I would say it's pretty accurate, because the movie came out in 1961, so the dresses were fitted but contained the looser waistline that was popular in the 60s. She also had that fancy cigarette holder that could be seen used in the early 60s. Her hair though isn't accurate with the egirl style but was correct in that it predicted the 60s trend of the dark and light dyed hair (though i can be wrong but I see influences of Cruella style in style icon and Warhol superstar, Edie Sedgwick).
I may be wrong, but didn't Melanie Martinez sort of start that trend? On the Voice in 2012, she said that her hair was directly inspired by Cruella de Ville, so technically, Cruella de Ville was responsible in starting the trend.
I guess the reason most of the costumes lack of embellishment or patterns is for the sake of animators. It would take so many more hours to animate a pinstripe suit or jewelry on a moving character
Frollo is the scariest villain because he strongly believes that he isnt the villain and that what he is doing is good. The worst part is, there are really people like him in real life. He's also supposed to be a religious person who many people go to to ask for help and advice, yet he turned out to be biased amd hypocritical. Its realistic, which makes him all the more scary.
The reason why people enjoy Villians the most is because they are often the ones who push the story along via action. Main character often go along with the world and things just HAPPEN to them. Great stories are able to balance an interesting protagonist and interesting villain.
and then if you watch the stage musical where he returns to being an archdeacon, he is made even more complex and even more frightening. He really is the best villain because he is complex and realistic, and that is why he is so scary.
Frollo was always the scariest villain for me cuz like, damn, he’s, for lack of a better word, the most realistic (?) and horrible - he’s lustful, powerful, corrupt, racist, xenophobic, and just down right murderous
@@laurenhohnholt7337 Hellfire is one of my favourite songs actually haha. The whole Hunchback of Notre Dame soundtrack (and kinda the whole movie too) is underrated.
@@mariacaavendano6675 lol both of those villains are from fantasy realms, and also very not human. Ursula is an octopus/mermaid/something and scar is a literal lion, so they obviously don’t have clothes to critique
@@kaykeunil "Lions in this particular time period wore their manes with a side parting located near the ear. You can't see this anywhere on Scar at all, so I'm going to have to give him a 3/10. The three is for having the correct fur consistency, although coats of that colour weren't popular at the time."
Its true that miceneic greeks didnt really make a lot of art of their gods, most of their sculptures were kuros or kores which were mostly generic depictions of men and women respectively, the men were always naked (this is the ideal beauty standard for greeks) as for the classical period, male gods were eventually also depicted as naked almost always so i think i speak for the majority when i say we deserve a hot naked hades
kouri and kores were mainly from the archaic period onwards though. the mycenean/minoan/cycladic civilizations (which all were considered prehistoric and are before the archaic period) didn't have big statues. but sure, if it was placed in classical period Athens, it would make a lot of sense.
@@Raphael3032 actually, phonetically it's pronounced 'kouri'. greek people tend to write in english as they write in greek. the word in greek is spelled κούροι, where the combination of o and ι make an ee sound. that's the only reason why it's sometimes written like that (and of course it's not pronounced kour-o-i). also kouri is plural, and kouros is singular.
@@BuddingOrchid i honestoy don't know why i grouped the mycenean and minioan with archaic period, youre right about them lacking big sculptures, i also called them kuros because my art history course was in spanish, but thank you for clearing everything up!
okay but the thing about big noses really annoys me bc literally everyone in my family has big noses(were greek) and yet i hated my nose for years bc of shit like those disney movies. it sticks with you whether you realise it or not and i hate it
I totally agree! But I will say it bugs me so much when people say that being Greek is synonymous with having a larger nose... my family and many other Greeks I know don’t have this feature. People try to alienate us because of this stereotype bullshit (particularly non Greeks) when we are just as Greek. What I am getting at is that Greeks have so many diverse physical characteristics and I’m not a fan people defining us to a limited number of physical characteristics...
@@Langwidere903 Although they're not Jewish just because they are villains or have big noses. They ain't Jewish if they ain't confirmed to be Jewish. Plus most of these companies have Jewish employees. I can see why some might find that problematic, but the thing is there's no proof that they're Jews. Gothel was based on Cher, who isn't a Jew (she's Albanian, so is it now "Albanophobic"?). Also, these movies have Hebrew dubs, so clearly not every Jew thinks big noses on characters are a problem.
@@finland4ever55 its not the fact that the villains are Jewish bc they're not as you said. Its the fact that the big nose characteristic always present on villains is recognised as a trait commonly found on Jewish people and as a result of it being on villains in movies like Disney's it is seen as a bad trait and villainised. The fact that Hebrew dubs exist says nothing about the audience of the movies but it says that the company made an executive decision to widen their audience as much as possible to have the chance generate more revenue. This decision was probably made not specifically about Hebrew dubs but about dubs in foreign languages in general as English speaking audiences only make up a small part of the worlds population
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Omg after you pointed out the nose thing for the villains, I can’t see anything else. That’s such a sneaky way to push a certain narrative around certain physical features.
@Armo Moose It’s not about whether or not it’s true, it’s about a feature that is associated with Ashkenazi Jews. I am Jewish and do not have this nose, but the conceptual idea of Jews having those physical features is extremely pervasive and this reinforces it while also framing them as ugly and evil.
@Armo Moose i'm pretty sure what the dude in the tiktok is saying is that the big nose villain started as a Jewish stereotype and then people kept copying the design trough the decades as a signifier of evil whether meaning to stereotype Jews or not. Basically companies don't care what the stereotype means meanwhile it's recognizable as evil it doesn't matter.
@Pareidolia Many do care actually. I don't know how you got to that conclusion, maybe you should take some of your own advice and not speak for minorities.
Wanted to say this on your princess series, but the reason characters had simple costumes with minimal to no prints and embellishments was because they would make the garments extremely difficult to animate at different angles and in motion. Especially by hand. Love your content btw.
exactly what I was thinking ! They couldn't draw 10 millions pictures with all these prints and lace and ornaments. It's better if she mentions it. Coz I don't think Disney made such big stupid mistakes by not having any costume designer to sit with them.
Since you're a fashion master, I would love to see a video that's "a list of 'outdated' fashions that should be popular again" or "a list of basics everyone should have in their wardrobe."
lindsey ellis did a deep dive into the history of the huntchback of notre dame and it wasn't actually Disney that originally changed frollo's job title but I'm sure there's a reason they didn't change it back
@@charlottecomeau1266 ya and i think in lindsey's vid she says tht the Disney movie is more of a remake of a very popular movie version of huntchback, since a lot of the stuff tht was cut out/changed from the movie was also cut out/changed in the Disney version and it kinda does make sense i mean in our modern western cultural a judge/person in government has more power than someone in the church
Remember, If you do Mother Gothel you need to keep in mind that her clothing is supposed to look outdated to hint at her true age (Edit) Peter Pan takes place in 1909 because in Peter Pan 2 Wendys husband is seen returning from World War 2
One thing that is plausible is that Dr Facilier's design was heavily inspired by Baron Samedi, a sort of deity(?) associated with voodoo. His signature look is a tailcoat suit, top hat, cane, and skull themes (either a straight up skull head or skull patterned facepaint). His color scheme is also, you guessed it, black, white and purple.
Maybe a small fun fact: Disney allegedly was inspired by the statue of a woman in my hometown to create the face of the Evil Queen. The woman is called Uta von Naumburg. She, her husband and many others gave money to build a cathedral there. After the cathedral was finished, statues were built to honor this group of people. Uta's statue indeed has a cold look and, most famously, a high collar. Legend has it she was very unhappy in her marriage, therefore the artist wanted to portray her that way.
I'm gonna say that the reason Hook's shirt is pink is that he's bad at laundry and just threw in the white shirt with his red jacket and breeches. Always separate whites and reds children!
Fun fact from my art history professor, the evil queen from snow white is actually based on a statue in the Naumburg Cathedral depicting one of it's patrons, Uta von Ballenstedt. What's interesting about this is that the patrons were depicted in fashions that were modern to the time they were created, not really accurate to the time the patrons were alive, so the style we see on the statue is probably something she didn't actually wear in her lifetime.
Medieval Art Historian here: The Evil Queen was most likely partially based on the donor portrait of Uta von Ballenstadt (c. 1000-1046) of the Naumburg Cathedral from the 13th century, and they do in fact contain many similarities in style!
I think you're right! I wasn't paying too much attention because I know Hook is definitely not from the 1900s and the movie was released in 1953. But Return to Neverland (the sequel) takes place in 1940, which makes me think that Peter Pan is set in the 1910s (though if that's the case, Mrs. Darling could look a little more historically accurate ;D)
@@gremlita Yeah, I wish there was even more time and budget for these older hand-drawn films (or even for Princess and the Frog) cause then we could get more details in the clothing, especially for Dr. Faucilier's pin striped pants...those would have looked so good! Also I love your videos, I always look forward to the next one!
I just wanted to point out that dr. Facilier is a voodoo doctor, so I think the little feature like the tooth necklace should also be looked at for accuracy. Such as traditional voodoo or black Magic accessories in New Orleans. New Orleans has a large African descent population and many practiced black magic so it is important to take that into account.
Re Dr Facilier, I think the lack of dress shirt baring midrif is queer coding (which disney loves lmao), whereas the standard shirt with no waistcoat wouldn't have that same othering effect
not 100% sure if it's queer coding. He's dressed almost exactly the same as Baron Samedi in Sugar Hill, which is a classic blaxploitation movie. Seems more likely they'd draw inspiration from that character
Im not normally into this kind of stuff, but you're so knowledgeable about something Ive never even thought about. I watched the princess dresses videos and you're really cool.
Honestly I don't even really care about disney movies but these videos are so interesting! I think the part calling out disney anti-semitism was very important, kudos for that.
Could you do a video on the costumes in Death Becomes Her? The costumes in my opinion are so beautiful and also quite symbolic in the repetitive colour schemes (Madeline being in blues and white and Helen being in reds). Would love for you to look at the costumes!
I always have seen turn of the century cartoons as examples of antisemitic depictions, never have I been pointed at the obvious that Near Easter/Middle Eastern ethnic feature are still often chosen for villainous characters because ahhhh antisemitism. It’s so disappointing how society hasn’t evolved. People just went back to subliminal antisemitism
YES AGREED-being Jewish it is so frustrating that antisemitism is like never talked about??? Like it’s just a softened up offensive thing that is made fun of all the time so one really cares for and it’s like we don’t matter as much just cause we “blend in” but we are like the black people of religion if that makes any sense.
The awful part is that the these features are so established as villainous that people draw villains with these features not even realizing where it comes from and keep prepetuating them unconsciously
Hey I was wondering if you could do the outfits for the Barbie movies, specifically the historical based/fairytale ones (and excluding the fantasy and modern ones)? A couple of them are a bit vague in time period like Diamond Castle, Island Princess, or Magic of Pegasus but it would totally be amazing!
@@finland4ever55 How can Pegasus be placed in the Netherlands? Their castle is literally built in a canyon-like thing and they are on a mountain passage when they find the cave. There are no mountains like that in the Netherlands. I'm not trying to attack you, but this doesn't make any sense geographically :)
I loved this video so much and I can't wait for the rest of the series! As a Jewish lady, I also appreciate that you referenced the Jewish tropes in Disney villains! Lets also discuss how many villains are coded to be disabled and this is framed negatively.
The nose thing had literally the opposite effect on me. Instead of viewing people with bigger, hooked noses as villains, I saw them as strong and resilient. Idk, just thought that was weird.
Frollo was actually changed to a judge by victor Hugo for the stage adaptation, so this wasn't disneys decision, he's been a judge since almost the very beginning. Love your videos, since you're in Newyork you and bernadette banner should totally crossover
Loved this video, but Disney’s Peter Pan takes place in the Edwardian era, you can tell based on Mr. and Mrs. Darlings clothing, and even Mrs. Darlings hair is super accurate to Edwardian hair.
Sure, but that doesn’t mean Hook was from the Edwardian era too! Time moves differently in neverland and it sounds like he’d been there for a little bit.
A video analysis of the costumes in Too Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything, Julie Newmar? Would be interesting to hear a analysis looking at how the trio (Vida; Noxeema and Chi Chi,) show their personalities and distinctive drag persona.
Mina: talks about how Disney villains have a consistent red/purple/black color scheme Me, currently wearing red purple and black, my three favorite colors: 😳 (Honestly the villains always look cooler anyways tho)
I think one thing that could’ve improved your critique of Facilier would be to look at the historical dress of Vodun practitioners. Just to round it off.
yeah, even those portrayed in media. I watched Sugar Hill a year ago and immediately noticed that Baron Samedi in that movie is dressed almost exactly the same as Dr. Facilier
I love Frollo's song about wanting Esmeralda to be 'his and his alone'. It does such a great job at showing his hypocrisy, it shows us how he believes he has the moral high ground ('you know I'm so much purer than...'), but he is actually a dirtbag. It also makes him very much like real life 'villains' that hide behind religion. And I think it's the only scene in a Disney movie in which this form of sexism/misogyny is shown (including victim blaming: 'I'm not to blame, it is the gypsy girl') and properly depicted as evil.
Perfectly said. I love how they subtly but also explicitly, in a sense, show the hypocrisy of 'religious' leaders. They may look "godly" but the way they live says something else.
Doing my lit degree, we just did Peter Pan and apparently the novel highly described Captain Hooks' clothing as resembling of Charles the 2nd as he's supposed to symbolise power and education the upper classes enjoyed (apparently Captain Hooks was an Eton boy!) Perhaps this could have influence on his costume in the film too !!✨✨
Fun fact: the reason we don’t have images of Mycenaean hades is because he likely didn’t exist at this time at all. Poseidon was largely considered to be associated with the underworld due to his earthquakes
Disney should make more princesses wearing black, red, brown, navy blue since all princesses are wearing bright saturated gowns and leave the darker colors for the villains it would be interesting and refreshing to see how the color of your wardrobe doesn't necessarily reflect your personality as for a princess can wear black and still be joyful and happy
You talking abt Minoans and the Mycenaean civilization is insane to me I’m literally from the area they existed in and my house is 5 minutes from the ruins of Knossos 🤣
i really like the idea of hook adopting different items of clothing every time he leaves neverland or every time someone comes to neverland and brings different clothes... tbh i wish i had half of that mans dress sense lmao
I was looking to sew if someone said this! He's believed to be an offshoot of mycanean Poseidon. One evidence of this is the story of hades and persephone, where it was Poseidon and Persephone in Mycenean tales
a cool headcanon/in-universe explanation for Hook's costuming is that Peter Pan and The Lost Boys STOLE all of Hook's bling and, in paranoia, he took to wearing his fanciest regalia on a daily basis to prevent THEM being stolen too. The lilac shirt, similarly, could be passed off as a prank played on him, Peter staining the pirates' laundry with beetroot or mollusks, or simply an unfortunate relic of the pirates first attempts at laundering in Neverland (as opposed to hiring washerwomen at port). For The Evil Queen, her design reminds me of Mother Gothel: deliberate historic inaccuracy to evoke a sense of witches being much older than they appear. Prior to her being widowed, the Evil Queen likely conformed with contemporary fashions but discarded them during her coup.
"The people performing these amputations were cooks, not surgeons" Let's be honest, even if they'd had proper surgeons on board, they wouldn't have stood that better of a chance at surviving.
For the Evil queen the dress is fitted to her body and the largest cape because vain of course. Most of the disney fashion are inspired by the when the movie came and not of the time in the actual movie
thank you so much for pointing out the antisemitism in popular media such as disney film depictions, its very important that it’s acknowledged and denormalized.
Family guy pokes fun of that fact. That’s actually how I trust realized this. In an episode they go Disney style and everyone is singing and happy. Then one of their Jewish characters appears and they all get angry and point him out and kill him. That clicked in me and I was like “wait? Does Disney “not like Jewish people” and then I saw the similarities in their villains
Okay but if there ever was a pirate who would wear highly impractical clothing, it *would* be Captain Hook... and he sure looks fabulous even without an array of jewels
Between slashing, epaulets, trench coats, and camo, there's so many trends that came from militaries over the years. I think this could be a great subject for a video! Also examining the idea of romanticizing warfare by making aspects of the uniform trendy.
“Hellfire” is and will forever be the most evil and most epic Disney villain song. It’s the perfect villain song with the perfect Disney villain. It’s real and honest in portraying true human evil, and our capacity for evil and good. This is a concept that children should be privy to, and it is excellent that Disney went there with Frollo.
Actually, fun fact, as of now we haven't found any mention of Hades in Linear B. He could have existed my Mycenaean Greece, but he also could have just not. A fun video that explains this is Overly Sarcastic Productions video on Hades and Persephone, just so you know I'm not pulling this out of thing air.
Ok, but I'm loving the way you're including more and more detail and research into these videos. I must take sure long to research all of this, but I really appreciate it and love you videos!
If you ever do accuracy ratings for live action films I’d love to see one for Ever After with Drew Barrymore, I love the costumes but don’t know how accurate they are and haven’t found any videos on it
I always thought Frollo was some sort of priest as a kid, I didn’t realize he wasn’t until you said it, tbh tho I didn’t really like that movie because Frollo scared me haha
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Hey Mina, can you do historical accuracy for ride villains from disney parks around the world???
Just a suggestion😊😊😊
My favorite villain is Dr. Facile, who is yours? Also I love your channel and enduring you stand for and speak against and for us inspiring!
Cruella de ville's fit SLAPPED, cant speak on historical accuracy, but she predicted the e-girl split hair sooo
honestly a trendsetter
I would say it's pretty accurate, because the movie came out in 1961, so the dresses were fitted but contained the looser waistline that was popular in the 60s. She also had that fancy cigarette holder that could be seen used in the early 60s. Her hair though isn't accurate with the egirl style but was correct in that it predicted the 60s trend of the dark and light dyed hair (though i can be wrong but I see influences of Cruella style in style icon and Warhol superstar, Edie Sedgwick).
@@idontwanttoexist7838 doesn’t it take place in the 40s?
@@averymarcellus4048 isnt her car from the 1920s
I may be wrong, but didn't Melanie Martinez sort of start that trend? On the Voice in 2012, she said that her hair was directly inspired by Cruella de Ville, so technically, Cruella de Ville was responsible in starting the trend.
I guess the reason most of the costumes lack of embellishment or patterns is for the sake of animators. It would take so many more hours to animate a pinstripe suit or jewelry on a moving character
And sorry I forgot to say thank you for the video, very well documented with painting and references !!
I was going to comment the same thing.
Oh God I can't IMAGINE, animating normal pattern clothes is hard enough, but THOSE patterns??? Nah.
Yeah i thought the same. Live action and animation costume design must be wholly different in that regard
This is why Jasmine and Cinderella don’t have ears. 🤫
Frollo is the scariest villain because he strongly believes that he isnt the villain and that what he is doing is good. The worst part is, there are really people like him in real life. He's also supposed to be a religious person who many people go to to ask for help and advice, yet he turned out to be biased amd hypocritical. Its realistic, which makes him all the more scary.
Actually, he believes until Infernal. This song was the moment the movie show us that he knew what he will do was bad, but didn’t care
@@MMM-mt6me either way, it’s scary
Cruella too, there are many animals being abusers
the whole thing is still pretyy scary tbh
Wait till you watch anime
Let’s be real here. The Disney villains are the best part of the early movies. Like the Evil queen and Maleficent are iconic
Let’s be real here. VILLAINS are the best part of any franchise
The reason why people enjoy Villians the most is because they are often the ones who push the story along via action. Main character often go along with the world and things just HAPPEN to them. Great stories are able to balance an interesting protagonist and interesting villain.
@@RomanZolanski123 Wen villain as mc exist....
Yes. Very interested to see maleficent and maybe cruella?(not sure how to spell her name). I think cruella dville has such spectacular style
Not to mention the villains always have the best songs too
Frollo is one of the scariest disney villains because there are actually people like him out there.
She’s like the Dolores Umbridge of Disney villains
and then if you watch the stage musical where he returns to being an archdeacon, he is made even more complex and even more frightening. He really is the best villain because he is complex and realistic, and that is why he is so scary.
Another thing that makes him so terrifying is that he *truly* believes that he's a good person, and he *truly* believes he's doing the right thing.
@@AshleyLBH I don’t think she is very scary, she is kinda ridiculous although kinda real and very hateful
This and Gaston!
disney villain outfits MAY not have been the most historically accurate, but i gotta hand it to em, they were STYLINGGGGG
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Frollo was always the scariest villain for me cuz like, damn, he’s, for lack of a better word, the most realistic (?) and horrible - he’s lustful, powerful, corrupt, racist, xenophobic, and just down right murderous
You basically just described Donald Trump 🤔
@@jessicasantos1017 so accurate
So true and even though the song Hellfire is actually terrifying, it is a GREAT song
@@laurenhohnholt7337 Hellfire is one of my favourite songs actually haha. The whole Hunchback of Notre Dame soundtrack (and kinda the whole movie too) is underrated.
What’s xenophobic?
I kinda figured captain hooks pink shirt could maybe be attributed to washing his clothes with his shirt lol
I didn't even think of that until you said something! That honestly makes more sense than just choosing to wear it.
Disney loves queercoding its villians so I thought that might come into it too
yeah i thought it was supposed to be a "haha gay man wears pink shirt"
@@amylicciardello9027 yeah that’s probably the actual reason but I think it’s funnier and more in character to think Hook just can’t do laundry lol
@@zazhands8866 probably, a lot of older villains were queercoded
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Haha lmao, that's how I felt too
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@@Spankington beautiful doves do though
@@chasedelaney nah
My dumb self: I hope she does Ursula and Scar!
Me half a second later: wait a minute...
same! 😅
I don’t understand 👉👈
@@mariacaavendano6675 lol both of those villains are from fantasy realms, and also very not human. Ursula is an octopus/mermaid/something and scar is a literal lion, so they obviously don’t have clothes to critique
@@kaykeunil aaaaah, okay jaja thanks yeah
@@kaykeunil "Lions in this particular time period wore their manes with a side parting located near the ear. You can't see this anywhere on Scar at all, so I'm going to have to give him a 3/10. The three is for having the correct fur consistency, although coats of that colour weren't popular at the time."
Its true that miceneic greeks didnt really make a lot of art of their gods, most of their sculptures were kuros or kores which were mostly generic depictions of men and women respectively, the men were always naked (this is the ideal beauty standard for greeks) as for the classical period, male gods were eventually also depicted as naked almost always so i think i speak for the majority when i say we deserve a hot naked hades
Oh yes👀
kouri and kores were mainly from the archaic period onwards though. the mycenean/minoan/cycladic civilizations (which all were considered prehistoric and are before the archaic period) didn't have big statues. but sure, if it was placed in classical period Athens, it would make a lot of sense.
Kouroi*
@@Raphael3032 actually, phonetically it's pronounced 'kouri'. greek people tend to write in english as they write in greek. the word in greek is spelled κούροι, where the combination of o and ι make an ee sound. that's the only reason why it's sometimes written like that (and of course it's not pronounced kour-o-i). also kouri is plural, and kouros is singular.
@@BuddingOrchid i honestoy don't know why i grouped the mycenean and minioan with archaic period, youre right about them lacking big sculptures, i also called them kuros because my art history course was in spanish, but thank you for clearing everything up!
I hope you will talk about yzma. I am pretty sure her style isn't historical accurate but she is such an DRAG ICON
I hope Shan Yu is in Part 2. I just love his rugged nomadic steppe warrior outfit.
She’s one of my favs I always loved her science scenes
@@robonaught oh yes, his design is great as well!
@@bobsburgers8497 she is definitely my fave. And yes they were great! ".... Or, to save on postage, I'll just poison him with this!"
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okay but the thing about big noses really annoys me bc literally everyone in my family has big noses(were greek) and yet i hated my nose for years bc of shit like those disney movies. it sticks with you whether you realise it or not and i hate it
I hated my button nose too.
Same for me as a Jew. Our type of noses are always on bad guys and goblins
I totally agree! But I will say it bugs me so much when people say that being Greek is synonymous with having a larger nose... my family and many other Greeks I know don’t have this feature. People try to alienate us because of this stereotype bullshit (particularly non Greeks) when we are just as Greek.
What I am getting at is that Greeks have so many diverse physical characteristics and I’m not a fan people defining us to a limited number of physical characteristics...
@@Langwidere903 Although they're not Jewish just because they are villains or have big noses. They ain't Jewish if they ain't confirmed to be Jewish. Plus most of these companies have Jewish employees. I can see why some might find that problematic, but the thing is there's no proof that they're Jews. Gothel was based on Cher, who isn't a Jew (she's Albanian, so is it now "Albanophobic"?). Also, these movies have Hebrew dubs, so clearly not every Jew thinks big noses on characters are a problem.
@@finland4ever55 its not the fact that the villains are Jewish bc they're not as you said. Its the fact that the big nose characteristic always present on villains is recognised as a trait commonly found on Jewish people and as a result of it being on villains in movies like Disney's it is seen as a bad trait and villainised. The fact that Hebrew dubs exist says nothing about the audience of the movies but it says that the company made an executive decision to widen their audience as much as possible to have the chance generate more revenue. This decision was probably made not specifically about Hebrew dubs but about dubs in foreign languages in general as English speaking audiences only make up a small part of the worlds population
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For some reason Hades looks like he borrowed a tshirt from Adam Sandler.
Omg after you pointed out the nose thing for the villains, I can’t see anything else. That’s such a sneaky way to push a certain narrative around certain physical features.
@Armo Moose It’s not about whether or not it’s true, it’s about a feature that is associated with Ashkenazi Jews. I am Jewish and do not have this nose, but the conceptual idea of Jews having those physical features is extremely pervasive and this reinforces it while also framing them as ugly and evil.
@Armo Moose i'm pretty sure what the dude in the tiktok is saying is that the big nose villain started as a Jewish stereotype and then people kept copying the design trough the decades as a signifier of evil whether meaning to stereotype Jews or not. Basically companies don't care what the stereotype means meanwhile it's recognizable as evil it doesn't matter.
@Carne Guisada Under a rock pretending there's no injustice in the world and everyone's too sensitive, obviously!
@Pareidolia oh, did you do a lunchtime poll?
@Pareidolia Many do care actually. I don't know how you got to that conclusion, maybe you should take some of your own advice and not speak for minorities.
Wanted to say this on your princess series, but the reason characters had simple costumes with minimal to no prints and embellishments was because they would make the garments extremely difficult to animate at different angles and in motion. Especially by hand. Love your content btw.
I do hate how "historically accurate" artists and critics never mention that.
Same goes for the silhouettes of outfits, the more elaborate the silhouette the more difficult it is to animate.
exactly what I was thinking ! They couldn't draw 10 millions pictures with all these prints and lace and ornaments. It's better if she mentions it. Coz I don't think Disney made such big stupid mistakes by not having any costume designer to sit with them.
Since you're a fashion master, I would love to see a video that's "a list of 'outdated' fashions that should be popular again" or "a list of basics everyone should have in their wardrobe."
Would absolutely love that!
@@hwrgfn7029 no capes!
YES
lindsey ellis did a deep dive into the history of the huntchback of notre dame and it wasn't actually Disney that originally changed frollo's job title but I'm sure there's a reason they didn't change it back
ig they thought him being a priest was too spicy so they left him as a judge (even though the rest of the movie is traumatizing 😂😂)
or maybe judge made it so modern ppl would see him as more of an authority figure than a priest idk
@@charlottecomeau1266 ya and i think in lindsey's vid she says tht the Disney movie is more of a remake of a very popular movie version of huntchback, since a lot of the stuff tht was cut out/changed from the movie was also cut out/changed in the Disney version
and it kinda does make sense i mean in our modern western cultural a judge/person in government has more power than someone in the church
which video?
@@ennasf9419 ruclips.net/video/AIIWy3TZ1eI/видео.html&ab_channel=LindsayEllis this
Remember, If you do Mother Gothel you need to keep in mind that her clothing is supposed to look outdated to hint at her true age
(Edit) Peter Pan takes place in 1909 because in Peter Pan 2 Wendys husband is seen returning from World War 2
Her dress still kills though lol
@@Tori-wt7dy 100%
In Wendy's world that is, in Neverland the time moves differently, thats why the kids don't grow up
@@idlesun1645 Yes, but in the real world its 1909
@@Drowningindisappointment neither of the world wars had even started in 1909? the great war 1914-1918, world war 2 1939-1945
love the way you show us historical examples of what you would’ve put them in!! it rly inspires me to re-draw them in those designs 👀
oooh that'd be cool to see! Do you post your art anywhere?
@@liv97497 I have a “professional” instagram account that I’m trying to use more often!! I can post them there when I’m done-it’s @ lisavonwerder :)
One thing that is plausible is that Dr Facilier's design was heavily inspired by Baron Samedi, a sort of deity(?) associated with voodoo. His signature look is a tailcoat suit, top hat, cane, and skull themes (either a straight up skull head or skull patterned facepaint). His color scheme is also, you guessed it, black, white and purple.
Thank you for adding this! I was surprised she didn't discuss it since it seems to have been the major inspiration for Facilier's look.
therapist: front-facing Hermes isn't real, it can't hurt you
front-facing Hermes: 12:42
idk why but front-facing figures on classical vases are lowkey scary
@@RatRatRat yesssss
Maybe a small fun fact: Disney allegedly was inspired by the statue of a woman in my hometown to create the face of the Evil Queen. The woman is called Uta von Naumburg. She, her husband and many others gave money to build a cathedral there. After the cathedral was finished, statues were built to honor this group of people. Uta's statue indeed has a cold look and, most famously, a high collar. Legend has it she was very unhappy in her marriage, therefore the artist wanted to portray her that way.
Damn. That is a cool fact. I looked it up and you definitely see the resemblance.
Uta's statue is really pretty
It says that she was considered the most beautiful woman of the Middle Ages and I can see why.
Disney Villains get some of the most fun outfits!
They get some of the best songs too
As a Jewish person, thank you so freaking much for including that tik tok and bringing awareness to the antisemitism engrained in our modern society!!
I'm gonna say that the reason Hook's shirt is pink is that he's bad at laundry and just threw in the white shirt with his red jacket and breeches. Always separate whites and reds children!
OR it could be pink because the "gay men wear pink" thing. probably something like that
its not entirely necessary nowadays, now laundry detergents dont cause colors to bleed (at least after the first few washes!)
Oh, come now. You know Smee was the one doing the laundry...and he'd probably had a few swigs of rum before hand...
@@remwifeyy calm down homophobe.
@@puccipuu1797 im literally- like thats a stereotype??? maybe i shouldve worded it better or something but i put quotation marks??? like what??
Fun fact from my art history professor, the evil queen from snow white is actually based on a statue in the Naumburg Cathedral depicting one of it's patrons, Uta von Ballenstedt. What's interesting about this is that the patrons were depicted in fashions that were modern to the time they were created, not really accurate to the time the patrons were alive, so the style we see on the statue is probably something she didn't actually wear in her lifetime.
I love that plant has a sticker that just says "PLANT" same
Medieval Art Historian here: The Evil Queen was most likely partially based on the donor portrait of Uta von Ballenstadt (c. 1000-1046) of the Naumburg Cathedral from the 13th century, and they do in fact contain many similarities in style!
Doesn't Peter Pan take place in the late Victorian/early Edwardian? Judging by what Mr. and Mrs. Darling wear
I think you're right! I wasn't paying too much attention because I know Hook is definitely not from the 1900s and the movie was released in 1953. But Return to Neverland (the sequel) takes place in 1940, which makes me think that Peter Pan is set in the 1910s (though if that's the case, Mrs. Darling could look a little more historically accurate ;D)
@@gremlita Yeah, I wish there was even more time and budget for these older hand-drawn films (or even for Princess and the Frog) cause then we could get more details in the clothing, especially for Dr. Faucilier's pin striped pants...those would have looked so good! Also I love your videos, I always look forward to the next one!
Since people don’t age in neverland, Hook is likely from the golden age of piracy and not from the movie’s modern time
Yeah I was like “wait isn’t there a ww2 air raid in the sequel?” Lmao
@@gremlita and the sequel took place in one of the world wars, during the blitzreig
I just wanted to point out that dr. Facilier is a voodoo doctor, so I think the little feature like the tooth necklace should also be looked at for accuracy. Such as traditional voodoo or black Magic accessories in New Orleans. New Orleans has a large African descent population and many practiced black magic so it is important to take that into account.
Re Dr Facilier, I think the lack of dress shirt baring midrif is queer coding (which disney loves lmao), whereas the standard shirt with no waistcoat wouldn't have that same othering effect
exactly, like, dr. facilier just has drip. his friends from the other side said crop tops were in.
@@gil5885 Omfg im dying 💀
not 100% sure if it's queer coding. He's dressed almost exactly the same as Baron Samedi in Sugar Hill, which is a classic blaxploitation movie. Seems more likely they'd draw inspiration from that character
Yes! Disney villains are gay af! But that's why they're so iconic and fabulous. Glad someone else noticed
@@mirmanerd101 I didn't know that! thanks for the perspective 💕
Im not normally into this kind of stuff, but you're so knowledgeable about something Ive never even thought about. I watched the princess dresses videos and you're really cool.
Please please please make another episode on ur wardrobe, I'm in live with your style and taste😍
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@@chickennuggets1990 niiiice
Honestly I don't even really care about disney movies but these videos are so interesting! I think the part calling out disney anti-semitism was very important, kudos for that.
nah, dude was reaching...
Could you do a video on the costumes in Death Becomes Her? The costumes in my opinion are so beautiful and also quite symbolic in the repetitive colour schemes (Madeline being in blues and white and Helen being in reds). Would love for you to look at the costumes!
YES! That would be such a good video!
It's such a funny movie too hahaha I'm laughing just thinking abt ut
yes, please!
I'd love that!
Yes! I want her to cover more campy films like this.
THANK YOU for mentioning the antisemitism! i feel like no one ever talks about it; it means so much to me that you made a point to mention it
agreed!
I always have seen turn of the century cartoons as examples of antisemitic depictions, never have I been pointed at the obvious that Near Easter/Middle Eastern ethnic feature are still often chosen for villainous characters because ahhhh antisemitism. It’s so disappointing how society hasn’t evolved. People just went back to subliminal antisemitism
YES AGREED-being Jewish it is so frustrating that antisemitism is like never talked about??? Like it’s just a softened up offensive thing that is made fun of all the time so one really cares for and it’s like we don’t matter as much just cause we “blend in” but we are like the black people of religion if that makes any sense.
The awful part is that the these features are so established as villainous that people draw villains with these features not even realizing where it comes from and keep prepetuating them unconsciously
Of course that's not the only awful part but I hope you get my point
Facelier would look so cool if he was super colourful, fits his chaotic personality and would give him a very unique look
Hey I was wondering if you could do the outfits for the Barbie movies, specifically the historical based/fairytale ones (and excluding the fantasy and modern ones)? A couple of them are a bit vague in time period like Diamond Castle, Island Princess, or Magic of Pegasus but it would totally be amazing!
Island Princess is set in Italy and Pegasus is set in the Netherlands. That's all I can really say.
@@finland4ever55 How can Pegasus be placed in the Netherlands? Their castle is literally built in a canyon-like thing and they are on a mountain passage when they find the cave. There are no mountains like that in the Netherlands. I'm not trying to attack you, but this doesn't make any sense geographically :)
I loved this video so much and I can't wait for the rest of the series!
As a Jewish lady, I also appreciate that you referenced the Jewish tropes in Disney villains!
Lets also discuss how many villains are coded to be disabled and this is framed negatively.
I actually like the disabled coding because it doesn't make disabled people seem weak imho
we need a part 2 & 3 of this video!! i love this series so much and there's so many other villains with ICONIC looks.
The nose thing had literally the opposite effect on me. Instead of viewing people with bigger, hooked noses as villains, I saw them as strong and resilient. Idk, just thought that was weird.
Facilier doesn’t have a dress shirt because they needed that crop top look so they could queercode him as much as possible.☕️
Holy shit
Exactly.
And here i was thinking it was like that bc he is poor
@@jellybean1528 nah he G A E
He looks so much like Prince, it was weird
MINNNNNA, THE LOOK TODAY IS IMMACULATE!!!!
Frollo was actually changed to a judge by victor Hugo for the stage adaptation, so this wasn't disneys decision, he's been a judge since almost the very beginning. Love your videos, since you're in Newyork you and bernadette banner should totally crossover
Victor Hugo himself?
@@盧璘壽로인수 yeahhh
Loved this video, but Disney’s Peter Pan takes place in the Edwardian era, you can tell based on Mr. and Mrs. Darlings clothing, and even Mrs. Darlings hair is super accurate to Edwardian hair.
Sure, but that doesn’t mean Hook was from the Edwardian era too! Time moves differently in neverland and it sounds like he’d been there for a little bit.
@@gabaghoul3499 No i’m talking about when she said the part in London takes place in the 1950s which it doesn’t, that’s Edwardian.
@@jackgriffin5757 hmm, maybe she misspoke? Since Disney’s Peter Pan was released in 1953🤷🏻♀️
But it does make sense for Peter Pan to be set in the Edwardian Era, since the play was from 1904
A video analysis of the costumes in Too Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything, Julie Newmar? Would be interesting to hear a analysis looking at how the trio (Vida; Noxeema and Chi Chi,) show their personalities and distinctive drag persona.
girl please please do a part 2, i am in love with this ‘series’. i would absolutely die seeing you do a part 2 that included the 1959 maleficent :)
Mina: talks about how Disney villains have a consistent red/purple/black color scheme
Me, currently wearing red purple and black, my three favorite colors: 😳
(Honestly the villains always look cooler anyways tho)
i love watching these videos cause i know fuckall about historical fashion but all of the sudden i’m the most educated person on the subject
I think one thing that could’ve improved your critique of Facilier would be to look at the historical dress of Vodun practitioners. Just to round it off.
yeah, even those portrayed in media. I watched Sugar Hill a year ago and immediately noticed that Baron Samedi in that movie is dressed almost exactly the same as Dr. Facilier
The way that she included an explanation about anti-Semitism in the video is honestly a serve and we should talk about it
Captain Hook's costume actually makes sense historically, because captains were not doing what the regular crew members would do
I love Frollo's song about wanting Esmeralda to be 'his and his alone'. It does such a great job at showing his hypocrisy, it shows us how he believes he has the moral high ground ('you know I'm so much purer than...'), but he is actually a dirtbag. It also makes him very much like real life 'villains' that hide behind religion. And I think it's the only scene in a Disney movie in which this form of sexism/misogyny is shown (including victim blaming: 'I'm not to blame, it is the gypsy girl') and properly depicted as evil.
hopefully they do one about muslim men too
Perfectly said. I love how they subtly but also explicitly, in a sense, show the hypocrisy of 'religious' leaders. They may look "godly" but the way they live says something else.
Doing my lit degree, we just did Peter Pan and apparently the novel highly described Captain Hooks' clothing as resembling of Charles the 2nd as he's supposed to symbolise power and education the upper classes enjoyed (apparently Captain Hooks was an Eton boy!) Perhaps this could have influence on his costume in the film too !!✨✨
Fun fact: the reason we don’t have images of Mycenaean hades is because he likely didn’t exist at this time at all. Poseidon was largely considered to be associated with the underworld due to his earthquakes
"Hellfire" is an amazing song though.
We are still waiting for part 2.
Finally someone is talking about the villains' outfits. Can you please do a series on the historical accuracy of the outfits of the Disney Princes?
Disney should make more princesses wearing black, red, brown, navy blue since all princesses are wearing bright saturated gowns and leave the darker colors for the villains it would be interesting and refreshing to see how the color of your wardrobe doesn't necessarily reflect your personality as for a princess can wear black and still be joyful and happy
okay but i'm getting evil snow white vibes and i'm loving it 🥺
I can't WAIT for Maleficent and Lady Tremaine!!
You talking abt Minoans and the Mycenaean civilization is insane to me I’m literally from the area they existed in and my house is 5 minutes from the ruins of Knossos 🤣
Minoans had insane fashion. Women often bared their breasts yet held them up.
@@ar.6968 That is indeed true! I find them fascinating even from an objective perspective
Felt a burst of dopamine from contemplating the fact that I’m a beautiful dove 🕊
Honestly, I kinda love being called a dove
Hades is definitely my favorite villain and he’d for sure have a more flashy outfit irl lol
i really like the idea of hook adopting different items of clothing every time he leaves neverland or every time someone comes to neverland and brings different clothes... tbh i wish i had half of that mans dress sense lmao
Fun fact, Hades didn't exist in Mycenaean Greece. Probably one of the reasons that there are no depictions of him.
I was looking to sew if someone said this! He's believed to be an offshoot of mycanean Poseidon. One evidence of this is the story of hades and persephone, where it was Poseidon and Persephone in Mycenean tales
Love your channel ❤️
Love you and your reviews, I just wanted you to acknowledge how hard details would be to animate...
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a cool headcanon/in-universe explanation for Hook's costuming is that Peter Pan and The Lost Boys STOLE all of Hook's bling and, in paranoia, he took to wearing his fanciest regalia on a daily basis to prevent THEM being stolen too.
The lilac shirt, similarly, could be passed off as a prank played on him, Peter staining the pirates' laundry with beetroot or mollusks, or simply an unfortunate relic of the pirates first attempts at laundering in Neverland (as opposed to hiring washerwomen at port).
For The Evil Queen, her design reminds me of Mother Gothel: deliberate historic inaccuracy to evoke a sense of witches being much older than they appear. Prior to her being widowed, the Evil Queen likely conformed with contemporary fashions but discarded them during her coup.
"The people performing these amputations were cooks, not surgeons"
Let's be honest, even if they'd had proper surgeons on board, they wouldn't have stood that better of a chance at surviving.
10:50 Thanks for that I'm really tired from people that dont recognize the greek on Hercules
For the Evil queen the dress is fitted to her body and the largest cape because vain of course. Most of the disney fashion are inspired by the when the movie came and not of the time in the actual movie
WE NEED A PART 2!!!!!!
thank you so much for pointing out the antisemitism in popular media such as disney film depictions, its very important that it’s acknowledged and denormalized.
Family guy pokes fun of that fact. That’s actually how I trust realized this. In an episode they go Disney style and everyone is singing and happy. Then one of their Jewish characters appears and they all get angry and point him out and kill him. That clicked in me and I was like “wait? Does Disney “not like Jewish people” and then I saw the similarities in their villains
@@QUETI0112 Wait, isn't family guy actually antisemetic?
i wonder how historically accurate ursula is. lol. we're tentacles ever in fashion?
Okay but if there ever was a pirate who would wear highly impractical clothing, it *would* be Captain Hook... and he sure looks fabulous even without an array of jewels
like how mina always deducts points on style for a colour not matching hahaha
I mean I LOST IT when she said "cooks" and Remy showed up
me, in 2022, waiting for part 2 and 3
Character wise Gothel is the scariest and realest villain, cause a gaslighter could be your friend, partner or even a family member.
pleaseee can't you see im starving i need a part 2 asap!!!
The evil queen might be several hundred years old. Her dress being old fashioned is not so strange.
You in black = perfection
Between slashing, epaulets, trench coats, and camo, there's so many trends that came from militaries over the years. I think this could be a great subject for a video! Also examining the idea of romanticizing warfare by making aspects of the uniform trendy.
I THOUGHT FROLLO WAS A PRIEST OR SMTH IN THE CARTOON TOO, HOW DID I MISS THAT HE WASN'T
“Hellfire” is and will forever be the most evil and most epic Disney villain song. It’s the perfect villain song with the perfect Disney villain. It’s real and honest in portraying true human evil, and our capacity for evil and good. This is a concept that children should be privy to, and it is excellent that Disney went there with Frollo.
Actually, fun fact, as of now we haven't found any mention of Hades in Linear B. He could have existed my Mycenaean Greece, but he also could have just not.
A fun video that explains this is Overly Sarcastic Productions video on Hades and Persephone, just so you know I'm not pulling this out of thing air.
I like how in the back there’s a plant labeled “plant”
Please talk about the costume accuracy in the 1997 film Anastasia!! You’d do great!!
Ok, but I'm loving the way you're including more and more detail and research into these videos. I must take sure long to research all of this, but I really appreciate it and love you videos!
LMAO when Remy showed up. Where is the spinoff where Remy has to feed a pirate ship and give amputations?
If you ever do accuracy ratings for live action films I’d love to see one for Ever After with Drew Barrymore, I love the costumes but don’t know how accurate they are and haven’t found any videos on it
Yes yes this is a wonderful video idea!
I always thought Frollo was some sort of priest as a kid, I didn’t realize he wasn’t until you said it, tbh tho I didn’t really like that movie because Frollo scared me haha
THE BLACK LIPSTICK LOOK IN THIS VIDEO IS ABSOLUTELY STUNNING
i am so excited for you to do mother gothel in the future. i'm waiting with baited breath.
Love the dark look. A contrast to the princess series. I do Love the stylish villain Cruella. Black dress, red stilettos and a lush fur coat? Yas!