Ok I'm confused. PFF sells its self on being able isolate an individuals play basicly eliminating the force multiplier of having a better WR or Oline. So how does same argument that levis's bad play in 2022 and had bad players on his team work against PFFs calling card on their grading system. Once again a PFF analyst head spins against their own system to make a point. Basicly saying their are exceptions to the PFF grading system??? If levis graded bad then he graded bad so you can't use that argument. Second with Young vs. Stroud. So if Stroud performed amazing against what seen as the best defence we have seen in college football in a while shouldn't that increase his grade and also on the biggest stage in college football. So your telling me it going to harder to take 2 accurate QBs one who is small the other who has problems with pocket awareness and play under pressure the other being small. So it's going to be easier to make Young size less a factor than teaching Stroud better pocket awareness and decision making under pressure. Pretty sure you can develop C.J.s short comming than teaching Young how to grow 3"'s and put on 15 pounds.
@@amazingrando1283 I would not go that far. I would not watch the videos if I didn't think PFF content was not great watch and I belive their grading system to be a great tool it must be some real important ppl in pros do take it into consideration. And on a final note. I would not watch anything I didn't like. I cant understand ppl who watch but don't hit the like button. I mean do ppl actually watch things they do not enjoy just to criticize those things. I mean to each their own but to me seems a rather unsatisfying way to spend your time unless your getting paid to watch things you don't like. But like I said to each their own do what you want.
This episode right here is why people need to stop putting so much stock into these “experts” evaluations, CJ Stroud at 4… it’s okay to listen to for some scouting reports but they have no idea who will be successful and people take the word as gospel
They say Josh Allen is an outlier and it’ll been tough for AR to replicate I’d say Bryce is in the same boat except with Brees and I’d argue we’ve seen athletic qbs have a higher floor, brees is 1 of 1 much harder for me to see young repeat that compared to Richardson doing not even what allen did but he can be cam newton (who’s been to as many super bowls as cam)
Can your guys' audio engineer put a compressor/limiter on the final mix? Mic levels and distances are wild. Constantly adjusting volume. Great content though! Thanks, guys!
What do you think of the Alex Smith comp for CJ stroud... natural thrower of the football, great arm, but not excellent, plus athleticism, but not a high caliber athlete, smart and good reader of the pocket but still has room for growth. To me he is good/great in a lot of categories, but maybe not the best in a single one.
Someone show Sam a picture of KD and Giannis they weight the same yet they look completely different due to body composition everyday he says there is absolutely no way Bryce young is that heavy
It's not just his height. Its his playing weight. Even if you just look at last year's NFL QB's that are in the realm of the small, mobile QB's like Bryce Young (Lamar Jackson, Kyler Murray, Tua T. - all of them have been injury ridden the last two seasons either via standard sacks taking a toll, or leg injuries from scrambling). There is a lot of assumed risk of not having your starting QB on the field. With playoff spots being decided by close margins for most teams any games missed are crucial. The predictable model for Lamar, Tua, and Kyler is that they won't play a full season. And none of them have won much of anything of note in the playoffs to date. Who does Bryce model after that's had a large amount of success in the league to warrant the #1 pick? CJ Stroud would be my choice. Has a near perfect ball arc on his throws and very catchable with good strength to deliver at the NFL level. CJ looks like a technician.
Stroud is a better passer than fields but field’s definitely has a better deep ball plus the athleticism. Idk I still like slightly more athletic Jared Goff for stroud
I'm sorry but for me, I wouldn't touch Bryce. The size will get him hurt, eventually. Every single time a QB has some out who's smaller, they always mention how he doesn't take big hits but all of those QBs have now been injured in the NFL! Lamar, Kyler. You will get hit and hit hard. It's a guarantee.
Disagree. Better field reading and accuracy, yeah. What Young does off-script in creating when there’s nothing is elite and surpasses Burrow’s ability to do that out of college
I love how every uses the bad supporting cast non stop for will Levis but just completely ignores that Richardson didn't have any good weapons either 😂😂😂
I feel like the vast majority of this podcast was you two saying it doesn't matter that Levis and Richardson aren't accurate. They're freaky athletes so they'll be amazing QBs in the NFL!!
Bryce: super creative, smart, quick release. But his frame (not his height) is a risk, AND you guys are overrating his arm. Watch him throw a 30 yard out, he has to put everything he has into it to beat college DBs. Not For Long in the N-F-L. If, IF, he stays healthy, he can be very good, but sorry Monson, this "huge gap" you're talking about isn't there.
Like Steve over Sam's analysis. CJ Stroud is ready to play, A-RICH may never be ready, Brice will be better in a dome (Colts), Levis couldn't bat out Sean Clifford. How is he a top 10 pick?
It's dudes like these that said blacks can't play QB's in the NFL. In a few years three quarters of NFL QB's will be black QB's and these dudes will still be on the "Great White Hope" trip. "White Fear" is a sad thing.
agree that young is way better than stroud, but the weight sam puts on the fields comparison is strange to me. like sure the fact that fields was also a really good passing prospect coming out of the same offense is relevant, but at what point is that just an issue with fields? if stroud shows all the accuracy and all the anticipation on tape, your baseline should be that it's probably going to translate.
Just watched a 5min highlight vid of will levis & every single pass was to his first read never even glanced in the direction of another wr but you guys never talk about that
You cannot count Tom Brady, or Patrick Mahomes. The goal is to get one Super Bowl in the players entire career B. Young can get one! not sure the others Can in this draft
My comps 1 Bryce Young=(top is Mahomes ish, bottom is Doug Flutie) 2 Will Levis=(top is Roethlisberger ish, bottom is Kyle Trask) 3 Anthony Richardson=(top is Cam Newton, bottom is Taysom Hill) 4 CJ Stroud= should ranked #2 (top is Eli Manning, bottom is Derek Carr) * success will largely depend on the organization and coach that drafts for each player.
Why is duggan rated so low? He is within 1/20th of a second of richardson on the 40 time, his size is fine, He is as accurate if not more accurate than Richardson at every throwing depth, Better throwing numbers and less of a drop off when comparing pressured/clean pocket snaps than half the qbs in your top 10, (per your own stat tracking on pff), Yet y'all have him out of the top 300 prospects on your draft big board. I genuinely dont know the major knock on him that devalues him so much other than the heart thing from 3 years ago.
Remember when Justin Fields scored as well as Joe Burrow on the s2 test. Coming out of college per PFF he had the highest grade of throwing past his first read 90% (TLaw 78%, Mac Jones 75%). Yet there is a narrative out there that Fields is a 1 read QB.
Kind of crazy how much disrespect they show Stroud. Very clear that they haven't watched CJ Stroud tape nearly as much as Bryce Young. Sam pushing the same narrative of OSU QB's being a 1 read guy. Even though if you watch all 22 film Stroud goes through 3-4 progressions very often.
The only argument that I have to the Richardson Newton points you have is; Cam still had some help. Not a lot. But some.. I honestly can't name a single gator the last few years.. Anthony really don't have much help at all and the record shows. Also everyone is just bigger now.
27:57 is why I wouldn’t trade up if I’m Houston. If he falls to 2 then sure I’ll take him. If he doesn’t then take BPA. We’re likely bad again next year and will have ammo to move up if necessary.
The Bama QB love is blinding. Seems entirely unjustified, but hey, we'll know for sure when Young still hasn't carried his team or made a pro-bowl 3 years from now.
I agree, Tanner McKee to me looks like last year Carson Wentz, not draft Carson with the wheels that could get outside the pocket and burn you on the ground but Washington Carson
Ah I too enjoy quarterbacks who look feeble against their rivals despite throwing to like 5 different first round caliber receivers in their college careers
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Ok I'm confused. PFF sells its self on being able isolate an individuals play basicly eliminating the force multiplier of having a better WR or Oline. So how does same argument that levis's bad play in 2022 and had bad players on his team work against PFFs calling card on their grading system. Once again a PFF analyst head spins against their own system to make a point. Basicly saying their are exceptions to the PFF grading system??? If levis graded bad then he graded bad so you can't use that argument. Second with Young vs. Stroud. So if Stroud performed amazing against what seen as the best defence we have seen in college football in a while shouldn't that increase his grade and also on the biggest stage in college football. So your telling me it going to harder to take 2 accurate QBs one who is small the other who has problems with pocket awareness and play under pressure the other being small. So it's going to be easier to make Young size less a factor than teaching Stroud better pocket awareness and decision making under pressure. Pretty sure you can develop C.J.s short comming than teaching Young how to grow 3"'s and put on 15 pounds.
Because they're just making s--- up
@@amazingrando1283 I would not go that far. I would not watch the videos if I didn't think PFF content was not great watch and I belive their grading system to be a great tool it must be some real important ppl in pros do take it into consideration. And on a final note. I would not watch anything I didn't like. I cant understand ppl who watch but don't hit the like button. I mean do ppl actually watch things they do not enjoy just to criticize those things. I mean to each their own but to me seems a rather unsatisfying way to spend your time unless your getting paid to watch things you don't like. But like I said to each their own do what you want.
This episode right here is why people need to stop putting so much stock into these “experts” evaluations, CJ Stroud at 4… it’s okay to listen to for some scouting reports but they have no idea who will be successful and people take the word as gospel
They say Josh Allen is an outlier and it’ll been tough for AR to replicate I’d say Bryce is in the same boat except with Brees and I’d argue we’ve seen athletic qbs have a higher floor, brees is 1 of 1 much harder for me to see young repeat that compared to Richardson doing not even what allen did but he can be cam newton (who’s been to as many super bowls as cam)
Logan Bonner literally lost his job Utah St😂😂
lol I’ve heard plenty of people call Bryce QB1, but you’re the first I’ve heard say there’s some massive gap between him and stroud.
Can your guys' audio engineer put a compressor/limiter on the final mix? Mic levels and distances are wild. Constantly adjusting volume. Great content though! Thanks, guys!
Nah the stroud disrespect is crazy
You mean 3 years from now when he has yet to finish a season ....
@@freejulianassange7278 he will be finishing the season pretty strong when he’s in Carolina 🤷🏾♂️
This aged well huh@@freejulianassange7278
What do you think of the Alex Smith comp for CJ stroud... natural thrower of the football, great arm, but not excellent, plus athleticism, but not a high caliber athlete, smart and good reader of the pocket but still has room for growth. To me he is good/great in a lot of categories, but maybe not the best in a single one.
I could see that. Alex Smith could have also been better if not for bad injury luck.
Uhh…no? Smith had glaring mechanical flaws opposed to Stroud who’s as clean as it gets. You’re not remembering Alex if that’s your comp
Someone show Sam a picture of KD and Giannis they weight the same yet they look completely different due to body composition everyday he says there is absolutely no way Bryce young is that heavy
It's not just his height. Its his playing weight. Even if you just look at last year's NFL QB's that are in the realm of the small, mobile QB's like Bryce Young (Lamar Jackson, Kyler Murray, Tua T. - all of them have been injury ridden the last two seasons either via standard sacks taking a toll, or leg injuries from scrambling). There is a lot of assumed risk of not having your starting QB on the field. With playoff spots being decided by close margins for most teams any games missed are crucial. The predictable model for Lamar, Tua, and Kyler is that they won't play a full season. And none of them have won much of anything of note in the playoffs to date. Who does Bryce model after that's had a large amount of success in the league to warrant the #1 pick?
CJ Stroud would be my choice. Has a near perfect ball arc on his throws and very catchable with good strength to deliver at the NFL level. CJ looks like a technician.
Young has better anticipation than Burrow?
Stroud is a better passer than fields but field’s definitely has a better deep ball plus the athleticism. Idk I still like slightly more athletic Jared Goff for stroud
Trey Lance is 47% on ball location. Ouch! He has been a bad draft pick. Nice guy off the field, but bad at his job.
I'm sorry but for me, I wouldn't touch Bryce. The size will get him hurt, eventually. Every single time a QB has some out who's smaller, they always mention how he doesn't take big hits but all of those QBs have now been injured in the NFL! Lamar, Kyler. You will get hit and hit hard. It's a guarantee.
Joe Burrow had better anticipation then Young
Disagree. Better field reading and accuracy, yeah. What Young does off-script in creating when there’s nothing is elite and surpasses Burrow’s ability to do that out of college
You guys are beginning to border on Proffessional embarrasment.....Did you not learn anything from for manlove for Baker...
I love how every uses the bad supporting cast non stop for will Levis but just completely ignores that Richardson didn't have any good weapons either 😂😂😂
I also love how everyone uses the good supporting cast excuse for cause for concern for Stroud but not Young
@@digitalstatictv exactly how many bama qbs have started for 2 years and not won a natty
@@digitalstatictvyoung’s supporting casts weren’t nearly at stroud’s level. Especially this season
Because of what they saw in 2021. They're talking about the entire supporting cast also, not just receivers
This didn't age well.
I feel like the vast majority of this podcast was you two saying it doesn't matter that Levis and Richardson aren't accurate. They're freaky athletes so they'll be amazing QBs in the NFL!!
I love you guys, but no way Young's play weight is 185. I get he's not 204, but 20lbs? Maybe call him 195lbs.
195lbs sounds more reasonable.
Bryce: super creative, smart, quick release. But his frame (not his height) is a risk, AND you guys are overrating his arm. Watch him throw a 30 yard out, he has to put everything he has into it to beat college DBs. Not For Long in the N-F-L. If, IF, he stays healthy, he can be very good, but sorry Monson, this "huge gap" you're talking about isn't there.
Like Steve over Sam's analysis. CJ Stroud is ready to play, A-RICH may never be ready, Brice will be better in a dome (Colts), Levis couldn't bat out Sean Clifford. How is he a top 10 pick?
The jerry curl is on point today.
Kyle Trask also had Kyle Pitts, Cam Akers, and Kadarious Toney 😂
Cam Akers played for Florida State. Did you mean Damien Pierce?
@@Vince-2 Yeah Pierce my bad
Abthony played with bad players as well, his number 1 wr was like 5'7
His top 3 receivers were 6-1, 6-5, and 6-3
It's dudes like these that said blacks can't play QB's in the NFL.
In a few years three quarters of NFL QB's will be black QB's and these dudes will still be on the "Great White Hope" trip.
"White Fear" is a sad thing.
agree that young is way better than stroud, but the weight sam puts on the fields comparison is strange to me. like sure the fact that fields was also a really good passing prospect coming out of the same offense is relevant, but at what point is that just an issue with fields? if stroud shows all the accuracy and all the anticipation on tape, your baseline should be that it's probably going to translate.
Just watched a 5min highlight vid of will levis & every single pass was to his first read never even glanced in the direction of another wr but you guys never talk about that
He's 24, he's been coached at 2 major programs. His footwork is not good, he has no touch, his decisions stink, and he fumbles constantly.
bald dude is craaaaazy, stroud at 4 is crazy
this comp list the worse one I have seen out of all of them so far ! these comps are not anything like them loooool
You cannot count Tom Brady, or Patrick Mahomes. The goal is to get one Super Bowl in the players entire career B. Young can get one! not sure the others Can in this draft
Well a year later and it turns out Georgia game stroud is just who he is and he processes fine
The reality is this QB class is very weak, and it is unlikely to to produce more than a single long term starter.
When I hear Urban Meyer I get a mental picture of a guy wading through a pile of inner city garbage .
My comps
1 Bryce Young=(top is Mahomes ish, bottom is Doug Flutie)
2 Will Levis=(top is Roethlisberger ish, bottom is Kyle Trask)
3 Anthony Richardson=(top is Cam Newton, bottom is Taysom Hill)
4 CJ Stroud= should ranked #2 (top is Eli Manning, bottom is Derek Carr)
* success will largely depend on the organization and coach that drafts for each player.
I stopped reading after one comp was to Trask, a qb we haven't seen play yet.
Apparently some people just talk, so they can be heard
Stroud at 4 is football blasphemy! Lol that man is a way better thrower than Levis and Richardson
Eli Manning???? Hmmmmm
@@TheJay1979 apparently you didn't watch Trask in college, and like to make comments about QBs you haven't watched. You can stay uniformed. Moving on.
@@johnhendrix28 agreed, way better
Jalen hurts balled out in the big 12
1. Will Levis
2. CJ Stroud
3. Bryce Young
4. Hendon Hooker
5. Tanner Mckee
6. Dorian Thompson-Robinson
7. Jake Haener
8. Anthony Richardson
9. Malik Cunningham
10. Adrian Martinez
11. Clayton Tune
12. Max Duggan
13. Stetson Bennet
14. Tyson Bagent
15. Logan Bonner
16. Aidan O'Connell
17. Bo Nix
18. Chase Brice
19. Sean Clifford
20. Myles Brennan
21. Jaren Hall
Will levis shouldn’t be top 5
About to listen to this after Will Levis debu
We just gonna let Sam get away with saying he's 180? OK, cool.
I think he kept saying 185
Anthony Richardson is no Cam Newton.
Don’t think Sam knows what binary means
This aged well huh stroud is great
Why is duggan rated so low?
He is within 1/20th of a second of richardson on the 40 time, his size is fine,
He is as accurate if not more accurate than Richardson at every throwing depth,
Better throwing numbers and less of a drop off when comparing pressured/clean pocket snaps than half the qbs in your top 10, (per your own stat tracking on pff),
Yet y'all have him out of the top 300 prospects on your draft big board.
I genuinely dont know the major knock on him that devalues him so much other than the heart thing from 3 years ago.
#9 because what the hell LOL
Remember when Justin Fields scored as well as Joe Burrow on the s2 test. Coming out of college per PFF he had the highest grade of throwing past his first read 90% (TLaw 78%, Mac Jones 75%). Yet there is a narrative out there that Fields is a 1 read QB.
Kind of crazy how much disrespect they show Stroud. Very clear that they haven't watched CJ Stroud tape nearly as much as Bryce Young. Sam pushing the same narrative of OSU QB's being a 1 read guy. Even though if you watch all 22 film Stroud goes through 3-4 progressions very often.
He's not a 1-read QB. There are all kinds of dumb narratives. Like Monson's Will Levis narrative.
Fields scored a 92% burrow scored a 97% those aren’t the same thing.
Drew Brees was taller than Young who is Doug Flutie's height. Why does everyone compare Young to Brees?
The only argument that I have to the Richardson Newton points you have is; Cam still had some help. Not a lot. But some.. I honestly can't name a single gator the last few years.. Anthony really don't have much help at all and the record shows. Also everyone is just bigger now.
This guy has CJ Stroud at 4? He obviously watched no tape at all lmaoooo
Except maybe that Iowa tape.
Stroud is going a much worse offense than his Ohio state one. Let’s see how he looks not throwing to 3 pro bowl WRs.
@@DXSWaca he’s gonna look good lol watch
Violently mediocre
Update? @@dugsbunnyog3544
And Monson still DYING on the Will Levis hill. Dude, people are taking receipts.
Sam it sounds a lot like the 5/8 or Standpoff, who seems to have all the time in the world. Mark Ella as a case in point.
AR-15 has 1 season under his belt. Cam didn’t look like Cam in year one
Cam had 30 TD passes and 66% completion percentage in his jr year at Auburn.
27:57 is why I wouldn’t trade up if I’m Houston. If he falls to 2 then sure I’ll take him. If he doesn’t then take BPA. We’re likely bad again next year and will have ammo to move up if necessary.
Clowns
If you draft young also sign a competent vet backup. Bryce will get hurt.
This is one way to show how useless pff grades are
Gotta trade up to trade down, gotta trade up to trade down. Who does that other than Puff Daddy.
The Hendon Hooker disrespect is appalling.
The Bama QB love is blinding. Seems entirely unjustified, but hey, we'll know for sure when Young still hasn't carried his team or made a pro-bowl 3 years from now.
Will Levis is the next Jay Cutler
Jay Cutler>>>>Levis
Simms got me to give you all another shot after last year's crap head coach rankings.
I agree, Tanner McKee to me looks like last year Carson Wentz, not draft Carson with the wheels that could get outside the pocket and burn you on the ground but Washington Carson
Young Stroud Levis/Richardson for me
Stroud is a better QB than Young and he's gonna prove it over and over.
Ah I too enjoy quarterbacks who look feeble against their rivals despite throwing to like 5 different first round caliber receivers in their college careers
Hasn’t shown that yet and Young has never said he idolizes an animal abuser and serial sexual assaulter
I agree
CJ is going to make them feel stupid for their comments
Stroud will be like derek carr. Pretty good nothing special
Joe Burrow was in this Ohio State offense for three years. Look at how that has turned out.
Stop.
Dwayne Haskins ran Joe Burrow out of Ohio State and followed up with 50 TD passes.
Stroud = Star
Levis = Boom or bust
Young = career backup
Richardson = Bust
Levis > Stroud
At sucking, sure
How many Big plays have you all put up in college? I'll wait😮