i think hybrids are fine if you can keep them correctly and your not forcing them to breed they just naturally want to do it then i think that's normal enough
I’m just commenting on 1&2. I agree. My son’s monitor pounced at the side of the enclosure towards me eating and my dogs jumped to my defence. I had to get help to put the dogs out. And they didn’t calm down til I left the room. The mangrove monitor never did that before!
I disagree with the logic behind animals not feeling affection. Saying they don't feel affection because they lack the part of the brain that HUMANS use to feel affection doesn't make sense to me. I'm not saying they do or do not, I just think its unfair to outright say that they don't, they could very well feel different emotions through different mechanisms that we are not aware of yet. Why would a completely different species have to rely on the same part of the brain that humans do?
i agree over all they probably don't feel affection" i also never have seen the evidence'' but they also seem capable of trust and trust definitely is a part of affection for simple minded animals what else are you gonna expect
@@willexotic that’s a good point. I also think that may be more related to survival rather than emotions (I.e, there’s a lot of cannibalism in the wild so they avoid other animals, we are big and look like predators so they try to avoid us). It would be interested to see how these animals would behave around us if they are captive bred for 20 + generations
totally agree , the corn and ball market is really all about morphs. But the kings have huge variety of localities. Kings got some interesting tempers too
Also the corn snake market is turning into another ball python market. too many, only care about morphs, and it gives new people an idea that snake care is simple.(which leads to improper care and adoption snakes).
I couldn't agree more about the whole "rehoming" thing. These are living things, not pokemon cards to be traded or sold once you are bored with your animal
The only way I would support a permitting process is if it was 100% free. The government looks at permits the same way they do all taxes, as another way to line their pockets. The second money changes hands it's no longer about the animals' welfare, it is all about how much money they can take you for. Lets also not forget, as Florida has proven in the last 5 years, it doesn't mean anything if they can just rescind the permits by changing the laws every year. One year you're 100% legal and the next Florida FWC is breaking down your door to "inhumanely" kill your beloved family pet of the last 10 years.
As someone whos worked with them for a long time....savannah monitors are the most expensive "cheaper monitor" out there. Trust me you are going to put the same amount of money into their care as a black throat monitor....theor care is bonkers
@willexotic sooo many bugs 😅😮💨. Also deep substrate is something that I don't see really anyone do for em...insane Temps it's just crazy. Ngl I am glad I no longer keep em...quince monitor for the win
While I agree that handling is for human and not for the reptile we keep and that unless your reptiles need to free roam zero handling is probably better for the animals, Even assuming they do feel affection (which I believe they do) and even if we assuming they feel affection toward keeper(which I believe they don’t) even with those two I still don’t think they like being picked up and restrained even animals we know love us like dogs hate being restrained. I wouldn’t be dismissing reptiles ability to feel “affection”, as Archosaurs can be affectionate Crocs and Birds also share mostly the same brain structure and affection but display vey convincing evidence for affection (At least I believe crocs doe others may disagree, but with birds it is undeniable), Crocodilians don’t have a pineal glands however they still can synthesize melatonin (at least it is proven C.johnsoni can) I am assuming the part of the brain you were referring to us Prefrontal cortex, Some animals that show affection such as Birds and Crocodilians being reptiles also lack this part of brain however birds are proven to have a analogous structure and other reptiles have another analogous structure to it as well, Personally I would look toward the behavior itself before concluding anything just based on anatomy as reptiles cognition research are scarce, personally I am convinced that at least certain non-avian reptiles do feel affection such as Gekko petricola they may no expressing it the same ways mammals do but I believe their aggregation to be social and affectionate in nature, Of course I wouldn’t be quick to say they certainly do feel affection either but if I ever have a chance to keep them I would prefer a group rather than a single animal.
I completely disagree with zero handling as best for the animal. The animal is best when it has no fears. The initial stress of being handled is worth it compared to the longterm benefit of an animal that can live without fearing you or your hand, etc.
@@lildragon0 I should have made it clear, Handling I am referring to is when animals is picked up and put in situation where they are unable to retreat, Touching and other form of exposure is not necessarily a "handling" in my opinion, Desensitization to touch and exposure can be done gradually and slowly to the point where the stress level is no different from normal exposure from maintenance and after the animals lose their fear then training and conditioning can take places station training and desensitization to touch is already enough for weight and examination without the animals having to be handled, Only case where animal have to get used to being handled is if the owner put then in unpredictable environment that they may have to pick up the animal and move them away from danger (or something they may be a danger too) and the only case I can think of that is in case of free roaming, Maybe there are some cases or situation that I overlooked but so far all the situation I can think of, as far as the animal well being is concerned no handling or restraint seems to be the better way.
@@siradanaikrobthong3003Handling is definitely not the right term for what you're describing. You also said "restraining" and that would be a better word. If your goal is to get the animal to trust you and overcome fear, then you want to avoid restraining the animal as much as possible.
My hot take: most animal content creators with large followings only aid in the spread of fear and misinformation because they want to get more likes & views. The quality of care that they provide to their animals usually degrades the larger their following gets. Brian Barzcyk and Jayprehistoricpets come to mind.
Tell me your real thoughts on breeding SCALELESS SNAKES man!!! I think it's lame as hell... Lemme tell you, if you ask me I'll tell you my hot thoughts on that lol
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i think hybrids are fine if you can keep them correctly and your not forcing them to breed they just naturally want to do it then i think that's normal enough
Thanks for using my take! Interesting views and discussion points- earned my sub as far as I’m concerned lol
i appreciate it!! thanks for joining in!
Oso would miss you double.
he will always be w me
I’m just commenting on 1&2. I agree. My son’s monitor pounced at the side of the enclosure towards me eating and my dogs jumped to my defence. I had to get help to put the dogs out. And they didn’t calm down til I left the room. The mangrove monitor never did that before!
Gotta be careful!
I disagree with the logic behind animals not feeling affection. Saying they don't feel affection because they lack the part of the brain that HUMANS use to feel affection doesn't make sense to me. I'm not saying they do or do not, I just think its unfair to outright say that they don't, they could very well feel different emotions through different mechanisms that we are not aware of yet. Why would a completely different species have to rely on the same part of the brain that humans do?
i agree over all they probably don't feel affection" i also never have seen the evidence'' but they also seem capable of trust and trust definitely is a part of affection for simple minded animals what else are you gonna expect
I think it also has alot to do with the social aspect that we can see. the vast majority preferring solidarity, but that is a good point
@@willexotic that’s a good point. I also think that may be more related to survival rather than emotions (I.e, there’s a lot of cannibalism in the wild so they avoid other animals, we are big and look like predators so they try to avoid us). It would be interested to see how these animals would behave around us if they are captive bred for 20 + generations
@@ravishingreptiles why don’t you stop trying to sound smart and reply to my text?
my hot take: king snakes >>> ball pythons & cornsnakes
totally agree , the corn and ball market is really all about morphs. But the kings have huge variety of localities. Kings got some interesting tempers too
i agree with you 10000%, although corn and rat snakes are awesome imo
Great videos
thanks man!
Also the corn snake market is turning into another ball python market. too many, only care about morphs, and it gives new people an idea that snake care is simple.(which leads to improper care and adoption snakes).
sadly so.
The weird take about tease feeding snakes and feeding bins was DUMPSTER FIRE OF A TAKE 🔥🔥🔥
i'm sayin
I couldn't agree more about the whole "rehoming" thing. These are living things, not pokemon cards to be traded or sold once you are bored with your animal
PREACH DADDY RAVISHING
The only way I would support a permitting process is if it was 100% free. The government looks at permits the same way they do all taxes, as another way to line their pockets. The second money changes hands it's no longer about the animals' welfare, it is all about how much money they can take you for.
Lets also not forget, as Florida has proven in the last 5 years, it doesn't mean anything if they can just rescind the permits by changing the laws every year. One year you're 100% legal and the next Florida FWC is breaking down your door to "inhumanely" kill your beloved family pet of the last 10 years.
i agree fully.
As someone whos worked with them for a long time....savannah monitors are the most expensive "cheaper monitor" out there. Trust me you are going to put the same amount of money into their care as a black throat monitor....theor care is bonkers
it really is. soooo many bugs
@willexotic sooo many bugs 😅😮💨. Also deep substrate is something that I don't see really anyone do for em...insane Temps it's just crazy. Ngl I am glad I no longer keep em...quince monitor for the win
While I agree that handling is for human and not for the reptile we keep and that unless your reptiles need to free roam zero handling is probably better for the animals,
Even assuming they do feel affection (which I believe they do) and even if we assuming they feel affection toward keeper(which I believe they don’t) even with those two I still don’t think they like being picked up and restrained even animals we know love us like dogs hate being restrained.
I wouldn’t be dismissing reptiles ability to feel “affection”, as Archosaurs can be affectionate Crocs and Birds also share mostly the same brain structure and affection but display vey convincing evidence for affection (At least I believe crocs doe others may disagree, but with birds it is undeniable),
Crocodilians don’t have a pineal glands however they still can synthesize melatonin (at least it is proven C.johnsoni can)
I am assuming the part of the brain you were referring to us Prefrontal cortex, Some animals that show affection such as Birds and Crocodilians being reptiles also lack this part of brain however birds are proven to have a analogous structure and other reptiles have another analogous structure to it as well,
Personally I would look toward the behavior itself before concluding anything just based on anatomy as reptiles cognition research are scarce,
personally I am convinced that at least certain non-avian reptiles do feel affection such as Gekko petricola they may no expressing it the same ways mammals do but I believe their aggregation to be social and affectionate in nature,
Of course I wouldn’t be quick to say they certainly do feel affection either but if I ever have a chance to keep them I would prefer a group rather than a single animal.
I completely disagree with zero handling as best for the animal.
The animal is best when it has no fears. The initial stress of being handled is worth it compared to the longterm benefit of an animal that can live without fearing you or your hand, etc.
@@lildragon0 I should have made it clear, Handling I am referring to is when animals is picked up and put in situation where they are unable to retreat,
Touching and other form of exposure is not necessarily a "handling" in my opinion, Desensitization to touch and exposure can be done gradually and slowly to the point where the stress level is no different from normal exposure from maintenance
and after the animals lose their fear then training and conditioning can take places station training and desensitization to touch is already enough for weight and examination without the animals having to be handled,
Only case where animal have to get used to being handled is if the owner put then in unpredictable environment that they may have to pick up the animal and move them away from danger (or something they may be a danger too) and the only case I can think of that is in case of free roaming,
Maybe there are some cases or situation that I overlooked but so far all the situation I can think of,
as far as the animal well being is concerned no handling or restraint seems to be the better way.
@@siradanaikrobthong3003Handling is definitely not the right term for what you're describing. You also said "restraining" and that would be a better word.
If your goal is to get the animal to trust you and overcome fear, then you want to avoid restraining the animal as much as possible.
as long as it provides no stress
My hot take: most animal content creators with large followings only aid in the spread of fear and misinformation because they want to get more likes & views. The quality of care that they provide to their animals usually degrades the larger their following gets. Brian Barzcyk and Jayprehistoricpets come to mind.
alot of people unfortunately only do it for views and will mistreat animals. sad.
My hot take is venomous snakes shouldn't be at reptile expos on open stalls. They need special areas where children aren't allowed.
I think that’s a solid point tbh
Training and bonding but not tame 💯
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Tell me your real thoughts on breeding SCALELESS SNAKES man!!! I think it's lame as hell... Lemme tell you, if you ask me I'll tell you my hot thoughts on that lol
Not even a hot take. Completely valid. Scaleless shouldn’t be bred at all, especially with lizards
i agree
i think it's stupid lol
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