can't expect companies not to use any means to get money. People should take control of their lives and stop falling for financial traps like these and like gambling. If you're no gonna help yourself, don't expect the soulless cooperate husks to help you. That's the only way to fix the system, by never even playing into it.
Gatcha system? Is Gucci and Lamborghini also a gacha system?
Lol is offering expensive skins. Boo hoo.
@@Habib_Osman I think the entire point of this isn't that they sell expensive skins, it's that they put them behind gambling. That's the entire point of a "gacha" system. Gucci and Lamborghini don't use gambling to sell their products... You have to save up and buy the product.
And yeah you have to be a sucker to buy Gucci honestly --- and that's coming from someone who owns a $1k hoodie (though I bought that cause a lot of my favourite rappers have worn it on stage lol)
If I recall the battle bunny MF variant was still capsules and the only thing new about it is a hat, a new bunny logo and the jacket
Don't forget the skirt! They removed the skirt! Totally worth 200 euros. (Not)
dont forget, there is also a pentakill animation.
tbh, BB MF variant was overshadowed by Swarm PVE that ppl forgot that chroma existed
MF skin is atleast almost all new except for her bracelet.
Remember when Dawnbringer Riven got a "mythic chroma" of the same quality and theme (being opposite and becoming Nightbringer) as these new skins but was 60 Mythic Essence
Also lee sin got a mythic chroma , swapping his color palette to that of truth dragon yasuo
/s "well, if you don't like it you should vote with your wallet"
I love the amount of times this still gets brought up to this day, when we know for a fact "vote with your wallet" makes no sense when it means PEOPLE WITH MORE MONEY (who are innately more careless with their money, because they don't NEED to not be) GET MORE VOTES.
See ? It's a quest ! It's like a game ! The goal is for you to give us all your money ! Cmon I know you can do it, you ain't gonna chicken that one out aren't you ?
How is this any different than a Gucci store? It isn't. Man, people in this comment section have refined whining into an artform. How pathetic!
@@Habib_Osman Surely there is no reason to whine. Imagine actually wanting the chroma and not being able to afford it because it was made for whales. Such a stupid reason to complain right ?
It's more like discrimination than buying something expensive because the poor deserve the skins made with this little efforts.
You are correct this is a quest it is the quest this shit game once and for all
@@elChuchmay Clearly your expectation is imo the issue. Riot is a company like any other.. if they want to sell 10.000 dollar mousemats they are totally free to do so. As a matter of fact, you can sell the mousemat you are currently using for a million dollars, right now. As long as theres a customer that wants it for that prize, you are now a millionaire (after taxes not quite but you get the point).
@@Habib_Osman yeah it's legal and they can do it, from a economic perspective they should, it's 1000% worth it for them. But overpricing something to an extreme extent is kind of a dick move and not honorable, that's why we don't like it.
lmao 14:50 "what effort?"
10:15 the fact that gacha games can be played without spending a single cent and still getting good bunch of characters and stuff, while Riot gives us like not even 1k blue essence, random emote and 1 key when capsules come out is even more depressing and funny at the same time
When can I sell the souls of my newborn for a malphite skin?
Losing players in the 10's of millions is starting to show
……Riot is starting to head down the Garena path themselves aren’t they💀
I really wanted that 250 dollar version of the Ahri skin but I couldn’t justify the price. I do fear when this kind of skin comes to my favorite champion.
I came in here to say that Wild Rift is worse.
Exactly
It id timed launch akims gatcha and expensive skins with yone getting a 3 figured cost skin
Riot saw genshin and hsr revenue and said "$$$ 😍"
Tbh i don't care about gacha system, but in our region (Middle Asia) there is a problem related to connection and ping. Ping is stable at 130+
TFT ain’t exactly innocent either
I wish the pity system carried over to the next capsule skins, that way I might have considered cashing out for 5 capsules at a time
When they saw howmuch they made from wildrift, they couldn't resist.
They literally closed Garena because they deemed their gacha-like systems unacceptable and/or unethical
But I guess if its Rito who does the gacha - then its fine lol
I do a lot of custom skins. A chroma like ekko or jihn can be made in 8 hours by a rookie.
As a Yone one trick, I’m sad I don’t have the Mythic High Noon variant, but at least I didn’t waste a single dollar
Don't be the og high noon is better skin overall
Its better my g, i make fun and flame in game chat when i see a 200€ or500€ skin to shame that players that buy it 😂😂😂😂
Riot is insane with this. Let me put this into perspective. In my coutnry most families have arouind 40USD a week for groceries to spend. That is often lowered if anyone of the family is sick etc.
Imagine spending 200 USD for a virtual skin in a game, or groceries for a month or so for atleast 2 people.
Yes. So should Lamborghini offer 2000 dollar cars in Bangladesh? Is that how the world works? No obviously.
Some of the dumbest comments of the year in this comment section!
@@Habib_Osmana lamborghini its a real car this things are just pixels
@@Chesesino6111an old Toyota is also a real car you could get instead of the Lamborghini which you’ll never get to use to its full capabilities with speed limits. Pixels or not, they’re mostly unnecessary and bought simply for flexing reasons, just don’t let it bother you
@@zaboono im refering more to the value y can resell even the cheapest car on earth but that skin just disapears when the game shuts down and eventually all games die.
just make it directly purchasable for like a 30% discount or something, since when buy 30 capsules you will also gain like a billion skinshards anyway giving alot more value than just the gacha skin
10:50 Heh. You got spoiled by Hoyoverse games, Necrit. Pity progress not carrying over to other banners is actually pretty common. That's how it is in, for example, Pokemon Masters EX.
Was nice to meet you in person at the LEC in Munich!
I blame asia system for bring gacha into NA games. Miss old days when you want a skin just pick and go. Greedy . The new Queens skin should of been a event!
Isnt rito from asia tho?
@@cocogoat1238no. But tencent is.
I'm pretty sure there is an argument to be made this goes against the Code of Consumer's Defence. Might be illegal in Brazil.
My first problem with two league Re-skins costing 400 bucks is, that I can't afford them easily.
My second concern is, that I don't have a business that wallows that hard in greed which pays off so good, to even raise the moneymaker.
Like think about it. Most people who play league hate league, and they keep playing AND paying.
AND YOU ONLY GET 3 WEEKS TO GET ADDITIONAL 400 BUCKS.
The target customer must be dragons sitting on gold piles.
Why is this a problem? You dont have to spend 400 on the skin and alls good. I dont see where the problem is?
@@theeddy1296 it's called ethics. League is doing same as gacha games do, which is same as, say, governments selling cigarettes do.
They're willingly hurting people that are addicted because they know it's going to give them money.
You say it doesn't matter, until one of your close relatives gets hit by it. Then suddently it hits you, that maybe this kind of behaviour shouldn't have been allowed to start.
400$ here is like 6 months salary of a public school teacher :(
@@cocogoat1238 What kind of public school teacher earns 66,67 $ a month?
@@theeddy1296 I want to, but - and I quote - "[...] that I can't afford them easily."
we gotta stay patient for the next vid about the arcane trailer 😂
How did you add the loading thing?😮
@@bunnyx2819ikrrrr
TLDR: Riot Games (The for profit company) realized that people buy expensive skins (that don't affect gameplay) because they have money, new "mythic variants" are expensive chromas of old skins... Rich people will probably buy them... Still doesn't give you an advantage.
wrong. people were putting themselves into debt for faker skin.
@@hokage039 and thats like, their problem? No one forces you to spend money
@Schwibzik You can also blame the gamblers for losing their fortune in a casino, there are reasons for laws protecting the consumer/player. There are ethical and unethical ways to earn money, riot system is indeed predatory in some of these cases.
Except the issue is not in the gameplay advantage. Read the first half of your own comment and you will get the issue. Riot realized how easy it is to farm rich people so now, skins are becoming more and more expensive while their quality is dropping. This affects everyone, not just the rich people. Sorry if I am being rude but, are you intentionally being ignorant or do you really not see the issue here?
@@hokage039 thats sounds more like a personal ( i cant work with monny) problen than a riot problem.
it was and still is a free to play game
I‘m just waiting for the 1k Elementalist Lux Transcendant Variant
Am I the only guy who doesn’t give af about any of these cosmetics or their prices? We can play the game completely for free
And me. I see it as Gucci or Lamborghini type of products. If you want to spend 500 dollars on a pair of jeans, go for it! If you want to spend 500k on a car, go for it! That's capitalism! Everybody decides what they want to do with their money.
I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of people really could not care less; it's rather a vocal minority being "outraged" by this.
Idk i get somehow invested in stuff like this even tho i never paid a cent to riot. Because you cant buy anything there, you pay a fee to rent an imaginary item until riot revokes your right to use them. Calling them purchases is a big stretch
@@tupacshakur5868 Most people are aware of this though and STILL decide to "purchase"/rent (whatever you'd like to call it, really) said skins.
Besides, it's not hard to put 2 and 2 together and realize that just about ANY online-only service will eventually revoke your access to any content you have paid for up until closure.
Does it suck? Absolutely.
But it's the way things work and while it hasn't been widely accepted, it is most certainly widely known.
So long as the game stays free to play (it will because this is the business model that’s worked for riot for so many years), they can do whatever they want with skins. My stance is just if you don’t like it, don’t buy it, and you shouldn’t care what other people do with their money
Gambling is funding 2xko which is gambling with skill really makes you think
It doesn't affect me because I can ignore it. If none of you can then it's your own problem XD
In my opinion you should also compare the fact of Battle Queen Katarina chroma's which also changed really a lot of small details even in her blades and were affordable for just blue essence during the emporium instead of mythic essence in the special prestige shop.
imagine if elementalist lux came out today
I'm so glad it didn't come out today. I own every lux skin, but if they put one behind a gacha wall, they seeing 0 from me. I play gachas already and I don't want gachas in my non gacha games.
"What effort?" ...ouch.. the burn xD
Why do people keep crying, instead of just dont engaging with this kind of things
No clue.. seems like all common sense has left the comment section. Insane to see! Baffling.
Because they either need to vent or (in some even more delusional cases) think that it's actually gonna change anything, let alone other people's spending.
Idk why people complain that much about cosmetics in a free to play game. I mean if the quality and value of a skin are bad just... don't buy it?
Cant they complain about scummy practices now because you're bootlicking the company?
@@akramelseriol6989 Oh, you absolutely can. I (and many others, for that matter) just simply do not understand what you THINK your complaints will accomplish.
You're screaming into an echoless void, if you haven't realized by now.
Besides, that's not "bootlicking the company"; that's simply not giving a shit about something as optional as cosmetics.
It's the last thing I could care about when it comes to League - what matters to me, personally, is that there's no P2W and I think most people share that sentiment.
As a veteran league player all I want from riot is for them to give visual updates to those outdated champions and skins.. I've been collecting old skins like I'm collecting Pokemon cards just to see one day that riot will finally update them but not this kind of stuff that gives newer skin some more fancy chromas instead!
I cant understand why people bitch about these prices, it a "high end" skin deal with it, if you aint paying for it just move on, its not that big a deal. there are tons of skins that you can get so why do you care so much about a really expensive skin
I'm at your side. But for some of us, if things keep going like this, some people may feel that there is less content aimed at their pourchasing range.
In the end, we are trading these skins for more money overall dedicated to lol, including gamemodes, trailers and related media.
It’s pretty simple. League is a F2P game. Its community is built upon its content being accessible to everyone. When these skins come out that cost hundreds of dollars, it drives a wedge into the community and splits the rich from the poor. Sure, it’s an optional skin with no power attached to it, so if you can’t get it you can’t get it. But that mental division in the community is still there. League is no longer a place for everyone. It’s a place for Riot to suck as much money out of people as they can. Yikes… not a good look.
@@Diego3141 ITS A FREE TO LAY GAME, YOU DONT NEED SKINS, THATS A PERSONAL CHOICE MA G
@@zohan4394 its a personal choice. But only saying that is missing the forest for the trees. @popington4674 gives more argument about putting up these prices with care.
@@popington4674 Then the issue is the immature community letting such trivial shit drive them apart. What about all the really poor people or people without debit cards who can't buy skins at all? Should we remove all skins because some people can't afford them? Should we remove all abilities because some people can't use a keyboard? Division only happens if you let it happen.
It's kind of comforting seeing these videos and forgetting how in my gacha game, where I've invested almost 5 years, they have made a new type of units with even worse conditions than the worst one (worse pity).
EDIT: Oh, no. My gacha game doesn't carry pity across banners... I mean, except the one banner that is paid currency-only, but not the emerging ones with new units. Sad
Those gacha pity sistem you mention only become standard after genshin impact released. Many game before it doesn't even have a pity system, some have pity limited to specific banner or time period.
i like to pretend Garen lion turned into a manticore makes it feel more cool then what it is really riot dragon lion
If I ever do end up making my game well enough to be stable, skins will be bought by a secondary currency that-while you can spend real money on it-is earned relatively easily by playing ranked or something. If I EVER do NY kind of Gacha event, it’s going to be a high chance and a guaranteed draw on box 3, with a bundle offer that’s cheaper than the 3 separate boxes
Saw these and thought “yeah I could see myself spending gemstone dust on those” and then later on it hit me when I couldn’t find them in the Gem store
Wait, that darius one is literally the prestige skin color template, I'd recognize that color scheme anywhere thanks to Zed's (one of the only ones where it actually looks better than the base skin)
The issue with these skins are that it doesn't justify the price tag. A skin shouldn't even cost more than a triple-A game. Most gacha games let's you keep rolling till maybe $80 if you have the worst luck to get the event skin. While gacha is inherently predatory, it doesn't mean Riot should allow this. Unfortunately Riot can get away with it since they've made a name for themselves big enough that this issue won't cause major backlash. They can do something stupid by threading line between, then apologize, then do it again.
NECRIT ITS TIME TO ANALYZE A NEW ACRANE TRAILER!
and I expect it to be 45+ min long
side note, i think these mythic variants are somewhat a reference to an event in league that happened in 2018. Riot made like 4 events of the type "VS" where players, in client, chose a "side" and gathered points to their side through playing and winning games. at the end of the event, the players of the winning side where awarded some loot and an icon to celebrate their victory
now, in this Versus Event called "Battle of the God-Kings", Darius won over Garen, and since I chose Darius I was awarded a special icon with God King Darius in it.
imo, that might be the reason they are called Divine God-King Darius and *Fallen* God-King Garen
they did more events like (first event) Dawnbringer Riven Vs Nightbringer Yasuo (winner) (2017), Cats (winner) vs Dogs (2019) and The Trials (2019) but this one was 4 houses, the players chose one and they competed with each other, there was a personality test to help you chose one, it was like the houses of Harry Potter
Riot : *Lift a finger
Also Riot : 400$
Welcome to the whale park guys
I guess Riot learnt about changing the wording of what things really are, from George Orwell's Animal Farm :D
the way I see it is if you are spending money on skins who cares how much they cost? its skins...
This UI and capsule system was also used for the most recent MF skin, you couldn't get it through the battle pass
I mean when the reroll chance is 1 in 1600, rerolling into any speciffic skin is insane to think of. And yet I got two gragas skins after I got a gragas skin with orange essence. And on top of that an orianna skin after I got a skin for her too. Same for xerath.
can't wait for the college tuition skin 🥰
I don’t play PC league, but tend to play Wild Rift. My last obsession was during Syndra release, and back then we had an entire chinese-themed skinline put into a gacha system, and right after that - another one partly gacha, and fully FOMO.
After that I quit for a year due to burnout (played too much, skins didn’t really bother me). Came back to fine a gacha skinline and a lot of kinda thematic skins turned into FOMO, now tied to certain yearly events and only available for purchase during that time.
Ugly stuff.
Not every gacha has a shared pity between banners though.
it's not cheaper to buy capsules in bundles so the gatcha isn't worse if your buy a single capsule at a time
I'd argue the first skin that got people scared was Pulsefire Ezreal. It was all downhill after that.
when mythic chromas first came out i was hoping they would release one for god king darius, and this was riots delivery i cri
the point that is often overlooked is the fact that in gatcha games (genshin, star rail, wuwa) you have a way to earn the pulls/capsules for free. yes, it's not as much as money can get you, but still - if you clear the game's content you get some currency. in lol, you don't. but i doubt riot would ever give you any way to earn a capsule, even though in tft you do get it through the battle pass
The genie's out of the bottle and no one's going to stuff it back in. In the Eastern markets, having an expensive skin is seen as a sign of prestige, so they'll always be willing to whale harder than Ahab for them no matter the price.
Calling it right now: Pool Party Ahri is going to cost a solid $1,000, and it's going to make more money than all the gacha skins combined.
So people who I don't care about in the opposite corner of the world are willing to voluntarily spend large amounts of money for cosmetics which in return subsidises a fair, f2p game which I enjoy playing for free in my free time, plus all their other f2p games in development, including 2xko and the mmo, and people have a problem with that?
@@MagicButterfly549 The issue is that there's a lot of people world-wide that like skins. However not everyone wants to shell out enough money to make a car payment on a skin.
@@ruggedlemmings9163 so get a different skin for like $5? Not every skin is behind a gatcha system and if there's one thing that isn't lacking from lol it's skins 😂😂😂, or here's another tip: you don't need a skin to play your favourite character. You're not impressing anyone just because you have a skin if your score is 0/10/3
@@MagicButterfly549 What about all the Faker fans that don't want to take out a loan to show their support for their favorite player? I'm not going to get into the psychological aspect of things as I don't feel like writing an essay right now, but suffice it to say the "just don't buy it" argument has never been a valid defense of ridiculous monetization.
@@ruggedlemmings9163 how about people get some common sense and don't go into debt for a cosmetic item inna videogame that has no real value? How about stop fan-boying hard over pro gamers? If you like faker so much just print a poster for your bedroom LMAO.
When a multimillion dollar company decides they need a gacha system
given their recent actions in regards to their japanese games investment, i have a feeling that tencent sees the writing on the wall with league (the moba) and is just doing what it can to milk the last bit possible from their investment before trimming the fat
For the record, most gachas work like how Riot is using this right now. The "compounded pity" system is still new and something most compannies do not want to adopt. So in a way, Riot is indeed representing the subsection of gaming they are copying this system from well, as they too are allergic to changing things for the better!
Dude, like I said whenever the Faker Ahri skin was revealed, this obviously caters wayyy more to the Asian market, which is by far their biggest market (there's a total of 200+ million active monthly League players, almost 20 million in Korea and 75 million in China, so the Asian market is almost half of the entire player base), and everyone knows that Asian people don't give a sh*t about spending big money on games, quite the contrary, they love to do it, it's a way for them to showcase social status.
"When you stop pulling, the pity you got to that point will transfer to another banner. They give you a currency you can use to just buy the characters separately" yeah rub it in more to us PoMa players. We have NONE of that. It's all wallet and prayers
Did I just saw Necrit with shoes ?
the supposed "bad" guy garen skin doesn't even have the particles of the first god king darius since he was red and garen is more purple than the red we've known for the god king skins it's just sad
How would riot know a skin that's not purchasable is selling well? Even in good faith I can't see how they could disaggregate the data to conclude with certainty that the sells were for the skin.
And it's not like riot doesn't have incentive to lie about it.
You can thank Tencent and the Chinese for that. They LOVE gacha games.
You're forgetting the original Prestige Ahri 2019/2022, that release was crazy expensive...
I don't have a problem with League doing this but they should make the skins available for Hextech drops after 1 year of release. It would be an insanely rare chance to get but still it being possible would be nice.
Also people do have to remember these are simply cosmetics, but it would be nice to see them go into F2P after a year.
do we not have the swap variant skins already??? Blitzcrank mecha skin(Paragon and another one I forgot), Soraka dawn/dusk bringer and Dark/cosmic Lux and I remember them not being $200 especially Soraka's and Lux's since they're also Legendary!
Necrit the trailer dropped a few hours ago.
I play gacha games my opinion may be biased, but i think what differs the gachas i play from league's gacha system is that a gacha like genshin impact or fate go doesn't force you to spend money to participate in the system, so even if you are a gambling addict you can still go "f2p" if you want and still fulfill your need for gambling. League forces you to buy a very expensive item that can't be obtained with f2p currency and the rewards aren't even worth it (like, at worse you will get a fragment of a 6$ skin for a champ you don't even play)
Edit: also the capsules system is the first time most people who play league will interact with gacha and this can normalize a thinking that they need to spend to participate on the system or something like that.
they used to have a limit on how many regular loot orbs/boxes you could buy in league, if u tried to buy more than 200$ worth it would literally tell you to try tomorrow did they remove that?
I heard about it on the french LoL instagram account and commented « well no, that’s a chroma »
Even Wildrift are focusing more on the Gacha system after they implement it, which they tend to put some Wildrift exclusive skins in it
I’m past a million mastery on MF. The coolest thing was getting the battle bunny skin out of an orb. 🎉
Necrit sir can you please do updated how powerful are champions according to lore would love a 4 hour stream for that
irdk about skin prices cuz they dont affect the gameplay. Ill just buy the skins for the champions I like once I justify that the cost is worth it like a normal person.
Speaking of Tft Gacha, the new "Mythic" tokens or whatever they are called, replacement for the pity (which in my oppinion is still way better), they decided to put Prestige Chibi Tactician for 25 of those tokens. Problem is, to get to 25, it will at least cost you more than 200$, with the current Prestige Tactician being something like 0.08% chance to get on random roll, still wondering why no one even complained about this.
Because it at least gives you some form of control over what you get.
Which is more than you can say for most other gacha mechanics.
You can collect your 25 tokens and eventually get yourself a nice chibi or what ever expensive item you want.
RIP prestige chibi banner
And back when the Jhin mythic variant capsules were out, they used to give a capsule for free. I have a friend who actually got that Jhin skin from that 1 capsule lol. Now they don't even do that so people can't have that puny 1% chance to get it.
i only buy these if its a insane skin or a skin on my main. these are not worth 200 but id still get them if its on my main champ
My 40 rerolls still waiting in my loot menu to try my luck on that Jhin skin... I see you riot and the promise you gave to us
I honestly thought they would give a capsule since the original debut of these skins you got to pick the team you wanted to be on. (I believe darius's team won and got a extra icon for it) I was honestly expecting them to bring it back and say "whichever team you pick you gain either of their capsule." Buuuut they are really greedy-
I’ve never paid for the loot boxes and never will, I’ve pulled udyr’s ultimate skin out of a freebie chest though.. all I’ve ever wanted 🎉
I own 878 skins and have had 0 mythic skins drop from loot the only one I own is anniversary. Mythic drop rate is so low it might as well not exist.
This capsule system is the same system Square Enix is using on the skins in Final Fantasy VII: Ever Crisis, if you pull in a banner it has 0 value for any other banner in the game.
I got the Ahri skin because I did not want to grind the battle pass. Work one weekend and make the money. But I’m not chasing the new skins
Waiting for them to go back and edit the article where they said Jhin would be back. They also said it would be a year later and it came out in September. My guess is they maybe put the Jhin in there then don’t do the rest.
I really wish they would release relative roi for skins.
Like saying "let's say we usually allocate 1 unit of money for common skins which usually net us between 50 to 300 units of money and we can work on 10 of them at a time. Legendary skins need 100 units and return 300 to 1k units and we can make 2 without blocking the pipeline".
Without saying what's a "unit" and maybe even separating the units for investment and return so people won't say "you are making 10 times your investment! You can make it cheaper!"
I don't think most players would understand it and just complain the latter
Customers have 0 right to know a companies profit margins. Truly sick and baffling comments in this comment section.
so to point out about the jhin skin i own most skins in the game i WILL know if its available as i can no longer reroll skins as all reroll able skins are already owned by me i really hope they will make them available for me soon