I've been looking forward to _Good on Paper_ for a couple -three months now, since first encountering _The Atlantic_ podcast series _We Live Here Now._ I really enjoy both, the former for the meaty topics sliced into understandable morsels, and the latter for diving head first into troubled waters. Nicely, nicely done.
Great episode! Boomers being more NIMBY because cities were generally in a pretty bad state when they came of age is something I feel like I intuitively knew, but it was nice to see it layed out so clearly. The most interesting part to me though was the kind of exploration of the "left-NIMBY" phenomenon, which I've observed in younger people but have never seen seriously discussed. It makes a lot of sense that younger leftists aren't really anti-density in the way older NIMBYs are, their problem is more with the perception that most new housing is built by massive corporations exclusively for rich people.
I have come to the conclusion that nimbyism is mostly about the local culture. I grew up in suburban Boston Massachusetts one of the worst places in the world for nimbyism and I work as a farm manager now in rural Northern New York where we have all the same New York in federal regulations but they simply never get enforced because locally in Northern New York no one thinks they should tell someone else what to do in their own land. Whereas in Massachusetts the default is of course as a person in the community I should have a veto as to what is built in my community. I was asking my neighbors in Northern New York if any of them ever get permits to build a new building or if they ever got any apartments to build their house everyone in my neighborhood said they never got a permit for anything and we all agreed that we do not have the right to tell someone else what to do on their own land. So I have come to the conclusion that it's actually not so important what the laws are on the books all that really matters is what your neighbors actually think fundamentally do they think they have the right to tell someone else what to do on their own land or not.
If we make more people the narcissists will require them to help make things worse. The important thing is not to make more people for the governments and corporations that are run by and can only be run by narcissism.
Everybody forgets about Gen X. After Boomers age out of the system, that still leaves an entire generation of people who are older, wealthier, and more neoliberal than millennials. Gen X has less power and influence than Boomers. But Gen X has vastly more power and influence than millennials.
I don't want strange neighbors looming over my house. I don't want loud people next to me. I am a NIMBY and damn proud of it. Single family zoning forever!
You think single family housing protects you from awful neighbors? LOL Loud, obnoxious people and their spoiled children are everywhere. And have you been to a HOA meeting?
You fundamentally should not have the right to tell other people what to do in their own land If you don't want any neighbors go buy a house in the middle of the woods like I did. I just simply don't understand why people buy homes in the suburbs or in the city If they don't like being around other people that's just moronic..
are you proud of the misery your selfish world view has brought? what the wars for oil to fuel your car? i bet you are auper proud of the housing crisis and the drive until you can buy crisis too.
@@jimmock1155 I'm in complete agreement, but they're not plenty smart. You gotta go all the way with it. You had the first part, where your mind was telling you that you're listening to a mildly precocious, personally ambitious, but otherwise exceedingly mediocre 15 year old girl, at least if you believe your ears. But you wouldn't take the next step. Then you'd look like a philistine. So then by default she becomes 'plenty smart'. She's not plenty smart, none of these people are, this new cohort of overeducated bimbos who are nevertheless distinctly intellectually vapid, taking over establishment liberal media. They're just academic strivers, with scholastic achievement, who are just as stupid as they sound like. And I don't think it bothers them at all. As long as they get the good job. Doesn't appear to bother you either, even though at first blush you can't help but notice it. And then you catch yourself and maintain etiquette. And her guest the Berkeley professor didn't inspire a lot of confidence either. This is what our meritocracy produces. It's why this country is collapsing, among other reasons.....
I've been looking forward to _Good on Paper_ for a couple -three months now, since first encountering _The Atlantic_ podcast series _We Live Here Now._ I really enjoy both, the former for the meaty topics sliced into understandable morsels, and the latter for diving head first into troubled waters. Nicely, nicely done.
Great episode! Boomers being more NIMBY because cities were generally in a pretty bad state when they came of age is something I feel like I intuitively knew, but it was nice to see it layed out so clearly.
The most interesting part to me though was the kind of exploration of the "left-NIMBY" phenomenon, which I've observed in younger people but have never seen seriously discussed. It makes a lot of sense that younger leftists aren't really anti-density in the way older NIMBYs are, their problem is more with the perception that most new housing is built by massive corporations exclusively for rich people.
I have come to the conclusion that nimbyism is mostly about the local culture. I grew up in suburban Boston Massachusetts one of the worst places in the world for nimbyism and I work as a farm manager now in rural Northern New York where we have all the same New York in federal regulations but they simply never get enforced because locally in Northern New York no one thinks they should tell someone else what to do in their own land. Whereas in Massachusetts the default is of course as a person in the community I should have a veto as to what is built in my community.
I was asking my neighbors in Northern New York if any of them ever get permits to build a new building or if they ever got any apartments to build their house everyone in my neighborhood said they never got a permit for anything and we all agreed that we do not have the right to tell someone else what to do on their own land. So I have come to the conclusion that it's actually not so important what the laws are on the books all that really matters is what your neighbors actually think fundamentally do they think they have the right to tell someone else what to do on their own land or not.
George Carlin has a good segment about NIMBY
If we make more people the narcissists will require them to help make things worse. The important thing is not to make more people for the governments and corporations that are run by and can only be run by narcissism.
Everybody forgets about Gen X.
After Boomers age out of the system, that still leaves an entire generation of people who are older, wealthier, and more neoliberal than millennials.
Gen X has less power and influence than Boomers. But Gen X has vastly more power and influence than millennials.
I don't want strange neighbors looming over my house. I don't want loud people next to me. I am a NIMBY and damn proud of it. Single family zoning forever!
embarrassing
I live in a single family home and have strange neighbors. Your thoughts reflect good fortune.
You think single family housing protects you from awful neighbors? LOL Loud, obnoxious people and their spoiled children are everywhere. And have you been to a HOA meeting?
You fundamentally should not have the right to tell other people what to do in their own land If you don't want any neighbors go buy a house in the middle of the woods like I did. I just simply don't understand why people buy homes in the suburbs or in the city If they don't like being around other people that's just moronic..
are you proud of the misery your selfish world view has brought? what the wars for oil to fuel your car? i bet you are auper proud of the housing crisis and the drive until you can buy crisis too.
Should have titled this episode “Over-generalizations without Citations”.
He's literally talking about his research.
Should have titled your comment "I'm stupid."
I'm sure you can look up his research papers from his CV
I have a hard time listening to this interview since one person sounds like he/she is a teenager.
Yea, well…..I know what you’re saying but it doesn’t take but a few minutes to figure out that they are plenty smart, whoever they are.
@@jimmock1155 I'm in complete agreement, but they're not plenty smart. You gotta go all the way with it. You had the first part, where your mind was telling you that you're listening to a mildly precocious, personally ambitious, but otherwise exceedingly mediocre 15 year old girl, at least if you believe your ears. But you wouldn't take the next step. Then you'd look like a philistine. So then by default she becomes 'plenty smart'. She's not plenty smart, none of these people are, this new cohort of overeducated bimbos who are nevertheless distinctly intellectually vapid, taking over establishment liberal media. They're just academic strivers, with scholastic achievement, who are just as stupid as they sound like. And I don't think it bothers them at all. As long as they get the good job. Doesn't appear to bother you either, even though at first blush you can't help but notice it. And then you catch yourself and maintain etiquette. And her guest the Berkeley professor didn't inspire a lot of confidence either. This is what our meritocracy produces. It's why this country is collapsing, among other reasons.....