Silent Amp Recording Torpedo Captor, Morgan Amp, Mooer Radar
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Superb demo, smartly done, well presented and great clean articulated playing to finally hear the differences. Nowhere else on the web, at all. iPad still can not appreciated how it sounds live but at least we can determine differences.
Exactly the set up I was looking for thank toy very much for making this video tutorial
Finally, the simple set up I was looking for!! This was the only video I could find that made it so clear without using massive computer gear. THX !!!!
Thanks for this video! Most of the other videos on the Mooer demonstrate it with heavier metal tones. It’s great to see the pedal in a different light.
THanks so much for this setup! I was looking for this exact Review! Great well made bro! Great sounds!
Thanks for the video. I've been thinking of getting this exact setup for myself but there's so many variables in the chain and no other video showed exact captor -> radar setup. Sounds great, at least for my personal needs.
Omg thank you, spent all day looking for this information…. Bunch of idiots on RUclips couldn’t get to the point at all….. but thank you so much 🙏🏾
Great video! Simple and clear! Some great playing as well.
great video. nice to hear some clean and low gain tones.
Sounds excellent! Thanks for posting this.
You don't need to have the XLR plugged in if you're recording from line out. Phantom power is only needed for the DI recording and using the built-in amp sim. I have the Captor 16 and ran into problems having both the line out and DI plugged in (usually when cranking gain), looked in the manual and it said you only need phantom power for DI so I unplugged the XLR and just took the line out into my focusrite and it worked great, no issues after that :) that'll free up a plug for ya ;)
I had the opposite problem. I had ground loops unless I'd plug in the xlr. I don't own this setup anymore (see new video of Captor X)
if the amp has a s/r you can also pickup the signal form send and use the mooer on the same way obviously bypassing the load box...I don't know if you can prepare a comparison between this setup and the other one...could be a great comparison to understand is the difference of use the complete amp and only the preamp...
It's different as with the load box you can drive all the tubes, not just the preamp section. This amp does not have a s/r. I don't think I have ever used that feature on any of my amps. Just me though!
@@gianni.chiarello the question was just to understanding if make sense to use the power tubes ...because at the end you will reduce the signal to a preamp signal....so...does it make sense amplify and attenuate? I don't know but I've some doubs on it..
Esta opción es viable para directos? Están vendiendo el captor X que vale más de 500 euros y la única diferencia grande que vemos es que funciona como cargador de IR s pero esta opción parece lo mismo pero más económica.
Sorry for the late question; I just came across this video. First of all, very, informative, thank you! Now, the question - is it possible to record two tracks using the two inputs as you have indicated, while not monitoring the non-IR track, if you will, so that you end up with one IR track and one raw, non-IR track? The idea is to be able to use different IRs on the raw track from the computer and get two cabinets going. I know you can do two cabinets with WoS in one input, but this way if you don't quite the IR you used, you don't have to re-do the track. Thanks, in advance!
Good Lord this is amazing.
Interesting… for the dry out (for IR use) we need to power the 48w?
Grande suono! Complimenti. Prova ad aggiungere questi due settaggi nell'eq parametrico: Freq: 110Hz, DB: +13, Q: 2.50
Freq: 12kHz, DB: +13, Q: 0.50.Saluti.
👍👍👍😃 well done !
Good video, thanks for the demonstration 👍
That's a great demo...thx!
Thanks for this demo! And great playing, really enjoyed the video. Got one question for you: Does Radar feel different than IR plugins, regarding lag while playing?
no latency at all
What is the cable that connects the computer to the radar mooer?
Sounds amazing!!!
Man... with two notes products, especially now the captor x that's coming out, i don't think i'll bother with microphones ever again. I'm sure mics can still record a tiny bit better but the gap is so small that I don't feel like it's worth dealing with loud guitar amps or hours of mic positioning or finding the perfect room setup anymore.
Have you noticed any significant tone changes with the attenuation? That's what i'm mainly worried about
¡Gran sonido! Gracias // Great sound! Thanks
I don't get anywhere as good tone as I've heard from anyone demoing, I even got it setup just like you and my tone is still "dead".
Guitar > Mesa Mini Recto Verb > Speaker output > Captor > Mooer Radar > Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 > Pro Tools first.
Could there be something wrong with the amp maybe? Never cranked it out loud and/or recorded that way, so I can't really compare, it just annoys me that my tone freakin sucks.
Kevin McDonald not quite sure without trying of course. There are many factors in play... Maybe tests with a different amp of you can borrow one or a custom IR on the Radar
Gianni Chiarello I only have one amp at the moment, so I'll have to check around. You think it could have anything to do with the tubes? I just realised I've had the amp for 3 years and never changed them.. (yes, it's okay to rage now)
What guitar and what pickups in it...
Hey Kevin. I've got the same issue with similar set up. Just wanted to know how it sounds when you connect the headphones directly to your radar. Mine sounds freaking awesome when I use headphones directly to the radar but the tone is lost when I connect the radar to my 2i2. My signal chain is Guitar>Pedal Board> Vox Night Train G2>Captor>Radar>2i2
Were you able to fix this? Is so can you please let me know?
Thanks.
Great video and great playing. I think this is the setup I want Thnx for posting.
One question why did you not use the Wall of Sound cabinet sims that come from free with the Captor unit? Is the Mooer Radar better?
nicen nice just a setup that does not need a computer. Wall of sound sounds amazing, but I feel the tiny bit of latency I get bothers me. This setup has no latency. Probably the hardware unit of wall of sound would be a step up from this with no latency.
Great demo. Beautiful playing. Are you using a speaker cable into the radar. Would I be able to go speaker out into the radar if I’m using an amp that doesn’t require a load.
Perfecto!
so you got a 1/4 to XLR from the Mooer into the Scarlett?
Could you tell me What’s the best way to use my pedalboard into my focusrite for recording in my daw I also want to listen to what im playing with my headphones do I need a Di box and or the Mooer radar ?
So are you using a TRS cable from the line out into the Mooer?
Yep
Hi,
Do you add any extra gain to the audio interface input?
nice playing!
Scusa sei italiano? Come hai fatto a fare gli IR da solo?
Great video sir. This is what I wanted actually. But I also have some boss distortion pedals. Can I connect them to the fx return of mesa mini and then crank it in 25 watt modern channel by connecting to captor 8 and the mooer radar for cab and can I record the overall tone directly on to Logic Pro X ?
That's oddly specific! Haha... I have no idea. I think you should be able to but don't quote me on this
@@gianni.chiarello hey that’s ok sir. But waiting to get these from stomp boxes. Can you record with the existing gears by playing some heavy metal riffs ?
A question : I have got the joyo American sound (instead the moer radar) and a soundcard straight to pc (recording with Cubase)... I'm wondering if buying a small tube head amp for having a more tube-like sound and if, I Need a load box or just plug the tube amp into the joyo. Thanks! *all just direct recording
You'll need a load box. Most tube amps can't be operated without a load (speaker or load box) plugged in.
Amazing sound and playing!
Are there any tunes featuring you?
thank you! yes I have two albums out, the are on spotify and everywhere else, go on the main page of my site to listen: www.GianniChiarello.com
Can I ask what type of cable you used to connect the output of the captor to the input of radar? Was it TRS to Trs?
I would like to know also. It looks like he's using a TRS to TS adapter but I'm not sure
Can't you just use the XLR out instead of the TSR for both applicationa
No, the input of the radar is jack so it has to be TRS.
Great sound!'
Is your scarlett AIF 3rd gen?
Every connection between the load box, mooer and audio interface is made using balanced cables? I’m asking ‘cause I tested the line out of my captor with unbalanced, long cable and it’s quite noisy. So, I usually use the balanced xlr out with the speaker sim bypassed into my audio interface. Does the radar features balanced ins and outs?
One last thing: I have the impression that as an attenuator the captor seems to scoop out the mids a bit... is it normal or you have tested more transparent and flat sounding attenuators? Thanks man
Only the line out requires a TRS balanced jack
Nice! As a beginner in the digital recording area, I would like you to explain to me which Two Notes Torpedo Captor function on the signal chain. It does not do exactly the same thing as Mooer, because from what I know, is it an IR Loader, too?
no, Torpedo is a Load Box ... Mooer is a IR Loader. Big difference.
What kind of cable are you use in line out (Dry) i have problem about noise, when i use line(dry).
stereo TRS
the Torpedo Captor manual clearly states that "The phantom or external power supply is not needed to use the LINE output" (page 14)
You just need a 48v Phantom Power (or a 9v to 24v power supply) if you are going to use the XLR output. The LINE output is always DRY (no CAB simulation) and does not need power supply. In fact, the XLR DI output is the ONLY feature that needs external powering. Everything else in the Captor - including attenuation - runs on it's own.
I appreciate the effort in making the video.. and the tones you got from that setup are amazing. I was curious to hear something like that.
But...
Read the manual the next time, dude. You've made more than 22.000 people get a wrong idea about the gear you were supposed to review....
LOL
May I ask where you got that convenient little stand for the Radar?
Michael Wilson just a mobile phone stand
Gianni Chiarello Ah smart! Thanks.
Sounds good. Just one question: why the need for the Mooer Radar? Couldn't you just host the IR in the Captor?
You can't do that. Captor is analog
Say hello to new Captor X!
Hi, I don't understand why a TRS cable is in the loop. isn't everything mono before and after the Captor? I have one arriving tomorrow
It's same as using a balanced cable like an xlr
Did you use a trs cable, sounded like you said you opted to not use use a trs cable, when you said the word `makeshift` I assume that means you were doing something beyond the Captors design. I am wondering if I need a TRS cable to replicate your set up?
I am going into a mixer which then goes to an audio interface, but cant use the DI out of the Torpedo since the Radar is 1/4 inch only. I just want to make sure when I run the 1/4 to my mixer, I am not losing Left or Right signal. Guess I am not understanding the need for the Torpedo to use TRS when everything is mono.
@@evankeal I used a trs but I said that as I made one myself instead of buying one
@@gianni.chiarello Thank You, it just arrived. Since I want utilize the Radar, I cannot use the DI function of the Torpedo and run XLR to mixing board, so I am forced to run 1/4 line out to the board from the Radar. It's likely I wont really hear a difference, but am I losing something by not having that DI connection out of the Torpedo, and instead using its line out?
For instance I used the Radar with a bass preamp for my bass rig and subsequently removed the XLR DI connection of the bass preamp to mixer path to do so, I came to the conclusion I liked the Radar sound through the line level cables over the DI connection .Thanks again.
Thank you for this great video. This will be very helpfu! I just bought a Two Notes Torpedo because I could never get a real tube amp tone with my Helix Native plugin, but I have a question; I would like to run the amp into my Logic Pro DAW and through Helix so that I can use the great many Helix effects, but not its amps. Can you tell me how you are doing this? Do you just create a patch with no amp of cabs? Not sure how to approach this.
Just use the helix like you would do with pedals, before the amp. Turn off the amps section. That's all
@@gianni.chiarello : Great! Thanks for your help!
Thanks for the video. But just one thing : actually, you don not need the phantom alim at all since you use the line out (TRS) for recording. The power (phantom via XLR ou power adapter (9-24 v)) is only needed when you use the build-in cab sims of the captor. THus, no power required even with the DI out (XLR) if you set the cab sim switch to off ;)
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+MaB yes but I find the ground loop switch works better when powered. Might just be in my setup
Gianni thanks for your video. I was hoping to pick your expertise regarding the most appropriate connection for minimizing noise floor:
You use a TRS connection with an additional XLR that is just there to power the ground (instead of an adapter without the XLR). Alongside that your output in the captor is about 50%
What is your input level in your DAW in DBFS?
I'm getting horrible noise with anything above 10% output in the captor. I'm also using the line in (instead of instrument) in the scarlett that's going through a VLZ4 pre-amp that works with a mic
Any pitfalls that come to your mind before I contact support? Thanks for your help
steamorfry I am not sure...i think this is all relatively new stuff that requires a lot of trial/error... Try following the signal chain and see what is that creates that noise
Similar setup. But I used mine without the XLR out and it hums like CRAZY.
Thanks for the great video. You cover all the infos without talking too munch or to less. Good job! I just ask myself how much do you attenuate the amp before you go into the mooer radar. For example my amp has already a load switch down to 1 W but I can not figure out from the mooer radar manual if this is too much for the input.
to be honest I am not sure...in this video the line out is at 50% volume, and I am not sure what that means in terms of attenuation.
Thx for the response. As far as my research gave me insights I think line level standart is 0 dBV. Thats a bit more than 1 mW. This makes sense sine the mooer radar can be fed by the FX send of any amp and the manual of my amp shows that the FX send is a 0 dBV signal. So you have to attenuate to line level from my point of view.
Beautiful guitar playing brother btw, keep it up
Thanks for the review. I have an additional question, what does it sound like if I have a drive/distortion pedal going directly into the radar and then out to DI/mixer/audio interface? Mooer's website listed it as one of the recommended connection but I'm skeptical about it. Could you also do review on this connection method? I'm currently looking into budget ways to use my IRs for live performance, hence the question. Thanks!
Samson Wong yes you can plug in a drive directly. It sounds fine. It's all about finding a IR that gives you a feel similar to what you're used to...needs a bit of experimenting.
Thanks for the help!
are you using the instr input on your interface? or line input? from line out of the load box.
You should watch the' video with your brain turned "on"...
Dear Gianni, I am looking for a good cab sim for silent practice and some home recording. I have narrowed my selection to the Mooer Radar (130€ new) and the Torpedo CAB (300€ used). Is the Torpedo worth the 170€ more?
I don't know as I don't own the torpedo cab. I think that's a lot more though as it's also a DI and comes with the wall of sound software
Can I connect the Raw or DI output from the amp directly into the radar without using a Load Box? You connected the speaker out of the amp to the LoadBox, but is the box mandatory if I go out from the Raw/DI output?
I think the raw output usually is line level (to go into a sound card so to speak) maybe the ideal would be to have something that gets t to instrument level...I doubt you'd need a load box, but do some more research, I'm not 100% on this.
Thanks!
What is the advantage of the mooer over just using the wall of sound software?
No latency and I don't need a computer
@@gianni.chiarello Why would the Mooer have no latency?
Hi, excellent video explanation of your setup - and killer tones! Really helpful. I have one question AND I DID read all the comments, the answer isn't there... Forgive my ignorance (I'm still new to home recording, miking etc.) but: WHY use the "dry" 1/4in line out instead of the "DI" out? What's the difference in this context? Thanks
I don't have any of this gear anymore, but I think I did that as I did not have an xlr to trs lead. Also I think the line out has a volume pot. The xlr is fixed line output.
@@gianni.chiarelloThanks for putting this up! So what gear do you use now?
@@claessorensson225 the new Torpedo Captor X. It has IR loader inside.
@@gianni.chiarello Thanks!
I really liked what you were able to do with the Moer. Does the new setup sound and feel even more authentic?
Sound great. Getting a Radar myself soon. Why the phantom power? You don't need to power the Captor if your not using the onboard cabsim.
Marijn Slot I noticed that when it's powered there is no ground loop hum. So maybe the ground loop switch is part of the active DI and needs to be powered
Gianni Chiarello Oh I see. That's weird. Ground lift also doesn't get rid of it?
Marijn Slot only if powered
u dont need the phantom power if u are only using de line out
André Bonolo I know but the ground loop seems to be more efficient when powered. Might just be my setup
ah ok
Hey man. To connect the captor into the sound interface do you use a normal instrument cable or a "cabinet" cable?
Del Rei Rock neither. I used a TRS cable and an xlr cable
Gianni Chiarello thanks man!!
You would never use a cabinet cable, because that is not screened.
Una domanda, mi servirebbe una load box per suonare senza cassa. Quindi in cuffie.
In che modo potrei poi registrare ?
Collegando il load box al computer come se fosse un microfono con un cavo xlr alla interfaccia audio. Tutto lì. Ti serve un programma per registrare tipo Reaper, cubase o logic.
@@gianni.chiarello mi sapresti consigliare load box, scheda audio senza spendere un occhio? Grazie sei un mito.
@@SlowDeath1993 dipende dal tuo budget... Focusrite 212 forse. Load box: two notes captor X.
@@gianni.chiarello vabbè ho capito di load box buone a meno di 200 euro non ce ne sono.
Io avevo visto che potevo cavarmela con la bugera ps1 e il mooer radar per gli ir. Ma non gli ho mai provati non saprei. Certo il two notes risolve tutti i problemi.
The captor 1 still great till righ now?
Both good. I have the captor X now
@@gianni.chiarello whats the differences?
@@BagusWibisono the X has the IR software inside and a lot more. Check their website
Really nice sound and playing. Could you tell us where you bought the custom IRs. They sound fantastic. Whats your opinion about Mooer radar?
Thanks I didn't buy them, just IRs I made myself either from cabs or programs I have. I might put a pack together and stick them on my site for download at some point...I'll post it if/when I do!
Oh i see, thanks for the reply, the best tone ive heard from cab simulations!!
Yeah amazing sounds. Any chance you managed to get this pack uploaded? Thanks for the vid
4:40
Sound great, but sounds like Hi Fi instead of tube dynamics.
less talk, more test
Audio/Playing examples are from 4:43 onward...Link to some IRs: giannichiarello.com/FREEBIES/IRs_GianniChiarello_com.zip
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Is all the audio the Radar and the direct signal from the captor combined? Would love to hear how they sound separated back to back.
not sure what you mean. the Mooer Radar is just doing the Cab Simulation.
Gianni Chiarello you have two channels going into the interface, 1 is the radar and 1 is direct from the captor. Which one are we hearing in the video?
Benjamin Fisher the xlr is just for phantom power as I say in the video
@@sagerequiem The Captor alone (without the cab sim or IR's) sounds like complete garbage
This amp with mooer is total overkill bro xd
This comment makes no sense bro xd given that the whole point of this setup is to use an amp you like without having to mic a real cab. The Mooer just houses IR's and allows him to use the Morgan in any setting for recording or direct to a PA live. This setup is perfectly suited to that amp.
@@trahnettilhcs yeah. Buy Morgan amp and refuse to pay for high quality IR loader like torpedo.