The thing that annoys me most about this issue is that “men are stronger” omits that this is an average. Every single man is not stronger than all women. Some women are pretty strong. Even if we acknowledge that men are stronger *on average*, the only thing that should matter here is whether the women who are in the military are fit for the military, which they are. And that guy needs to just get over it.
This was cathartic, not gonna lie. I wish more people got called out like this. They're so confident in how wrong they are, their brain is incapable of processing any new information. They just want to feel like they're right at any cost.
There is a feminist tiktoker who was talking about a book she wrote and she read a story from a woman in the military that described how she was the only woman in her squad (idk what they’re called in the military) and she was the only one who found it odd that the children of a village didn’t come out to play. Turns out the children didn’t come out because their parents saw that the opposing military made the area into a minefield. Having women involved can be important. Having a diverse military in general is important. Women may pick up on things men won’t, minorities will understand how to exploit ethnic tensions in the country to weaken its opposition.
I want everyone on the left to have this attitude towards conservatives now. They know they’re lying, we know they’re lying. No need to refute them or capitulate. State the fact and when they go to open their weaselly little mouth it’s just met with: “Shut the fuck up.”
@@leericksmanthats just not true, the one thing the left actually has going for them is most of the things the left advocates for is factually correct. The one thing we dont have going for us is that we dont appeal to the dumb, or we sometimes come across weak. So the weak minded ignore our facts. So we gotta be edgier, and speak facts
While men on average are stronger than women, we select for people who can perform up to standard already. If women want to join the military they can, but they have to pass the same bar as everybody else.
Yes you idiot. If you are active duty Frontline combat you go through boot camp and have minimum fitness standards you need to meet. The Military doesn't consist of a bunch of obese land whales. Very few women meet the requirements for men to join the military. Life isn't a marvel movie. Women can have just as good marksmanship and driving ability as men but holding ground and carrying heavy equipment long distances is much harder for them and their weight capacity is lower.
Anger doesnt equate to being incorrect about a position. People who invoke the notion “you angry bro” simply have no response or rebuttals to what is being said and their only aim is to get an emotional response. Humans need to grow up and out of these primitive notions.
@@theblastingtruth Can you actually think for a second? Who said anything about shooting and carrying at the same time? Activate your brain before you reply.
Because honestly, it doesn't take A Five year old to learn that being in the military is more than just physical strength, it's mental fortitude, as well and your ability to function with one another as a unit
Furthermore that if it was on strength then Woman should still be allowed because some Women have extreme amounts of testosterone and muscle ect. If all Women were fragile tooth picks I’d agree they shouldn’t be in the military but the fact that the person can’t comprehend lots of Women are stronger than lots of Men is sad 😭
There are many combat roles for women. That is a fact. I was in the military. I would not take a woman or a man that cannot carry my 110kg body + gear in combat situation as my team mate. This is a part of basic training.
@@RanEncounter Lots of Women in the military if not all can do that. Correct me if I’m wrong but it’s required to be able to lift a certain amount to even quality to front lines
And most women can't do the bare minimum in how much weight they can carry and that's ok. Most military positions are support that don't include that and aren't in the front lines even. But progressives would rather ignore differences and lower the bar for females instead of acknowledging we aren't equals. @@RanEncounter
We all know women ON AVERAGE are physically weaker than men (although I'd imagine the differences might not be as great as we think). This still suggests there's plenty of women who are capable of serving on the front line, not all women are tiny and feeble. This argument also completely ignores the fact that there are sooo many other skills in the military that having nothing to do with physical strength. Disallowing women affectively means halfing your potential of finding the best shooters (plenty of insanely skilled female snipers during the World Wars), amongst many many other useful skills. The necessity of physical strength also declines as we are essentially fighting wars with technology anyway, and it's not like women's brains are naturally shitter or something.
Also, most men in the military are not very fit. For every David Goggins, there are hundreds of service members who get the bare minimum scores on the fitness test since most jobs in the military do not require a high level of physical fitness.
I used to work in Glacier National Park with many women who were lumberjacks, helicopter pilots, search and rescue mountaineers, bear trappers, you name it. They all carried their own supplies and knew how to survive in the wilderness, shoot a gun, hunt, build fires, purify water, fell a tree, etc. The only time I ever heard a woman ask a man to carry her pack for her was after she’d been in a landslide and had a broken shoulder blade and four broken ribs and physically could not carry weight on that side of her body. And then there was Angela, a German woman who visited the park every year and literally _ran_ up mountains with a full pack, alone, summited a couple peaks a day, set up and broke down her own campsites, and then would go to work on Monday like it was nothing. This caller just hates the idea of working with women. He’s fragile.
Also, women require less food, water, and oxygen in tanks than men, and their clothing and equipment like helmets and sleeping bags are smaller, so they weigh less. This is why the Soviet Union used so many female cosmonauts to test spacecraft during the space race; they need less stuff, which saves weight and space in close confines. When you do the calculations for physical size and strength to weight carried ratio, women are usually carrying more in relation to their physical capabilities than men are in military and wilderness situations.
This is the most obvious troll debate I have ever seen. Mad props to the random sleepy guy who pissed Hunter off this much. I am genuinely shocked nobody in this entire comment section realized it was a bit (or that Hunter didn't realize it for that matter). The dude didn't even make an argument the entire time and just parroted what Hunter said but opposite. You were right, this video is definitely proof we evolved from apes. I feel I lost brain cells listening to the meltdown.
Bruh caller has no idea how strong women's legs can be. If your legs are strong, obviously, you would be able to carry such gear. Also, soldiers don't usually carry 200 lbs. It mostly falls in the 70-130 lbs range.
In my basic training company of 100 soldiers including 40 or so females 10 of them developed hip stress fractures doing a 6 mile, 8 mile, and 12 mile ruck march carrying 45 lbs.
It's always hilarious when a guy who can't lift and won't fight is so critical and scrutinous of people who could lift 10 of him and would obliterate him in 2 seconds in a fight
1. Physical Performance Differences • U.S. Marine Corps Study (2015): • Key Findings: All-male units outperformed mixed-gender units in tasks like movement under load, accuracy in marksmanship, and overall task completion time. • Source: U.S. Marine Corps, Ground Combat Element Integrated Task Force Study (2015). Report Summary • Strength and Endurance Differences: • Key Finding: On average, men have 30-50% more upper body strength and greater aerobic capacity than women, which can affect performance in physically demanding combat roles. • Source: Knapik, J. et al., Gender Differences in Strength and Endurance, Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research (2004). DOI: 10.1519/R-14744.1 2. Injury Rates • Higher Injury Risk for Women: • Key Finding: Women in basic training are twice as likely to suffer stress fractures and other musculoskeletal injuries compared to men. • Source: U.S. Army Research Institute of Environmental Medicine, Gender Differences in Musculoskeletal Injury Risk, Military Medicine (1997). DOI: 10.7205/MILMED.162.9.638 • Impact of Load Carrying: • Key Finding: Carrying heavy loads increases the risk of chronic injuries for women, particularly to the lower back and knees. • Source: Orr, R. et al., Load Carriage for Female Soldiers: A Review of Issues and Risk Factors, Journal of Military and Veterans’ Health (2010). Link 3. Unit Cohesion and Mixed-Gender Challenges • Challenges in Unit Cohesion: • Key Finding: Some research indicates challenges in unit cohesion in mixed-gender combat units, citing interpersonal dynamics and perceived differences in physical capability. • Source: Defense Advisory Committee on Women in the Services (DACOWITS), Cohesion and Effectiveness in Mixed-Gender Combat Units (2017). Report 4. Combat Effectiveness • Key Finding: Integrating women into combat units can reduce combat effectiveness when standards are lowered, as seen in historical examples. • Source: MacKenzie, M. H., Let Women Fight: Ending the U.S. Military’s Female Combat Ban, Foreign Affairs (2012). Link
I don't think any of those were done in good faith.. Here's the reason (at least one I've been able to detect from experience): I'm an outlier for the bmi (a chart heavily considered when deciding the fittedness of a recuit).. All those studies were conducted around the time I went through the process of getting into the military and from what I heard the conditions were as stringent before.. They were strict in meps in regards of who they allowed to pass.. I barely got through bc of the bmi.. I wasnt at all fat or overweight when I got tested.. I was in 'good shape' according to their standards.. I ran so much that I atrophied my muscles (I noticed myself be in a marked state of weakness bc of all the running), I was able to fit in a size 2, I gave myself a cavity due to runners mouth (no one told me about) and I could see my ribs.. but I still was at 'max weight'.. I barely got through meps.. I'm mentioning all this bc all these women who were tested in those studies you mentioned were most likely the 'standard women's health and weight range'.. Clearly these women were met with incredulity as to whether theyd be able to meet the fitness standards bc the health standards they flipping screen for in order to pass them into basic wouldn't meet the physical demands they would meet when training.. They don't test to get women whose body dimensions would actually enable them to physically meet the requirements.. in fact they would be discriminated against and failed like I almost was if I hadn't made myself waste away with exorbitant amounts of running..
@ even if you are correct about those studies what do you have to say about the higher injury rates because at the end of the day this about safety for me if it’s safe I don’t care
@@summonlucifer less of those would happen if you screened differently.. Idk what you mean Also again, from experience.. a lot of training is affected by mental state.. when I was in basic I had an unexplained pain in my right hip whenever I tried to get up from the floor.. i hated being told to sit on the ground.. this injury was psychosomatic due to intense anxiety issues bc when I was discharged due to psych the pain completely went away.. Read mate's 'when the body says no'.. the physical is heavily influenced by the mental.. and one could see why women would be predisposed to injury with comments such as the one you posted in the formatting it was posted😒 clearly meant to discourage them
I personally know a female combat soldier who is actually so strong I’d be willing to bet she could beat 99% of ever men I’ve ever known or seen. She was literally so strong people would fight school boards to get her on the boys sport teams. Now look at us.
I would love for a RUclipsr to set up a mini documentary of sorts, have these “due to statistical averages, women shouldn’t be in the military” debate bros be made to do the military’s physical fitness qualification exam alongside the women who are currently serving in the military, it’d be entertaining as hell to see the debate bros utterly fail to pass the exam yet still try and explain why the “average man” is better for the military than the women who do meet the physical fittest requirements for the military. Seriously tho, the entire premise for their argument is citing averages, which completely omits that the ONLY women in active military duty are the women who qualified as having the physical capability to be in the military in the first place. The “average” woman’s physical capabilities are completely irrelevant to the discussion. The military already has an institutional framework to ensure all military personnel meet the physical requirements to be apart of the military. As this video already stated, to forcibly take women out of the military is to make it inevitable that young men will be involuntarily drafted into the military to make up for the insufficient number of voluntary recruits. These debate bros better be careful what they advocate for, they may personally suffer the consequences if such a policy ever came to fruition.
I’m a disabled veteran. I wasn’t in when women were allowed to be in combat arms MOS’s but I’ve never understood the problems. Like if they want to be in combat jobs (infantry, cavalry, or tankers) what’s the big deal. I was a tanker and women would probably excel in that.
I’m a liberal but even I still think it’s a safety concern. Biologically men are better suited to be the hunters while the women were the gathers. Times have changed but these historical traits still remain to an extent and we need to compensate duly for that.
@@summonluciferthis hunter gatherer male female dynamic has been thoroughly called into question. This just largely isn’t true and it’s an assumption that we project onto people of the past because of our own cultural understanding of the roles men and women should be allowed to take. Dynamics were more complex than that and that is shown by research.
Dude the IDF in general is a poor example. They're having a hard time with people actually shooting back. They have been trained to bully unarmed civilians. Not against women in the military but don't use the IDF for reference.
@dalekrenegade2596 Did you go through IDF training or are you just repeating bulshit that you heard online? The IDF has so-called "open fire procedures" that contradict any nonsense that people like to spread in order to turn a complex reality into something dichotomous and easy to understand in their limited knowledge.
As a person who served myself, if a woman can perform the physical performance a combat ready man can, then all good. Honestly I have always felt there should be a combat requirement and a non-combat requirement for basic training. Not that many military service members are infantry these days.
......weight isn't that difficult to lift. If its spread out. And you'd be surprised how light 200 can be when dispersed. Dead lifting 200. Yea thats impressive but this isnt mulan. They arent running around with arms streched carrying 100lb water bucket in each arm.
Like this guy to tell someone like Ronda Rousey that women aren't strong and see where that goes. All people are individuals and should be treated and evaluated as such. Y'all remember that.
How will this guy grapple with the fact that girls on average are better marksmen? Which, as boots on the ground becomes obsolete we will require remote skills such as those which women have better ability in... @3:20 lol throwing ppl into warring will be the one profession that isnt a zero sum game.. so how he's thinking of it as this exclusive club, i have no idea.. @3:51 like I implicated in the beginning of this comment, they are on average more accurate.. @14:00 to the argument that diversity drives innovation and the later mention that combat soldiers are over burdened.. wouldn't the presence of 'weak dainty women' drive innovation for tougher but lighter protective wear?? In order to better understand your outrage.. you might want to include what that guy was posting in your chat.. no one understands the outrage bro.. we're sort of empathizing with the other guy bc of this omission..
200 lbs? That's like 90kg, which I carried maybe once or twice in my service. I can ask my SOF friends, as they obviously had much harder and heavier stuff than me, but I don't think that's anywhere near the average load. What we carried was oftentime around our own bodyweight or slightly less.
"I usually keep more composure" You know, I find that rather hard to believe, considering you lost your temper in previous debates, and still rely on ad hominem attacks. Always stick to attacking a person's ARGUMENT, not themselves personally.
I've heard that women don't have the same physical standards as men for the army as long as that is true then I don't think women should be in combat roles.
@FemboyKaiSaku shooting a gun is not the only thing people in combat roles do. You have to have a lot of strength and endurance just because of the amount of equipment they need to carry. Men have more of both on average. Like I said if a woman meets the same physical standards I think it's fine.
@FemboyKaiSaku women aren't Smarter biological either. Something that a gender is better at though is fighting. Men have had to fight way more throughout history and being a good fighter has been a way bigger pressure on men so men have evolved to be better at it.
@@jacksonklark6119 so your argument is that there should be a specific strength requirement in the military, not "women shouldnt be in the military" you acting like these military men are powerlifters. If there is no women, then there is less soldiers. So i guess you think, a slightly weaker soldier is worse than no soldier at all 🤔
I could debate better than this guy and its simple. Women DO NOT belong in combat roles, easy as that. When you have a 6'4" behemoth who you absolutely require a mechanical advantage in order to deal with and that mechanical advantage is either A) removed from you. B) doesnt work or breaks. C) the man has a bigger mechanical advantage or D) you are separated from your mechanical advantage it doesnt matter how many masters degrees you have, you lose and are a liability
@dalekrenegade2596 Not every man is 6'4 just like not every woman has the same sort of adrenaline response, high twitch fibers, red blood cell density and muscle control every single man on this planet does, even the feminine ones like you. An addition to your stance but correct me if I'm wrong but there was a controversial soccer match where both high school teenage boys beat out the women's international championship league and a long since retired men's team
Considering the far bigger problem the military is facing is a recruitment shortage, the advantages you’re talking about are negligible when looking at how modern combat is handled, and women have been shown to be able perform at the acceptable levels necessary to be effective in combat roles. Your view on how combat is engaged in is severely outdated and shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the situations. Also the average height of American men is only 5’9” and globally that’s even lower. Based on your earlier arguments should men below 6’4” be barred from the military since they lack a mechanical advantage over those who are? (And some women are 6’4”)
@haosmagnaingram6992 No thry haven't, in order for women to enter the military we have had to consistently lower the entrance requirements since 1995. Also the first poster is wrong on just about everything as well. "Not all men are 6'4"" he's right about that, on average men are typically faster and stronger than women, that's why they lost to a high school soccer team
So heres the thing about Women in combat roles. The main demographic of the lower enlisted force is 18 to mid 20s ish. I was in between 2010 to 2021. I met some kickass ladys that outperformed alot of guys. However the military needs to make the best decision to ensure that their main function... warfighting is at its best. You take what is practically high school and college kids and make it male only. You have a team working toward a common goal. You have a co-ed job, right wrong or indifferent you introduce that high school lite experience. It is sooo detrimential to a unit. Now if youre pushing paper sure, alittle bit of office drama won't absolutely kill your function of your job. But for a combat MOS, miliseconds of not following an order or you making the correct choice can end both your life and others. That part of it I've never liked. I've had women in the military, both supervisors and suborianates, who were pretty solid but it doesnt change my view on women in combat jobs. Also you cherry picked that marine stud. They found that the all male platoon massively outperformed the co-ed platoon. I cant imagine getting so worked up about a profession that you've never been in. Either way we cant put that genine back in the bottle!
@@dalekrenegade2596 It does not let me copy and paste hyperlinks in. Look up Marine Corp Co-ed unit study. Theres only one of them, the co-ed unit performed well in crew served weapons out of the many tests given. Look, there's no restricting women from combat arms in the future, that box was opened and its never closing. I served and I have an opinion, just like everyone else here including Hunter. But in general if you've never walked the walk its probably best to not have one about the inner workings of the Military. Again, its done so whatever at this point.
most people in military are not "the average f/m" does he not know people weight lift, workout, and TRAIN TO DO THIS? plus women are way stronger mentally and have much better pain management.
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I served 20 years in the Army, and I can tell you, women CAN and should serve in combat.
That's great
Could you expand?
@@thealexkirschproject thx but why do you think that?
@@jacksonklark6119Because he has seen their capacity first hand? I think thats pretty clear from the original comment
The thing that annoys me most about this issue is that “men are stronger” omits that this is an average. Every single man is not stronger than all women. Some women are pretty strong. Even if we acknowledge that men are stronger *on average*, the only thing that should matter here is whether the women who are in the military are fit for the military, which they are. And that guy needs to just get over it.
This was cathartic, not gonna lie. I wish more people got called out like this. They're so confident in how wrong they are, their brain is incapable of processing any new information. They just want to feel like they're right at any cost.
You mean like you & Hunter. Thanks for admitting it.
@JohnDoe003 the hypocrisy 😂
There is a feminist tiktoker who was talking about a book she wrote and she read a story from a woman in the military that described how she was the only woman in her squad (idk what they’re called in the military) and she was the only one who found it odd that the children of a village didn’t come out to play. Turns out the children didn’t come out because their parents saw that the opposing military made the area into a minefield. Having women involved can be important. Having a diverse military in general is important. Women may pick up on things men won’t, minorities will understand how to exploit ethnic tensions in the country to weaken its opposition.
I watch the same short, she is a specialist in cults, because she grew in a cult, escape it and then join the military.
"The average"
The people who serve in the military are far beyond average.
Your mom's average.
I want everyone on the left to have this attitude towards conservatives now.
They know they’re lying, we know they’re lying.
No need to refute them or capitulate.
State the fact and when they go to open their weaselly little mouth it’s just met with:
“Shut the fuck up.”
@@leericksmanthats just not true, the one thing the left actually has going for them is most of the things the left advocates for is factually correct. The one thing we dont have going for us is that we dont appeal to the dumb, or we sometimes come across weak. So the weak minded ignore our facts.
So we gotta be edgier, and speak facts
@@leericksman
You guys couldn't handle being called weird. Strange when that happen the Harris campaign actually got more popular.
@leericksman
Ah yes "team common sense" who simultaneously never show it.
They will just laugh about the triggered soy leftys and keep spewing their stupid shit
Unhinged Hunter is the best haha
While men on average are stronger than women, we select for people who can perform up to standard already. If women want to join the military they can, but they have to pass the same bar as everybody else.
They do, learn to keep up.
@dalekrenegade2596 yeah I know they do, that's what I'm pointing out?
Seriously? Does this person think that the entire military consists of big, buff behemoths?
Not sure but I watched this live, this dude is The Last Brain Cell Left from Family Guy.
That's his fetish
Yes you idiot. If you are active duty Frontline combat you go through boot camp and have minimum fitness standards you need to meet. The Military doesn't consist of a bunch of obese land whales. Very few women meet the requirements for men to join the military. Life isn't a marvel movie. Women can have just as good marksmanship and driving ability as men but holding ground and carrying heavy equipment long distances is much harder for them and their weight capacity is lower.
@@dragongamer4753
You already implied some women do qualify for it.
No, just that people like you are "seriously" stupid.
Anger doesnt equate to being incorrect about a position. People who invoke the notion “you angry bro” simply have no response or rebuttals to what is being said and their only aim is to get an emotional response.
Humans need to grow up and out of these primitive notions.
A gun doesn’t care how strong the person pulling the trigger is.
Hand to hand combat isn’t common in modern wars.
Yeah and carrying your wounded partner is not part of combat, right?
@ usually you aren’t shooting if you’re carrying someone.
@@theblastingtruth Can you actually think for a second? Who said anything about shooting and carrying at the same time? Activate your brain before you reply.
For real, look at what happen to Japan in WW2.
@@RanEncounter just because your mommy can’t pick you up, doesn’t mean other women can’t pick someone else up.
Because honestly, it doesn't take A
Five year old to learn that being in the military is more than just physical strength, it's mental fortitude, as well and your ability to function with one another as a unit
Furthermore that if it was on strength then Woman should still be allowed because some Women have extreme amounts of testosterone and muscle ect. If all Women were fragile tooth picks I’d agree they shouldn’t be in the military but the fact that the person can’t comprehend lots of Women are stronger than lots of Men is sad 😭
There are many combat roles for women. That is a fact.
I was in the military. I would not take a woman or a man that cannot carry my 110kg body + gear in combat situation as my team mate. This is a part of basic training.
@@RanEncounter Lots of Women in the military if not all can do that. Correct me if I’m wrong but it’s required to be able to lift a certain amount to even quality to front lines
And most women can't do the bare minimum in how much weight they can carry and that's ok. Most military positions are support that don't include that and aren't in the front lines even. But progressives would rather ignore differences and lower the bar for females instead of acknowledging we aren't equals. @@RanEncounter
@MichealScotch Correct. How is a simple fact like this so hard to understand?
We all know women ON AVERAGE are physically weaker than men (although I'd imagine the differences might not be as great as we think). This still suggests there's plenty of women who are capable of serving on the front line, not all women are tiny and feeble. This argument also completely ignores the fact that there are sooo many other skills in the military that having nothing to do with physical strength. Disallowing women affectively means halfing your potential of finding the best shooters (plenty of insanely skilled female snipers during the World Wars), amongst many many other useful skills. The necessity of physical strength also declines as we are essentially fighting wars with technology anyway, and it's not like women's brains are naturally shitter or something.
There are talented women in every field of society. It's fukin stupid to keep out 50% of humans in any field 💀
Also, most men in the military are not very fit. For every David Goggins, there are hundreds of service members who get the bare minimum scores on the fitness test since most jobs in the military do not require a high level of physical fitness.
I used to work in Glacier National Park with many women who were lumberjacks, helicopter pilots, search and rescue mountaineers, bear trappers, you name it. They all carried their own supplies and knew how to survive in the wilderness, shoot a gun, hunt, build fires, purify water, fell a tree, etc. The only time I ever heard a woman ask a man to carry her pack for her was after she’d been in a landslide and had a broken shoulder blade and four broken ribs and physically could not carry weight on that side of her body.
And then there was Angela, a German woman who visited the park every year and literally _ran_ up mountains with a full pack, alone, summited a couple peaks a day, set up and broke down her own campsites, and then would go to work on Monday like it was nothing.
This caller just hates the idea of working with women. He’s fragile.
Also, women require less food, water, and oxygen in tanks than men, and their clothing and equipment like helmets and sleeping bags are smaller, so they weigh less. This is why the Soviet Union used so many female cosmonauts to test spacecraft during the space race; they need less stuff, which saves weight and space in close confines.
When you do the calculations for physical size and strength to weight carried ratio, women are usually carrying more in relation to their physical capabilities than men are in military and wilderness situations.
This is the most obvious troll debate I have ever seen. Mad props to the random sleepy guy who pissed Hunter off this much. I am genuinely shocked nobody in this entire comment section realized it was a bit (or that Hunter didn't realize it for that matter). The dude didn't even make an argument the entire time and just parroted what Hunter said but opposite.
You were right, this video is definitely proof we evolved from apes. I feel I lost brain cells listening to the meltdown.
"I have this very stupid take but please don't yell at me."
If the guy I was debating kept trying to use the same tired argument over and over especially after being disproven, I'd be upset too
Bruh caller has no idea how strong women's legs can be. If your legs are strong, obviously, you would be able to carry such gear.
Also, soldiers don't usually carry 200 lbs. It mostly falls in the 70-130 lbs range.
In my basic training company of 100 soldiers including 40 or so females 10 of them developed hip stress fractures doing a 6 mile, 8 mile, and 12 mile ruck march carrying 45 lbs.
Yes their legs are still significantly weaker than men's. Womens lower body tends to be about 70% as strong as men and upper 40 to 50%.
It's always hilarious when a guy who can't lift and won't fight is so critical and scrutinous of people who could lift 10 of him and would obliterate him in 2 seconds in a fight
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No.
14:09 This guy goes up to a lift that says "maximum 6 people" and doesn't get on because there isn't 5 other people with him 😂
1. Physical Performance Differences
• U.S. Marine Corps Study (2015):
• Key Findings: All-male units outperformed mixed-gender units in tasks like movement under load, accuracy in marksmanship, and overall task completion time.
• Source: U.S. Marine Corps, Ground Combat Element Integrated Task Force Study (2015). Report Summary
• Strength and Endurance Differences:
• Key Finding: On average, men have 30-50% more upper body strength and greater aerobic capacity than women, which can affect performance in physically demanding combat roles.
• Source: Knapik, J. et al., Gender Differences in Strength and Endurance, Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research (2004). DOI: 10.1519/R-14744.1
2. Injury Rates
• Higher Injury Risk for Women:
• Key Finding: Women in basic training are twice as likely to suffer stress fractures and other musculoskeletal injuries compared to men.
• Source: U.S. Army Research Institute of Environmental Medicine, Gender Differences in Musculoskeletal Injury Risk, Military Medicine (1997). DOI: 10.7205/MILMED.162.9.638
• Impact of Load Carrying:
• Key Finding: Carrying heavy loads increases the risk of chronic injuries for women, particularly to the lower back and knees.
• Source: Orr, R. et al., Load Carriage for Female Soldiers: A Review of Issues and Risk Factors, Journal of Military and Veterans’ Health (2010). Link
3. Unit Cohesion and Mixed-Gender Challenges
• Challenges in Unit Cohesion:
• Key Finding: Some research indicates challenges in unit cohesion in mixed-gender combat units, citing interpersonal dynamics and perceived differences in physical capability.
• Source: Defense Advisory Committee on Women in the Services (DACOWITS), Cohesion and Effectiveness in Mixed-Gender Combat Units (2017). Report
4. Combat Effectiveness
• Key Finding: Integrating women into combat units can reduce combat effectiveness when standards are lowered, as seen in historical examples.
• Source: MacKenzie, M. H., Let Women Fight: Ending the U.S. Military’s Female Combat Ban, Foreign Affairs (2012). Link
I don't think any of those were done in good faith.. Here's the reason (at least one I've been able to detect from experience):
I'm an outlier for the bmi (a chart heavily considered when deciding the fittedness of a recuit).. All those studies were conducted around the time I went through the process of getting into the military and from what I heard the conditions were as stringent before.. They were strict in meps in regards of who they allowed to pass.. I barely got through bc of the bmi.. I wasnt at all fat or overweight when I got tested.. I was in 'good shape' according to their standards.. I ran so much that I atrophied my muscles (I noticed myself be in a marked state of weakness bc of all the running), I was able to fit in a size 2, I gave myself a cavity due to runners mouth (no one told me about) and I could see my ribs.. but I still was at 'max weight'.. I barely got through meps..
I'm mentioning all this bc all these women who were tested in those studies you mentioned were most likely the 'standard women's health and weight range'.. Clearly these women were met with incredulity as to whether theyd be able to meet the fitness standards bc the health standards they flipping screen for in order to pass them into basic wouldn't meet the physical demands they would meet when training..
They don't test to get women whose body dimensions would actually enable them to physically meet the requirements.. in fact they would be discriminated against and failed like I almost was if I hadn't made myself waste away with exorbitant amounts of running..
@ even if you are correct about those studies what do you have to say about the higher injury rates because at the end of the day this about safety for me if it’s safe I don’t care
@@summonlucifer less of those would happen if you screened differently.. Idk what you mean
Also again, from experience.. a lot of training is affected by mental state.. when I was in basic I had an unexplained pain in my right hip whenever I tried to get up from the floor.. i hated being told to sit on the ground.. this injury was psychosomatic due to intense anxiety issues bc when I was discharged due to psych the pain completely went away..
Read mate's 'when the body says no'.. the physical is heavily influenced by the mental.. and one could see why women would be predisposed to injury with comments such as the one you posted in the formatting it was posted😒 clearly meant to discourage them
I personally know a female combat soldier who is actually so strong I’d be willing to bet she could beat 99% of ever men I’ve ever known or seen. She was literally so strong people would fight school boards to get her on the boys sport teams. Now look at us.
when he says they carry 200lbs of weight as an avid backpacker, i was thinking damn i carry 45lbs. im weak. 😂
Caller has apparently NEVER been in the military...and he didn't even have to say...
He probably got rejected to join and is now mad😬
These US discussions seem crazy to me as a european....
Army is a paid job there lol... You cannot just exclude women from that.
I would love for a RUclipsr to set up a mini documentary of sorts, have these “due to statistical averages, women shouldn’t be in the military” debate bros be made to do the military’s physical fitness qualification exam alongside the women who are currently serving in the military, it’d be entertaining as hell to see the debate bros utterly fail to pass the exam yet still try and explain why the “average man” is better for the military than the women who do meet the physical fittest requirements for the military.
Seriously tho, the entire premise for their argument is citing averages, which completely omits that the ONLY women in active military duty are the women who qualified as having the physical capability to be in the military in the first place. The “average” woman’s physical capabilities are completely irrelevant to the discussion. The military already has an institutional framework to ensure all military personnel meet the physical requirements to be apart of the military.
As this video already stated, to forcibly take women out of the military is to make it inevitable that young men will be involuntarily drafted into the military to make up for the insufficient number of voluntary recruits. These debate bros better be careful what they advocate for, they may personally suffer the consequences if such a policy ever came to fruition.
And the military is already having a recruitment shortage.
Duke got roasted I couldn't even get one argument out.
I’m a disabled veteran. I wasn’t in when women were allowed to be in combat arms MOS’s but I’ve never understood the problems. Like if they want to be in combat jobs (infantry, cavalry, or tankers) what’s the big deal. I was a tanker and women would probably excel in that.
I’m a liberal but even I still think it’s a safety concern. Biologically men are better suited to be the hunters while the women were the gathers. Times have changed but these historical traits still remain to an extent and we need to compensate duly for that.
@@summonluciferthis hunter gatherer male female dynamic has been thoroughly called into question. This just largely isn’t true and it’s an assumption that we project onto people of the past because of our own cultural understanding of the roles men and women should be allowed to take. Dynamics were more complex than that and that is shown by research.
@@summonlucifer we’re not in the caveman days anymore lil bro
@summonlucifer "I'm a liberal but"
Nah you're just dumb, son
@@vishg5148 we’re not we’re a bi product of the cavemen days and some of those genetic adaptations still exist
10:52 the fastest hiker of the AT was a women
Id like to quote Jim Carey from liar liar,
"Theres nooooooo such thing as a weaker sex."
Bros acting like militaries use gorilla tactics 💀
they use gorillas in the military? :0
Does he not know about the IDF? One of the best armies in the world with a very high percentage of female soldiers. Even in combat
Dude the IDF in general is a poor example. They're having a hard time with people actually shooting back. They have been trained to bully unarmed civilians. Not against women in the military but don't use the IDF for reference.
It's easier for IDF when their targets are mostly women and children
@@MrEboxez
Correct.
Dude, the IDF is actually not even that impressive as a whole.
@dalekrenegade2596 Did you go through IDF training or are you just repeating bulshit that you heard online? The IDF has so-called "open fire procedures" that contradict any nonsense that people like to spread in order to turn a complex reality into something dichotomous and easy to understand in their limited knowledge.
Dude probably got rejected to join the army because of his size and mental health and is now mad at women that did get in😂
Seriously 200 pounds what training is the guest referencing ? SF special forces train with 75 pounds rucking
For all my fellow non Americans. 5 pounds is 2 kg.. he is arguing over 2 KG!! 😂
It's like watching the Trump vs. Biden debate all over again.
As a person who served myself, if a woman can perform the physical performance a combat ready man can, then all good. Honestly I have always felt there should be a combat requirement and a non-combat requirement for basic training. Not that many military service members are infantry these days.
......weight isn't that difficult to lift. If its spread out. And you'd be surprised how light 200 can be when dispersed.
Dead lifting 200. Yea thats impressive but this isnt mulan. They arent running around with arms streched carrying 100lb water bucket in each arm.
How come the other guy on the line sounds like he is trying to imitate talking like The Critical Drinker or something?
Like this guy to tell someone like Ronda Rousey that women aren't strong and see where that goes. All people are individuals and should be treated and evaluated as such. Y'all remember that.
The right needs to be called out like this more. They need to know how awful we really think they are
If only Tim Walz was allowed to keep calling them weird
I joined when they opened being a Combat Engineer to females and was the second wave to become one 🤷🏾♀️ Still one 9 years later. It's not a hard MOS
How will this guy grapple with the fact that girls on average are better marksmen? Which, as boots on the ground becomes obsolete we will require remote skills such as those which women have better ability in...
@3:20 lol throwing ppl into warring will be the one profession that isnt a zero sum game.. so how he's thinking of it as this exclusive club, i have no idea..
@3:51 like I implicated in the beginning of this comment, they are on average more accurate..
@14:00 to the argument that diversity drives innovation and the later mention that combat soldiers are over burdened.. wouldn't the presence of 'weak dainty women' drive innovation for tougher but lighter protective wear??
In order to better understand your outrage.. you might want to include what that guy was posting in your chat.. no one understands the outrage bro.. we're sort of empathizing with the other guy bc of this omission..
sexist takes like this guy had disgust me I know so many amazing women fighting in the IDF to preserve peace and destroy the horrific Islamic regime
Yep alot if those guys are on the Trump cabinet video spamming.
Well one f**k the IDF for committing war crimes. But they have female soldiers I guess that’s a win? 🫠
@@Smellanie4121
Yeah the IDF as a whole is not very impressive.
Aha, you mean this by massacaring women and children on masse?
200 lbs? That's like 90kg, which I carried maybe once or twice in my service. I can ask my SOF friends, as they obviously had much harder and heavier stuff than me, but I don't think that's anywhere near the average load. What we carried was oftentime around our own bodyweight or slightly less.
90kg would've been my body weight when I was in the German Army...that'd be a bit much.
"I usually keep more composure" You know, I find that rather hard to believe, considering you lost your temper in previous debates, and still rely on ad hominem attacks. Always stick to attacking a person's ARGUMENT, not themselves personally.
The closest this guy has been to combat is prob COD.....who cares about his opinion, those women are still doing what he's not,lol.
Biff not like women in mountain. It make Biff mad
Imho, not sure it was a good idea to upload this video. Hunter you just doesn't seem confident enough, because of agression
To be fair his contrahend had just one bad argument and shifted the goalposts when Hunter came close to scoring.
17:08 Never mind that the max load is over 100 pounds😂 Dude got completely cooked
Damn. Didn't hold back any punches. Based AF.
hell yeah, edgy hunter is epic
She’s not gonna let you hit bro
Alot of guys can't get over we have advanced past cave man level brute force fighting we have robot dogs with mounted turrets
15:24 👏🏻😭😭
Dang hunter, you go. Love it when prejudice is properly called out
I've heard that women don't have the same physical standards as men for the army as long as that is true then I don't think women should be in combat roles.
But you dont need to be strong to shoot a gun buddy. In a combat role being smart helps, and biologically women are smarter
@FemboyKaiSaku shooting a gun is not the only thing people in combat roles do. You have to have a lot of strength and endurance just because of the amount of equipment they need to carry. Men have more of both on average. Like I said if a woman meets the same physical standards I think it's fine.
@FemboyKaiSaku women aren't Smarter biological either. Something that a gender is better at though is fighting. Men have had to fight way more throughout history and being a good fighter has been a way bigger pressure on men so men have evolved to be better at it.
@@jacksonklark6119 so your argument is that there should be a specific strength requirement in the military, not "women shouldnt be in the military"
you acting like these military men are powerlifters. If there is no women, then there is less soldiers. So i guess you think, a slightly weaker soldier is worse than no soldier at all 🤔
@@jacksonklark6119 like that really doesn't make sense. You'd rather LESS SOLDIERS. Than SLIGHTLY weaker soldiers. That's ridiculous logic
I'm a full-on Trump supporter but even for me it's still entertaining to watch Hunter aggressively mock the audience call-ins
Well yeah, it's easy to clown on right wing animals
This host is Destiney but even more Gay.
That's why you like "DONGS" 😂😂😂
I could debate better than this guy and its simple. Women DO NOT belong in combat roles, easy as that. When you have a 6'4" behemoth who you absolutely require a mechanical advantage in order to deal with and that mechanical advantage is either A) removed from you. B) doesnt work or breaks. C) the man has a bigger mechanical advantage or D) you are separated from your mechanical advantage it doesnt matter how many masters degrees you have, you lose and are a liability
Congratulations, not every man is 6'4. Yeah a suitable woman can handle heavy weights, probably better than you.
@dalekrenegade2596 Not every man is 6'4 just like not every woman has the same sort of adrenaline response, high twitch fibers, red blood cell density and muscle control every single man on this planet does, even the feminine ones like you. An addition to your stance but correct me if I'm wrong but there was a controversial soccer match where both high school teenage boys beat out the women's international championship league and a long since retired men's team
Considering the far bigger problem the military is facing is a recruitment shortage, the advantages you’re talking about are negligible when looking at how modern combat is handled, and women have been shown to be able perform at the acceptable levels necessary to be effective in combat roles. Your view on how combat is engaged in is severely outdated and shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the situations.
Also the average height of American men is only 5’9” and globally that’s even lower. Based on your earlier arguments should men below 6’4” be barred from the military since they lack a mechanical advantage over those who are? (And some women are 6’4”)
@haosmagnaingram6992 No thry haven't, in order for women to enter the military we have had to consistently lower the entrance requirements since 1995. Also the first poster is wrong on just about everything as well. "Not all men are 6'4"" he's right about that, on average men are typically faster and stronger than women, that's why they lost to a high school soccer team
@@lionwhyte___2634
Just say you're jealous of women actually accomplishing more than the average Republican chud.
What Hunter failed to realize is all future wars will be decided by power lifting competitions.
Hunter, are you satisfied with going from millions of views per video to barely 5k
It’s called not being a grifter
I will always be more satisfied staying true to my convictions wether that gets me 2 views or 2 million views. Sorry I’m not a grifter chump.
@@hunteravallone
It's very telling these guys ONLY care about view counts and not actual values.
So heres the thing about Women in combat roles. The main demographic of the lower enlisted force is 18 to mid 20s ish. I was in between 2010 to 2021. I met some kickass ladys that outperformed alot of guys. However the military needs to make the best decision to ensure that their main function... warfighting is at its best. You take what is practically high school and college kids and make it male only. You have a team working toward a common goal. You have a co-ed job, right wrong or indifferent you introduce that high school lite experience. It is sooo detrimential to a unit. Now if youre pushing paper sure, alittle bit of office drama won't absolutely kill your function of your job. But for a combat MOS, miliseconds of not following an order or you making the correct choice can end both your life and others. That part of it I've never liked. I've had women in the military, both supervisors and suborianates, who were pretty solid but it doesnt change my view on women in combat jobs.
Also you cherry picked that marine stud. They found that the all male platoon massively outperformed the co-ed platoon. I cant imagine getting so worked up about a profession that you've never been in. Either way we cant put that genine back in the bottle!
Said the study was cherry picked yet didn't cite your own study.
@@dalekrenegade2596 It does not let me copy and paste hyperlinks in. Look up Marine Corp Co-ed unit study. Theres only one of them, the co-ed unit performed well in crew served weapons out of the many tests given. Look, there's no restricting women from combat arms in the future, that box was opened and its never closing. I served and I have an opinion, just like everyone else here including Hunter. But in general if you've never walked the walk its probably best to not have one about the inner workings of the Military.
Again, its done so whatever at this point.
MAGA King incoming!!!! Make way!!!
*facepalm
Debate a real person😂 dude
I would like if he went on debate panels
Was he talking to a robot the whole time?💀Also define real please 🤪
@@666MaRius9991 debating some prick online ain't like debating someone intelligent in person. This is some cowardly shit.
Conservatives can't argue
When did this r slur become Destiny?
most people in military are not "the average f/m" does he not know people weight lift, workout, and TRAIN TO DO THIS? plus women are way stronger mentally and have much better pain management.
@hunteravallone is there any way I can debate people like this guy