I just discovered Alan Moore this week. I have a LOT of fascinating watching and reading ahead of me. I love this man's intellect, humour and integrity. Thank you so much for sharing this wonderful talk.
I am reading Jerusalem a second time immediately after reading it the first time, and the beauty and power of Moore's writing shakes me to the soul. He's a magician.
that's nuts. I couldn't even make it past page 60. I read his first book voice of the fire and thought he had a lot of potential as a novelist but then Jerusalem proved me wrong. Never has a book in more desperate need of a good editor.
It is true that the book isn't always an easy read, arguably, and requires commitment from the reader, but when the entirety has been processed it is a truly remarkable piece of work.
this man is divine, a true prophet if there ever was one. It usually takes a while to 'get used' to how he talks, but once he's got you, he takes you on one hell of an experience.
"this man is divine, a true prophet if there ever was one." No he isn't., He's a bitter old man that's realized he spent his life as a tool. For all his intelligence, his ideology betrayed him, his works are trivial and now he lives with nothing but regret.
The thing I like most about Alan Moore is that he demands that you think for yourself. He challenges and provokes but never dismisses original thought.
@@MintythecatIsABeast If you were to run into him there and he approached you on his way out and asked, "Would you like to go on an adventure?", while holding out a certain mushroom, would you go with him?
I would go up to more and ask him how much he loved the comic "doomsday clock." Lolololol jk, I'd ask him about the baphelmet head in his novel , "voices of the fire"
Language and Tool making are inexplicably linked in areas of the brain; which makes sense because they both involve the same things, abstract reasoning, pattern recognition, defined foresight and transmission to others (if you don’t transmit the use of a tool, it’s just a stick).
Very inspirational and insightful. I've been thinking and working on similar ideas. A real genius. at work. I got this sense of aha! eureka! quit a few times while listening to his words. I mean, I saw the whole history as he explained play out in my mind. Thank you! This was great.
A Vizier is a high-ranking political advisor, who was at first merely a helper but afterwards became the representative and successor of the official scribe or secretary of the king.
“Einstein's relativity work is a magnificent mathematical garb which fascinates, dazzles and makes people blind to the underlying errors. The theory is like a beggar clothed in purple whom ignorant people take for a king... its exponents are brilliant men but they are metaphysicists rather than scientists.” - Nikola Tesla
This is briliant. The one thing I don't quite get is why a person of Alan Moore's calibre would situate the beginning of language & culture ca. "7000 ys ago" in the "Neolithic" (instead of ca. 50000 ys ago in the Paleolithic). Maybe he got distracted during his talk.
Agree a lot about the ''that which we can't conceive, we can't perceive''. Think of a colour you've never seen in your head. Definitions colour perceptions, which are taken as reality.
Speaking to the point regarding the inverted pentacle - have a look at the Republican elephant logo. It was apparently changed from upright to inverted stars post millenium.
Holy frick Allan Moore, this shit is amazing,... And kinda scary. So writers are the closest thing to real magicians. Advertisers are usually evil magicians. To spell,. Is to essentially cast a spell!! Mind blown is an understatement.. mind nuked.
That's why you learn to spell in grade school look into the dark arts of the court, black robes, getting summoned to go to court, etc.. Scary but freeing as well :) now advertisement will hopefully just be less effective at making you by on impulse
The follow-up question, and some comments below, regarding Alan's Aztecs "speculation", I think was misinterpreted but not unjustly. As AM was saying the comment, my thought was not "Aztecs didn't know what ships were" as speculation they lack knowledge/understanding vs. the Spanish but more they couldn't conceive through their current perception why the "ocean"(Spanish arrival) was now different with the arrival of the Spanish. This goes back to the relationship held with the ocean/natural world before and after the arrival of the Spanish. If you take the view of the Aztecs were a group of people who were at equilibrium with the natural world the arrival of the Spanish could be viewed, not incorrectly, as a change from/in the "ocean" if one's interactions/preception of the ocean up until then was a source of good (food etc. aka survival) more or less. All of a sudden a negative source, this case the Spanish, coming from the ocean would certainly change/alters one's perception of the ocean from that point forward. Again, taking into account the equilibrium which was in place prior. Or I was just too stoned watching this XD
love the image-journey/machinations of the possible possibilities of when the' I' thought that 'I' was separate from the 1. lol. look how far we are. magic? wtf?
The Gertie story is true. You can read about it on Frank Cullen's encyclopedia of vaudeville acts called Vaudeville: old & new. What is wrong, however, is Moore claiming that Winsor McCay is the father of the animated film. It's a common misconception, but all animation historians will tell you that the title belongs to Emile Cohl. McCay is only credited with pioneering keyframe animation, but not the actual medium itself.
I think there will always be a level of exaggeration to early commercial material for cinema. It’s like if a hundred years from now someone was like ‘people literally ran out in paranormal activity screenings, because I saw the promotional trailer.’ Sure there’s some extreme cases but people weren’t quite *that* stupid. Maybe the average is underwhelming but still, cmon 😂
Only question I would ask is, who’s to say that putting things back together from where they came is the best thing to do? Having them interact with each other sure, but we never say that “now that all creatures have evolved from a single organism and reached differentiatable forms, we should work at combining them into one again” they interact and some benefit others while some are of detriment, but uniting them into one single organism doesn’t seem reasonable. That’s not to say that everything derived from what was initially seen as magic being reformed is a bad thing, but I just don’t see it as inherently good. Nor do i see the universe existing only in the physical plane as inherently bad, this is just our reaction to the idea when it is presented to us in the form that Alan Moore does
Fear not, the Brontosaurus may be back. long after scientists decided the famed dinosaur never actually existed, there is new research that suggests it may have existed after all. :)
Marshal Mcluhan described ‘tools’ as ‘action at a distance’. I think it is then arguable that language is just a tool, with the understanding that all technology could be described as magic to previous generations.
I think everything we've created is a tool to get out what has been inside of you all along, art and a brush or pen, music and a guitar just tools the music or art is in you
Technology is magic, its not that one generations magic is another generations tech, it never stops being magic, cell phones, computers , the harnessing of electricity, radio waves, all this shit is magic dont get it twisted. We live in a world of casted spells and alchemical Transmutations. We are just put under a spell when we are children that causes us to see it all as something else. When that spell is broken thats when awakening occurs and you can see how the magic works.
There are a few names for the time we live in. Some call it the age of the magician. Others the age of promitheus. Very material (satanic) magic of course. I have a feeling that this whole thing can flip upside down or inside out. At one point we have to reconnect with spirit again. Maybe we are all fueling an invicible momentum for a kind of positive reversal. I hope to see a balance between the material and spiritual aspects of the world.
My theory is that at some distant point in the future...Mark Millar..Warren Ellis and Grant Morrison all fuse into a new Super being that then calls itself..Alan Moore.
I love Alan Moore but that famous story about tha Aztecs always makes me laugh - it's hard to believe they got as far as they did without developing a way to say the phrase: "What the fuck is that?"
"'The universities do not teach all things, so a doctor must seek out old wives, gypsies, sorcerers, wandering tribes, old robbers, and such outlaws and take lessons from them." - Paracelsus
The syntactical nature of reality, the real secret of magic, is that the world is made of words. And if you know the words that the world is made of, you can make of it whatever you wish. Terence McKenna
Brontosaurus DID exist! It had already previously been discovered and named Apatosaurus. HOWEVER... new research around 2014 has proven that the specimen in question is in fact different from Apatosaurus, hence Brontosaurus DID exist and in fact there are now three types!
What Alan Moore seems to be talking about here is "Verbal Language", but not Language in its entirety. In such, that which he conceives as having been prior to Language is also Language. The difference is that this isn't "Verbal Language"; it is Language in its entirety. Now, as for why it is defined as Language, the answer is because of its general composite. Whatever it is that allows any perception of Reality, or that allows Reality to simply be, must have a specific structure. And for it to be perceived as Reality, or that which that is "real", meaning must be assigned to its structure. The result of this is a harmony of Syntax (structure) and Semantic (meaning). In other words, what we have is a Language. All of Reality is, in some sense, a Language (Logos).
Transformation is a large part of magic and shamanism. If this is so, then aren't comedians, who turn tragedy (over time) into comedy and make us laugh, in some sense shamans? "It is hard work, and great art, to make life, not so serious." -John Irving (The Hotel New Hampshire)
Consciousness and Language | Psychology TodayAug 9, 2016 - If one conceives of consciousness as access to our thoughts for action and report-the so-called 'access consciousness' (Block, 1995)-then it is entirely unsurprising that language could be considered as a necessary condition for consciousness. But there are alternative ways of understanding language.
Many of his ideas are paralleled Yuval Noah Harari’s Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind. In particular the advent of cooking and evolution of language as catalysts for the cognitive revolution.
personaly i think the idea that consciousness being a sum of certain biological traits is a wrong turn at the very start, consciousness in my opinion is micro and macrocosmic and our perception of that consciousness is just where were at. :) love alan more though maximum respect
Don't know if I can claim to be well read, but I'll give you advice as best I can: Doesn't matter too much, I think. You could just go chronologically. But I'm gonna go through the ones I've read in no particular order and share some of my thoughts. I think V for Vendetta is a good starting point, since it's pretty down to Earth and also early in the chronology. There's a good chance it'll get you interested in anarchism, so if you wanna read up on that politics/philosophy, try An Anarchist FAQ (just google it, it's free to read online). The Killing Joke could also easily be argued to be a good starting point, since it's very short and you're likely familiar with Batman and the Joker already. It's also, while being the best Batman comic I've ever read, arguably Moore's least impressive work, so it only gets better from there. Marvelman (known as Miracleman in the US) is also a great one, and it's another early work. It's a continuation of an earlier, silly children's comic, and the first few pages are just a reprint of one of those silly stories. Just power through them and you'll get to an amazing story that's definitely the most psychedelic one out of the ones I'm mentioning here. For that reason, it may or may not be a good starting point, depending on how comfortable with such wacky things you are. Watchmen is, of course, absolutely iconic, and for good reason. It is a very complex, non-linear, story, and not well-suited for casual reading on the side. But it's probably the most exciting ride and the hardest to stop reading halfway through. Of course, those are just my opinions. If you start with, say, Watchmen, and you personally find it rather dull, don't let that dissuade you from giving the others a try. Btw, this may depend on which country you're from, but I've been able to read all of these online for free by simply googling "Read [title] online". Also works for other comics and many non-comic novels. But like I said, that option may not be available in your country, you'll have to try it for yourself. Also, some more of his works that I haven't yet read that sound very intriguing include Promethea, From Hell, and his non-comic novel Jerusalem, but especially with the latter it's probably good I'm saving it for last.
Putting back together Art, Science, Language and Consciousness into a new Form of Magic to transform collective Consciousness. Modern Art could Do it but it needs directl links to the real physical World, it needs to slip out of the Digital World into our experienced World, not only conceptual constructs. And a good Artwork needs time for contemplation to appear in our World, we channel but the "3d printing " needs time. If not the Artwork is just a dead object, no soul. Just another empty shell to buy
I really hope Alan would see my post but I think he is an "idealist" philosophically speaking, magic in politics in France is analyzed by the ecole of histoire politique, which implies social psychology, sociology to analyze the politics, Hume after dealing with empiricism, speaks about the color blue that we guess in between to colour light blue and dark blue which he doesn't explain rationnally, I think Moore speaks about the intuition in general. The concerns toward exactic and society seems like to refers to Rousseau (society is seen as a bad thing towards the individual) and also of Albert Camus in the absurdity of life, also we can see entelechies maybe in Aristotle philosophy and also of course Nietzsche in the Willpower also. Perspectivism and post structuralist philosophy is also a good thing to refer. I really like this "ontogenese" of Magic really greatful Alan Moore you're an amazing writer. Psychology is full of magic though!
See, I really like AM, but I'm suspicious of that first bit of information--the one about the Aztecs not being able to perceive the ships because they had no word for them. This is spoken about in What the Bleep Do We Know, and given how What the Bleep edited some of the scientific interviews in order to make the science *seem* to fit the proffered view, I'm skeptical about that info too. If it were provably true, it would be a good illustration of his point; but since it isn't, and really, seems quite far fetched, I question why he didn't go with a better example of consciousness preceding language. Surely there must be a better example; and if there isn't, should we really be that sure of it?
Consciousness means 'it's something like to be me'. You can destroy the part of the brain that is capable of language and consciousness persists. I agree, consciousness had to be first.
He never said it with any certainty as if it were a fact. He merely wondered and considered that the Aztecs have never seen a ship, had no word for ship and so therefore would have no idea what they were looking at. It would be like placing an iPad in front of man in 1600, no idea what they are perceiving.
_consciousness preceding language_ You want an example? Just observe a human baby. Or use magnets to shut down the Default Mode Network. Or take a high dose of psylocibin. Or practice Hua'Tou.
oops , bailiffs at the door, not looking for me lol, but yeah broke my flow, follow this though . gentle noise becomes a hum , vocal chords develope to song , certain stones hit with sticks resonate like a gong . certain caves have accousics that deaden the sound. but a cave made from granite, they positively resound. jump forward to moses and egyptian pictorials make me a cuppa dfor the full tutorial. all the gods have a staff with a fork at the end and moses and aaron ? what did they have my friend ? a rod or a staff that defeats pharoahs snakes ? look at a soundwave , what shape does it make, and the tribe of Dan ? why do they get to lead, cos when they lined all the staffs up god gave theirs leaves. almond blossom , the first sign of spring . now mr wizard heres a marvelous thing , the staff puts out almonds, bitter and sweet the bitter ones will kill you , the sweet you can eat, and the name for almonds the greeks used to use amygdala they called them quite easily confused , with the part of the brain which designed to feel threat, the warning system at the top of the neck, when you first percieve something before a decision is made, this bit screams 'WATCH OUT !!' and the adrenal gland engaged, .....now this part of the brain has a particular shape , can you guess what that is yet ? ( oh and as an aside , the dudes prior to this in Sumarian relief carvings with the handbag and pine cone ? it isnt , its a shell . ;) ) pop quiz for anyone whos reading , what and where did i find this repetitive palindromic number 1361631991361631991361639....... etc. for a good explanation of the neural technicalities and evolutionary psychology of the amygdala you can find a good clip by a fellow Northamptonian @MarkBowden . he got educated here and learned about , it i got edgy from caning and live with it. same schools same teachers different outcomes, he lives in canada, i live in fear, he found his place in the world , my fate found me here. . ruclips.net/video/rk_SMBIW1mg/видео.html thats him . this is me, ruclips.net/video/T7gv4EOIJO8/видео.html . see you around x
The original component of magic is the shaman - the open mind able to accept the deluge and translate it into thought. How to create the shaman? By the time a child is born into this society it is too late, the iron sky is closed. The way becomes clear to the seeker of truth.
What does he say when he says “psychiatry yeah, that’s .......... in a lab coat?” I either can’t understand or don’t know what the word is. Please help
Alan raised some very interesting points here, all without notes. Regarding one point, if we’re truly unable to perceive what we don’t understand, then movies wouldn’t work. I’ve seen giant spiders and I was able to comprehend them. Being mistaken isn’t the same as being incapable of processing what you’ve seen because it’s beyond you.
8.00 Paleolithic people have magic but its all bodily aka "tantric", its not maybe as conceptual That is the break From affect to concept From analogical to symbolical From sound to language From feeling to thinking
Now in 2020 there are fewer and fewer jobs, as Alan predicted. Whot koind uv worruld our we going to develorp, with more time on owr hannds, one with moore ecstasy??
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I just discovered Alan Moore this week. I have a LOT of fascinating watching and reading ahead of me. I love this man's intellect, humour and integrity. Thank you so much for sharing this wonderful talk.
same haha
Alan Moore Is The Way.
@@juan.zabala so much wisdom in that man.
I am reading Jerusalem a second time immediately after reading it the first time, and the beauty and power of Moore's writing shakes me to the soul. He's a magician.
that's nuts. I couldn't even make it past page 60. I read his first book voice of the fire and thought he had a lot of potential as a novelist but then Jerusalem proved me wrong. Never has a book in more desperate need of a good editor.
It is true that the book isn't always an easy read, arguably, and requires commitment from the reader, but when the entirety has been processed it is a truly remarkable piece of work.
Alan Moore is a treasure of humanity, appreciated only by a select few.
BUT
The Chosen Few , us .
I could listen to Alan for hours x
he spoke without notes!
Didn't need any. For some reason he's better than me! A jolly nice fellow too.
He was rambling and incoherent
@@Jacob-ib4zx lol!
Definitely rambled without notes 📝 hahah. Fuck, I wish I could ramble that articulatly..
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this man is divine, a true prophet if there ever was one. It usually takes a while to 'get used' to how he talks, but once he's got you, he takes you on one hell of an experience.
iamsaztak true, very true, there simply aren't enough people like Alan around, such a shame
iamsaztak we're all prophets
"this man is divine, a true prophet if there ever was one."
No he isn't., He's a bitter old man that's realized he spent his life as a tool. For all his intelligence, his ideology betrayed him, his works are trivial and now he lives with nothing but regret.
@@Mayaspiral nonsense. the majority of people walking the earth are NPC's.
The explanation of the tarot card The Devil at 50:30 is mind-blowing.
The thing I like most about Alan Moore is that he demands that you think for yourself. He challenges and provokes but never dismisses original thought.
That's generally what's great about anarchism.
"The thing I like most about Alan Moore is that he demands that you think for yourself. "
He demands that you think HIS thoughts for yourself.
@@jimbeam-ru1my Assertion without cause. That's the last thing he wants.
Came for the comic books, stayed for the profound insights into the human condition.
Thank you for sharing! Alan Moore is brilliant.
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I love how Alan Moore watches Peaky Blinders!
Alan Moore on the Joe Rogan podcast would break the internet
No it wouldn't. There would be a lot of interest from few people but the general public cares more about Kim's booty than Alan's words.
Not happening
He doesn't leave Northampton but it would be legendary.
It would never happen, but if it ever did, they wouldn't get off the topic of hallucinogens.
Shill Rogan is ass.
Re 44:00 ish. Stand in a very dark place out in nature and see what your mind comes up with!!! Then walk the path and try and control your reactions.
Brilliant
The genius of our time.
best fucking intro ever, wish everyone would do this
53:10, Alan Moore sums up life for most people!
What a great crowd and introducing-man! Amazing from AM as always.
Did Alan more make Northampton the centre of the world, or did Northampton create Alan Moore because it is?
I often think of Alan when I walk through the train station entrance at Northampton Train Station :) He's a real gift to us lot really.
@@MintythecatIsABeast If you were to run into him there and he approached you on his way out and asked, "Would you like to go on an adventure?", while holding out a certain mushroom, would you go with him?
@@molagbal5313 I would demand 3 shrooms - caps, no stems.
Perhaps they are one and the same? Perhaps Alan is Northampton’s fleshy avatar?
I would go up to more and ask him how much he loved the comic "doomsday clock." Lolololol jk, I'd ask him about the baphelmet head in his novel , "voices of the fire"
I admire his creative work and he inspires me to be a great writer for literature
Love how brought it all back together at the end there and even did a clever head knod to himself like he knew that was a mic drop lol
Language and Tool making are inexplicably linked in areas of the brain; which makes sense because they both involve the same things, abstract reasoning, pattern recognition, defined foresight and transmission to others (if you don’t transmit the use of a tool, it’s just a stick).
A fantastic discussion. Thank you. 🕉
I love this man
I love you.
@@molagbal5313 no you :p
Very inspirational and insightful. I've been thinking and working on similar ideas. A real genius. at work. I got this sense of aha! eureka! quit a few times while listening to his words. I mean, I saw the whole history as he explained play out in my mind. Thank you! This was great.
first thing that came to mind a few minutes in was 'the master and his emissary' by iian mcgillchrist
He is putting a spell on all you people...pray he likes you😁 love it..your a powerful man..Alan Moore.
A Vizier is a high-ranking political advisor, who was at first merely a helper but afterwards became the representative and successor of the official scribe or secretary of the king.
“Einstein's relativity work is a magnificent mathematical garb which fascinates, dazzles and makes people blind to the underlying errors. The theory is like a beggar clothed in purple whom ignorant people take for a king... its exponents are brilliant men but they are metaphysicists rather than scientists.” - Nikola Tesla
This man is truly enlightened.
it always sounds interesting when he speaks.. but don't ask me WTF he's talking about, I wouldn't have a clue.
This is astonishing.
This is briliant. The one thing I don't quite get is why a person of Alan Moore's calibre would situate the beginning of language & culture ca. "7000 ys ago" in the "Neolithic" (instead of ca. 50000 ys ago in the Paleolithic). Maybe he got distracted during his talk.
We already have the unification of art, language and consciousness, we call it the ‘Algorithm’
ALL PRAISE THE ALGORITHM
wow thats right on, are algorithm and A I synonymous?
Agree a lot about the ''that which we can't conceive, we can't perceive''. Think of a colour you've never seen in your head. Definitions colour perceptions, which are taken as reality.
Speaking to the point regarding the inverted pentacle - have a look at the Republican elephant logo. It was apparently changed from upright to inverted stars post millenium.
Very intelligent questions - thankfully nobody asked him about comics.
I know, after all of that I was almost nihilistically hoping someone would ask "So when is Watchmen 2"?
He wrote comics great part of his life but it makes sense not asking here because is not comicon
Awesome vid, thank you.
On cookery: not just SOFTER, but bioavailability of nutrients changed our evolutionary vector.
We Need subtitules for can understanding beutiful and love words of this great artist and magician.
Holy frick Allan Moore, this shit is amazing,... And kinda scary. So writers are the closest thing to real magicians. Advertisers are usually evil magicians. To spell,. Is to essentially cast a spell!! Mind blown is an understatement.. mind nuked.
That's why you learn to spell in grade school look into the dark arts of the court, black robes, getting summoned to go to court, etc.. Scary but freeing as well :) now advertisement will hopefully just be less effective at making you by on impulse
Get Adlocker for free on Chrome. (Bi on impulse? Sorry Nob Joke)
I loved the talk but the Q&A was crap with people asking questions in order to be heard but not answered.
I got that feeling too
That's every single Q&A I've ever been to
It is the mind reaching out when the new is first perceived, and the mind taking hold when language first conceives.
For the all the Alan Moore fans out there. On the occult. Which of his books would you recommend the must?
His next one...to be released.
Most definitely read his 'Promethea' series. Comic books but mind bending.
Like the sigil at the top left of the vid ;)
The follow-up question, and some comments below, regarding Alan's Aztecs "speculation", I think was misinterpreted but not unjustly. As AM was saying the comment, my thought was not "Aztecs didn't know what ships were" as speculation they lack knowledge/understanding vs. the Spanish but more they couldn't conceive through their current perception why the "ocean"(Spanish arrival) was now different with the arrival of the Spanish. This goes back to the relationship held with the ocean/natural world before and after the arrival of the Spanish. If you take the view of the Aztecs were a group of people who were at equilibrium with the natural world the arrival of the Spanish could be viewed, not incorrectly, as a change from/in the "ocean" if one's interactions/preception of the ocean up until then was a source of good (food etc. aka survival) more or less. All of a sudden a negative source, this case the Spanish, coming from the ocean would certainly change/alters one's perception of the ocean from that point forward. Again, taking into account the equilibrium which was in place prior. Or I was just too stoned watching this XD
love the image-journey/machinations of the possible possibilities of when the' I' thought that 'I' was separate from the 1. lol. look how far we are. magic? wtf?
Anyone have any sources on that Gertie the Dinosaur bit? It seems a bit straining on the ol' credulity charts
You can find supporting information and a recreation of McKay's pioneering animation on Wikipedia.
The Gertie story is true. You can read about it on Frank Cullen's encyclopedia of vaudeville acts called Vaudeville: old & new. What is wrong, however, is Moore claiming that Winsor McCay is the father of the animated film. It's a common misconception, but all animation historians will tell you that the title belongs to Emile Cohl. McCay is only credited with pioneering keyframe animation, but not the actual medium itself.
I think there will always be a level of exaggeration to early commercial material for cinema. It’s like if a hundred years from now someone was like ‘people literally ran out in paranormal activity screenings, because I saw the promotional trailer.’ Sure there’s some extreme cases but people weren’t quite *that* stupid. Maybe the average is underwhelming but still, cmon 😂
Alan...you are THE BEST.
Pure brilliance
wow they though mi that aztec galeon sight invisibility phenomena when i was in telesecundaria in baja . .
dam that was so interesting!
Im sure hes wrong about the human jaw, it was caused by a genetic mutation in our ancestors.. but other than that hes reasonable smart.
thanks so much for posting this. ♾
No problem 😊
Only question I would ask is, who’s to say that putting things back together from where they came is the best thing to do? Having them interact with each other sure, but we never say that “now that all creatures have evolved from a single organism and reached differentiatable forms, we should work at combining them into one again” they interact and some benefit others while some are of detriment, but uniting them into one single organism doesn’t seem reasonable. That’s not to say that everything derived from what was initially seen as magic being reformed is a bad thing, but I just don’t see it as inherently good. Nor do i see the universe existing only in the physical plane as inherently bad, this is just our reaction to the idea when it is presented to us in the form that Alan Moore does
This was absolutely amazing right up until the moment some bloke revealed that Brontosauruses never existed, then all my dreams died.
Fear not, the Brontosaurus may be back. long after scientists decided the famed dinosaur never actually existed, there is new research that suggests it may have existed after all. :)
@@TransStates Thank you! So Bronto' is in a quantum superposition between "existed" and "didn't exist"... good enough! It exists in my dreams
Marshal Mcluhan described ‘tools’ as ‘action at a distance’. I think it is then arguable that language is just a tool, with the understanding that all technology could be described as magic to previous generations.
I think everything we've created is a tool to get out what has been inside of you all along, art and a brush or pen, music and a guitar just tools the music or art is in you
Technology is magic, its not that one generations magic is another generations tech, it never stops being magic, cell phones, computers , the harnessing of electricity, radio waves, all this shit is magic dont get it twisted. We live in a world of casted spells and alchemical Transmutations. We are just put under a spell when we are children that causes us to see it all as something else. When that spell is broken thats when awakening occurs and you can see how the magic works.
He watches peaky blinders
Great talk. Overuse of the rising inflection at the end of sentences is pretty jarring though.
I don't know what you're talking, aBOUT?
I wish he'd stop that, sounds like a 14 year old girl.
Saint Bukowski that might be his brummie accent.
It's part of his accent n dialect.
There are a few names for the time we live in. Some call it the age of the magician. Others the age of promitheus. Very material (satanic) magic of course. I have a feeling that this whole thing can flip upside down or inside out. At one point we have to reconnect with spirit again. Maybe we are all fueling an invicible momentum for a kind of positive reversal. I hope to see a balance between the material and spiritual aspects of the world.
Is that Lena from The Mask and the Mirror Interview asking the final question?
My theory is that at some distant point in the future...Mark Millar..Warren Ellis and Grant Morrison all fuse into a new Super being that then calls itself..Alan Moore.
I love Alan Moore but that famous story about tha Aztecs always makes me laugh - it's hard to believe they got as far as they did without developing a way to say the phrase: "What the fuck is that?"
"'The universities do not teach all things, so a doctor must seek out old wives, gypsies, sorcerers, wandering tribes, old robbers, and such outlaws and take lessons from them." - Paracelsus
The first to ask a question, doesn't she sound exactly like Kat Mckenna?
Love the video but somebody please turn his mic up since he keeps moving away from it
It cannot be done anymore, I'm afraid
The syntactical nature of reality, the real secret of magic, is that the world is made of words. And if you know the words that the world is made of, you can make of it whatever you wish.
Terence McKenna
Thank You for remind this quote !
Brontosaurus DID exist!
It had already previously been discovered and named Apatosaurus.
HOWEVER... new research around 2014 has proven that the specimen in question is in fact different from Apatosaurus, hence Brontosaurus DID exist and in fact there are now three types!
Thank fuck for that. Thank you! I was genuinely shattered for about ten minutes there.
What Alan Moore seems to be talking about here is "Verbal Language", but not Language in its entirety. In such, that which he conceives as having been prior to Language is also Language. The difference is that this isn't "Verbal Language"; it is Language in its entirety.
Now, as for why it is defined as Language, the answer is because of its general composite. Whatever it is that allows any perception of Reality, or that allows Reality to simply be, must have a specific structure. And for it to be perceived as Reality, or that which that is "real", meaning must be assigned to its structure. The result of this is a harmony of Syntax (structure) and Semantic (meaning). In other words, what we have is a Language. All of Reality is, in some sense, a Language (Logos).
Transformation is a large part of magic and shamanism. If this is so, then aren't comedians, who turn tragedy (over time) into comedy and make us laugh, in some sense shamans?
"It is hard work, and great art, to make life, not so serious." -John Irving (The Hotel New Hampshire)
Do the words give meaning to you? Or do you give meaning to the words?
Consciousness and Language | Psychology TodayAug 9, 2016 - If one conceives of consciousness as access to our thoughts for action and report-the so-called 'access consciousness' (Block, 1995)-then it is entirely unsurprising that language could be considered as a necessary condition for consciousness. But there are alternative ways of understanding language.
We are surended by what we can't see
Which we can't conceive, we can't adequately perceive...
Many of his ideas are paralleled Yuval Noah Harari’s Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind. In particular the advent of cooking and evolution of language as catalysts for the cognitive revolution.
personaly i think the idea that consciousness being a sum of certain biological traits is a wrong turn at the very start, consciousness in my opinion is micro and macrocosmic and our perception of that consciousness is just where were at. :) love alan more though maximum respect
Can someone who's well read with his work tell me where to start?
Don't know if I can claim to be well read, but I'll give you advice as best I can:
Doesn't matter too much, I think. You could just go chronologically. But I'm gonna go through the ones I've read in no particular order and share some of my thoughts.
I think V for Vendetta is a good starting point, since it's pretty down to Earth and also early in the chronology. There's a good chance it'll get you interested in anarchism, so if you wanna read up on that politics/philosophy, try An Anarchist FAQ (just google it, it's free to read online).
The Killing Joke could also easily be argued to be a good starting point, since it's very short and you're likely familiar with Batman and the Joker already. It's also, while being the best Batman comic I've ever read, arguably Moore's least impressive work, so it only gets better from there.
Marvelman (known as Miracleman in the US) is also a great one, and it's another early work. It's a continuation of an earlier, silly children's comic, and the first few pages are just a reprint of one of those silly stories. Just power through them and you'll get to an amazing story that's definitely the most psychedelic one out of the ones I'm mentioning here. For that reason, it may or may not be a good starting point, depending on how comfortable with such wacky things you are.
Watchmen is, of course, absolutely iconic, and for good reason. It is a very complex, non-linear, story, and not well-suited for casual reading on the side. But it's probably the most exciting ride and the hardest to stop reading halfway through.
Of course, those are just my opinions. If you start with, say, Watchmen, and you personally find it rather dull, don't let that dissuade you from giving the others a try.
Btw, this may depend on which country you're from, but I've been able to read all of these online for free by simply googling "Read [title] online". Also works for other comics and many non-comic novels. But like I said, that option may not be available in your country, you'll have to try it for yourself.
Also, some more of his works that I haven't yet read that sound very intriguing include Promethea, From Hell, and his non-comic novel Jerusalem, but especially with the latter it's probably good I'm saving it for last.
@@fartsofdoom6491 Thanks a lot for all of that advice, I've heard his written books like Jerusalem are amazing too :) cheers mate
Some of us are actually doing it Alan :) Art, Magic, Consciousness....
Idiot.
Fascinating furry fellow. Just had a strange whimsical thought: Can anyone photoshop the hair and beard out?
Blimey! That was good.
Putting back together Art, Science, Language and Consciousness into a new Form of Magic to transform collective Consciousness. Modern Art could Do it but it needs directl links to the real physical World, it needs to slip out of the Digital World into our experienced World, not only conceptual constructs. And a good Artwork needs time for contemplation to appear in our World, we channel but the "3d printing " needs time. If not the Artwork is just a dead object, no soul. Just another empty shell to buy
I really hope Alan would see my post but I think he is an "idealist" philosophically speaking, magic in politics in France is analyzed by the ecole of histoire politique, which implies social psychology, sociology to analyze the politics, Hume after dealing with empiricism, speaks about the color blue that we guess in between to colour light blue and dark blue which he doesn't explain rationnally, I think Moore speaks about the intuition in general. The concerns toward exactic and society seems like to refers to Rousseau (society is seen as a bad thing towards the individual) and also of Albert Camus in the absurdity of life, also we can see entelechies maybe in Aristotle philosophy and also of course Nietzsche in the Willpower also. Perspectivism and post structuralist philosophy is also a good thing to refer. I really like this "ontogenese" of Magic really greatful Alan Moore you're an amazing writer. Psychology is full of magic though!
Tesla invented the twentieth century in the mechanical sense. All aside, bravo Alan. 👍
See, I really like AM, but I'm suspicious of that first bit of information--the one about the Aztecs not being able to perceive the ships because they had no word for them. This is spoken about in What the Bleep Do We Know, and given how What the Bleep edited some of the scientific interviews in order to make the science *seem* to fit the proffered view, I'm skeptical about that info too. If it were provably true, it would be a good illustration of his point; but since it isn't, and really, seems quite far fetched, I question why he didn't go with a better example of consciousness preceding language. Surely there must be a better example; and if there isn't, should we really be that sure of it?
He adresses that in the Q&A. I'm skeptical also. The woman asking the question does a great job expressing the skepticism.
He does admit that it's speculation.
Consciousness means 'it's something like to be me'. You can destroy the part of the brain that is capable of language and consciousness persists. I agree, consciousness had to be first.
He never said it with any certainty as if it were a fact. He merely wondered and considered that the Aztecs have never seen a ship, had no word for ship and so therefore would have no idea what they were looking at. It would be like placing an iPad in front of man in 1600, no idea what they are perceiving.
_consciousness preceding language_ You want an example? Just observe a human baby.
Or use magnets to shut down the Default Mode Network. Or take a high dose of psylocibin. Or practice Hua'Tou.
He spoke without notes.
Not one mention of bob Davo!
oops , bailiffs at the door, not looking for me lol, but yeah broke my flow, follow this though . gentle noise becomes a hum , vocal chords develope to song , certain stones hit with sticks resonate like a gong . certain caves have accousics that deaden the sound. but a cave made from granite, they positively resound. jump forward to moses and egyptian pictorials make me a cuppa dfor the full tutorial. all the gods have a staff with a fork at the end and moses and aaron ? what did they have my friend ? a rod or a staff that defeats pharoahs snakes ? look at a soundwave , what shape does it make, and the tribe of Dan ? why do they get to lead, cos when they lined all the staffs up god gave theirs leaves. almond blossom , the first sign of spring . now mr wizard heres a marvelous thing , the staff puts out almonds, bitter and sweet the bitter ones will kill you , the sweet you can eat, and the name for almonds the greeks used to use amygdala they called them quite easily confused , with the part of the brain which designed to feel threat, the warning system at the top of the neck, when you first percieve something before a decision is made, this bit screams 'WATCH OUT !!' and the adrenal gland engaged, .....now this part of the brain has a particular shape , can you guess what that is yet ? ( oh and as an aside , the dudes prior to this in Sumarian relief carvings with the handbag and pine cone ? it isnt , its a shell . ;) ) pop quiz for anyone whos reading , what and where did i find this repetitive palindromic number 1361631991361631991361639....... etc. for a good explanation of the neural technicalities and evolutionary psychology of the amygdala you can find a good clip by a fellow Northamptonian @MarkBowden . he got educated here and learned about , it i got edgy from caning and live with it. same schools same teachers different outcomes, he lives in canada, i live in fear, he found his place in the world , my fate found me here. . ruclips.net/video/rk_SMBIW1mg/видео.html thats him . this is me, ruclips.net/video/T7gv4EOIJO8/видео.html . see you around x
The original component of magic is the shaman - the open mind able to accept the deluge and translate it into thought.
How to create the shaman? By the time a child is born into this society it is too late, the iron sky is closed.
The way becomes clear to the seeker of truth.
The shaman, indeed, created the very lit cave where we live. There are skeletons at the outskirts of the stone songs.
What does he say when he says
“psychiatry yeah, that’s .......... in a lab coat?”
I either can’t understand or don’t know what the word is.
Please help
occultism :)
thank you
occultism
whoops too late. ah well, back to dragon girl porn
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Alan raised some very interesting points here, all without notes. Regarding one point, if we’re truly unable to perceive what we don’t understand, then movies wouldn’t work. I’ve seen giant spiders and I was able to comprehend them. Being mistaken isn’t the same as being incapable of processing what you’ve seen because it’s beyond you.
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Paleolithic people have magic but its all bodily aka "tantric", its not maybe as conceptual
That is the break
From affect to concept
From analogical to symbolical
From sound to language
From feeling to thinking
'...perhaps some alpha male or other...but perhaps not terribly bright...' human social history summed up.
John the Baptist has let himself go
Yes, but he hasnt lost his head.
Living Saint
I like that dreadlock man simply let Moore speak, but the way he just stares blankly out at the crowd is... unsettling.
Dog and spiders, around the 47 minutes mark, "what would they see?" ruclips.net/video/YoB8t0B4jx4/видео.html
Genius!
The word
Now in 2020 there are fewer and fewer jobs, as Alan predicted. Whot koind uv worruld our we going to develorp, with more time on owr hannds, one with moore ecstasy??
Common ground. Bliss