The World's Most Accurate Gaming Mouse?
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- Опубликовано: 8 авг 2024
- The ASUS ROG Harpe gaming mouse uses a unique process that could help create the world’s most accurate gaming mouse. Add in something like the Hone mousepad and some cool integration of AimLab and you have an amazing experience that could make you a better FPS gamer. Maybe.
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ASUS ROG Harpe Gaming Mouse - geni.us/HARPE
ASUS ROG Hone Mousepad - geni.us/ROGHONE
TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 - Building the World's Most Accurate Gaming Mouse
0:32 - Same DPI, different feel? (CPI Deviation)
1:39 - ROG Harpe & Hone ACE
2:09 - Auto Mouse Optimizer (Aim Lab)
5:57 - Do auto settings really work?
7:58 - Harpe Ace Mouse is SO GOOD!
9:13 - Using PHYSICAL measurements for DPI
10:35 - A New Way to Design a Gaming Mouse
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Honestly dpi/cpi deviation is a non-issue. Once you use a mouse enough, you customize your sensitivity until it feels right. How close 800dpi setting is actually close to 800dpi is irrelevant.
It's only an issue if you switch between multiple mice
@@dadstro and a problem for pro players
@@shiion6711 they can also just adjust because they don't switch often
Yeah, seems like it would only be an issue if it's inconsistent on the same mouse. Like if CPI changes depending on how fast you move your arm. But it doesn't sound like that's what's happening. If it's *always* the same value, like -5% for example, then once you adjust to it then it shouldn't be an issue.
Another reason it's hilarious that people buy like 5 different mice for different occasions, crippling their muscle memory.
Just got mine today for CAD90 black friday sale and pretty excited to try it...cheers^_^
Here guys.
-Viper ultimate v2 wireless with 4K hz
-Pulsar x2 or their 2023 models releasing in spring
-Mice that have PAW3395 sensors are top tier.
Asus has been one of the only companies in the mainstream that adopt swappable switches. The fact that this doesn't have that disappoints me to no end
in many cases the swappable switches made the mice worse, especially the case with the Gladius. The switch being physically higher up significantly contributes to additional pre and post travel of the switch. Also whats the advantage, especially since they have the screws under the mouse feet still!
For me it always gave me a lower dpi and much much lower sens than I prefer. I think it’s optimized more towards arm aimers than wrist
you should be arm aiming and not wrist aiming
Not true. It gave me the EXACT number (to the first decimal!) I use for years now. I'm overwhelmingly a wrist aimer.
i'm pretty sure you should keep the dpi and change your ingame sensitivity to what you like, rather than the other way around. Maybe keep it at 800 for a few weeks and tweak the ingame settings, see if you like it?
Edit: my dpi is 3200 and i just turn it way down in game.
even then that's wild lol. I play with 1400 dpi and sense cranked all the way down
@@northwestclasspnw7974 windows cursor speed layers on top of in-game sensitivity in most games. so you can get it pretty dang slow even at 3200 dpi if you want. The only reason I didn't go even higher is some people report wonkiness at super high dpi.
I’ve heard of wonkiness at anything above 1600dpi but at the of the day it’s all feeling and what you’re most comfortable with
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Personally I feel a mouse is like a steering wheel. It's intuitive and you will not notice how much you move it, just react to how much it moved and correct instantly without thought
Wonder how it compares to the deathadder V3 pro in your opinion, since comes with the same price.
What keyboard do u use? I like the sound
im looking to buying one of those but idk if i should buy this or maybe another one
I was surprised that the Aimlab sens finder worked. I did it got same sens been using for 2 years. I was going to try the new sens but apparently it was already good. 🤷♂️ My friend did it got a sens but he is new a pc gaming. He was why to high it lowered it a lot.
what are those sentences
These mouse reviews are always nice but the one thing that I now look for in my gaming mice is the quality of the button switch, because every mouse that I've owned in the past 2 decades has worn out its button switch before anything else goes wrong with it. I'm talking 8+ mice. The only mouse I've found that has a new and unique switch is the SteelSeries Prime series. They invented a completely new type of switch that uses a real coil spring plus magnet and optical sensor. All other mice on the market (including Razer's optical one) use the antiquated "tiny thin piece of metal" that wears out fast. I can't look at any other mouse now--no matter how many interesting features they have--because they still use those awful old switches for the buttons.
I know this sounds like a ad for SteelSeries but if anyone can show me another mouse that has a new type of switch that's designed not to fail, I would be happy to hear that.
Hey a lil bit late but i don't get what you mean. optical switches avoids double clicking. How did you destroy 8 mice's ? And could you explain that special sensor of the steelseries prime. I'm a mice enthusiast and never heard about the switch issue you are talking about. You live and you learn. Im maining a dav3 right now and x2 and knock on wood have no issues. Thanks for the info. It would be nice if you could give me more info about the steelseries prime as I'm a going to do some research about it and if I'm am convinced getting one. Have a nice day fellow micer. 🙏🦾🫡🐺
most ROG mice except for this one :( have the hotswap switches. the wireless keris is probably lightest of them all. i assume the sockets added weight which is why they neglected the feature on this mouse.
Can this mouse essentialy teach you how to set up your mice for 3rps/fps or gaming in general? Cause I still dont know what dpi or settings I play at.
ROG is getting it right with the Keris Aimpoint and this Harpe Ace., good direction
One issue is most pro player would have a raw input, with way more custom-preferences when it comes to mouse and mousepad regardless how usefull the tech from this collab. But Asus still a cool company with money to spend for crazy ideas like this.
which is better of the three harpe, chakram x, or gladius 3? planning to buy, can someone help me pick one of this?
What keyboard is that? The gaming part is like ASMR
Infomercial at it's finest
a negativity at it's finest
yep def not the hardwarecanucks i subed to a few years ago.
I mean, yeah. Its a sponsored review
@@Aves_1 Yea like, are people blind? It's sponsored, of course they're gonna be soft with the 'review' of the mouse and pad.
If anything they should do a non-sponsored post review summary of the mouse but a lot of their stuff is sponsored nowadays. Probably running into money issues or something.
Aren't they obligated to give a heads up if this is a paid review?
Should I get g pro superlight or this mice?
need a mouse with manual pump action or bolt action reloading mechanism for aaa battery.
never knew my enhanced mouse pointer thing was enabled, thank you
It doesnt matter, games use raw input and ignores all windows mouse settings
DPI deviation only matters if you change your mouse a lot imo.
I usually play with 5000dpi and ingame mouse sensitivity settings of 0.04 - 0.06 for ultra smooth movement. Especially for games like Squad the aim movement is much better than with low dpi and 1.0 mouse ingame setting.
Using the DAV3 8K HZ it works great for me
why dont have i have these options avaible to play on aimlab? i cannot select them.... why?
What’s the name of the yellow mouse in the background
turn dpi up and turn down sense for more precise aim. dpi effects the precise movements of your reticle
For that price (180$ in my country) they should include that mousepad with the mouse considering the mouse marked is becoming really competitive with offerings from Razer, Pulsar etc. That way they are really selling a complete package. Instead of buying the mousepad (40$) separate when most of us already have one or two mousepads we are already satisfied with (Artisan, LGG Venus Pro...).
And personally I enjoy setting up my new mouse with DPI and gameplay. I've been doing it for years and it's basically muscle memory now. But maybe this would be nice for people trying out gaming and wanting to find their best settings? But then again, who would pay up to 200$ for that starting out?
would be a shite mousepad, just buy an actual good mousepad (artisan, etc,) because otherwise you’ll get a tiny, frayed edge, coated mousepad that will feel like trash after a day of usage
@@zephyr.r I think you're kind of missing my point as I already mentioned most of us already got good mousepads. But if they want this mouse to compete with the rest of the market they could either include the mousepad since you already got a lot of accessories with the mouse, or lower the price. Especially considering 2023 will probably offer better mice for less money i.e. new models from Pulsar, Razer etc.
Hope this doesn't use that cheap glue like the Asus Rog Gladiator mouse I got.
can i know what headset are u using sir?
Hi, Your headphones???
My wireless strix great might have to give this one run
This is pretty cool!
what's the background music? 0:12
Its not sitting flat on the table i got another one and it was the same its warped
Mouse: perfect
my motor skills: shit
Thank you
When I used the sensitivity finder in aimland I kept getting higher sensitivity’s I think because I have lazy aim don’t move arm and I started valorant at .67 send and I’m trying aimlabs .58 sens
why legion 7i gen 7 price is increased in website?
What is the name of the music track used in the beginning of the video ?
não é meme, to usando um rog keris aimpoint e realmente sinto a diferença em sensor, é outra coisa. TOP demais!
most of the competitive player / semi competitive player already know the feel of the mouse and sens they want to usually they just change thing until the feel is right.
I bet that mouse is awesome. I have an Asus Keris. It's the best mouse i ever owned.
This channel isn't the first one I think of when it comes to new mice content, but Dimitri never lets us down when it comes to busting out some headshots when necessary.
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for me is the other way around lol, Dimitri does top notch videos on mice.
@@bogdaneraser his videos are good, but he's just not a dedicated mouse reviewer like Boardzy, for example.
Damn the Fernando Comics intro music hits different.
What app is used in 0:44?
Cheeky Azoth in the background, review next? 👀
Steelseries Sensei TEN was the 1st with 1:1 tracking and that was years ago...
I'm still using my Logitech G703 for almost 2 years now with no problems.
it's £159.99 on amazon UK 💀
i been useing the enhance thing for the entirety of the time ive had my pc..copletly forgot lol but i dont feel much of a difference
I didn't use protection so I got Harpe.
What program did you use for the 180 measurment ?
Aimlab
Optimum tech made a video about this, he used a machine and tested it with a bunch of mice if anyone's interested
Very informative video as always, thanks. Just got the ASUS ROG Keris AimPoint mouse & already I'm loving it. I do slightly miss the charging dock of my Razer Ultimate, but not enough to go back. The interchangeable switches are also a very nice bonus.
I am usually a Razer or Logitech or Corsair user. Never thought about Asus for peripherals. Worth a try? Isn't one of those EVGA $200 keyboard and 1 day later $19.99 is it lol
Ha ASUS stuff is deff worth it. I'm a long-term user of the wireless Azoth keyboard. It's awesome in every way. Been running the Harpe Ace mouse too for months, really nice quality and no issues so far.
-D.
Guardian of the galaxy guy
Can you click the dam mouse instead of waving it around? We want to hear how it sounds
*shakes mouse at camera*
Somewhat off topic. Does anyone have a mouse recommendation for larger hands? My mouse tends to scoot back into my palm since it doesnt have full contact in my palm.
learn fingertip grip, it is superior and healthier
What a useless answer
@@FrankOnline007 not really
You have to specify how big your hands are; rocket jump ninja has a good comparison tool if you really care.
@@achkr597 This is actually a big help, thank you
For the average gamer, this is no more than just a marketing gimmick. For the serious ones it may has some use for fine tuning your mouse sensitivity settings to a degree.
I've always wanted to learn playing at a lower DPI - as someone who has been playing at 1800-2000 DPI for 15+ years....I feel like I'm in the dark watching people sweep their forearm for "flick shots".....I've tried it but it feels so slow, and really tires out my arm with all the additional movement.
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@@sdkpt Not a good idea or?
It is but you need to go to the gym 💪
@@sdkpt Maybe I didn't comment appropriately, but I certainly don't have to "go to the gym" lol. It seems like a waste of movement when the same can be accomplished in smaller and more precise, efficient motions?
@@S4WYERonPC I was csgo coach and IGL, and most of bad aimers use high sens/dpi, but you can get used to it.
But with my experience low sens =better aim/tracking flick shots. You need to see how low you wanna go. But my advice is go lowering if you can and test in aimlab or other platform
Why you don't have a robot to do this . I don't think so you can move mouse perfectly horizontal by just hand. Optimum tech has made a video on it with a robot and also Mouse pad also affects the dpi deviation as he proved it in that same video
You should really double the DPIs and halve the sensitivity.
The higher DPI settings the better for latency.
1600 is the point of diminishing returns
Not true, or at least not proven to be true. Higher DPI = lower latency is not proven and comes from some youtube videos with very bad testing methodology, that could never prove the claim even if it were true.
@@jamiea9047 proven by battlenonsense which does very respectable testing with appropriate tools. Look for "50% Less Input Lag! Low DPI vs. High DPI Analysis".
Yes I agree from what I’ve tried it’s preference and what you’re use to 800 dpi feels the best to me input lag wise aswell
SteelSeries has given CPI and liftoff deviation as a metric since the OG Sensei...everyone has always treated that as a gimmick. I feel like RoG is not doing anything new 😅
hey I have a doubt so I bought a mouse a year back Hp Omen 400 Black so the problem is whenever I play a game or even try to do something my mouse it auto double clicks at the same time so suppose if i am shooting I click once but the bullets is fired twice so what is the problem how do I solve it, Ik its 100% mouse problem so what should I do please help I am frustrated with it
send it back and dont buy mice from joke companies?
check if its disabled in windows mouse settings.. if it is, you got faulty mouse :(
@@celzolsen8988 bro i went to the mall and bought it
@@Xenoray1 so where can I check if its disabled even i feel like its displaced somewhere inside cuz the problem happens like not everytime like rarely
@@HeckBoss you fucked up
Wasn't it proven better to set very high dpi on mouse and low sensitivity in games ?
yes
Very high??, it's quite pointless after 1600/3200 dpi..never seen someone using 32000 or 16000 dpi.
No, stick to 1600 or below unless there's something specific about how your sensor or firmware works. Some of the newer 4Khz and 8Khz mice can work a bit different but that's a fairly new frontier. This video from the launch of Logitech G still mostly holds up to this day. Look up "Logitech HQ: François Morier, Senior Engineer Explains Mouse Sensor" should be by on Tom's hardware channel
@@lunatik6168 thats because you shouldnt use DPI that high and there is literally no point to.
But that would affect my Windows cursor sensitivity
An interesting note from my Apex experience.
I run R99 and usually firing range with it quite a bit.
I've noted that if I have two mice at 800 dpi, the R99 sprays feel significantly different depending on the in game sens. And I ended up trying pro settings from pros using the G Pro X, Pros using the Razer Viper, and did seem to find that I could stay on target and beam easier with the right settings for the mouse?
I.e. My aim gets thrown off target less when I run 1.0 in game + 800 dpi with the G Pro X, But with the Razer it's 1.5 + 800 dpi and 1.3 seems to be a bit more optimal for my random mice like the X2 and Xtrfy M8.
The fact that 1.5 is high and razers dpi is probably higher, suggests to me that perhaps the interval of polling rate updates or the amount of change in position per update might affect recoil control
Man ! I've been looking at several mice lately that could replace my Steelseries Aerox 3 but without holes and could do the same thing (so internal battery, light weight, good shape for gaming but not tiring for productivity, and bluetooth for laptop use when I'm moving and not gaming)
Not saying that the Aerox hasn't been good, it's been awesome, but there is definitely some quirks that are annoying as fuck, epecially the huge RGB defuser (that I don't use) that adds weight and traps the dust inside, and the scroll wheel which is a pain to clean. Also had to change the skates as the stock ones were really bad. Last thing was the fact that there was no housing for the USB dongle, and teh dongle itself was USB-C (???) so basically just use BT when you're out.
This one is kinda pricey, but it seems to be the perfect fit ! Near identical shape, simpler scroll wheel design, no holes, space for the USB dongle which is USB A (in what world is having USB-A and argument lmao, thanks steelseries) and on top of that better sensor, better accuracy and it's lighter.
Guess we have a winner
Pulsfire Haste Wireless will soon come w/o cutouts. It's also relatively cheap
There are may mice that fit that shape. The Roccat Burst Pro Air, Vaxee XE. The Haste Wireless is another decent option as mentioned by someone else. In general I like that style/shape and have covered a number of them check @TheProfosist
wasnt it like you should turn up the dpi to maximum and then configure the mouse sensitivity in the windows option for better tracking?
*no*
not to the maximum, in 1600-3200 range and then adjust sens in game
Noooo
Yo Is that Chris Pratt????
Reminder everyone it’s a paid AD so keep your options open. It’s a sponsored video
just had my pulse elite and I was like why is this not as good as the mini viper. Forgot to turn off that enhace precision. Thank you dmitri!
Now I would say this feels way better than my mini. Bummer that it has inferior software.
WHY YOUR OPTIMIZER SETTING SECTION IS OPEN ALL MY SECTION ONLY ON SENSITIVITY >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I DO NOT KNOW ENGLISH I USE GOOGLE TRANSLATE
In short it is a Logitech G703, updated.
Yeah no, considerably lower and its rear is quite a bit different. Its similar to a number of other mice though. The G403/G603/G703 is surprisingly round/bulbous for that style which does go more in line with Logitech's egg based shapes.
Dpi deviation is no big deal at all.
Ahhh yes the most important spec dpi deviation, because you can't ajust your dpi to make it accurate... Maybe if you have a lot of mice and are lazy it's a bigger deal...
it's that guy from the last of us
if i ever get a 8k TV in life my life, i swear the first thing i am gonna watch is Dimitry's crisp videos on it all day long !!!
Cool and all but meh, nothing special or new, just for noobs to mess with stuff though. Many mice have no or close to no CPI deviation, some have some yeah, but nothing that you can't correct in general without this. But for sure all manufacturers should have calibrated sensor out of the box, it's just slacking. Also, you're better off in a specific game to see what sens to use for it anyway. In an actual game environment where you'll also notice if you need to lower or increase and such.
It's $160.
My $40 CoolerMaster MM710
has the PixArt PMW3389 sensor, which is considered to be “flawless”.
and is within a few grams of this thing in the weight category.
okay
@@stanislasflipo7214 okay
@@naryanr okay
@@Bnplay69 okay
Precision is great but it's way too heavy compared to Razer or Logitech products..
That's purely subjective.
i agree. asus kicked the door out...they also have great gaming keyboards...no more logi ! Asus rocks! i love this mouse so much!
If you turn off Enhanced Pointer Precision in Win 10, it doesn't kill off acceleration completely, just sets the lowest value for it, which is 1. If you want true 1:1 raw mouse input, you have to use MarkC accelfix registry modification.
PLEASE EXPLAIN ?.
just sets the lowest value for it, which is 1
@@Nedim618 Explained it in the comment you replied to. The lowest value is 0, which you can only attain wint the aforementioned registry fix.
if you guys want more info on dpi deviation, optimum tech has a great video on it and a few graphs that show the actual accuracy of the sensors in the mice that he tested. He also used a machine to take out the human error and I would 100 percent trust it
I don't need this level of DPI accuracy across mice, I need a mouse that lasts 10 or more years so I don't have to switch settings and/or brand.
If the Mouse maker`s put the sensor, way in the front. Or even better under were you have your index-finger... And now they have made A precise Mouse.
they have tried this. doesnt adapt well to multiple different grip types
this feels like an ad
Correct me if I'm wrong but, isn't it typically better to have a much higher DPI setting on the mouse, giving your system more accurate "information" to work with and then just turn down the sensitivity in-game.
For example people who study ergonomics find that about 1inch of mouse movement is optimal for moving the cursor from the left edge of the screen to the right edge.
So if your screen is 2560x1440 the the "optimal" dpi would be about 2560.
You are incorrect. Often mice are just making up information that is higher than their native range. Newish sensors cap at 1600. Something like the SteelSeries Rival 600 threw some of its top end away to be native up to 2400. Some of the latest sensors are supposedly native at all steps but are likely just using integer scaling (so its just a multiple of something lower or higher). This video from the launch of Logitech G still mostly holds up to this day. Look up "Logitech HQ: François Morier, Senior Engineer Explains Mouse Sensor" should be by on Tom's hardware channel
Asus mouse is of poor quality: bad assembly quality, the wheel will stop working correctly after two months of use. Moreover, this is not the problem of one an instance (I replaced it with a new one several times under warranty, but the problem returned). I recommend buying this device only when you find out on which components it built on and a little later when there will be more feedback
aim400kg one love!
needs removable switches like on their gladius 2 origin. i dont know what it is with modern mice but they wear out switches. you can pop the switch too and rub some high grit sandpaper past the contacts to clear the corrosion interference
how do you wear out a switch so easily? Theyre rated for 10's of millions of clicks! *see mouse fly across the room*
DO NOT use 800dpi. The lower the dpi the higher the latency, you want 3000+dpi minimum. It literally doesn't matter what speed you are used to or how fast the dpi makes it, simply lower sensitivity to counteract the increased speed. The reason you want a higher dpi and much lower sensitivity is latency and consistency.
Low dpi + high sensitivity is literally the worst and you might as well play with office mice they would perform identically.
High dpi + high sensitivity is really hard to control unless you have Olympic reflexes and precision.
High dpi + low sensitivity is the best for 99% of gamers.
Sensitivity makes mouse movement faster by amplifying the input which can cause artifacts like jumpy jagged mouse movements.
DPI makes it faster by adding more inputs per inch; the higher the dpi the more subdivisions of an inch therefore decreasing the amount of time the mouse registers movement.
This isnt debatable, it's an inarguable fact please don't make your mouse performance worse for literally no reason.
This isn't true at all
@@ItsdaFittySimp it is true, just look up the channel battle(non)sense and their testing. The higher your dpi the lower your latency becomes (it eventually plateaus after 3000dpi).
ever heard of xrtfy? m4?
surprised how good dimitri is at csgo
this guy looks like pedro pascal
Thought I was watching a commercial. Paid sponsored videos at its finest :)
Got the mouse. Sold it after a week of using. Not meant for everyone i guess
Considering my Rexus Daxa 3 Mouse still can get the job done, I think I'll stay with it. Unless Asus ROG could persuade me to change to the Mouse in the video.
looks like the only way to compete with logitech superlight is copying from it, giving up the RGB that ROG used to be proud of, just like what Razer did. Good job, Logitech
Completely different size mouse and different shape/ergonomics.
yes for the tech no for the brand , sry 😓