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Did the Buddha Only Teach Suffering and Its Cessation?
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- It's often understood that the Buddha claimed only to teach about suffering (dukkha) and its cessation. But is this really so? We'll consider a recent paper by scholar and translator Bhikkhu Bodhi, and how to better understand the Buddha's teaching.
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✅ Bhikkhu Bodhi's essay:
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✅ Suttas mentioned:
suttacentral.net/mn22/en/sujato
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00:00 Intro
01:32 The translation and what it implies
03:30 Bodhi’s linguistic argument
06:42 The Four Noble Truths and the dharma
07:59 Minimizing suffering
09:52 Buddha as ethicist
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That face when you realise: Desire is the root cause of suffering. So you seek advice on how to solve this. Then you realise you are desiring to not desire anything.
True, but such desire can be skillful. See: ruclips.net/video/ZTqibLMY1LM/видео.html
@@DougsDharma Thanks Doug! I'll try remember to check it out later! We're currently experiencing an unusually mild spot of weather in Britain, so I'm going to get out in Nature shortly!
Tanha * is the cause
@@tomeryaha6151 life is the cause of it all.
For me it was ignorance and avoidance of impermanence (anicca) that was the actual root. With right effort and right mindfulness comes right view. To not desire is just a negation of desire, it seems for me, so what amidst the dynamics of experience can we do? We can desire. But desiring without having (anicca) in mind will be troublesome and end up in refixating your mind in another desire or "un-desire" instead. A rebirth we beginners can impossibly control, so a choice would be to practice. Gather data with meditation. And re-contemplating under dukkha and anatta.
Yes i follow the principle of vipassana.
Excellent, excellent, excellent. This cleared ALL my doubts or perhaps confusion. I myself was stuck with "Buddha's main focus was ONLY on the 'suffering' and the cessation of 'suffering", knowing that he has given many sermons on how to live a good life; morally, ethically and above all compassionately. And wondering how these too going to fit in with each other. Now that is all clear. You are million times better than what I was told by 'scholarly' monks from a reputed South Asian nation, which went nowhere, only to be accused of western bias and/or reasoning and for diluting the pure Dhamma. You did this in just 11 mins, while giving due respect to Bukkhu Bodhi 'accepting much of his' as much as your own interpretation.
The last two years I have just started laughing so often at many many ironies that seem fundamental to human existence itself. One of my favourites is Buddhist vs Buddhist Infighting about the best way to be the best at being compassionate and peaceful 😂😂
People every which way within any demographic, well there's always a few who always like to act like their bowel evacuations don't stink just like everybody else's.
I'm increasingly starting to think Reality itself is some kind of cosmic joke, with Humanity as a punchline with much irony involved 😂😂
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sir buddhism started reviving in India again 😊
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@@DougsDharma Both you, Ancient Buddhist India, and others may appreciate this line. I find it very impressive how much is simplified into a single maxim by this chap.
"Desire is a contract that you make with yourself to be unhappy until you get what you want” - Naval Ravikant
Great work again Doug! When I scroll through you tube, finding many seemingly adept teacher's of the dharma, I often wonder how much real research they have personally done, especially concerning the original translation and meaning. What could be more important!
Yes, it's pretty neat!
Thanks Doug for sharing your point. I think Buddha will said like that , mainly because those people asked him about self and no-self, but Buddha teaching is not about that, is about dependent origination , everything arises because of conditions , that's why Buddha said his teaching is about suffering and the end of the suffering (arises and falling away) , is not about personal identity.
Got one sutta in SN, when Buddha said feeling arises is because of contact. Then people asked, "who feeling", Buddha said "Wrong question, I didn't mentioned about someone contact then he got feeling, if I got said someone, then u can ask me who"
So, I think it's the same here. Buddha mean that I'm not teaching about who or who will end the suffering , but is about suffering and the end of suffering. (Arises and falling away)
Yes, absolutely. It's about suffering rather than a Self that's undergoing the suffering.
Yes, Dough I agree with you on the part that in the broader and most general sense the Buddha is intended to teach "only" suffering and the end of suffering, as this is the most definite goal keeping the ultimate welfare of beings in mind. Though reading from the context in the suttas, the Pali term c'eva seems to indicate more on 'in particular' or 'mainly', than 'only'.
Thanks, Hendrick. I'll leave the Pāli interpretation to the experts! 😄
I think it's also important to look at the historical background the Buddha's teachings were written .People today take so much for granted, and sometimes glamorize the past. Until a hundred , hundred fifty years ago there was no modern medicine. no operations, no knowledge of bacteria . A lot of children died before age 6 . There was child labour. People had no painkillers, or operations ..Old people were depended upon the kindness of family , or ended up alone as beggars, etc There was so much more people suffering pain/old age & death. , and on top of that people had the same problems we have, Greed, jealousy ,fear, worries , etc,etc. So i can imagine someone like the Buddha seeing this 'suffering as a essential part of life.
Absolutely, life was a lot more difficult in so many respects back then. The basic message however is independent of our culture or position. It's true for everyone. 😊
@@DougsDharma I agree. I often start a gloomy morning with a short & simple meditation on 'being grateful for living in a time and place where i'm able to start the morning with heat, coffee , transport etc. Maybe not what the Buddha intended (but it works ;)
Doug, I am so grateful for your wisdom and insight. Thank you for taking time to share your knowledge and experience through these videos and the podcast with Jon 💚
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Thank you Doug. If we don't study Dhamma we don't understand Dhamma. 🙏🏼 Ajahn Punnadhammo talks on a lot of interesting parts of Buddhism.
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This is a great insight. Appreciate the discussion and the two-sided truth.
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Namo Buddhaya 😊🙏
Amazing channel! I am learning so much! We need a great translator like you! Quick question, why do you think Buddhism is not as popular as the monotheistic religions of the west? Is Buddhism in decline?
Thanks! Though the translations are not mine, they depend on some wonderful folks who know the languages much better than I do. As to why Buddhism isn't as popular, I'm not sure. But the Buddha said it was a difficult path. 😊
Eva in Sanskrit can also mean 'thus' (the compound would be caiva not c'eva though), coming to roughly the same conclusion you reached. Arguably, though, Buddha doesn't teach 'what to expect when nirvana comes', he teaches how to end suffering. But since the how includea all of the eightfold path, all of the different dhyanas, and everything, how is that limiting, unless you wanted to know what to expect from nirodha, which he never says.
Right, the Buddha doesn't teach a whole lot about nirvana itself; it's more about the path.
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It is interesting that the Buddha uses the quote in question when someone is advocating a view. The Buddha says in Snp4.3 that he does not advocate views. In that case, he did not teach views, he only taught suffering and the end of suffering. Perhaps, this evidence that the views taught in the canon came later. I did not see any examples where the grammatical structure was used in the sense Bodhi is proposing outside the two cases he talks about. His argument would be stronger if he had examples where it clearly did not imply only.
Well the Buddha discusses and advocates for innumerable views in the suttas. The question is what our emotional attitude should be towards them.
@@DougsDharma clearly there is a conflict and something has to give. Either you take Snp 4.3 seriously or you do not. You can’t have both. And that is the point. The canon is NOT homogeneous.
I really recommend you Thripitaka and Dhamma pada. Rather than saying or arguing , reading these books will resolve all of your problems and will bring peace to your mental health also 😊May you have the good karma to understand Dharma 😊Namo Buddhaya 😊🙏
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Is a pine forest only a pine cone?
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I would like to know about gods in Buddhism. The six heavens. It is said that lord of the sixth highest hevean is the Mara son of gods. As it is highest heaven it is the highest world in Kama datu (Kama or sensual pleasure world).The next world system is Brahma which is not invouled with sensual pleasures. The Mara son of gods leads in every way in Kama datu as his subject invouled with that as a dominion. The secular world.♥️🌎♥️
I did a video on the realms of existence in early Buddhism here: ruclips.net/video/JEwQvlfMUf8/видео.html
If you think that only talking about the end of suffering is a narrow topic, then you do not know what's all is involved with suffering. Freedom from suffering does not mean only freedom from suffering. It includes freedom from the wheel of birth and death too. The self, karma, conditioning, suffering and the wheel of birth and death are all one and the same thing.
Only? Isn't that enough? 🙂
😄 Yes, maybe so!
I tend toward your interpretation, Doug. It's very sensible and, to me, correctly includes the many aspects of life, such as a householder encounters. Doesn't your interpretation fall in line with the idea that the Buddha taught to many, bhikhus, householders, royalty, those practicing other paths, all according to their understanding? Even what he expresses to them leads to more harmony within the context that they reside. Sadhu, Doug!
Thanks, Michael. Yes that's right. He seems to have taught to people where they were, just as you say.
Namo Buddhaya 😊🙏
In addition to what Doug said, if you are into social sciences, have a look at political science scholar William Long’s work. He unearthed Shakyamuni’s points on economic, political and social organization. In fact, one could argue that the Vinaya is a take on political organization. And indeed, dukkha is at the center of all his points.
Long uses the philosophical foundations of Buddhism as a whole to think about world politics in all its complexity. Some may bitch about the fact that he mixes Mahayana stuff - Buddha nature and emptiness - with Pali Canon stuff - the 3 marks of existence -, but after all, all these concepts provide the foundation for a view of reality that is closer to what the latest neuroscience/quantum physics tell us than our still pervasive traditional western ontology - indeed we are not discreet individual above nature with a fixed brain. Since, theory, as a part of the view, contribute greatly to generating our reality, this is a welcome effort.
Anyways, just wanted to add this to Doug’s great video.
Here is the link to the book, it’s short and free so enjoy!:
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Metta to all of you :)
Interesting, thanks!
Budha teach middle path by which you know every thing in universe
Does Buddhism believe in rebirth?
Some Buddhists do, others don't. Traditionally, Buddhism teaches rebirth.
First you must admit you suffer, this is 99% of the task done. Second you must find out what suffers, not who, who assumes from the ofset there is a who that suffers, so logically you will assume its always a you. What? Is it that suffers will help more.
Did the Buddha teach Vajrayogini tantra?
See my earlier video on Vajrayāna: ruclips.net/video/YVZGzgFbnGg/видео.html
@@DougsDharma Ok thank you. I'm watching it now.
Suffering in Buddhism means craving..
Well suffering is conditioned by craving.
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Did The Buddha say anything about witches, goblins and ghouls? lol
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