Mooer Radar Review - Custom IRs & Real Cabinet Tones!
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Today in Plague Scythe Studios, I finally get my hands on the ultimate successor to the Trescab, the Mooer Radar!
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Mooer are killing it at the moment. This and a micro pre seems like the ulimate backup rig to keep in your guitar case.
Congrats on 1K subs too dude, well deserved!
+Leon Todd Thank man, they are among my top brands at the moment for sure!
The new micro pre's should be interesting, especially if they add a Recto to the lineup!
+Leon Todd According to Ola Englund's video one is coming, day one buy for me!
I watched Ola Englund's demo of this, and even while watching this too I really love how Mooer Radar nailed it. It makes me want to get this pedal all for hearing different kind of speaker simulations.
+Timothy McKean They have been on a roll in the past year. If you have any use for a direct guitar sound, I would highly recommend this pedal.
Mooer is one of my new favorite companies. I've gotten 6 petals from them this year and have plans for 3 more in the near future.
Ditto, I would have killed for products of this quality and cost years ago!
Get all 15 😂
Recently bought this. Can't afford an Axe FX, and this is the best upgrade for me with my HD500. Since everyone knows that the weakest link on the L6 emulators is its stock cabinet IR's. Can't wait to try it out.
+ErostheEpic How do the effects and amp quality compare in your opinion? I've heard impressive recordings of that generation of Line 6 hardware, but every time I've tried one I sound like ass haha
Thanks for the reply! It's pretty easy to sound like shit on the Line 6 Pod HD500. Never tried an Axe of a Kemper, but I hear that the jump in quality is there going from a HD500. The amp models are okay for me on the HD500 (EQ helps), but the cabinet Ir's is the hefty bag of shit that breaks that camel's back. Those impressive recordings you heard of, most likely 90% of them use 3rd party IR's. Anyways, I don't record. I play live through my FRFR set up, and I don't want to spend more than 500 dollars just to use 3rd party IR's when going to my FRFR and FOH. That's why this Mooer Radar is a game changer for me for sure!
ErostheEpic quick question how do you hook the radar up to your FRFR setup? DI box then into mixer?
Since the Radar pedal has one output, and I need to get the signal to both my FRFR rig AND FOH, I'll have the Radar at the end of my signal chain - going into the Return of my effects loop on my power amp (FRFR rig now has the signal) then go from the power amps line out into the FOH mixer (Now the FRFR AND Front of the House has the Radar's IR's)
I still haven't received the Radar in the mail yet, but that seems to be my game plan. Now if I had a power amp that didn't have a line out, I'm guessing I would use an A&B Y Box to split the signal to route to the FRFR and FOH? Not sure if that'll work, but I'll look into it and test things out when I get it.
I´m seriously thinking in buying this one to use it with my Pod HD 500X but, would you recomend it? also i would like to know, how is your chain effects on POD HD made now? and how do you connect this to use it with your line 6 pedal? :) thanks in advance
+Plague Scythe Studios, Thanks for the review! Is it possible to control headphone volume separately from the main output volume?
Omg! Great bass sound too! Very impressive! Thank for this review.
+jair b' Thank you!
Awesome review, dude. Props for the info about it 😁
+Ashwin A.V.L Glad you liked it!
Ksr Ceres, mooer radar, tuner, delay/reverb mini pedal. Ultimate rig
Great demo sir. Can I use this radar to record with any boss distortion pedals directly on to Logic Pro X without any IR plugins installed on logic ?
I'm guessing you could simply save the factory presets to a pc or something else before you edited them/ replaced them? Great vid as always, my man!
Mooer Radar is awesome, although it was interesting to see the size of the wall wart power supply transformer for the Radar & Baby Bomb, wow they're HUGE!!! The only feature I would have love to see on the Radar would be a speaker through which would allow you to send the Radar's speaker cab sim ir to either your audio interface, pa monitors or mixing desk whilst still playing through your own guitar amp and speaker cabinet.
To achieve this you need something to split the signal, like a di box / y-splitter (e.g. Lehle P-Split II, Suhr Buffer, Radial Cab-Link, etc) or possibly an effects pedal with stereo output (e.g. Boss MS-3, Keeley Super Mod Workstation, etc) or you could jump up a lot in price to a Two Notes Torpedo Live which adds a load box for tube amps too, although the Mooer Radar and Two Notes Torpedo Captor would have been a much more affordable combo in comparison if working with tube amps
+Richard Williams Fortunately, Mooer makes a pretty affordable ABY micro pedal for just that application if you require it. The Captor + Radar would definitely be a great combination at less than the cost of most dummy load boxes.
Yes, they have a great range of pedals and cover almost everything you could possibly need for your pedalboard. Thanks for all your great informative videos mate \m/ Cheers from Australia
Any recommendations on software to create your own impulse responses to then load them into the Mooer Radar??? ... I know the commercial impulse responses out there will be far better than anything I can create due to the equipment they use to capture and sculpt the audio but I would like to muck around and give it a go at home anyway.
Starting off on the cheap (budget/value), I would most likely (yet to buy) use a Zoom U-44 for its price and wide range of connectivity for use with other instruments too and maybe a microphone like the MXL DX-2 probably used with a ultra compact cheap amp head and speaker cabinet combo, just to see how far you can push it to get a decent tone
e.g. Orange Micro Dark paired with the Orange PPC108 or paired with a Vox BC108 (trying to keep everything small and not too loud as I have little space in my home and don't want to play too loud, lol).
If I went for a valve combo, it would most likely be the Marshall DSL5C & Two Notes Captor 16 Ohm, as an alternative to using mics as a silent and low volume recording combo. I really do like the Laney IRT-Studio too for its simple reamping and silent recording option with its internal dummy load (loadbox) and low output mode for playing at more reasonable volumes at home.
If I was to get a different mic, maybe an Audix i5 or AKG C1000S to serve multiple miking duties from miking cabinets to vocals.
Now I just need some $$$ ... A GoFundMe page maybe, lol
Thoughts??? Thanks!!!
Nice review, make sure you're not peaking, the screen shows it with arrows.
+Idan Shahar Forgot to mention that, I keep the volume at 50-65% to prevent clipping.
Great Video!!! I intent to buy one, but I didn't find na important information: Manual says that it has a TSR output, but website didn't. It has or not a balanced output? Thanks again!!!
Hey man! Great review. Is this pedal noisy or hissy at all? How is the noise floor?
Practically nonexistent, it definitely doesn't impart any significant noise on its own.
great review! Just a heads up: you have digital clipping from 16s to about 30s. I think I saw this in other of your videos. It's better to have lower levels than try to maximise the gain so much.
+assemblywizard8 Thank you! Believe it or not, this was a post production screw up, not clipping. I recorded that section in 41100 Hz but rendered the video in 48000 Hz, which causes all that phasing and aliasing you're hearing. It took me forever to figure out why that was happening on older videos, and I forgot to use my normal Cubase project this video to keep that from happening. It was too late by the time I caught it...
+Plague Scythe Studios good to know it's solved! Haha hearing about aliasing and sampling gave me some bad flashbacks
I use custom IRs to make my quacky piezo-equipped Ovation sound like a carefully miked '61 Gibson J45...too cool!
Would you maybe be able to make a video loading custom IR’s? I bought some for the Radar but they wouldn’t show up when I tried importing them :/
In Mooer Studio, you need to click the little "+" sign next to a cabinet model. This will bring up a File Browser window to overwrite it with a .wav file.
thx for this information
THANK YOU SO MUCH I WOULD HAVE NEVER FOUND THIS!! they kept misleading me with import button
@@PlagueScytheStudios good day, mabe you have some cool metal tone IR for Radar ?can you share them with us )?fanks for job!
are you distantly related to guthrie?
I'm really happy with the Ibanez TS7 (boost) + AMT P1 (pre) + Mooer Radar (cabinet/EQ) + FRFR (power/speaker)
oktchau hey good day!!! Just want to know what cable did you use to connect on ur frfr speaker? Tnx!!!
Im defo going to use this with my boss katana
Great review!! If you are running any type of preamp pedals before the Radar do you turn off the preamp on the Radar or leave it on?
+smb1412 Thank you! As far as a "pre amp" goes on the Radar, theres really only a master volume control that I keep around 50-65% and adjust the output of whatever is going into it before it clips. I keep the power amp sim for a pre amp pedal but turn it off for something like an amp line out or the AX8.
So... would this be fine to record guitars & vox going right into a Presonus Firestudio ?
Would you put this before or after your Reverb, Delays, that kinda effect pedals? I would think it would be last in a chain. Just looking for some suggestions
Cheers!
+Khoi Trinh Really, there's not much of a difference. I prefer to use effects after the amp block and before that cab in the AX8, but putting effects after the cabinet doesn't change the sound in any perceptible way. To keep things as authentic as possible though, the speaker sims go last for me as a rule of thumb.
I told you that it was going to be a much better option than the Trescab ... I'm already pondering on how good it might sound having two of them running two different cab combinations, perhaps even user IR, after two different Mooer preamp pedals (a Friedman version is in the pipeline) and a TC Mimiq on top i.e. one single input then splitting into two different lines of sound ... and all in a pedalboard ... no more heads and cabs to carry along.
+Giancarlo Paolini I had no doubt it would be, but I'm glad I was able to personally test both! If you are into stereo rigs, that would be one hell of a setup for the size.
Hi and grats on your channel and reviews
You will want some type of pre amp simulation to run through your FX Loop for that application. However, if you have the model with 6.5" speakers, you won't get the full effect of these types of pedals as the high gain models are really intended for 12" speakers. It will still be a marked improvement though.
Thanks for the immediate response :D
Yes it is the 6.5" speaker one. I should mention though that the amp doesn't have a distortion channel. Just clear sound. Mentioning that detail, for your suggestion on putting one of the micro preamp pedals through the effects loop.
If this is still your suggestion, that means that my other distortion pedals should go typically in front of the amp, or also though the fx loop but before the preamp pedal?
Sorry for my questions but I am new to this and find your experience invaluable. Thanks again.
If you do go that route, you have two options (or a combination of the two). You can just use the clean channel of the micro preamp as your new clean channel, and run the rest of your pedals in front of that. Or, you could use An ABY box to split between the preamp in the loop and the clean channel of your amp with whatever pedals you have there. I would try the pre amp alone first.
Plague Scythe Studios Thanks again. Will experiment and see. Keep on with your amazing reviews.
So I'm looking for small rig that'll give me a massive sound live. Would I get a decent sound with a Mooer Radar pedal, a preamp of some sort, and my Double Muff Nano pedal (overdrive) into my Randall RX412 cab?
Actually the mooer preamp series have cab simulation built in, just hold the Ch button for a few seconds till it flashes and you are in the business
That's why I bought the Radar as well lol
The bass blues! lol! Great demo, though. :)
+Lukas Ohlsson Doesn't exactly have the same vibe in C lol
Would you say that this pedal s a good option for home recording for guitar and/or bass?
If you have an amp or a preamp: yes, it's the best buy you'll ever do! No more ram eaten by those plug-ins on the guitar or bass tracks, minimun lag achieved!!
very nice video..i have a question that if i use a radar then do i need to add a baby bomb 30 or the radar containing power amp will be enough for the tone...kindly suggest.thanks in advance
This or TC electronics IR loader pedal?
I was thinking to to buy this little beast for my pod HD500x for recordings, someone a setup like this? How it sound good and a full sound ?
So I just picked up one of these bad boys to go along with a Mooer Brown Sound. I am totally new to IRs and recoding so this may sound dopey, but, where would i go to get IRs?
I am just looking for something to start with. Paid... Free... Whatevs. I have been googling IRs and it seems a bit confusing as there are amp IRs and cab IRs...
Is there some place to look for someone starting out on this stuff?
The question is.... would you create an ir of the grind eq
Killer micro device, have the out a balanced or unbalanced signal ?? Thx.
Do i need a DI to send the signa to the mixer? Or just with a TRS cable?
+Adán Ruiz I sent the Radar directly to my interface without issues so you should not need additional hardware. If anything I could have used more volume before it started clipping, but nothing the pre amp in my interface couldn't handle.
Does your Mooer Radar heat up too?
Can you run a distortion pedal into this? And if I want to plug it directly to mixer, do I need a DI box after the Radar?
Have you tried that with the AX8?
Can you capture an amp tone with the IRs .. like the amp settings ..will the radar produce the gain and eq caputred.. do you even need the pre amp pedal?
This is an absoltely amazing guitar pedal, it saved my cheap fender mustand iii v2 amp from the dump! Stick this in line with an EVH 5150 overdrive and HD precision drive for super sick, modern tones
Would i be able to plug my guitar directly into the mooer mesa recto pedal, then the radar for ir , then a noise gate pedal, and have sounds through my headphones? No computer, speakers, mixer etc? Would JUST the pedals give me sound WITH HEADPHONES? Thank you
Yes, you would. I do this with a Flamma FS06 preamp pedal, with great tones. Should be the same with the Mooer Recto..
@@felipevasconcellos4662 just now saw this. Thanks bro
Are you able to connect your pedal board (wah, overdrive, distortion) to this mooer radar and thne direct to the PA, or you need to have a preamp pedal before?
The Radar only emulates power amps and cabinets, you need a pre amp sound before it.
what preamp would you recomend? would it work with something small like the bbpream pedal? whats the difference between a preamp pedal like the bbe or a drive pedal like the full drive 2 ?? thanks for answering btw.
Thanks GREAT!!!WORK!!!
Opinion in using the radar withour a preamp? Like guitar-mooer-di-foh ?
For a bass guitar? Sure. For an electric guitar? Noooooooo way. It would be like running your guitar through an amps FX Loop. You need some sort of pre amp sound
I guess for starters it could be easily combined with a line6 pod till I get this radar a little brother to work with
Hello, please help me understand how building a rig with this and the micro 005 preamp...what is the difference between baby bomb and the radar? Do we need preamp pedal if we have the radar? I would like a clearer understanding. thanks!
The baby bomb is a power amp to power a real cabinet. The Radar is a line level cabinet and power simulator that you send to powered speakers or to a recording interface. You still need a preamp for each.
So how would this work as a set up? can you use a Fifty Fifty, to this, to the Baby Bomb, to the cabinet?
Wait, let me rephrase that, where would other pedals work in, like Flanger, Delay, Compression, and OD?
Hi there ! I plan to use this Mooer Radar to play live, just before an FRFR cab. Has anyone done that before ?
+Stephane COQUERY Not personally, but it wouldn't be any different than any other amp modeler or impulse response loader so it should work great!
Thanks man.
I take any other advice, folks :-)
Since my last post, I've been playing live with this Radar, plugged into a Matrix FR12 cab. Works great ! I don't regret a single second. The EQ section is amazing too. I recommend it to those, like me, who are fed up carrying heavy tube amps.
Stephane COQUERY Sir may I know what type of cable do u use to connect the radar to ur frfr speaker? And do you know how to connect it directly into the PA?
Stephane COQUERY tnx!!!
What's the size/length limit on custom IRs?
+Plague Scythe Studios Does anyone here own one of these? It looks awesome. I've looked for reviews online & there's only 2- 1 says it's great, the other said it broke. Are there any problems with this pedal?
Anthony Sclafani idk I heard a lot of good reviews noting bad really, 1 or 2 got really bad problems, but the problems was on the software nothing huge, I think I could be a good buy
Hi , If you use this in a pedal board , would you put modulation and delay pedals after or before this ?
In theory it doesn't really matter for mono pedals. If you have a stereo setup though, you will want any stereo pedals after the Radar.
Plague Scythe Studios you answered exactly what I wanted to hear . I’ll get a radar to go in to a mobius and an ocean machine. Many thanks for the tip. :)
I can't decide between getting one of the pre-amp pedals or just get the mooer-ge200. Seems like the ge200 is like buying all the pre-amp pedals plus it has the IR loading ability.
+Crimson Ghost I guess it depends on what you already have. I wanted the Radar to pair with line out on my tube amps as well as the pre amp pedals, but starting from scratch the GE200 is a great buy.
Plague Scythe Studios I think the radar is perfect for someone that has an older modeler like the hd500 or eleven rack. The amp models on those are great but the cab sims are terrible.
thanks renaissance jesus!
Greetings, I'm guessing you'd tell us, but still I feel the need to ask. Have you noticed any latency with Radar?
Thank you very much for the answer.
Similar products like the AMT Pangea or the Torpedo CAB specs claim between like only 1-2 ms
+ExplosiveNotes My comment must not have posted, but as they said, the latency is basically nonexistent.
+Plague Scythe Studios Wtf :D I got the comment with you saying that you haven't noticed any latency headphones or through direct monitoring soundcard. So thanked you for it and now that comment / reply of yours isn't visible here.
+Dan Conti I know about those. Pangea 1.2 ms , Torpedo 1.7ms . I was just curious because Mooer doesn't mention latency in specs anywhere.
ExplosiveNotes, that is rather weird that its not noted. Gotta admit tho; Mooer is really upping their game recently. Their new stuff is pretty slick like the GE200, which could make for a huge price shift in the market of amp/cab sims.
So I am interested in buying a Peavey classic 20 mini head to use at my church. If I use the mic simulated direct out to the mixing board where should the this pedal go in my signal chain. I was thinking about doing guitar to volume pedal, wah wah, overdrive, in to font of amp. Then, delays and time based effects in to effects loop. Would that work, and where should the radar go? Or am I just way off with my whole setup? I've used a pod hd500 for so long I've almost forgot how to play through a tube amp lol please help!
+Luke Chandler This is where different direct outputs on amps get confusing, and I wish there was more of a standard. If your line out is already simulating a cabinet, this pedal isn't compatible. If it has a raw output though, or you have a load box with a line out to connect to your speaker jack, then this pedal is right up your alley. I have a newer video about using the AX8 with a real tube amp that goes into more detail on combining tube amps and digital gear for a direct sound.
Hi, i have some questions. If i use mooer radar do i need to use power amp like baby bomb? And where should i plug this? Is it send of the amp? Or return to to the amp?
Radar replaces the power amp and cabinet entirely. You use with line level gear, e.g. after a pre amp pedal or an amp head plugged into a reactive load box. There is no FX send or return in the equation.
So I’m confused. Can this be used the same way as the babyboom by just running the power amp?
If you used this with JUST a baby bomb, all you would get is just your guitars clean signal + (inserted Cab sim). You need a preamp at least for tone shaping.
If you load custom IRs (erasing factory ones in the process) is there a way to reset to the factory library?
I believe you can reload all the stock presets via the software linked in the description.
thank you@@PlagueScytheStudios
So could I use this in my signal chain somewhere to monitor a peavey 6505 with headphones?
Thinking of buying a Torpedo reload but won’t always want to have to connect to a computer to run a cab sim. I could always buy a Torpedo Live but it’s more expensive and seems to have a few less options...except it has built in headphones and can sims.
Confused.....
+James Hooker Do you want your amp to be silent? If so, you still need a load box with a DI line out (or without if your head has a line out already). Either way, the torpedo products include a reactive load so you don't blow up your amp, which adds to the cost.
Plague Scythe Studios thanks for the reply!
yeah that’s the plan. Has to be silent and will use the Torpedo as the load. Having big problems deciding between the Reload and the Live. Was thinking maybe I could get the reload to start since it’s cheaper and when I get sick of hooking it up to the laptop all the time, and the bank account recovers I could look for another option to add cab sims and headphone jack. Not sure if the Radar will work that way in this case or not though.
+James Hooker Have you considered the Captor? Even if you don't already have an audio interface already, a dedicated USB interface, Captor, and Mooer Radar would be a nearly 50% discount on the Reload alone. Unless you need the re amp features of the Reload, that would be what I would look at first.
Plague Scythe Studios yes also considering the captor. Which would put me in the same boat as the Reload and needing a headphone jack somewhere. I thought the load box worked differently in the captor though and was under the impression that the Reload might sound better. Any idea?
Can the mooer radar be placed after the power amp somehow or after the load box somehow so I can hear the amp ( headphones) and still have the appropriate load on the amp?
Ohh baby jesus!
Please, can the param eq be used by it self ?
Any of the features in the pedal can be used standalone or combined, with one exception. If you use a custom IR, the microphone modelling is disabled.
Hi. Would I need a load box if I wanna connect this pedal directly to a mixer?
Pretty much yes. The only way you wouldn't is if you are playing through a regular speaker cab and your amplifier has a direct line or "slave" output like Mesa and Friedman amps, then you can connect that to the radar.
@@PlagueScytheStudios mm something doesn't make sense to me at this point. I was checking the manual and it says that one of the ways of using the mooer radar is conecting a pream or the pedals first, then the mooer and finally the mixing console. What if I do it this way? and what could happen If I don't use the load box in that chain? Could the mooer be blown?
The key word there is preamp, not an entire amp head. A line level preamp pedal is fine, you can even use the radars power amp sim to good results. Plugging a 50 watt power amp into anything but a speaker load will fry it and destroy one or more components on the amplifier, namely the output transformer. Be sure to understand the difference between preamps and power amps before you buy something like this.
@@PlagueScytheStudios In fact, I have issues with carrying constantly amplifiers, even when they are small. And I bought the mooer 008 that you have, and now and I am planning on getting the mooer, but I have heard many times about the usage of the load box, wich, at least, sounds weird to me, but that is because I didn't see the difference between a preamp and power amp function of the mooer. With that being said, if I get the mooer with another mooer preamp, can I connect them to the mixing console and manage without the load box?
How would I use this with my mesa TC50 to my audio interface? I would just want the can sim.
You would need a load box between the amp and Radar. I have an Explained video showing what they do.
Plague Scythe Studios thanks for the reply. The TC50 has a built in load box for using DI. So my thinking is I could use line out into radar into my interface? I'm new to this and stumbled on your channel and this video. Thanks for your help.
If it truly has a load box, then you are good to go. However, I would still caution you as not all load boxes are made equal. The video goes more in depth, but if the load is not reactive, it will sound like shit.
The guys from Cradle of Filth went from Kempers to this and the micro preamp, probably the smallest rigs of professionel metal guitarists
If I played in that sort of metal band, I would too. The guitars are hardly front and center, and their sort of tone doesn't require boutique gear to achieve.
I paired it with a Mooer Gas Sation for guitar and its thick as hell, guitar rig that fits in my pocket , get the PC-Z connector ....
I want it for my bass guitar
Please review the fifty fifty (005). If you like 5150s, you will love it.
I am more of a Rectifier kind of dude, but I would check it out for free! Haha
Plague Scythe Studios I love Mesa too, but I got turned onto the Peavy stuff not long ago. If you like bright and brutal amp tones, it should be right up your alley (especially with a clean boost). If you do anything with extreme metal, you should have those in your arsenal.
I have a love hate relationship with 5150 and 6505 type amps. With a good impulse response and a tweaked clean boost, they can produce the ultimate metal guitar sound and feel great to play. But, so many bands use that same sound, and many others make the amp sound awful in my opinion, that I generally stick to Mesa amps or high gain plexi amps.
Much agreed. It's also why the mooer version of the 5150 is perfect. You can drop it into your pedalboard if you like, or leave it out. For 90 bucks you can't really lose. :)
Is it good for Bass?
its awesome on bass , especially the 8X10 Ameg IR. I use it all the time . Tech 21 SansAmp BassDriver preamp+ Radar , don't even need a bass amp to play live . Even my Behringer Bass Limiter/Enhancer sound awesome through it.
I suggest to play around with the Bass EQ on the Radar and tweak the mic/tubes on the bass preset and you will get killer tones on bass. hope this helps
So everybody seems to be superhappy with the audio results. Why, doesn´t anybody hear the dissonant intermodulations in the low frequency range?! I´d loose my hair getting along with this in a mix. Imagine three, four guitars layered with this grumbling "noise".....................
Welcome to RUclips compression my friend. Those artifacts aren't present in reality. A good impulse response will sound the same no matter what it's loaded on.
is there anyone here who can tell me where i can find the mooer studio software?
+Albert Houwaart I found it through a google search, but I will link it in the description when I get home!
thanks man because the download on the website seems to be a firmware update for the ocean machine
How do you think this would compare to a Two notes Torpedo CAB?
Well, for Two Notes sake I hope the CAB beats the Radar. A CAB will cost about €300-€350 more. You get more features but does it sound that much better?
I would love to see a comparison between different IR loaders. The Mooer Radar, GFI CabZeus, Two Notes Torpedo CAB and the AMT Pangea would be a nice line up.
Maybe add the Neunaber Iconoclast as a non-IR alternative.
Great little pedal and cool review. I'm just not sure I'd trust Chinese software (i.e. the Mooer studio software) on my PC though... at least not without running it within some kind of sandboxing software to prevent it accessing my PC and the internet.
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