DoT fr needs help. It's literally just Kafka and Black Swan at this point and its sad to see them getting hella neglected when they're clear fan favorites character wise. Super Break was only truly introduced in 2.2 and already it has more characters than DoT with even more to come if you look at leaks lol. Meanwhile there's been at least 1 FuA oriented character every patch from 2.1 to 2.5.
For real, the only way to help DoT right now is vertical investment. I just got Black Swan e1 (one of the best first eidolons in the game) and my DoT team feels strong again. But I was hoping 5 star Tingyun was a DoT support but apparently she's a freaking super break support....when that team is already insane and doesn't need a buff.
Honestly depends on how you categorize Break characters, and whether you count Ruan Mei as originally a DoT support, that was then retroactively made into a Break character because of 2-3 buffs(+20% Break Effect,+50% Weakness Break Efficiency, and +10% speed ) in her entire kit Break has 5 characters(RM, Boothill, FF, HTB and Xueyi), 7 if you count Sushang and Luka. DoT has Kafka, BS, Jiaoqiu, Sampo, Luka and Guinaifen, so only 6, RM kit is basically DoT support EX, like literally everything she does is something DoT wants, specially in 1.0 as DoT's identity was mixed with Break, due to Break DoT's, so her kit focusing in Break made sense, though i honestly don't know whether its fair to count her as a DoT character currently, if yes 7.
@@asafesseidonsapphire Ruan Mei is a DoT support, the only characters that can use the 100% of her kit are DoT characters. Breaking faster and stronger applies a stronger DoT, spd and dmg% is the stats that DoT wants to get, the boss having a turn skipped and taking free DoT damage, DoT loves that. Def shred is clearly the direction they want DoT to go with their signature set, BS skill and LC, RM ult and their early eidolons It just so happens that she's the best unit in the game so she's good everywhere else too, including super break teamcomps, but don't forget that neither break nor superbreak scale off dmg% and that's a big chunk of RM passive, giving a 68% damage increase, all wasted What DoT needs is a new sustain, HH is really good but someone that heals via DoT damage would be better, or a shielder that applies dots when an enemy attacks the shield or something like that
Hard agree with Boot being T0 Btw yeah CN data doesnt exclude whales. All kinds of data are flawed because it shows average cycles considering both sides. If a team 8 cycles first half and a team 1 cycles second half, the average cycles for the characters of second team will become 1+8 = 9 cycles even though they 1 cycled. And data also underrates hard to play characters potential
@@crashsparrow6943 that wasnt what I was saying. If you know how the average cycle for a character is calculated you would understand. Suppose Im using Hook in first half and cleared in 6 cycles, Acheron in second half and cleared in 3 cycles, my data will provide Acheron's cycle being 6+3=9. Then more data is gathered from all the people who played acheron and average cycle is created . Hoyolab doesnt show separated cycles for each half so it has to be like this, which is flawed because good teams and units can be pushed back because of bad teams and units on other half and vice versa. It also depends on investment and skill I worded it badly though lol
I knew Feixiao would be an easy T0 when I zero cycled MoC 12 for the first time ever with E0 S0. I knew she would be strong, but she exceeded my expectations being both fun to play and strong as fuck 😂
The difference between them at e0s1 isn't that big, matching the element matters more than the one you pick at that point, but basically no one has Ratio's LC because he's not a waifu so.
I never really take into account people's average cycles. They seem all over the place for me, especially since it includes people who may not have built characters properly or made working comps.
This MOC I got lazy and let my super break team plus my dot team auto their way to a 10 cycle clear. It's a good thing it won't get scraped because I've got eidolons on both sides...
The only "1 t0" is such a bad take especially with how far we're in the game. Theres too many units for you to only want ONE single person in one tier. That is insane. Especially since the gap between the tiers are actually quite large.
Yeah the idea that people want one T1 is not really that bad. We still have categories, so you can have multiple T0 characters but of different unique styles.
I do have Firefly and Acheron and I still use dot alot. I don’t want to say that it’s the most broken team of them all, but I think it’s still very good. I did Moc 12 with Kafka and Black swan and I always use them in pure fiction with Acheron and it works super well
yeah despite the lack of support lately other than jiaoqiu for acheron the nihility moms still do surprisingly well. different than other chars that are almost completely reliant on the setting
@@YumiSumiredotcheron always guaranteed at least 35k one side for me, if the rng hits then 40k, other half is herta-himeko and they don't even need to try by that point
I have the same 3 teams. Honestly at this point there's zero reason to for me to pull when it comes to clearing content. Best move is to just save until new 3.0 metas (unless a new harmony comes out before then which would be the only exception)
I doubt it was written by a human. The language is too verbose in some areas, there are spelling / grammar errors, and overall doesn’t read like something a person wrote. People are already claiming it is ChatGPT too which is funny
@@nabilfikrizaIt's not based on current MoC. If that's the case, then DHIL and Jingliu would've dropped to T2 while JY remains at T1.5 because JY cleared faster. They base it on performance trends across multiple MoCs. So a DPS unit that trends down in performance may change its tier.
@@lewsee5562Jingliu and DHIL dropped to T2? That's the most cope thing I've seen all day, Jingliu is still incredibly good second side because of all the ice weakness and especially if you have her E1, DHIl also does really well on first side with the 3 targets and all imaginary weakness, if anything they should be going up
Alright i think its time we have this conversation... Fu Xuan should be Tier 1. Im calling it rn. She has no teams where she's the best option, in super break teams you run gallagher, in dot teams, huo huo, in follow up its aventurine and lingsha, literally any other team would prefer huo huo still over her unless the ENTIRE team doesnt use energy. And to top it off, no one builds her for damage. Imo she should be tier 1 right now or at the very least, Tier 1 when lingsha drops, cuz she aint on the same level as lingsha and gallagher
I literally clear mock 12 aventurines side without a sustain using Boothill bro put that man on tier 0 ain't no way firefly up there without boothill also being there
Pridewin is trying to stir drama smg boothill atleast for this MOC outperforms fraudfly by a huge margin they also put acheron on a watchlist like she hasn't been consistently clearing and 0 cycling despite mocs not favouring her
@@Indian_gae_boii”By a HUGE margin.” Boothill copers are a different breed of human I swear 😂. She 0 cycles Kafka easily and 1 cycles aventurine. Boothill has her beat by one cycle against the single target boss. You know, the thing hunt characters are supposed to be better at? Get a grip my man.
@@TerraTheWise even Blade 0 cycles Kafka what 🤣 also Boothill 0 cycles Aventurine wifh 2 cost FF needs E2 to do that. Theres a pretty big difference. I have always seen you hating on BH omg grow up 🤣
I can't wait to see Feixiao get powercrept in 3.x and have the cycle repeat. "With the impact of X character's insane performance at f2p investment, we have decided to put Feixiao on a watchlist as X character performs at roughly the same level as her. However, X character has more potential to see their value elevated with future units that synergize better with them." Enough glazing. Powercreep's getting insane in this game. This crap's gonna keep happening over and over at a frequent rate. Also, please stop saying Ratio is free. He was free.
Powercreep isn't as bad as some make it out to be, Ratio released in 1.X and his powerlevel is only slightly below Feixiao. The reason some characters are becoming worse is because the developers are neglecting them, not because they're way worse than newer units.
But does it matter tho?? This is coming from a Acheron main/Dot, There’s no content in the game that makes you do a MUST pull on a certain character for you to be able to beat it and it doesn’t make sense from a company perspective either, imagine if every four characters the fifth one is always stronger than the last fifth one? MOST of the players would skip the four characters and always pull on the fifth one, only a small and I mean small percentage would pull on the other four because they like the character itself while the other pick the fifth one to have bragging rights about their character being the strongest at the moment so I agree with you that there is power creep but does it really matter? Selee is still doing good and her old ass was a launch character same goes for others, the older the character is the more brain power you need to use while the newer ones you turn it off
powercreep is occuring yes, but I have had no issues using all the previous "shit chars" and constantly am able to 12/12/12 ever content. With more support characters, more older characters will see resurgence, same with relic sets. Yes, power creep is going strong but more and more unique teams are coming out and I believe every character will always be able to be used so long as their relics are good and you're not a stupid ass player.
Am I the only one why just simply throw Bootyhill and FF together and say fuck it? They cover each other's weaknesses so well and their toughness break efficiency is insane, you almost never take any damages. I do this in every MoC lol
I would say to bump up gepard!!! When built well, he has really good shielding and he can get it up quite frequently especially with his LC. He can also freeze the enemies quite consistently. I think if meta changes towards ice weakness, he will definently move up a tier
Dr ratio being in T0.5 doesn't surprise me when all his BiS teammates are either T0.5 or T0. Imagine if we get a sustain or a hypercarry harmony that can also constantly apply debuffs, acheron is gonna be the peak of T0 by then
Or if there is a harmony that can steal the characters class they buff. Buff Acheron become nihility, proc Acheron Passive. Hoyo won't do it but Prayge
Okay so as someone who ran blade in this moc along side mei and bronya... Bro needs to be at least tier 1.5 and imo tier 1. JESUS he can fuckin cook on that team, i'm a bit biased though cuz i find his playstyle fun, and him being light on SP while being a HP scaling dps means he performs surprisingly well on double dps teams with ruan mei as their buffer, he basically benefits from the entirety of her kit, if you throw in another dps who offers some supporting utility like March 7th with her 20% speed and 60% crit damage mf COOKS
Acheron still better for most content due to AOE. But Feixiao single target damage and follow attacks actually are insanely strong bursts for how often they both occur.
looking at it its slowly becoming more necissary to have a clense or high effect res on ur sustain so i dont mind bailu getting droped down even though i do think she is still better than linx however if bailu got dropped down i don't see why gepard didn't drop as well
@@archerkuro4158 I think gepard will drop eventually, Im guessing it's because rn the competition for healers is much stiffer than shielders. Rn the only direct competition gepard has is aventurine (fx counts too as a tank ig but she's not a shielder so I don't consider her a one for one replacement of gepard) and gepard still has good synergy with Acheron as a trend holder. And both aven and fx are limited 5*. Meanwhile bailu is outclassed by every healer that's not natasha, including Gallagher and lynx who are 4*. If you have those healers there's no reason to pick bailu
@@curryfishheadenjoyer as someone who has been trying to use lynxe with my blade and yunli a cleanse doesn’t mean jack when the team just dies to normal damage so I still think bailu is better then lynx against a lot of bosses but yeah gallegar was the nail in the coffin for bailu he is a 4 star that heals as well as she does and against fire weak enemies he is strait up better
@@archerkuro4158gepard has very high agro so he can take the attacks that are going to cc you and resist them While with bailu it's just luck for you to resist it. (although getting hit with gepard is still luck it's better odds and you can increase the odd even more with some LC.)
Sustainless Boothill runs are fun to watch but I think it’s probably pretty frustrating to do because blud can just not finish a fight with his health not in the red 😂 That said after checking the criteria on Prydwen there is nothing about comfort or using a sustain so by their own standards I do think I have to agree he is t0. Not exactly a great unit to pick up as a beginner tho, imo, even tho he screams F2P friendly.
As a dot main, i have e2 s1 black swan and e0s0 kafka, fully f2p ( i got lucky on an early 5 star, otherwise would've been e1s1 swan) can approve, eidolons on those two allow me to run them against literally any enemy regardless of weakness and still clear in ma 3 cycles
Clara resurgence is real I 1 cycled Kafka and 2 cycled Aventurine with E0S0 Clara. I don't think it would be an exaggeration that Clara saved my account I was struggling to get 60k in Pure Fiction before now I get 80k.
Ok, the firefly glazing is understandable, sure...however, why tf is boothill not in the same tier, exactly?...when he has a higher dmg ceiling, more teammate variety, and is just as strong at e0. Just cause some people are (respectfully) ass at using him doesn't mean he's inferior to Firefly. Sure, he's on the "watchlist," but why was it even debatable to begin with? Also, the feixiao dick suck is a bit exaggerative, imo. She do be rly strong for sure. Especially considering her best team with proper investment. Not even debatable... but to claim she's already strong enough to warrant being above acheron (especially post jiaoqiu) by a whole tier is just cap. I respect prydwin, but their "internal testing" has become rather questionable at best with a lot of the placements. And their watchlist is starting to look like a "flavour of the month" rather than actually formulating a proper theory on these units and where they should go based on how strong their actual kits and team comps are.
@orangenoob2768 I'm gonna choose to assume ur simply correcting an error (made by auto correct, tbf) and not just being a dick without adding anything to the discussion at hand (correcting an error is welcome, but the lack of any other input after allat is...something).
@orion615 ye I guess but I'm not even saying swap them. I'm just saying he's literally just as strong if not stronger, but the trade-off is that he's harder to use. That's not even slandering FF, lol. It's also not the only example...blade also has been performing rly well for every and I mean literally everyone who used em and all it took is a an on element stage for em to be used in...but he's sumhow still that low?
@@Tiasung Is Aventurine boss still the same compared to its MOC debut? I remember barely clearing it in MOC12 some months ago. It was easily the worst time I ever had with HSR before I quit. Surely they've tweaked the fight to be less awful, right? Or is it still just obnoxious dice spam?
I agree with the T0 take, but I think I can give a pass for the Sustain category since Aventurine and Huohuo are different kinds of Sustains, one's a shielder, the other's a healer. It's a bit unfair and can be problematic if we're going to compare tanks to healers, because it'll lead to issues like blaming healers for not being bulky enough or tanks not being able to battery, etc.
argenti's issue is that his energy needs keep him locked to Tingyun and her buffs cant compete anymore. The minute we get a 5 star energy buffin harmony unit with 5 star level buffs, Argenti stocks are going way the fuck up.
I still use Jingliu but honestly the lack of proper 5* support and a proper relic set for her really makes her fall off. I'm running the 4pc quantum but it's so fkin weak against non-quantum weak enemies and IDK if I want to go and farm a ice relic set when it's so weak
When I am at hard pity fexiao, just finished the luka and yanqing fight quest and guess what… I got a brand new hunt character. The one and only Yanqing
the way hsr is going prydwen should really rework there tier list with single target, multi target, and break and dot. but there testing is flawed since all characters are at 8 lvl talents
Not essentially, been playing since 1.0 and the only character I have with high eidolons is welt at E4, then E1 Gepard. Plus I also l lack both Himeko and Yanqing
Having feixiao finally it doesn't take 10 cycles for MoC Idk why even with meta dps...i always not get good support for them like acheron example. Recently I got lucky to fully made firefly team but the other side falls short still 10 cycles total. But now I'm finally getting feixiao finally something changed
I did 7 cycles total with FART and Acheron Kafka BlackSwan and Fu Xuan. I think thats pretty solid maybe? I genuinely don't know how fast I should be clearing.
The day I stop being able to auto battle all content with my Acheron team is when I would somewhat care. This tier list is made for 0 cycle min maxers, everything above tier 0.5 is already more than needed even when you arent even playing.
If prydwrn tier list based non signature E0 unit, Acheron not deserved in T0, i often watch livestream moc, acheron without signature is really bad now
Idk I pulled it off with a well tuned jingliu cleared in 3 cycles but almost dead. Pulled for feixiao having low expectations but straight up 0 cycled for me on auto 😢
they need to do something about argenti man. His gameplay is too slow for MOC, he doesnt have a good 4pc or 2pc, and we dont have any ult and energy buffing harmonys except tingyun, and nobody buffs ult damage except jiaoqiu who you would never run with argenti.
Why do they have March 7th as E3, even though you get E6 for free? While Moze is at E6 even though that would require hundreds of pulls on this current banner.
i don´t care how many are in tier 0 but if there can be only 1 then there should be 0 tier zero and both should go down to 0.5 and drag the other units all one tier down
They need to release that 2nd path for Jing Yuan soon because imagine being called General and Emanator of the Hunt and you're lurking at T2 the second hand embarrassment I feel for him😭
Damn Clara climbing the ranks. Maybe now Iyo will max out her traces
This comment is diabolical 💀
Im laughing 😂
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He still edging maximun the traces 🗿
@@evancruz3775 really reaLLY REALLLYY,,,,, pausechamp,,, DIABOLICALLL...
I started pulling for Feixiao and then Bronya be like "You looking for Wind?"
hilarious this happened to me too. ended up getting e0/s1 fei & e1 bronya right after. So now I’m waiting til next unit I want.
Lol same thing happened to me. I was surprised Bronya showed up. I thought it was gonna be Yanqing.
in my case, Clara said "Are you looking for FuA DPS?"
this happened to me too lol
Happened to me too
why didnt they make the new boss ice weak, such a missed opportunity for jing liu and yanqing to shine, which makes sense if you played the quest
DoT fr needs help. It's literally just Kafka and Black Swan at this point and its sad to see them getting hella neglected when they're clear fan favorites character wise. Super Break was only truly introduced in 2.2 and already it has more characters than DoT with even more to come if you look at leaks lol. Meanwhile there's been at least 1 FuA oriented character every patch from 2.1 to 2.5.
For real, the only way to help DoT right now is vertical investment. I just got Black Swan e1 (one of the best first eidolons in the game) and my DoT team feels strong again.
But I was hoping 5 star Tingyun was a DoT support but apparently she's a freaking super break support....when that team is already insane and doesn't need a buff.
@@Sable813 Tingyun will allow DoT to deal Super Break damage Copium
Honestly depends on how you categorize Break characters, and whether you count Ruan Mei as originally a DoT support, that was then retroactively made into a Break character because of 2-3 buffs(+20% Break Effect,+50% Weakness Break Efficiency, and +10% speed ) in her entire kit
Break has 5 characters(RM, Boothill, FF, HTB and Xueyi), 7 if you count Sushang and Luka.
DoT has Kafka, BS, Jiaoqiu, Sampo, Luka and Guinaifen, so only 6, RM kit is basically DoT support EX, like literally everything she does is something DoT wants, specially in 1.0 as DoT's identity was mixed with Break, due to Break DoT's, so her kit focusing in Break made sense, though i honestly don't know whether its fair to count her as a DoT character currently, if yes 7.
@@asafesseidonsapphire ruanmei is more like universal support break didnt get full potential of ruanmei either.
@@asafesseidonsapphire Ruan Mei is a DoT support, the only characters that can use the 100% of her kit are DoT characters. Breaking faster and stronger applies a stronger DoT, spd and dmg% is the stats that DoT wants to get, the boss having a turn skipped and taking free DoT damage, DoT loves that. Def shred is clearly the direction they want DoT to go with their signature set, BS skill and LC, RM ult and their early eidolons
It just so happens that she's the best unit in the game so she's good everywhere else too, including super break teamcomps, but don't forget that neither break nor superbreak scale off dmg% and that's a big chunk of RM passive, giving a 68% damage increase, all wasted
What DoT needs is a new sustain, HH is really good but someone that heals via DoT damage would be better, or a shielder that applies dots when an enemy attacks the shield or something like that
Lmao Fua team replaced Ratio with the general 😂
Lmao ratio got dogged on
The Dr. RAT team has been converted to the FART team
From RRAT to FART
I mean Fexiao just is better ratio 🤷♀️
@@badwithusernames FRAT at least 😂
Hard agree with Boot being T0
Btw yeah CN data doesnt exclude whales. All kinds of data are flawed because it shows average cycles considering both sides. If a team 8 cycles first half and a team 1 cycles second half, the average cycles for the characters of second team will become 1+8 = 9 cycles even though they 1 cycled. And data also underrates hard to play characters potential
The average between 8 and 1 is 4.5, by the way, not 9.
@@crashsparrow6943 that wasnt what I was saying. If you know how the average cycle for a character is calculated you would understand. Suppose Im using Hook in first half and cleared in 6 cycles, Acheron in second half and cleared in 3 cycles, my data will provide Acheron's cycle being 6+3=9. Then more data is gathered from all the people who played acheron and average cycle is created . Hoyolab doesnt show separated cycles for each half so it has to be like this, which is flawed because good teams and units can be pushed back because of bad teams and units on other half and vice versa. It also depends on investment and skill
I worded it badly though lol
@@Sgyjtiiipiuuo6 Oh, I see, my bad! I misunderstood what you were saying.
I knew Feixiao would be an easy T0 when I zero cycled MoC 12 for the first time ever with E0 S0. I knew she would be strong, but she exceeded my expectations being both fun to play and strong as fuck 😂
Same did my first zero cycle with her today as well
FUA is dopamine ngl. Moze and Feixiao going back to back to back, then Aventurine is just brrrt.
Hoyo needs to give the bosses 5 million more HP now lol
@@Flare8124 No. I'm fine with where the hp is
@@babyplum2837
You're fine with it, but Hoyo's wallet thinks otherwise.
It’s nice to see u loving on boothill now
3 months later: Feixiao dead in a ditch
Someone: I told you so
Feixiao and Dr. Ratio only having 0.5 gap in the tier list
Some people: *oMg, Ratio is USEless noW* 😭
I mean if you have fexiao.......ya he kinda is useless cause they have the same team
If u don't have fexiao ratio still up there for top teirs
I mean tbf he needs at least e1/s1 Topaz or a nihility character to be consistent which hold back his performance alot
The difference between them at e0s1 isn't that big, matching the element matters more than the one you pick at that point, but basically no one has Ratio's LC because he's not a waifu so.
@@Hououin818 his best team is hypercarry which doesn't include topaz
On the hands of the skill issue T0.5 isn’t enough to help them 36 star moc
I never really take into account people's average cycles. They seem all over the place for me, especially since it includes people who may not have built characters properly or made working comps.
Not to mention it considers both sides so its not actually average cycle for one character
@@Sgyjtiiipiuuo6 Agreed. That itself can skew data as well. There are just too many variables to account for.
This MOC I got lazy and let my super break team plus my dot team auto their way to a 10 cycle clear. It's a good thing it won't get scraped because I've got eidolons on both sides...
The only "1 t0" is such a bad take especially with how far we're in the game. Theres too many units for you to only want ONE single person in one tier. That is insane. Especially since the gap between the tiers are actually quite large.
Also calling it the "NTR meme" has to be one of the most brainrotting things I've heard today I'm ngl
@@fr3941whats the ntr meme and does it apply to this situation?
@@yvandiomande5850I am curious about this as well but I can somewhat guess what it could be
thats what the tier 0.5 is for tho? t0 best and t0.5 great
Yeah the idea that people want one T1 is not really that bad. We still have categories, so you can have multiple T0 characters but of different unique styles.
I do have Firefly and Acheron and I still use dot alot. I don’t want to say that it’s the most broken team of them all, but I think it’s still very good. I did Moc 12 with Kafka and Black swan and I always use them in pure fiction with Acheron and it works super well
yeah despite the lack of support lately other than jiaoqiu for acheron the nihility moms still do surprisingly well. different than other chars that are almost completely reliant on the setting
I mostly use them for Pure Fiction at this point.
@@YumiSumiredotcheron always guaranteed at least 35k one side for me, if the rng hits then 40k, other half is herta-himeko and they don't even need to try by that point
Triple DoT Acheron is basically the most bruteforce team ever in HSR
I have the same 3 teams. Honestly at this point there's zero reason to for me to pull when it comes to clearing content. Best move is to just save until new 3.0 metas (unless a new harmony comes out before then which would be the only exception)
this changelog was 100% written by AI, wtf is Huohuo being good for "tuning"? She gives you luck when rolling for substats in WuWa?
Tuning as in for energy rotations
On the HSR sub they said so as well
Brainrot.
@akshayreddy4071 nobody calls energy rotations as "tuning"
I doubt it was written by a human. The language is too verbose in some areas, there are spelling / grammar errors, and overall doesn’t read like something a person wrote.
People are already claiming it is ChatGPT too which is funny
I'm glad pokke stopped clowning on boothill. Its like after his patch he forgot he was one of the best single target burst in the game lol
13:41 BOOTHILL MAINS LOVE U AGAIN
I'll believe the tier list after a patch or 2 when there's no buff and enemy lineup advantage
This. People throwing out 0 cycling Kafka when she's missing a whole health bar is always hilarious to me
I can definitely see Feixiao dropping half a tier, but not more than that.
Tier list is based on the current moc though. It will be an eternal wait for you.
@@nabilfikrizaIt's not based on current MoC. If that's the case, then DHIL and Jingliu would've dropped to T2 while JY remains at T1.5 because JY cleared faster.
They base it on performance trends across multiple MoCs. So a DPS unit that trends down in performance may change its tier.
@@lewsee5562Jingliu and DHIL dropped to T2? That's the most cope thing I've seen all day, Jingliu is still incredibly good second side because of all the ice weakness and especially if you have her E1, DHIl also does really well on first side with the 3 targets and all imaginary weakness, if anything they should be going up
Alright i think its time we have this conversation... Fu Xuan should be Tier 1. Im calling it rn. She has no teams where she's the best option, in super break teams you run gallagher, in dot teams, huo huo, in follow up its aventurine and lingsha, literally any other team would prefer huo huo still over her unless the ENTIRE team doesnt use energy. And to top it off, no one builds her for damage. Imo she should be tier 1 right now or at the very least, Tier 1 when lingsha drops, cuz she aint on the same level as lingsha and gallagher
“There can only be one” is such a weird rule given the amount of context placed around this tier list
For me, T0 should be a metric on if they are close in power/performance. The take of "it should only be 1 or a max of 2" is pretty bad imo.
Should Acheron stay beside her? Yes….
Huehue being T0 brings a tear to my eye 🥺
I’m glad to see more Boothill glazing. He always eviscerated any content I threw him at
Boothill is underrated for sure :-)
I literally clear mock 12 aventurines side without a sustain using Boothill bro put that man on tier 0 ain't no way firefly up there without boothill also being there
bro said mock
Pridewin is trying to stir drama smg boothill atleast for this MOC outperforms fraudfly by a huge margin they also put acheron on a watchlist like she hasn't been consistently clearing and 0 cycling despite mocs not favouring her
@@Indian_gae_boii”By a HUGE margin.” Boothill copers are a different breed of human I swear 😂. She 0 cycles Kafka easily and 1 cycles aventurine. Boothill has her beat by one cycle against the single target boss. You know, the thing hunt characters are supposed to be better at? Get a grip my man.
@@TerraTheWise caught ✋🙂✋
@@TerraTheWise even Blade 0 cycles Kafka what 🤣 also Boothill 0 cycles Aventurine wifh 2 cost FF needs E2 to do that. Theres a pretty big difference. I have always seen you hating on BH omg grow up 🤣
Yeah it's first time for me to zero cycled Moc 12 for this game when I use Feixiao. She deserved T0 for highest single target damage ever.
Agree boothill is amazing and the tier is quite do him injslustice
I can't wait to see Feixiao get powercrept in 3.x and have the cycle repeat.
"With the impact of X character's insane performance at f2p investment, we have decided to put Feixiao on a watchlist as X character performs at roughly the same level as her. However, X character has more potential to see their value elevated with future units that synergize better with them."
Enough glazing. Powercreep's getting insane in this game. This crap's gonna keep happening over and over at a frequent rate. Also, please stop saying Ratio is free. He was free.
Powercreep isn't as bad as some make it out to be, Ratio released in 1.X and his powerlevel is only slightly below Feixiao. The reason some characters are becoming worse is because the developers are neglecting them, not because they're way worse than newer units.
But does it matter tho?? This is coming from a Acheron main/Dot, There’s no content in the game that makes you do a MUST pull on a certain character for you to be able to beat it and it doesn’t make sense from a company perspective either, imagine if every four characters the fifth one is always stronger than the last fifth one? MOST of the players would skip the four characters and always pull on the fifth one, only a small and I mean small percentage would pull on the other four because they like the character itself while the other pick the fifth one to have bragging rights about their character being the strongest at the moment so I agree with you that there is power creep but does it really matter? Selee is still doing good and her old ass was a launch character same goes for others, the older the character is the more brain power you need to use while the newer ones you turn it off
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Agreed many players including me did not get him. CCs really gotta stop saying this as many players are new or returning players that don't have him.
powercreep is occuring yes, but I have had no issues using all the previous "shit chars" and constantly am able to 12/12/12 ever content. With more support characters, more older characters will see resurgence, same with relic sets. Yes, power creep is going strong but more and more unique teams are coming out and I believe every character will always be able to be used so long as their relics are good and you're not a stupid ass player.
Am I the only one why just simply throw Bootyhill and FF together and say fuck it? They cover each other's weaknesses so well and their toughness break efficiency is insane, you almost never take any damages. I do this in every MoC lol
I LOVE POWER CREEP RAIL
BASED BOOTHILL TAKES WE LOVE TO SEE IT
The meta in this game changes with every single new characters💀
False.
Different moc enemies, different characters shine
You know that's the whole point of the meta in every single live service game, right? That it changes often?
@@osmano8498not as often as hsr
Anyone find it funny he directly tells his editor to stop the QQ hate edits?
I will be awaiting for that Boothill video patiently!!!!
I would say to bump up gepard!!! When built well, he has really good shielding and he can get it up quite frequently especially with his LC. He can also freeze the enemies quite consistently. I think if meta changes towards ice weakness, he will definently move up a tier
I always use Jingliu on that MoC floor with the swarm boss, and she hasn’t let me down yet.
Glad I pulled Yunli E0S1 before, she is adorable and strong cat.
Dr ratio being in T0.5 doesn't surprise me when all his BiS teammates are either T0.5 or T0.
Imagine if we get a sustain or a hypercarry harmony that can also constantly apply debuffs, acheron is gonna be the peak of T0 by then
gallagher is more than enough for ratio to consistently hit
she's already T0
For those 0turn no sustain run, maybe huh?
Or if there is a harmony that can steal the characters class they buff. Buff Acheron become nihility, proc Acheron Passive. Hoyo won't do it but Prayge
Ratio with JQ is insane….
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Okay so as someone who ran blade in this moc along side mei and bronya... Bro needs to be at least tier 1.5 and imo tier 1. JESUS he can fuckin cook on that team, i'm a bit biased though cuz i find his playstyle fun, and him being light on SP while being a HP scaling dps means he performs surprisingly well on double dps teams with ruan mei as their buffer, he basically benefits from the entirety of her kit, if you throw in another dps who offers some supporting utility like March 7th with her 20% speed and 60% crit damage mf COOKS
Pokke single handedly raising Boothill stonks fr. Based
Acheron still better for most content due to AOE.
But Feixiao single target damage and follow attacks actually are insanely strong bursts for how often they both occur.
I love the fact that they lowered Jing Yuan's ranking when he's actually good in the current MOC
30:20 No shit sherlock. CN data includes eidolons
looking at it its slowly becoming more necissary to have a clense or high effect res on ur sustain so i dont mind bailu getting droped down even though i do think she is still better than linx however if bailu got dropped down i don't see why gepard didn't drop as well
@@archerkuro4158 I think gepard will drop eventually, Im guessing it's because rn the competition for healers is much stiffer than shielders. Rn the only direct competition gepard has is aventurine (fx counts too as a tank ig but she's not a shielder so I don't consider her a one for one replacement of gepard) and gepard still has good synergy with Acheron as a trend holder. And both aven and fx are limited 5*. Meanwhile bailu is outclassed by every healer that's not natasha, including Gallagher and lynx who are 4*. If you have those healers there's no reason to pick bailu
@@curryfishheadenjoyer as someone who has been trying to use lynxe with my blade and yunli a cleanse doesn’t mean jack when the team just dies to normal damage so I still think bailu is better then lynx against a lot of bosses but yeah gallegar was the nail in the coffin for bailu he is a 4 star that heals as well as she does and against fire weak enemies he is strait up better
@@archerkuro4158gepard has very high agro so he can take the attacks that are going to cc you and resist them
While with bailu it's just luck for you to resist it.
(although getting hit with gepard is still luck it's better odds and you can increase the odd even more with some LC.)
gepard can run trend of the universal mar/et.
I USE FIRE TRAILBLAZER WITH TREND WITH ACHERON ON PURE FICTION SPECIFICALLY. I HAVE NO OTHER PRESERVATION CHARACTERS AND I NEED THE EXTRA STACKS
qq slander finally ended, +1 like
"What did prime jingliu look like" it was amazing 👴
pls make jingliu good again
If Acheron and Feixiao couldn't ignore weakness type to reduce stamina, would they be as good?
Edit: (it is a bad mechanic)
Sustainless Boothill runs are fun to watch but I think it’s probably pretty frustrating to do because blud can just not finish a fight with his health not in the red 😂
That said after checking the criteria on Prydwen there is nothing about comfort or using a sustain so by their own standards I do think I have to agree he is t0. Not exactly a great unit to pick up as a beginner tho, imo, even tho he screams F2P friendly.
As a dot main, i have e2 s1 black swan and e0s0 kafka, fully f2p ( i got lucky on an early 5 star, otherwise would've been e1s1 swan) can approve, eidolons on those two allow me to run them against literally any enemy regardless of weakness and still clear in ma 3 cycles
Clara resurgence is real I 1 cycled Kafka and 2 cycled Aventurine with E0S0 Clara. I don't think it would be an exaggeration that Clara saved my account I was struggling to get 60k in Pure Fiction before now I get 80k.
Jing Yuan will rise again like he always does!
JUSTICE FOR BOOTHILL YEAHHH
pela is crazy, no matter who the dps is, came and go, she still there in support slot lol
Honestly SW should be T2 cuz she aint Pela tier
Ok, the firefly glazing is understandable, sure...however, why tf is boothill not in the same tier, exactly?...when he has a higher dmg ceiling, more teammate variety, and is just as strong at e0. Just cause some people are (respectfully) ass at using him doesn't mean he's inferior to Firefly. Sure, he's on the "watchlist," but why was it even debatable to begin with?
Also, the feixiao dick suck is a bit exaggerative, imo. She do be rly strong for sure. Especially considering her best team with proper investment.
Not even debatable... but to claim she's already strong enough to warrant being above acheron (especially post jiaoqiu) by a whole tier is just cap.
I respect prydwin, but their "internal testing" has become rather questionable at best with a lot of the placements. And their watchlist is starting to look like a "flavour of the month" rather than actually formulating a proper theory on these units and where they should go based on how strong their actual kits and team comps are.
Dmg ceiling*
@orangenoob2768 I'm gonna choose to assume ur simply correcting an error (made by auto correct, tbf) and not just being a dick without adding anything to the discussion at hand (correcting an error is welcome, but the lack of any other input after allat is...something).
The firefly simps will be on their a*s
@orion615 ye I guess but I'm not even saying swap them. I'm just saying he's literally just as strong if not stronger, but the trade-off is that he's harder to use. That's not even slandering FF, lol. It's also not the only example...blade also has been performing rly well for every and I mean literally everyone who used em and all it took is a an on element stage for em to be used in...but he's sumhow still that low?
@@TacticalDimples I thought that prydwen stopped looking at buffs a few month ago.
Love pokke not knowing his units. Moze gives skill points on his follow up…
a whole floor weak to ice and Jingliu still mid, if they release a second ice dps is gonna be the nail on the coffin for Jingliu. lol
So Jingliu is considered mid these days? The powercreep in HSR seems like it's not stopping any time soon.
Aventurine boss fight isnt good for Jingliu because the downtime with cubes hurts her enhanced form uptime.
@@Tiasung Is Aventurine boss still the same compared to its MOC debut? I remember barely clearing it in MOC12 some months ago. It was easily the worst time I ever had with HSR before I quit.
Surely they've tweaked the fight to be less awful, right? Or is it still just obnoxious dice spam?
Clara in the same tier as Jingliu and DHIL was an unexpected but welcome surprise for me as a Celala main
You can't have a single unit in T0 because different bosses utilize different mechanics.
Since my e0s1 Boothill basically one shot Argenti in AS for ~1,2 million damage, I'll sing his high praises until I drop. Boots the goat!
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I agree with the T0 take, but I think I can give a pass for the Sustain category since Aventurine and Huohuo are different kinds of Sustains, one's a shielder, the other's a healer. It's a bit unfair and can be problematic if we're going to compare tanks to healers, because it'll lead to issues like blaming healers for not being bulky enough or tanks not being able to battery, etc.
argenti's issue is that his energy needs keep him locked to Tingyun and her buffs cant compete anymore. The minute we get a 5 star energy buffin harmony unit with 5 star level buffs, Argenti stocks are going way the fuck up.
I still use Jingliu but honestly the lack of proper 5* support and a proper relic set for her really makes her fall off. I'm running the 4pc quantum but it's so fkin weak against non-quantum weak enemies and IDK if I want to go and farm a ice relic set when it's so weak
Ima just say wait for next patch to farm jingliu relics 👀
Jingliu gets new relics in 2.6, so wait for those
I mean personally i think its good to have T0 only limited to two characters for each DPS Support Sustain Specialist
Pulled for Feixiao and got surprised by Clara, can't even complain, hell I'm even happy she's the last standard character I wanted I even have her LC
she's so fucking strong, feixao pretty much solidifies the fact the enemy never gets a turn.
When I am at hard pity fexiao, just finished the luka and yanqing fight quest and guess what… I got a brand new hunt character. The one and only Yanqing
the way hsr is going prydwen should really rework there tier list with single target, multi target, and break and dot. but there testing is flawed since all characters are at 8 lvl talents
There are two teams, BUT there are 4 characters in a team, so there could be, like 4 T0 support characters
At this point they need to consider standard character at e2
Yup. E1 Bronya is tier 1 for sure and maybe higher. And a decent amount of players will get her.
Not essentially, been playing since 1.0 and the only character I have with high eidolons is welt at E4, then E1 Gepard. Plus I also l lack both Himeko and Yanqing
I really regret not going for Boothill, bro is op af
30:30 Prydwen don’t count clears if you have eidolons on limited five stars.
Always been saying bootycheecks better than fireflop finally my streamer listened
Always has been
Having feixiao finally it doesn't take 10 cycles for MoC
Idk why even with meta dps...i always not get good support for them like acheron example.
Recently I got lucky to fully made firefly team but the other side falls short still 10 cycles total.
But now I'm finally getting feixiao finally something changed
I did 7 cycles total with FART and Acheron Kafka BlackSwan and Fu Xuan. I think thats pretty solid maybe? I genuinely don't know how fast I should be clearing.
The day I stop being able to auto battle all content with my Acheron team is when I would somewhat care. This tier list is made for 0 cycle min maxers, everything above tier 0.5 is already more than needed even when you arent even playing.
Calling the FUA team FART instead of FRAT is wild
Dot team need a new main dps (Kafka 2.0), maybe a character that can make dot can crit ?
Kafka isn’t the dps though she’s the driver, any broken dot release will be amplified by her unless they’re another dot trigger like her
Needs a dot sustain with buffs
There's leaks about destruction Kafka
@@Marz333Even if you had another DOT trigger you would run the together
Dot needs the bleed dot. It is the only dot that is based on enemy hp
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What
They know something we don’t
@@Inkyyy235 he won't die if he quit WuWa and don't stream that dead game when it's about to go EoS before their 1.3 update
@@1Apex_LegendProMaster007 lmao, ww rent free in your head😂
@@1Apex_LegendProMaster007 ... Bro are you stupid?
bro i got her and i cant stop ulting holy shit Feixiao is busted, i still want her lightcone for even more bustedness
I stole a friend's E2 feixiao and the ults are literally infinite even with only m7 hunt and aventurine
If you have Dr ratios lightcone try that first is nearly just as good!
She is busted because this MOC build for her but next patch we move to break and aoe because of Lingsha and Rappa.
@@hafiyfiyirfan6976 i was not talking about moc tho
No but like how are people clearing in more than 2 cycles 😭🤚
Lock in bruh
My E3 Clara stonks are rising 📈📈📈
BOOTHILL MAINS RISE UP
19:41 when will he realize his trace gives a skill point every time he does a fua lmao
If prydwrn tier list based non signature E0 unit, Acheron not deserved in T0, i often watch livestream moc, acheron without signature is really bad now
Idk I pulled it off with a well tuned jingliu cleared in 3 cycles but almost dead. Pulled for feixiao having low expectations but straight up 0 cycled for me on auto 😢
ever since BS, the next dot unit was JQ e2 lmao
Before i got Feixiao, the highest damage I've ever done was 300,000 with Ratio's fua
Now my highest is 700,000 lol
they need to do something about argenti man. His gameplay is too slow for MOC, he doesnt have a good 4pc or 2pc, and we dont have any ult and energy buffing harmonys except tingyun, and nobody buffs ult damage except jiaoqiu who you would never run with argenti.
I still dont get why Firefly, Boothill are not "damage dealers". Change the "Damage dealer" to "Crit DPS" Or smth
ok I have to make an important question. Does each banner have its own pity or are they connected
Why do they have March 7th as E3, even though you get E6 for free? While Moze is at E6 even though that would require hundreds of pulls on this current banner.
People slept on jingliu for argenti so hard
i don´t care how many are in tier 0 but if there can be only 1 then there should be 0 tier zero and both should go down to 0.5 and drag the other units all one tier down
To be fair for the T0 there can be just 2 for each team but more yea its a bit much xD
My Xueyi cleared Aventurine way faster than my Jingliu. Still bad, but i got my 36 stars.
They need to release that 2nd path for Jing Yuan soon because imagine being called General and Emanator of the Hunt and you're lurking at T2 the second hand embarrassment I feel for him😭
Clara and DHIL in the same tier is laughable. DHIL and Ratio are the only 1.x DPS units keeping up with the meta
Ratio*
DHIL at e0 is still kinda suspect imo. Still way better than Clara but i wouldn’t put him on the same level as Ratio.
Kafka??
Clara's support are all apex characters. Simply lack of support.
1: dhil at e0 is cheeks.
2: clara got a huge buff from yunli’s lc.