I believe that being unable to get consequences, people are more meaner and meaner. I expect people to be better but the internet brings the worst part of humanity.
I would like polite suggestions on things and not be verbally attacked by those who think they are great. I remember this artist lady who mocked other peoples art on RUclips and she acted like she was the best artist ever (I forget her name).
@@panicclinic jackie droujko does art critiques that are actually super polite and constructive. And pieces are submitted by viewers so it’s all consensual
Same thing with "I am just honest". No one has to be mean to be honest, one can be honest and nice about it. Poeple are losing the ability to be kind and this is really sad.
Having been on the Internet since the 00s, I can confirm that people using 'criticism' as a shield for bullying is sadly nothing new (it was everywhere on fanfic sites for instance)
When critiquing art: Pose questions. Don’t pass judgement. Suggest opportunities. Don’t find fault. Keep it objective. Don’t make it personal. Be clear. Don’t be vague Build them up. Don’t tear them down. Be Altruistic. Don’t be egocentric. Be cooperative. Don’t be adversarial. Help the artist improve. Don’t belittle the artist.
Agree tbh, I hate it when people bully someone else's art for no reason, that's just so annoying tbh, I just hate it like hell bro, like, WHY?! Why in the flip would YOU yourself who's a regular human being bully another regular human being only because their drawing seems less good than yours?! They're just learning! I mean WTF?!
@@muhammadredo771 how do you know the bullies aren’t actually worse at drawing and in their tiny brains the only way they can think of to be better than someone with more talent than them is to bring them down?
I received mean and hate comments only because my art looks "childish". I just recently really tried to improve, for most of my childhood I only to drew for fun , and because of that my improvement was really slow . Some people act like age is some magical factor that automatically makes you better at drawing. People don't consider that everyone have different personal situation on how fast they can learn, how many money and time they have, mental state of the artist and other factors.
The people who criticize just to put other artists down, especially young artists, are either people who don't actually draw or obnoxious artists who seem to have forgotten they all started as beginners
in reference to your arm comment, I had an art teacher in college who once told me that "it doesn't have to be right, it just has to look right" meaning that to regular people who have never studied anatomy, when we draw it correctly as it should be to them it will look wrong...
I found your channel through another RUclipsr, John (yes, that's his handle.) It's so nice to find an Artist on youtube whose commentary is so on point. I try to be as helpful as possible with my critiques. Often taking an hour or more to write them up. I also follow the Critique Sandwich. 1. Say something nice about the piece. 2. Explore suggestions to help them improve. 3. End with something else that they did right, or if they hit one of their goals. I don't know why anybody would want to hurt others. That second point is also so very true. It's easy to say the wrong thing when you don't know what the person is looking for when it comes to critique. Knowing what their goals are and knowing what they're looking for is HUGELY helpful to providing useful critique or criticism.
Demanding critique sandwiches is why people don't give artists advice. People want to just tell the artist what the problem is, not have to constantly stroke their ego.
Once someone criticized how I draw eyes because rhey thought the overly anime eyeshiney eyes on my art style looked unsettling. I agreed that it did look uncanny and took a different approach by using dot eyes instead. I'm honestly thankful for the criticism because it improved my style significantly
Something that’s missing is also context: What was the context in which the work was made (i.e. How was it made and with what tools)? And what was the work designed to communicate? A lot of the internet focuses purely on how the art made them feel, without considering if that’s what the creator wanted them to feel (re: fans getting mad about being romance-baited when that was only their interpretation of the onscreen relationship that the creators had no intention of following up on). Or they ignore whether or not the limitations of the art (especially in animation, 3D and interactive art/media) are actually limitations of the tools (i.e. the limits of rig-based animation in either 2D or 3D). Or constraints on the artist which get passed down to the work (i.e. artists either working on a deadline, or working within the margins after their non-art-related day job). Sure, the audience shouldn’t have to consider those things when consuming the art mindlessly, But if you do want to offer critique or constructive criticism, it absolutely needs to be taken into account, because sometimes, your beef is with something/as a result of something the artist has no power to change at all.
One of the hardest things I had to do, when I was a art instructor for public schools, was to tell a young child that something about their drawing was wrong. Students (grade 2-6) take all criticism as an attack, even if it is constructive and it's like walking on eggshells to give them good advice.
Some people just can’t seem to understand that you shouldn’t leave criticism if the artist doesn’t solicit it! I have a compliment though, the shade of blue in Celestias’ hair! It’s utterly gorgeous and I love the way the light reflects off it!
-Have work sent for critique. -Get answer: Lacking speed & confidence in linework. -Throw up hands! Like what i am i supposed to do? Go fight a boss, gain XP and put points to the "Confidence" stat ?!?
20:51 artists not knowing how to receive constructive criticism is actually very common. I see it all the time among younger artists, they feel pressured to accept it because otherwise they told they are snobbish and entitled. Its sad that we cant just let artists have fun, especially kids
3:59 To me, the whole "This is critique that you should be grateful for", sounds like the same nonsense creeps give when catcalling, the "It's a compliment, be grateful you [Insert derogatory insult]". It's just nastiness that they are unhappy about being called out for
One of the things that irks me the most with critique is when I'm only asking for something like lets say "does this light source look correct" and they end up critiquing the color palette... Can we please normalize if it isn't already that when we ask for help on one specific thing we don't want critique on anything else?? It might be overwhelming depending on how much is critiqued on when not asked
ZZZ releasing Jane Doe definitely made a lot of “critics” come out the woodworks just to say “goonerbait” for easy likes and leave. No actual opinions on any aspect of her design or writing, just “lmao goonerbait” I’d say the same goes for “Bro only draws one body type 💀” cuz that’s only actually meaningful to artists that specifically want to learn tons of body types And this goes for “Fixed it for you 😊” posts too
Real bc Jane looks so good + everyone agreeing she has a femme fatale theme is so amazing to me And yes. Im trying my best to draw more body types (such as plus size) and i dread for that day i get that comment And THANK YOU!! I personally dislike “fixed it!!” Bc its harmful plus could make the artist feel upset because its THEIR ART! Not the person whos fixing it! If they did anything wrong, they couldve just pointed it out nicely!!
I feel like "art critique" brain rot garbage from PKRussl and other creators in 2016-18 damaged a lot of people's relationship with real criticism. It didn't matter if people were asking people like him to "critique" their art and animations, he still just shit on young artists and told them to get good 😭
This was a really great video. I think another important point about criticism/critique is being specific about what you want critiqued because sometimes people have stylized art where they illustrate a person or animal with visually unrealistic characteristics (like anatomy for instance) and some people will offer criticism in reference to what they think should’ve been more realistic. I remember back in school when I was seen drawing, sometimes people will ask me, “Why are the eyes so big?” (Since my art style was influenced by anime). And I’m like, “Same reason why Mr. Crocker’s ear is on his neck.” Sincerely, a Single-Celled Amoeba
I had a friend online once ask me for critic on their work. I told them what was working and what I felt was not working, and what they could do to work on it. I tried my best to be nice about it, but they singled out one negative word out of the whole paragraph and blew up at me and blocked/unfriended everywhere. Later I found them talking to some other people in a forum. They didn't say my name, just said that they got critique on their art and blew up at that person, but they had been trying out what was suggested and found it was helping. I responded in third person, "I'm sure the person would be happy it helped you out." They DMed me and apologized. 💙
This is always the one thing that annoyed me when people will "critique" someone's art like actually critique them and give them helpful information not insult their art that's two completely different things
WOOOAHHH I got here way earlier than usual. Already interested, I'm always interested in the critique discussion since it's literally part of my art class. We're encouraged and taught how to properly critique art without being nasty or nitpicky.
I was always taught when giving critique to always start with a positive of the piece youre critiquing then give a way the artist can improve whether it be by expanding on the positive or focusing on a different aspect of the piece. I automatically zone out when i see some of these people online say something negative about an art piece or dont at least add a way to improve the piece. Its honestly kinda frustrating that people have been doing this so much recently.
I feel like when Concord bombed spectacularly, we got a HUGE wave of artists, pro and amateur alike, who came out of nowhere to critique the game's character design. While some of them truly were constructive and criticized the bureaucracy that allowed subpar designs to be finalized, I found way too many of these "critiques" insulting the actual artists themselves on top of doing the classic "Here's how I'd fix your designs" faux pax you've mentioned in a previous video. Ironically, the "fixers" seemed to have misunderstood the aesthetic that Concord was trying to go for and ended up creating mediocre generic sci-fi designs that were "better" because of stronger silhouette or a clearer role purpose (rocket girl now has wings, etc.) It just felt like a mean spirited way of kicking a dead horse while it was down while boosting their own ego. I honestly had to dig to find artists that didn't blame forced diversity or DEI as the reason the game bombed.
Pretty much the only vid of the sort I ended up watching was 3BSkyen's vid on Concord's designs, which I can only assume was the most good faith. His main gripe was that the designs don't really communicate enough about the characters themselves or their personality (another reply I've seen said the characters could have benefitted from proper posing, with several more saying that the designs looked like they were designed for a more cartoonish-looking game ala Overwatch or Fortnite and just didn't translate well to a more realistic-looking style). And admittedly I feel there's a difference between criticism of a more professional work for commercial consumption and just riffing on some indie artist's OCs.
I don't think it's fair to look at criticism of a commercial product the same way as criticism of a hobbyist artist sharing their work on social media. A commercial product is made to be sold, in the case of concord by a trillion dollar company, and people should be allowed to criticize, mock and judge it all they want. Personal attacks on individual people working at the company is obviously not appropriate, but criticizing the end product presented to us is 100% valid, even if it's not constructive
@@E107J Oh I'm not doubting that, and the character designs from Concord DO deserve its share of scrutiny: they are watered-down, unappealing, and unclear to look at. I was only stating how mean-spirited a good chunk of the criticism I came across was and how many of said critics felt the cruelty was justified because the game crashed and burned. Shaming the devs for being saddled with a crap project is uncalled for no matter how professional and public the project's downfall is. And let's be honest: blaming DEI bad character design as Concord's worst sin is ignoring Sony's sheer incompetence on all levels of marketing and development. This goes double for those who are just stomping on a dead project to boost their egos.
"Ironically, the "fixers" seemed to have misunderstood the aesthetic that Concord was trying to go for" This aesthetic resulted in the game being taken offline after 2 weeks. Failing to use a better aesthetic would be a major error on behalf of these "fixers". "ended up creating mediocre generic sci-fi designs" As opposed to the terrible designs that caused the game to fail. "that were "better" because of stronger silhouette or a clearer role purpose" Both do improve these characters, so the fixers have succeeded. Especially in the latter case because it makes the game easier for new players to understand. "I honestly had to dig to find artists that didn't blame forced diversity or DEI as the reason the game bombed." Then you missed out of most of the reasons why this game bombed. You can't simply ignore reasons because you didn't like them when they did influence why this game failed due to low sales. Also most players only sustain these types of games by buying skins for these characters they find sexy or awesome looking. So having too many fat and ugly characters would be a major reason why it failed.
One thing that is more frustrating about critics is have someone who isn't an artist themselves and don't provide a solution in ways to improve or how to improve your art.
I want to bring up the debate over unsolicited criticism because I can see both sides. I post my art online under the assumption that if it's public, it can be criticized, and I think that anyone posting content publicly should expect both positive and negative feedback. However, asking before criticizing someone's art is the more polite thing to do. Some people see unsolicited critics as assuming they know better than the artist, or see it as disrespectful. Whether or not you're ok with unsolicited criticism is a personal preference. I personally don't care if someone gives me unsolicited criticism, but there's no harm in asking, and it's the simplest way to avoid unintentionally upsetting someone. I don't think it's objectively good or bad-it's a matter of opinion, and if someone does not like it, their opinion should be respected.
I tend to mostly watch your videos for the commentary since I can leave it playing in the background while I'm drawing, and it's very informative/your voice is pretty soothing. That said, woa, the shading is insanely good on this! I love it!
Imo critique is best when you end your criticism with something you think is really good with the artists piece. Balancing your critique definitely helps the artist feel as though you're not insulting their piece
This really depends for me, if I see someone actively struggling with something and they state so or discuss it in their description, post or video, I'll normally politely and supportively direct them to the info/resources they need and give words of encouragement, but won't critique them. If they ask for critique then I will do so in a constructive and nice manor, also providing resources. I'll tell them the good and then the areas for improvement, and normally follow it up with encouragement. I think people need to step back and realise unless someone indicates they're struggling or asks for criticism they should mind their business, and depending on what they express, depends on the support you should provide. Regardless of this always approach it with a positive spin and leave it on a good note. Critique isn't to put people down, it's to rise them up. To me taking the time to critique someone's work in a kind way is to be invested in them and to want them to grow. Tearing them down just because you can is just pathetic and sad. I'd rather see a 100 more good up and coming artists with confidence in themselves, then a 100 miserable artists that give up. I think people fail to realise art is culture, and the more people that do it the better! The point is to exchange culture! That and you'd be surprised the amount beginners do get right, and a lot of early critique is just gently redirecting them.
Hot Take: Unsolicited criticism, even constructive is no better than an insult. If you are assuming you know better than a total stranger who did not ask for help... It's still pretty insulting and unnecessary. There are plenty of places on the internet where people are actively looking for critique. It's not your place to give random "constructive critique" to strangers. How polite or "correct" you are is irrelevant.
I agree so much, its like they assume the person who made the piece didn't know they made a bunch of mistakes. Only an egotistical artist would not acknowledge their mistakes.
ok real hot take here: if you post your art online people should have the right to voice their opinion on it. Construction criticism or fair negative feedback should not be considered as a personal insult. Think of movies or books, should directors/writers take every negative feedback as an insult? Even if it is a song on RUclips that musicians post that everyone can hear for free, should they take it as an insult when music reviewers give them negative constructive feedback unprompted? I don't think so cuz every music reviewers are doing that
@@idkwayta1722 Yea thats a shitty hot take. Constructive criticism are made so a person can improve. If it's no better than an insult these people will more of just stop doing the thing and their growth stops, ie the opposite goal of what proper criticism is supposed to do. And when the artist was thoroughly discouraged that they stop, these pricks would jsut argue theyre weak and only getting 'good critiques' was putting them in an echo chamber. Which is honestly an idiotic and a spineless takeaway by the 'critic'. You say randos have the right to an opinion on anything? Even if theyre not asked to? Sure then I say these people who think like this are a bunch of pretentious cowards who more of look for an excuse to be assholes and not be called out because theyre jsut twying to be 'helpful critics' Also Idk how to break this to you but movie makers and musicians having to take insults is never helpful. Theyre all jsut forced to take it because realistically you cant punch people for their shitty unsolicited takes. But it doesnt mean that should be the actual norm. I mean I doubt these 'critics' be able to even take a fraction of what they carelessly dish out to actual creators. I dont think people should just insult online posts just because theyre not at slapping range. It doesnt help at the end of the day, these people have no fkin spines to say it in person too.
I absolutely HATE that (mostly) non artists have so little respect for us actual artists that they'd - 1. Assume we even want their uninformed, useless opinions on our work. 2. Will be grateful for unsolicited and unhelpful 'critique' from people who don't know what they're talking about. 3. We are the 'bad guys' when we do not react positively to their irritating opinions being foisted onto us when we're just sharing our work online/drawing in voice calls on Discord etc. It takes two seconds to ask someone if they want your input and it is perfectly okay for an artist to tell you no. For me personally, I have a great support network of artists who are more skilled than myself who will give me constructive criticism that will actually help me improve my work. I'm all for positive suggestions when people I don't know ask me if I want their input when I'm drawing, such as different colour choices, interesting directions to take the clothing/accessories/hairstyles etc of the characters I'm designing, new techniques I may not be aware of. Unfortunately a LOT of people online (both non-artists and artists) are wilfully ignorant when it comes to how to offer constructive criticism. It's honestly embarrassing (for them) that they cannot fathom that artists do not want/do not benefit and often do not need their input. Insulting someone's work and then hiding behind 'I'm a minor'/'You posted it online so you should expect opinions'/'No offence, but...' is so incredibly immature and helps absolutely no one improve their work/feel motivated to continue drawing/allow artists to enjoy sharing their work with others. Imo do not: 1. Give unsolicited critique. 2. Ask artists snide 'Why did you draw x like x?' questions. Nitpicking is so gross and unnecessary. 3. Attempt to frame insults as critique and then backpedal or double down using the 'excuses' detailed above. Tact costs nothing and not all opinions (especially negative ones) need to come out of your mouth.
There is no constructive criticism of art, because art itself is subjective and depends on personal traits, personal tastes and subjective error tolerance.
HOLY SHIT, ARE YOU UPDATING YOUR WEBCOMIC?! (I'm excited, btw) And when I think of stuff like art criticism, I end up thinking about my grade school (k-8) art class... And how much it sucked I can't remember if it was just one year or not. But our actual Art teacher, was like. Quadruple booked, and couldn't teach art. So we had a different teacher... That openly admitted, that he knew nothing about art And this teacher, loved to pick on me (and not just in art, but that's not relevant). He would constantly take what I was working on, without asking me, and show it to the class and ask what's wrong with it Ended up losing, basically all interest in art after that, for a year or so. And didn't start being interested in it again, until I learned about the furry fandom
Exactly! I'm always forget about I'm draw the correct always best I can. For me I'm personally! I don't care people don't like it my type style version and blah blah blah blah. Like who cares and deals with it! Also. Keep up the good work with your content!
I think a major cause of this debate is that a lot of American/European artists assume that other artists share the same cultural background as them as they start arguments on this topic. Like a lot of countries, mine included, outside of the west have very tough standards, particularly in education. So a lot of times these arguments stem from a combination of a culture shock- i.e. words sounding agressive in English and people being surprised to see somebody with a tone of mistakes in their art having a following. Plus a lot of things that sound rude to anglophones sound normal in other languages. Again I do see a lot of American artists decking it out between each other, but I don’t have experience to comment on this issue. I just get frustrated when people from countries with different cultures get labelled as toxic
Allow me to play Devil's advocate here, and say all critiques are good critiques, and how you react to them is what matters most. Not saying you should be a jerk online, but that the jerks can be right regardless of their colourful language. FNAF wouldn't have existed if it wasn't for that one reviewer bashing one of their previous games after all. In fact, as someone who's lived through this, I find no critique to be even worse than bad critiques or even bullying. Most of the time I didn't have a clue what I was doing right or wrong when I was learning to draw, and nobody was there to tell me anything regardless of how loud I shouted to the heavens. Also telling the internet to behave is as good as telling a 5 year old not to steal cookies, it's an impossibility. Lastly, I find it kind of ironic how you practically bashed someone's constructive critiques just because they didn't know you were part skeleton. Give the person the benefit of the doubt at the very least, it's not like double-jointed and bony people are a commonality. Plus, I myself can do some wacky stuff with my hands, but I purposely restrain myself when I draw because simply put: it doesn't look natural. Not saying you shouldn't draw like that (I'm not your boss), but that you should expect a bit of traction from that abnormal look.
I disagree with a few points: 1) as soon as something is public (for example posting an art publicly on SNS), it is open for criticism (is there rly a different between that, ant the french borrowed word critique, in english?), also just feedback, comments, interactions, and depending on the country, it submits to fair use - so there is no "but i didnt ask for it boohoo" kind of thing. at least to me, no pity there. if u just want validation, just do it privately or in a closed group. and if you do post it publicly, ur always free to mute/block people. 2) critique does not have to include a solution! otherwise, for example, teachers give only ever de-constructive critique by just using a red pen to mark, circle, cross, underline, whatever is wrong, without actually putting in the correct thing I believe this to be part of entitlement, which I sadly see coming from such parenting. They "sht" every solution for their kid and they don't have to figure things out for themselves. 2b) this also goes into the part where u use the "uninformed" term, as if ppl with no art background aren't allowed to critique art. if I tell you "this eye looks off somehow", then it's also critique. I don't need to be able to put my finger on why that is, i don't need to give you suggestions or solutions, and i aslo don't need to know technical terms or anything, in order for it to be a critique. And yes, even if someone tells you "i dont like your artstyle" it is critique and has value (depending on what you want to do). For example if you find out 80% of those who see your art, dont like your style, but you want to eventually be able to appeal to the masses, it might be an indicator that something needs to change, or u need to scratch that goal. 3) this is a general thing, but i dont believe the choices of words needs to be changed if its critique. Just because someone can't handle words they deem "bad" or "hateful", doesn't mean this isn't exactly what that person means (unless ofc, it's one of those ppl that just randomly uses and redefine words as they please). At least for me when I say something i mean exactly that. When I say skyblue, i don't mean royal blue. If I say something is shit (which is short for something is like shit, similar to how one say "morning" instead of the long "i wish you a good morning"), then i mean the art (to me) is like shit, if i say garbage, then I mean garbage, if i say gold, i mean gold, and if I say diamond it's diamond. If someone takes (only) certain words as a direct attack, then that is on them. if i find your art garbage, i mean ur art, not u, for example. Tho I guess this might be just me xd
I disagree with your points too, let’s discuss. 1. This is more of a question, but if someone specifically says they are not open to critique shouldn’t you respect that? I think you are approaching this from a legal standpoint when we should be approaching it from an ethical standpoint. 2. I think critique should provide a solution, and I don’t think that has anything to do with entitlement and more like how am I supposed to grow from this critique if I have no idea what I did wrong? The ‘Parents are high and mighty and supreme declarers of justice’ argument has always rubbed me the wrong way too. 3. Uninformed people can provide harmful critique too. For example someone who thinks that the eye might look off might not have an understanding of anatomy and might only know their stylistic choices. I think that‘s what Celestia is getting at. 4. People should try and be decent and if something you said hurt someone, that’s all that matters and you should apologise anyway? (Which seems like basic preschool stuff to me) That’s just the way I see though so if you’re willing to debate about it that’s cool.
1. So by that logic, people can critique your every online move then? Because that sounds like a crappy excuse to be an unsolicited asshole. 2. Yes it fking does. Especially if youre a teacher because the student is there to learn, you moron. People who ask for it too also mean theyr looking for parts ti improve on, and nit just a chance to be insulted randomly. 2b. Styles are not objective. This is why unsolicited critique are worthless. You act as if style changes are easy to do and you can reasonably demand them. No you asshole, if the person doesnt ask you, it means they dont trust you to give them a helpful comment, shut your pretentious mouth and stop being a pretentious ass. 3. Also again no, you keep giving excuses to be an ass while trying to avoid being called out. This is why you shouldnt ‘critique’ unless asked since the artist would need to trust you n yiur words first. This doesnt mean that this will oush an echo chamber scenario, especially if it doesnt affect others personally. From this reasoning, it iis just you. When your reasons of critiquing is to be able to insult people on the internet under the guise of being ‘helpful ‘ despite not being asked for it and getting mad that you cant just ‘ critique’ randos, youre a certified spineless and pretentious asshole.
Ngl? I'm just wondering why ya'll keep using the internet when you're starting out. . . . It's like. . . . What are you REALLY expecting? If you're a rookie, you aren't gonna blow up. If you're a rookie, people famously treat you like shit. If you're competent, people recycle your shit for "content" and there is nothing you can do about it. If you're a rookie, or competent, you get overlooked for popular artists. Then there is the other side of that coin : Suppose your art is just bad. Like that person who took Oda's drawing of Nami and "fixed" it by making her fat, hairy and ugly. But people who align with this due to ideals praise you. Are you even an artist or a cult member / propagandist at that point? My point is: Stop giving these people access to your shit so early.
I think it‘s that dopamine hit when someone actually isn’t a piece of shit and compliments your art or actually asks if you’re open to criticism. I love posting my art online despite of what you mentioned in your comment. I think instead of just avoiding the internet altogether we could focus on making the internet a better place. But really, I‘m 12, I‘m not very eloquent or good at getting my thoughts onto the page in any way. I like a good debate though, so that’s my very personal opinion. :)
“What are you REALLY expecting?” I don’t know maybe not getting bullied for posting art sounds insane I know, you know maybe instead of encouraging beginners to stay off of social media you should try focusing on being a decent person
If someone wandered into an interest in foraging and found a corner of the internet dedicated to that interest, would you find it to be normal and expected that the experienced members there to call someone terrible at foraging for showing off the hand-full of berries they found instead of posting god-tier delicious wild mushrooms? No. No you wouldn't. You'd expect them to congratulate the newcomer on getting out there and finding some raspberries. If someone realized that every single one of their math teachers was crap through their younger school years and they did actually have a love for the field of math, would you expect that the math nerds would call that person too stupid to learn after demanding they demonstrate PHD level of instant comprehension once finding the math side of the internet? No. No you wouldn't. You'd expect the math nerds to be happy that someone had found their love of math after being left out in the cold, and to help that person get along in their studies when that new math nerd asks questions. If someone had an interest in working on cars and only just now had enough money to get an old beater vehicle to poke around in, would you expect mechanics to mock that person out of the interest for not having the money to get high-end tools right off the bat once they joined a mechanic's social site? No. No you wouldn't. You'd expect the mechanics to welcome that person in, and offer conversation about this person's plans and progress. And, if asked, they would be more than happy enough to let this person know what budget tools are worth the money and use their experience to make this go smoother for the new person. Why is it, then, that _this_ specific interest is something anyone should EXPECT to be hazed for trying to be a part of? You wouldn't expect that, and you shouldn't be out here telling people that it's on them for not being good enough in the first place. That's super messed up.
@@LXLA255 Why??? Like, how many examples have you seen of people posting their art and getting bullied? Hell, I got bullied for MY art on a discord of other content creators. Like, these people are losers who lack social skills and can't make nothing. Of course they will bully others.
@@YourWaywardDestiny No, I wouldn't and that's PRECISELY why I don't go onto these communities. These people are fucking insane and you people NEVER learn your lesson. >:( I mean for fucks sake. . . . . Now A.I. companies are stealing your shit too!
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I believe that being unable to get consequences, people are more meaner and meaner. I expect people to be better but the internet brings the worst part of humanity.
@@despacitoking237 ok a child with low attention span. Maybe you should not complain about it rather than go watch some brain rot contents.
@@despacitoking237 I can slap you some senses to fix your bratty attitude if you see that in front of my face.
@@despacitoking237proving their point lmao
@@despacitoking237 well you have pretty low attention span to understand what I said so.
@@despacitoking237 yapping is a weird word tbh, i miss the term "Blahblahblah"
To people out there: Politely correct people on their art, don’t be smug or arrogant and don’t act like your the best thing ever.
Some people don't realize you CAN be brutally honest while still being polite, but they like to pretend thats too hard.
@@BeigeShell Agreed
@@BeigeShell The hardest thing to draw for me is hands and feet, those parts don’t always look right when I draw them.
Artists aren't known for their humility, dawg.
I would like polite suggestions on things and not be verbally attacked by those who think they are great. I remember this artist lady who mocked other peoples art on RUclips and she acted like she was the best artist ever (I forget her name).
remember "art critique" channels? I think those also were a bad influence on what people think critique even is
Agreed, I never saw a Deviant art OC “review” that wasn’t just some 20-30 year old bullying a middle schooler
There needs to be a new one that's actually positive tbh
@@panicclinic jackie droujko does art critiques that are actually super polite and constructive. And pieces are submitted by viewers so it’s all consensual
@@amethystimagination3332 that's good to hear, the art community online honestly needs more people like that.
Solarsands lmao
Same thing with "I am just honest".
No one has to be mean to be honest, one can be honest and nice about it. Poeple are losing the ability to be kind and this is really sad.
Having been on the Internet since the 00s, I can confirm that people using 'criticism' as a shield for bullying is sadly nothing new (it was everywhere on fanfic sites for instance)
When critiquing art:
Pose questions. Don’t pass judgement.
Suggest opportunities. Don’t find fault.
Keep it objective. Don’t make it personal.
Be clear. Don’t be vague
Build them up. Don’t tear them down.
Be Altruistic. Don’t be egocentric.
Be cooperative. Don’t be adversarial.
Help the artist improve. Don’t belittle the artist.
Agree tbh, I hate it when people bully someone else's art for no reason, that's just so annoying tbh, I just hate it like hell bro, like, WHY?! Why in the flip would YOU yourself who's a regular human being bully another regular human being only because their drawing seems less good than yours?! They're just learning! I mean WTF?!
@@muhammadredo771 how do you know the bullies aren’t actually worse at drawing and in their tiny brains the only way they can think of to be better than someone with more talent than them is to bring them down?
My art teacher clearly didnt know much of this list🥲
@@AezlyndWanderin because I was once, a victim of bullying...
And compliment their piece!! It helps the artist not feel insulted about their art
that one post that says “you’ve just gotten meaner as a person because you’re online too often” is something that applies here too tbh
I received mean and hate comments only because my art looks "childish". I just recently really tried to improve, for most of my childhood I only to drew for fun , and because of that my improvement was really slow . Some people act like age is some magical factor that automatically makes you better at drawing.
People don't consider that everyone have different personal situation on how fast they can learn, how many money and time they have, mental state of the artist and other factors.
The people who criticize just to put other artists down, especially young artists, are either people who don't actually draw or obnoxious artists who seem to have forgotten they all started as beginners
in reference to your arm comment, I had an art teacher in college who once told me that "it doesn't have to be right, it just has to look right" meaning that to regular people who have never studied anatomy, when we draw it correctly as it should be to them it will look wrong...
I found your channel through another RUclipsr, John (yes, that's his handle.)
It's so nice to find an Artist on youtube whose commentary is so on point. I try to be as helpful as possible with my critiques. Often taking an hour or more to write them up.
I also follow the Critique Sandwich.
1. Say something nice about the piece.
2. Explore suggestions to help them improve.
3. End with something else that they did right, or if they hit one of their goals.
I don't know why anybody would want to hurt others.
That second point is also so very true. It's easy to say the wrong thing when you don't know what the person is looking for when it comes to critique. Knowing what their goals are and knowing what they're looking for is HUGELY helpful to providing useful critique or criticism.
Good old John
Can’t believe you found the one and only John art
Demanding critique sandwiches is why people don't give artists advice. People want to just tell the artist what the problem is, not have to constantly stroke their ego.
Once someone criticized how I draw eyes because rhey thought the overly anime eyeshiney eyes on my art style looked unsettling. I agreed that it did look uncanny and took a different approach by using dot eyes instead. I'm honestly thankful for the criticism because it improved my style significantly
Something that’s missing is also context:
What was the context in which the work was made (i.e. How was it made and with what tools)?
And what was the work designed to communicate?
A lot of the internet focuses purely on how the art made them feel, without considering if that’s what the creator wanted them to feel (re: fans getting mad about being romance-baited when that was only their interpretation of the onscreen relationship that the creators had no intention of following up on).
Or they ignore whether or not the limitations of the art (especially in animation, 3D and interactive art/media) are actually limitations of the tools (i.e. the limits of rig-based animation in either 2D or 3D). Or constraints on the artist which get passed down to the work (i.e. artists either working on a deadline, or working within the margins after their non-art-related day job).
Sure, the audience shouldn’t have to consider those things when consuming the art mindlessly,
But if you do want to offer critique or constructive criticism, it absolutely needs to be taken into account, because sometimes, your beef is with something/as a result of something the artist has no power to change at all.
One of the hardest things I had to do, when I was a art instructor for public schools, was to tell a young child that something about their drawing was wrong.
Students (grade 2-6) take all criticism as an attack, even if it is constructive and it's like walking on eggshells to give them good advice.
Some people just can’t seem to understand that you shouldn’t leave criticism if the artist doesn’t solicit it! I have a compliment though, the shade of blue in Celestias’ hair! It’s utterly gorgeous and I love the way the light reflects off it!
"Your art looks ugly" will systematically receive a "I'm sure it's not as bad as your face" from me.
Fr.
-Have work sent for critique.
-Get answer: Lacking speed & confidence in linework.
-Throw up hands!
Like what i am i supposed to do? Go fight a boss, gain XP and put points to the "Confidence" stat ?!?
20:51 artists not knowing how to receive constructive criticism is actually very common. I see it all the time among younger artists, they feel pressured to accept it because otherwise they told they are snobbish and entitled. Its sad that we cant just let artists have fun, especially kids
3:59 To me, the whole "This is critique that you should be grateful for", sounds like the same nonsense creeps give when catcalling, the "It's a compliment, be grateful you [Insert derogatory insult]". It's just nastiness that they are unhappy about being called out for
One of the things that irks me the most with critique is when I'm only asking for something like lets say "does this light source look correct" and they end up critiquing the color palette...
Can we please normalize if it isn't already that when we ask for help on one specific thing we don't want critique on anything else?? It might be overwhelming depending on how much is critiqued on when not asked
ZZZ releasing Jane Doe definitely made a lot of “critics” come out the woodworks just to say “goonerbait” for easy likes and leave. No actual opinions on any aspect of her design or writing, just “lmao goonerbait”
I’d say the same goes for “Bro only draws one body type 💀” cuz that’s only actually meaningful to artists that specifically want to learn tons of body types
And this goes for “Fixed it for you 😊” posts too
Real bc Jane looks so good + everyone agreeing she has a femme fatale theme is so amazing to me
And yes. Im trying my best to draw more body types (such as plus size) and i dread for that day i get that comment
And THANK YOU!! I personally dislike “fixed it!!” Bc its harmful plus could make the artist feel upset because its THEIR ART! Not the person whos fixing it! If they did anything wrong, they couldve just pointed it out nicely!!
@@not_holl0w Yeah, I definitely concur with all those points, especially as someone who wants to make OCs of all sorts of body types.
I feel like "art critique" brain rot garbage from PKRussl and other creators in 2016-18 damaged a lot of people's relationship with real criticism.
It didn't matter if people were asking people like him to "critique" their art and animations, he still just shit on young artists and told them to get good 😭
This was a really great video. I think another important point about criticism/critique is being specific about what you want critiqued because sometimes people have stylized art where they illustrate a person or animal with visually unrealistic characteristics (like anatomy for instance) and some people will offer criticism in reference to what they think should’ve been more realistic. I remember back in school when I was seen drawing, sometimes people will ask me, “Why are the eyes so big?” (Since my art style was influenced by anime). And I’m like, “Same reason why Mr. Crocker’s ear is on his neck.”
Sincerely, a Single-Celled Amoeba
I had a friend online once ask me for critic on their work. I told them what was working and what I felt was not working, and what they could do to work on it. I tried my best to be nice about it, but they singled out one negative word out of the whole paragraph and blew up at me and blocked/unfriended everywhere. Later I found them talking to some other people in a forum. They didn't say my name, just said that they got critique on their art and blew up at that person, but they had been trying out what was suggested and found it was helping. I responded in third person, "I'm sure the person would be happy it helped you out." They DMed me and apologized. 💙
This is always the one thing that annoyed me when people will "critique" someone's art
like actually critique them and give them helpful information not insult their art that's two completely different things
WOOOAHHH I got here way earlier than usual. Already interested, I'm always interested in the critique discussion since it's literally part of my art class. We're encouraged and taught how to properly critique art without being nasty or nitpicky.
I've been thinking the same for SOOO long
I was always taught when giving critique to always start with a positive of the piece youre critiquing then give a way the artist can improve whether it be by expanding on the positive or focusing on a different aspect of the piece. I automatically zone out when i see some of these people online say something negative about an art piece or dont at least add a way to improve the piece. Its honestly kinda frustrating that people have been doing this so much recently.
I feel like when Concord bombed spectacularly, we got a HUGE wave of artists, pro and amateur alike, who came out of nowhere to critique the game's character design. While some of them truly were constructive and criticized the bureaucracy that allowed subpar designs to be finalized, I found way too many of these "critiques" insulting the actual artists themselves on top of doing the classic "Here's how I'd fix your designs" faux pax you've mentioned in a previous video.
Ironically, the "fixers" seemed to have misunderstood the aesthetic that Concord was trying to go for and ended up creating mediocre generic sci-fi designs that were "better" because of stronger silhouette or a clearer role purpose (rocket girl now has wings, etc.) It just felt like a mean spirited way of kicking a dead horse while it was down while boosting their own ego. I honestly had to dig to find artists that didn't blame forced diversity or DEI as the reason the game bombed.
Pretty much the only vid of the sort I ended up watching was 3BSkyen's vid on Concord's designs, which I can only assume was the most good faith. His main gripe was that the designs don't really communicate enough about the characters themselves or their personality (another reply I've seen said the characters could have benefitted from proper posing, with several more saying that the designs looked like they were designed for a more cartoonish-looking game ala Overwatch or Fortnite and just didn't translate well to a more realistic-looking style).
And admittedly I feel there's a difference between criticism of a more professional work for commercial consumption and just riffing on some indie artist's OCs.
I don't think it's fair to look at criticism of a commercial product the same way as criticism of a hobbyist artist sharing their work on social media. A commercial product is made to be sold, in the case of concord by a trillion dollar company, and people should be allowed to criticize, mock and judge it all they want. Personal attacks on individual people working at the company is obviously not appropriate, but criticizing the end product presented to us is 100% valid, even if it's not constructive
@@E107J Oh I'm not doubting that, and the character designs from Concord DO deserve its share of scrutiny: they are watered-down, unappealing, and unclear to look at. I was only stating how mean-spirited a good chunk of the criticism I came across was and how many of said critics felt the cruelty was justified because the game crashed and burned. Shaming the devs for being saddled with a crap project is uncalled for no matter how professional and public the project's downfall is.
And let's be honest: blaming DEI bad character design as Concord's worst sin is ignoring Sony's sheer incompetence on all levels of marketing and development. This goes double for those who are just stomping on a dead project to boost their egos.
"Ironically, the "fixers" seemed to have misunderstood the aesthetic that Concord was trying to go for"
This aesthetic resulted in the game being taken offline after 2 weeks. Failing to use a better aesthetic would be a major error on behalf of these "fixers".
"ended up creating mediocre generic sci-fi designs"
As opposed to the terrible designs that caused the game to fail.
"that were "better" because of stronger silhouette or a clearer role purpose"
Both do improve these characters, so the fixers have succeeded. Especially in the latter case because it makes the game easier for new players to understand.
"I honestly had to dig to find artists that didn't blame forced diversity or DEI as the reason the game bombed."
Then you missed out of most of the reasons why this game bombed. You can't simply ignore reasons because you didn't like them when they did influence why this game failed due to low sales.
Also most players only sustain these types of games by buying skins for these characters they find sexy or awesome looking. So having too many fat and ugly characters would be a major reason why it failed.
One thing that is more frustrating about critics is have someone who isn't an artist themselves and don't provide a solution in ways to improve or how to improve your art.
I want to bring up the debate over unsolicited criticism because I can see both sides. I post my art online under the assumption that if it's public, it can be criticized, and I think that anyone posting content publicly should expect both positive and negative feedback. However, asking before criticizing someone's art is the more polite thing to do. Some people see unsolicited critics as assuming they know better than the artist, or see it as disrespectful. Whether or not you're ok with unsolicited criticism is a personal preference. I personally don't care if someone gives me unsolicited criticism, but there's no harm in asking, and it's the simplest way to avoid unintentionally upsetting someone.
I don't think it's objectively good or bad-it's a matter of opinion, and if someone does not like it, their opinion should be respected.
I tend to mostly watch your videos for the commentary since I can leave it playing in the background while I'm drawing, and it's very informative/your voice is pretty soothing.
That said, woa, the shading is insanely good on this! I love it!
Excellent video! And a reminder a lot of people need! Critique isn’t bad. It really, really isn’t.
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i don't have much to comment about the essay, but your art looks really good today! I love the mini paintings in the background especially, so cool
Imo critique is best when you end your criticism with something you think is really good with the artists piece. Balancing your critique definitely helps the artist feel as though you're not insulting their piece
This really depends for me, if I see someone actively struggling with something and they state so or discuss it in their description, post or video, I'll normally politely and supportively direct them to the info/resources they need and give words of encouragement, but won't critique them. If they ask for critique then I will do so in a constructive and nice manor, also providing resources. I'll tell them the good and then the areas for improvement, and normally follow it up with encouragement. I think people need to step back and realise unless someone indicates they're struggling or asks for criticism they should mind their business, and depending on what they express, depends on the support you should provide. Regardless of this always approach it with a positive spin and leave it on a good note. Critique isn't to put people down, it's to rise them up.
To me taking the time to critique someone's work in a kind way is to be invested in them and to want them to grow. Tearing them down just because you can is just pathetic and sad. I'd rather see a 100 more good up and coming artists with confidence in themselves, then a 100 miserable artists that give up. I think people fail to realise art is culture, and the more people that do it the better! The point is to exchange culture! That and you'd be surprised the amount beginners do get right, and a lot of early critique is just gently redirecting them.
You are essentially omnipotent and/or omniselected, give or take a few caveats. You're everywhere at the right time. Thanks.
Celestia can call me a single cell amoeba any time.
Hot Take: Unsolicited criticism, even constructive is no better than an insult. If you are assuming you know better than a total stranger who did not ask for help... It's still pretty insulting and unnecessary. There are plenty of places on the internet where people are actively looking for critique. It's not your place to give random "constructive critique" to strangers. How polite or "correct" you are is irrelevant.
I agree so much, its like they assume the person who made the piece didn't know they made a bunch of mistakes.
Only an egotistical artist would not acknowledge their mistakes.
This is more of a lukewarm take 😂
ok real hot take here: if you post your art online people should have the right to voice their opinion on it. Construction criticism or fair negative feedback should not be considered as a personal insult. Think of movies or books, should directors/writers take every negative feedback as an insult? Even if it is a song on RUclips that musicians post that everyone can hear for free, should they take it as an insult when music reviewers give them negative constructive feedback unprompted? I don't think so cuz every music reviewers are doing that
@@idkwayta1722 Yea thats a shitty hot take. Constructive criticism are made so a person can improve. If it's no better than an insult these people will more of just stop doing the thing and their growth stops, ie the opposite goal of what proper criticism is supposed to do. And when the artist was thoroughly discouraged that they stop, these pricks would jsut argue theyre weak and only getting 'good critiques' was putting them in an echo chamber. Which is honestly an idiotic and a spineless takeaway by the 'critic'.
You say randos have the right to an opinion on anything? Even if theyre not asked to? Sure then I say these people who think like this are a bunch of pretentious cowards who more of look for an excuse to be assholes and not be called out because theyre jsut twying to be 'helpful critics'
Also Idk how to break this to you but movie makers and musicians having to take insults is never helpful. Theyre all jsut forced to take it because realistically you cant punch people for their shitty unsolicited takes. But it doesnt mean that should be the actual norm. I mean I doubt these 'critics' be able to even take a fraction of what they carelessly dish out to actual creators.
I dont think people should just insult online posts just because theyre not at slapping range. It doesnt help at the end of the day, these people have no fkin spines to say it in person too.
@@idkwayta1722 I never said they didn't have the "right". I said it was rude. Don't be a free speech freak.
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I absolutely HATE that (mostly) non artists have so little respect for us actual artists that they'd -
1. Assume we even want their uninformed, useless opinions on our work.
2. Will be grateful for unsolicited and unhelpful 'critique' from people who don't know what they're talking about.
3. We are the 'bad guys' when we do not react positively to their irritating opinions being foisted onto us when we're just sharing our work online/drawing in voice calls on Discord etc.
It takes two seconds to ask someone if they want your input and it is perfectly okay for an artist to tell you no.
For me personally, I have a great support network of artists who are more skilled than myself who will give me constructive criticism that will actually help me improve my work. I'm all for positive suggestions when people I don't know ask me if I want their input when I'm drawing, such as different colour choices, interesting directions to take the clothing/accessories/hairstyles etc of the characters I'm designing, new techniques I may not be aware of.
Unfortunately a LOT of people online (both non-artists and artists) are wilfully ignorant when it comes to how to offer constructive criticism. It's honestly embarrassing (for them) that they cannot fathom that artists do not want/do not benefit and often do not need their input. Insulting someone's work and then hiding behind 'I'm a minor'/'You posted it online so you should expect opinions'/'No offence, but...' is so incredibly immature and helps absolutely no one improve their work/feel motivated to continue drawing/allow artists to enjoy sharing their work with others.
Imo do not:
1. Give unsolicited critique.
2. Ask artists snide 'Why did you draw x like x?' questions. Nitpicking is so gross and unnecessary.
3. Attempt to frame insults as critique and then backpedal or double down using the 'excuses' detailed above.
Tact costs nothing and not all opinions (especially negative ones) need to come out of your mouth.
There is no constructive criticism of art, because art itself is subjective and depends on personal traits, personal tastes and subjective error tolerance.
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@@AnomalocarisAugust omg stop it lol
I’m not gonna improve my art, it’s ok how it is and most often I try to get better it backfires and It gets worse
HOLY SHIT, ARE YOU UPDATING YOUR WEBCOMIC?! (I'm excited, btw)
And when I think of stuff like art criticism, I end up thinking about my grade school (k-8) art class... And how much it sucked
I can't remember if it was just one year or not. But our actual Art teacher, was like. Quadruple booked, and couldn't teach art. So we had a different teacher... That openly admitted, that he knew nothing about art
And this teacher, loved to pick on me (and not just in art, but that's not relevant). He would constantly take what I was working on, without asking me, and show it to the class and ask what's wrong with it
Ended up losing, basically all interest in art after that, for a year or so. And didn't start being interested in it again, until I learned about the furry fandom
This is a bit off topic but these days people are being assusted of using ai and it's disheartening
Exactly! I'm always forget about I'm draw the correct always best I can. For me I'm personally! I don't care people don't like it my type style version and blah blah blah blah. Like who cares and deals with it! Also. Keep up the good work with your content!
4 minutes ago, am i in heaven or what??
I think a major cause of this debate is that a lot of American/European artists assume that other artists share the same cultural background as them as they start arguments on this topic.
Like a lot of countries, mine included, outside of the west have very tough standards, particularly in education. So a lot of times these arguments stem from a combination of a culture shock- i.e. words sounding agressive in English and people being surprised to see somebody with a tone of mistakes in their art having a following.
Plus a lot of things that sound rude to anglophones sound normal in other languages.
Again I do see a lot of American artists decking it out between each other, but I don’t have experience to comment on this issue. I just get frustrated when people from countries with different cultures get labelled as toxic
Allow me to play Devil's advocate here, and say all critiques are good critiques, and how you react to them is what matters most. Not saying you should be a jerk online, but that the jerks can be right regardless of their colourful language. FNAF wouldn't have existed if it wasn't for that one reviewer bashing one of their previous games after all.
In fact, as someone who's lived through this, I find no critique to be even worse than bad critiques or even bullying. Most of the time I didn't have a clue what I was doing right or wrong when I was learning to draw, and nobody was there to tell me anything regardless of how loud I shouted to the heavens.
Also telling the internet to behave is as good as telling a 5 year old not to steal cookies, it's an impossibility.
Lastly, I find it kind of ironic how you practically bashed someone's constructive critiques just because they didn't know you were part skeleton. Give the person the benefit of the doubt at the very least, it's not like double-jointed and bony people are a commonality. Plus, I myself can do some wacky stuff with my hands, but I purposely restrain myself when I draw because simply put: it doesn't look natural. Not saying you shouldn't draw like that (I'm not your boss), but that you should expect a bit of traction from that abnormal look.
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I disagree with a few points:
1) as soon as something is public (for example posting an art publicly on SNS), it is open for criticism (is there rly a different between that, ant the french borrowed word critique, in english?), also just feedback, comments, interactions, and depending on the country, it submits to fair use - so there is no "but i didnt ask for it boohoo" kind of thing. at least to me, no pity there. if u just want validation, just do it privately or in a closed group. and if you do post it publicly, ur always free to mute/block people.
2) critique does not have to include a solution! otherwise, for example, teachers give only ever de-constructive critique by just using a red pen to mark, circle, cross, underline, whatever is wrong, without actually putting in the correct thing
I believe this to be part of entitlement, which I sadly see coming from such parenting. They "sht" every solution for their kid and they don't have to figure things out for themselves.
2b) this also goes into the part where u use the "uninformed" term, as if ppl with no art background aren't allowed to critique art. if I tell you "this eye looks off somehow", then it's also critique. I don't need to be able to put my finger on why that is, i don't need to give you suggestions or solutions, and i aslo don't need to know technical terms or anything, in order for it to be a critique.
And yes, even if someone tells you "i dont like your artstyle" it is critique and has value (depending on what you want to do). For example if you find out 80% of those who see your art, dont like your style, but you want to eventually be able to appeal to the masses, it might be an indicator that something needs to change, or u need to scratch that goal.
3) this is a general thing, but i dont believe the choices of words needs to be changed if its critique. Just because someone can't handle words they deem "bad" or "hateful", doesn't mean this isn't exactly what that person means (unless ofc, it's one of those ppl that just randomly uses and redefine words as they please). At least for me when I say something i mean exactly that. When I say skyblue, i don't mean royal blue. If I say something is shit (which is short for something is like shit, similar to how one say "morning" instead of the long "i wish you a good morning"), then i mean the art (to me) is like shit, if i say garbage, then I mean garbage, if i say gold, i mean gold, and if I say diamond it's diamond.
If someone takes (only) certain words as a direct attack, then that is on them. if i find your art garbage, i mean ur art, not u, for example.
Tho I guess this might be just me xd
I disagree with your points too, let’s discuss.
1. This is more of a question, but if someone specifically says they are not open to critique shouldn’t you respect that? I think you are approaching this from a legal standpoint when we should be approaching it from an ethical standpoint.
2. I think critique should provide a solution, and I don’t think that has anything to do with entitlement and more like how am I supposed to grow from this critique if I have no idea what I did wrong? The ‘Parents are high and mighty and supreme declarers of justice’ argument has always rubbed me the wrong way too.
3. Uninformed people can provide harmful critique too. For example someone who thinks that the eye might look off might not have an understanding of anatomy and might only know their stylistic choices. I think that‘s what Celestia is getting at.
4. People should try and be decent and if something you said hurt someone, that’s all that matters and you should apologise anyway? (Which seems like basic preschool stuff to me)
That’s just the way I see though so if you’re willing to debate about it that’s cool.
1. So by that logic, people can critique your every online move then? Because that sounds like a crappy excuse to be an unsolicited asshole.
2. Yes it fking does. Especially if youre a teacher because the student is there to learn, you moron. People who ask for it too also mean theyr looking for parts ti improve on, and nit just a chance to be insulted randomly.
2b. Styles are not objective. This is why unsolicited critique are worthless. You act as if style changes are easy to do and you can reasonably demand them. No you asshole, if the person doesnt ask you, it means they dont trust you to give them a helpful comment, shut your pretentious mouth and stop being a pretentious ass.
3. Also again no, you keep giving excuses to be an ass while trying to avoid being called out. This is why you shouldnt ‘critique’ unless asked since the artist would need to trust you n yiur words first. This doesnt mean that this will oush an echo chamber scenario, especially if it doesnt affect others personally.
From this reasoning, it iis just you. When your reasons of critiquing is to be able to insult people on the internet under the guise of being ‘helpful ‘ despite not being asked for it and getting mad that you cant just ‘ critique’ randos, youre a certified spineless and pretentious asshole.
You sounds like you bully people’s art
Ngl? I'm just wondering why ya'll keep using the internet when you're starting out. . . . It's like. . . . What are you REALLY expecting?
If you're a rookie, you aren't gonna blow up.
If you're a rookie, people famously treat you like shit.
If you're competent, people recycle your shit for "content" and there is nothing you can do about it.
If you're a rookie, or competent, you get overlooked for popular artists.
Then there is the other side of that coin : Suppose your art is just bad. Like that person who took Oda's drawing of Nami and "fixed" it by making her fat, hairy and ugly. But people who align with this due to ideals praise you.
Are you even an artist or a cult member / propagandist at that point?
My point is: Stop giving these people access to your shit so early.
I think it‘s that dopamine hit when someone actually isn’t a piece of shit and compliments your art or actually asks if you’re open to criticism. I love posting my art online despite of what you mentioned in your comment. I think instead of just avoiding the internet altogether we could focus on making the internet a better place. But really, I‘m 12, I‘m not very eloquent or good at getting my thoughts onto the page in any way. I like a good debate though, so that’s my very personal opinion. :)
“What are you REALLY expecting?” I don’t know maybe not getting bullied for posting art sounds insane I know, you know maybe instead of encouraging beginners to stay off of social media you should try focusing on being a decent person
If someone wandered into an interest in foraging and found a corner of the internet dedicated to that interest, would you find it to be normal and expected that the experienced members there to call someone terrible at foraging for showing off the hand-full of berries they found instead of posting god-tier delicious wild mushrooms? No. No you wouldn't. You'd expect them to congratulate the newcomer on getting out there and finding some raspberries.
If someone realized that every single one of their math teachers was crap through their younger school years and they did actually have a love for the field of math, would you expect that the math nerds would call that person too stupid to learn after demanding they demonstrate PHD level of instant comprehension once finding the math side of the internet? No. No you wouldn't. You'd expect the math nerds to be happy that someone had found their love of math after being left out in the cold, and to help that person get along in their studies when that new math nerd asks questions.
If someone had an interest in working on cars and only just now had enough money to get an old beater vehicle to poke around in, would you expect mechanics to mock that person out of the interest for not having the money to get high-end tools right off the bat once they joined a mechanic's social site? No. No you wouldn't. You'd expect the mechanics to welcome that person in, and offer conversation about this person's plans and progress. And, if asked, they would be more than happy enough to let this person know what budget tools are worth the money and use their experience to make this go smoother for the new person.
Why is it, then, that _this_ specific interest is something anyone should EXPECT to be hazed for trying to be a part of? You wouldn't expect that, and you shouldn't be out here telling people that it's on them for not being good enough in the first place. That's super messed up.
@@LXLA255 Why??? Like, how many examples have you seen of people posting their art and getting bullied? Hell, I got bullied for MY art on a discord of other content creators.
Like, these people are losers who lack social skills and can't make nothing. Of course they will bully others.
@@YourWaywardDestiny No, I wouldn't and that's PRECISELY why I don't go onto these communities.
These people are fucking insane and you people NEVER learn your lesson. >:(
I mean for fucks sake. . . . . Now A.I. companies are stealing your shit too!