I very often ignore advance singles, especially for favorite bands, because I want the thrill of hearing everything together in the context of the album.
Almost 2 years advance release of the song "Back on the Chain Gang" is a song written by Chrissie Hynde and originally recorded by her band the Pretenders, and released as a single by Sire Records in September 1982. The song also was released on The King of Comedy soundtrack album in March 1983 and later was included on the Pretenders' next album, Learning to Crawl, in January 1984.
Hey Pete and Martin. Pitching an idea for a show topic for you two. What you both think is a band's definitive lineup. Thin Lizzy, Yes, Rainbow, Deep Purple etc. I think it would be very interesting to see what you guys think. Hope this show keeps going as it's always very entertaining and informative. Thank you both. 🤜🤛
The Fly in September 1991 was the lead single of the ACHTUNG BABY album by U2. It was released two months in advance. The Fly was a great choice and was sounding new, fresh, raw undergroundish, psychodelic. Great song and big hit all over the world. I loved it from day one.
I agree…when I first heard the “The Fly”, I got excited about U2 again after being sort of burnt out by them in the wake of “Rattle n’ Hum”. The song signaled an exiting new direction…and the opening industrial sounding guitar riff definitely grabbed my attention.
I remember when Journey led with Who's Crying Now. That was the first Journey song I ever heard (or knew as Journey), and then watched as Escape became a massive hit with all the other singles.
I'm sure when Genesis decided to release "Invisible Touch" as the advance single, they thought, "Let's kick our oldschool die-hard fans right in the nuts" 😅
Oh, and I forgot to mention how cringy the video is. The same goes for "I Can't Dance". Don't get me wrong, I like Genesis and Phil Collins solo, but I just wish they would have cut a few songs from their discography.
RnRoll Damnation wasn't on the first pressing of Powerage in Europe (which had Cold Hearted Man and a different mix). Atlantic USA asked for a single. So AC/DC included Damnation on Powerage and rereleased it in Europe first (the 78 European version has 10 tracks). But Atlantic USA ask for a new mix. So they did and Powerage was released in America with a new mix, but no Cold Hearted Man. Eventually, the American version of Powerage became the worldwide standard one.
I love this show and this channel - Pete has built something truly impressive, and it's really inspirational to watch him hang with more or less the same co-hosts on different days/nights of the week, because the friendship and camaraderie aspect is such a huge part of the appeal of the channel. Likewise, Martin Popoff can be quite insightful about certain things. That said, sometimes Martin's opinions make it difficult for me to finish an episode. It's not just that someone would disagree with my personal taste - that happens literally ALL the time - it's that Martin often hears things in a way that clashes so much that it can be a nuisance to my own enjoyment. Y'ever take a bite of a meal that you're REALLY savoring and have someone point out an ingredient that wasn't really the thing that stood out to you and it kind of throws off the whole balance? That's what happened in this episode. Also, he presents his subjective impressions as if he thinks they're hard truth. (I doubt he actually feels that way, it just comes across that way sometimes.) Rock And Roll Damnation is "poppy"? And "most" Aerosmith fans prefer the Joe Perry version of Let The Music? Do we have hard numbers on that? On a previous episode, he said that Rush "birthed prog-metal." I mean, I get that, but it didn't land well.
Well its all just subjective opinion really and I don’t agree with everything Pete says or everything people say in the comments either. I mean, I didn’t agree with Pete about “Writing on the Wall” from Maiden at all, maybe a lot of people would- maybe he gets that perception from someone like Chris Alo. But its all just an opinion, life is boring if everyone thinks the same.
I hated when Van Halen put out tattoo tattoo as the first single from their last album. I’m glad I decided to buy the album because the rest of it was great.
I always thought Harlem Shuffle was an odd choice for lead single from the Stones Dirty Work album. A cover version at that stage of their career as a vehicle to generate interest in the new album ? Its ok but I always thought One hit to the Body was a much better song and would have been a much bigger hit than it was if it had been released first. Harlem Shuffle might been ok as a follow up. There aren't many single worthy releases on the album though.They haven't played either live for an extremely long time anyway as it happens. Also not the advance single but Nervous Shakedown by AC DC from Flick of the Switch also a strange song to release as a single. Not a tune radio would likely play .
Well the single from their 1982 live album " Still Life " was an odd choice too- "Going To a Go- Go" , a cover of an old tune originally done by The Miracles. ps, I quite like both " Harlem Shuffle "and " One Hit ( To the Body) " - two of the best songs from the album in my opinion.
I totally remember the Aerosmith video to Livin on the Edge: Joe Perry playing his solo standing on train rails, behind him a train is coming and right before it hits him he slowly and laid back makes a step to the side while still playing. Found it pretty cool back then. 😆
Hearing Martin talk about how Priest fans were concerned over Living After Midnight is fascinating. The narrative Priest have spun makes it feel like there weren't any fans around to cry sellout for when British Steel came out. Inversely, I have to call BS on the notion that Metallica fans were asking Metallica to write slower anthems. Shorter songs sure, but it felt like their fans were wanting Metallica to practically make death metal. There's way too much backlash on the Black Album for me to think that's what 80s Metallica fans wanted.
In the UK (1990), Maiden released "Bring Your Daughter to the Slaughter" (from "No Prayer for the Dying") as a single in multi format. It went straight to No.1 in the UK charts, due mainly because fans bought all five formats ... 7" black vinyl / 12" black vinyl / 7" picture vinyl / 12" picture vinyl / ... and cassette tape. There was no CD single as more than 5 formats would disqualify it from the charts. After it had dropped out of the charts, the CD single appeared but didn't re-chart due to the 5 format rule.
Hi Pete on The Wicker Man. Yes they did release a video and it was in rotation in some places. I had taken a break from Maiden during the Blaze era and here in New Zealand we weren't exactly the quickest with latest news pre widespread internet. Anyways was walking through the living room and music tv was playing and heard Bruce's voice looked at the screen and saw Adrian and Steve I just about broke my neck running to the set to turn it up and bought the album an hour later.
The Writing on the Wall i think was the right choice for Senjutsu. It’s a good live song too, it’s the one song they chose from Senjutsu to play again on The Future Past tour as well.
Its a great song and the best advance choice from that album. I commented elsewhere but do not agree with Pete’s comments on it at all; and I agree with you. I also enjoyed the video they released of it with the animation.
The Nazareth single " May the Sunshine" was a happy sing- a- long tune , and then they go and release the album " No Mean City" , perhaps their heaviest hard rocking album. The second track , it doesn't suit the rest of the album.
It's hard not to over play the advanced single, especially if its from a band you really love. It can taint the song on the ablum because you've played it a ton and it just screams out "this is the single" each time. It can effect your view of it on the album though. I get this with Iron Maiden's, Speed of light from Book of Souls. If I can stop myself doing it, I try to wait to listen to the album as a whole, only.
Here in the UK the DJ Kenny Everett played Bohemian Rhapsody 14 times across 2 days on Capital radio which is in no small part the reason why it was so successful, did it have the impact to make the fans buy the album, maybe it did.
Not an official advance single but Guns N’ Roses song “Civil War” first appeared on “Nobody’s Child: Romanian Angel Appeal” in July of 1990 (this was a charity album Olivia Harrison organized). The song is released by the band in May of 1993 as a single.
It was one of the oldest songs that ended up on the Use Your Illusion albums. Steven Adler played drums on it, rather than Matt Sorum who was on those albums.
Def Leppard leading off with "Women" for Hysteria in the USA....great song actually but it's not a good choice for a Single much less the Album's Lead Single. "Animal" was released first basically everywhere else if not mistaken.
What I hate is an advanced single being a completely different mix of the album version. Killing Joke's Pandemonium comes to mind. "Where's that crazy guitar bit?!?!"
Total agreement on this. Maybe it's different now (with all the available online resources), but back then, you'd hear a single, fall in love with it, then go out and purchase the album from which it derived. Once you arrive at the particular track you bought the album for in the first place, you discover a completely different mix, and in some cases, an entirely different version. There was no way of knowing any of this beforehand, so that feeling of disappointment (or being conned) was a very real thing.
Thanks for the chat, rant. The Wall Pink Floyd 1979 . On my way downtown to buy my first current Floyd album . FM Radio Q107 plays one track prior 'Mother' ' Where's Gilmour , sounds like Waters is singing in the tub ? But Favourite band , gotta have it . First single sucked. In retrospect obviously on the orders of Waters . After the album release 'Another brick in the Wall' got out. The whole album had one guitar solo worthy of Pink Floyd .. 'Comfortably Numb' and Waters still put his harsh vocal on it. Clearly their Egos got the best of them..the breakup was destined. To my shock single goes number one , catchy tune 'leave those kids alone'. I still have the original album , good as new , maybe ten listens. 1980 Stones hit the charts with' Emotional Rescue', then 'Start me Up' . Queen 'Another one bites the dust ',84 with Radio GaGa , what you gonna do ?
i think Downtown was a good advance single for Neil Young and Pearl Jam Mirrorball. it's a modern song that sold the idea of the young band collaborating with him. the rest of the album is amazing from the weird sea shanty Song X that opens the album (with Pearl Jam sounding like a bunch of sailors)..through to the quiet song Fallen Angel that reprises the melody of I'm the Ocean. Eddie does get a phrase in Peace and Love as the lead singer
I remember Danger as the single release from Fly in the Wall. I think I still have it, actually. Back in Business is the B side. I think it was chosen because it’s rather different sounding for them at the time. But really, the best tune on there is Shake Your Foundations. Sink the Pink is ok, but probably too suggestive for a single. To me, the whole album was a step down from the first three Brian Johnson albums. Have a minor soft spot for it, though, as that was the first tour I saw them on.
I don't remember exact chronology but do remember Let the Music Do The Talking and also Sheila as the singles. LTMDTT Aerosmith's is "vastly inferior" and JPP's "such a better version". Had no idea chasm was that deep so re-listened to both versions twice just now. JPP does have Dick Dale start so there's that.
I love that track, and the whole Down on the Upside album; not one that seems to get talked about much among Soundgarden fans, but it's my favorite from them. There was a special on a local radio station I listened to one night back in '96 featuring the band, as they were promoting the album; more than half the tracks from it were played, and this was just before it hit the shelves. Maybe that's part of the reason why I place DotU above all the others.
@@knightvisioniixv I love the album, too. Maybe it is also my favorite. First it is a great album and second you get less chris shrieks in his higher register than on previous albums. In my opinion his voice shines most when he doesn‘t sing that high.
I have a who 7 inch join together b/w a live baby don't you go it. I have an unrelated question for Martin. I got the deluxe co0y of schools out one thing that always bothered me was when you flip the desk top up the picture of the band is missing Dennis. I was going through your AC book but I could find anything so you know why?
Then you must have the initial edition of the European (UK) LP release, it indeed came without the track "Rock 'n' Roll Damnation". Besides the different tracklist this version has a different mix of the album. It had a 'harder' sound than the later version, with small variations in vocals, guitar tracks, or both, and occasionally extra sections and longer or shorter fades.
The "On The Rebound" / "That's The Way It Is" promo 12" single was the 1st thing I ever owned from Uriah Heep (which I bought when I was a kid) around the time it was released, based on hearing "That's The Way It Is" on the radio. It wasn't until somewhat recently that I realized that "On The Rebound" was technically the A side.
Great show as always. I'm one in the camp of not listening to any of the advance singles before the album. I believe the song needs to be judged in context of the album, at least if the intention is to make a great album from an artistic viewpoint. I like most of us, have been burned a few times listening to a song, then later not enjoying the album once purchased. The discussion on Metallica sparked some thought in my head regarding their most recent album. 4 advance singles are a lot. They did a decent job of choosing representative songs. My thought on these bands that release a sizable number of songs, is that maybe there are definite motivations to doing so i.e., providing something to fresh to play on a concurrent tour. The release of recent Metallica album feels like a collection of songs, not an album. In this case of Metallica, it's probably about the fans getting new music immediately (it had been 7 years) and the album was long because the intent was for you to know those songs prior to album release, skip over them if needed, and listen to the remainder which is more reasonable album length. I like the new Metallica album as a collection of songs, i.m.h.o.
One of the real downsides of a bad lead single - one that is chosen for radio and radio sucks - is that the song also gets played live and usually in the place of a much better song.
Which is worse (or better)? Van Halen finally finishing up some old unreleased songs for A Different Kind of Truth or Whitesnake very successfully converting via hair-metal spit n polish some of their released old bluesy tracks for '87?
Sometimes the single might not be great but lets you know that the Album sounds a bit different from previous ones. 'Only You Can Rock Me' from UFO's Obsessions was their first 'hit' for like 6 or 7 years and gave you an idea of how wonderful Schenker's solos would be on the rest of the album, without being an amazing song in itself.
Martin will likely remember a pretty good Canadian hard rock band from the later 70’s named Teaze. Their 2nd LP ‘On the Loose’ released an early single called ‘Sweet Misery’ which has almost a country flare. It was a bad choice by management (who really confused the fan base) after their first album had a minor hit with the heavy rocking ‘Reach Out’. I think they only ever put out 3 albums before calling it quits.
Yes, I know Teaze well, but I surely didn't remember that as an ADVANCE single. I knew it was a single. But I'll take your word for it. Yes, nearly a country tune.
Freewheel burning was released in 1983. Followed in 1984 by Defenders of the faith. When they played in Sweden very early 1984, they only played Freewheel burning from Defenders.
I particularly dislike advanced singles that completely miss represent the album. Pat Travers released the fantastically heavy Snortin' Whiskey from Crash and Burn. I bought the album and discovered the rest of the album was insipid crap.
Badmotorfinger is the best Soundgarden album and Jesus Christ Pose is a great song, but the rest of the album is great. So, how did the rest of the album disappoint you when you have said it's a great album.
Barry Williams Show from Peter Gabriels Up. I really love the album except for this song and it was the first single... Why? It's not indicative of its ballad or electronic rock found on the rest of the album and musically and lyrically it might be Peters weakest moment (From Genesis to Revelation notwithstanding)
I've watched enough of these over the years to come to the following conclusion: I think Martin does these mainly to show off his autograph collection.
First one that comes to my mind is from the Canadian band Teaze with Sweet Misery from their 1978 album On The Loose. Totally, not indicative of their hard rock sound. While an okay song and charted. I think it hurt their career, other than in Japan, where they were hugely popular.
Didn't black Sabbath release a soft ballad single first for Tyr? Not sure if it was advance or not, but either way that was a bad move. Turn off for the fans!
Excellent video as always!! I hate singles, unless they're on albums. Almost invariably, most singles fall flat and lower my expectations for the upcoming album. Then, when the album comes out, I not only like it more than I expected. The singles are usually not my favorite songs on the albums, that may be a part of it. Does this happen for anybody else?
Steve Harris from maiden is a man who many have said usually gets what he wants, he had an argument with manager Rod Smallwood over the choice of new single and of course Steve got his way and The angle and the gambler was released, I like that song, hate the radio edit, the album version needs trimming but prefer it with both solos and the last verse, I'd have to go with Rod who wanted Futureal as the 1st single, sounds more like classic maiden. They got it right with the XFactor, man on the edge was best choice for single, should of had at least one more song like man on the edge on the album.
It's a wonderful song though! Beautiful guitar and vocals from Nuno and Gary. It sits nicely on the album too. I have the Cd single and 'normal service' is resumed with 'Nice Place to Visit'!
Stranglers "la folie"..."let me introduce you to the family..1st single...no.42..decent song but not a single when there were 2 or 3 alternatives including "golden brown"..which was the second single and was a massive hit...then the title track, a slow waltz sung in french was released as the follow up when "tramp" was the outstanding candidate.. a head scratcher.
In 1978, I remember sitting in a rest area on the NJ Turnpike on my way back from Florida and hearing Miss You for the first time. The DJ introduced it as the first single from the Stones' new Some Girls album. I hated it. I was a huge fan of the Brian Jones and Mick Taylor eras but the new disco sound of the Stones was not for me. Years later, I bought the album and was pleasantly surprised by some of the other tunes.
"Can I Play With Madness" would have been a (fairly mediocre) bonus track on a certain Japanese pressing - instead it was the "Seventh Son" advance single. Crazy decision. "Seventh Son" is one of my Top 3 Maiden album, but "Madness" is and always was a total skipper.
Yes amazing out of all Maiden’s songs that is their only number one single. Bruce Dickinson wrote Bring Your Daughter... for his first solo album Tattooed Millionaire. That’s the record it was originally intended for but Steve Harris requested that Iron Maiden have it as they were short of material for No Prayer for the Dying.
What about bands that release 5+ songs before the album is out. In Flames releases 5 singles before the new album dropped! Already heard half the album pretty much. Thank god it was a good one though.
Unless it's a band I don't know or don't especially like, I nver listen to advance singles, I want to hear the whole thing. But yes, in this day and age it's very difficult not to hear some of them. Cheers.
7 mins in to video and i disagree w/martin on ac/dc. I love Rock and roll damnation and i liked Danger also. I completely understand why they released both. They still rocked hard, but had a pop song feel to it .
Pete made a comment about comparative sales between the USA and UK. The USA has a population @ 5 times the UK and that’s been the case more or less for the last few decades. A few examples of album sales bearing in mind recent health warnings about their accuracy AC/DC Back in Black 25M sales USA, 600K UK Led Zeppelin IV 24M sales USA, 1.8M UK Whitesnake 1987 8M sales USA, 300K UK Deep Purple Machine Head 2M sales USA, 100K UK Black Sabbath Heaven and Hell 1M sales USA, 100K UK Conclusion : It pains me to say it as a Limey but Yanks have a far better taste in music even when factoring in population difference 🇬🇧
I don't think so. Wildest dreams was the first single. Rainmaj3r second,but should gave been first I reckon. Benjamin breeg is the biggest questionable maiden single though I think they held different works back fir a shot at UK after Christmas number one, but it didnt make it.
Anarchy in the UK first single ftom so dar so good so what by megadeth. Should have gone with an original song, I would say 'hook in mouth' - which took a long time to ve rated to the level it should have been.
Taproot choosing calling as the advance single from Blue Sky Research. After hearing that “I’m ca-ca-ca-calling, fa-fa-fa falling” chorus I was done with the band.
Worst ever choice for an advance single by IRON MAIDEN was not mentioned - "The Angel And The Gambler' came out 1 month prior as lead single from 'Virtual XI', possibly the weakest song Steve Harris has ever written (not counting BRITISH LION), 11 minutes of boredom that Harris himself insisted on releasing first, even against the advice of his right-hand man, band manager Rod Smallwood. Any potential goodwill toward the Blaze Bayley era was squandered right there.
I very often ignore advance singles, especially for favorite bands, because I want the thrill of hearing everything together in the context of the album.
Almost 2 years advance release of the song "Back on the Chain Gang" is a song written by Chrissie Hynde and originally recorded by her band the Pretenders, and released as a single by Sire Records in September 1982. The song also was released on The King of Comedy soundtrack album in March 1983 and later was included on the Pretenders' next album, Learning to Crawl, in January 1984.
CCCOOOOKIE ! !!
Hey Pete and Martin. Pitching an idea for a show topic for you two. What you both think is a band's definitive lineup. Thin Lizzy, Yes, Rainbow, Deep Purple etc. I think it would be very interesting to see what you guys think. Hope this show keeps going as it's always very entertaining and informative. Thank you both. 🤜🤛
The Fly in September 1991 was the lead single of the ACHTUNG BABY album by U2. It was released two months in advance. The Fly was a great choice and was sounding new, fresh, raw undergroundish, psychodelic. Great song and big hit all over the world. I loved it from day one.
I agree…when I first heard the “The Fly”, I got excited about U2 again after being sort of burnt out by them in the wake of “Rattle n’ Hum”. The song signaled an exiting new direction…and the opening industrial sounding guitar riff definitely grabbed my attention.
Hated the fly as a single but funny loved it when I got the album
The most underrated album by a popular band. The three album run of Joshua tree, Rattle and hum and Achtung baby is as great as any.
Iron Maiden
"Run to the Hills" single
Released: 12 February 1982
"The Number of the Beast" album
Released: 26 April 1982
I remember when Journey led with Who's Crying Now. That was the first Journey song I ever heard (or knew as Journey), and then watched as Escape became a massive hit with all the other singles.
I'm sure when Genesis decided to release "Invisible Touch" as the advance single, they thought, "Let's kick our oldschool die-hard fans right in the nuts" 😅
I remember a radio station playing several tracks from the album before it was released .😀❤️
And my eyes are still watering 🥴
Yes 🤣🤣🤣
Oh, and I forgot to mention how cringy the video is. The same goes for "I Can't Dance". Don't get me wrong, I like Genesis and Phil Collins solo, but I just wish they would have cut a few songs from their discography.
Love that song 😂
RnRoll Damnation wasn't on the first pressing of Powerage in Europe (which had Cold Hearted Man and a different mix). Atlantic USA asked for a single. So AC/DC included Damnation on Powerage and rereleased it in Europe first (the 78 European version has 10 tracks). But Atlantic USA ask for a new mix. So they did and Powerage was released in America with a new mix, but no Cold Hearted Man. Eventually, the American version of Powerage became the worldwide standard one.
I grew up in the Chicago area & our FM rock stations used to play "Stealin" all the time when Sweet Freedom came out.
What's with the whole "We're not supposed to like Jump." thing? It's fantastic
The Paul Anka version isn't too shabby either.
I think the point is, yeah, it's a great song, but is that the kick ass VH we wanted to hear? For many of us, no, but we quickly warmed up to it.
I love this show and this channel - Pete has built something truly impressive, and it's really inspirational to watch him hang with more or less the same co-hosts on different days/nights of the week, because the friendship and camaraderie aspect is such a huge part of the appeal of the channel. Likewise, Martin Popoff can be quite insightful about certain things.
That said, sometimes Martin's opinions make it difficult for me to finish an episode. It's not just that someone would disagree with my personal taste - that happens literally ALL the time - it's that Martin often hears things in a way that clashes so much that it can be a nuisance to my own enjoyment. Y'ever take a bite of a meal that you're REALLY savoring and have someone point out an ingredient that wasn't really the thing that stood out to you and it kind of throws off the whole balance? That's what happened in this episode.
Also, he presents his subjective impressions as if he thinks they're hard truth. (I doubt he actually feels that way, it just comes across that way sometimes.) Rock And Roll Damnation is "poppy"? And "most" Aerosmith fans prefer the Joe Perry version of Let The Music? Do we have hard numbers on that? On a previous episode, he said that Rush "birthed prog-metal." I mean, I get that, but it didn't land well.
Well its all just subjective opinion really and I don’t agree with everything Pete says or everything people say in the comments either. I mean, I didn’t agree with Pete about “Writing on the Wall” from Maiden at all, maybe a lot of people would- maybe he gets that perception from someone like Chris Alo.
But its all just an opinion, life is boring if everyone thinks the same.
I hated when Van Halen put out tattoo tattoo as the first single from their last album. I’m glad I decided to buy the album because the rest of it was great.
Was my first thought for this. Terrible song, but a solid album.
I always thought Harlem Shuffle was an odd choice for lead single from the Stones Dirty Work album. A cover version at that stage of their career as a vehicle to generate interest in the new album ? Its ok but I always thought One hit to the Body was a much better song and would have been a much bigger hit than it was if it had been released first. Harlem Shuffle might been ok as a follow up. There aren't many single worthy releases on the album though.They haven't played either live for an extremely long time anyway as it happens. Also not the advance single but Nervous Shakedown by AC DC from Flick of the Switch also a strange song to release as a single. Not a tune radio would likely play .
one hit to the body is a great song.......Jimmy Page guitar solo
And the video to Harlem Shuffle was.....very 80's.
Well the single from their 1982 live album " Still Life " was an odd choice too- "Going To a Go- Go" , a cover of an old tune originally done by The Miracles.
ps, I quite like both " Harlem Shuffle "and " One Hit ( To the Body) " - two of the best songs from the album in my opinion.
Steven Wilson released the first of five pre-album singles "Personal Shopper" on12 March 2020. The Future Bites album was released on 29 January 2021.
I totally remember the Aerosmith video to Livin on the Edge: Joe Perry playing his solo standing on train rails, behind him a train is coming and right before it hits him he slowly and laid back makes a step to the side while still playing. Found it pretty cool back then. 😆
Hearing Martin talk about how Priest fans were concerned over Living After Midnight is fascinating. The narrative Priest have spun makes it feel like there weren't any fans around to cry sellout for when British Steel came out.
Inversely, I have to call BS on the notion that Metallica fans were asking Metallica to write slower anthems. Shorter songs sure, but it felt like their fans were wanting Metallica to practically make death metal. There's way too much backlash on the Black Album for me to think that's what 80s Metallica fans wanted.
The title cut of Razors Edge is a killer song too
Pete, what webcam/microphone do you use? so far the quality of the video/sound on your videos is one of the best on YT.
First thing that comes to mind is Twisted Sister-Leader of the Pack...BIG MISTAKE!
Almost a career killer.
I used to think that Judas Priest weren't a heavy band because of "Living After Midnight." Boy, was I wrong!
In the UK (1990), Maiden released "Bring Your Daughter to the Slaughter" (from "No Prayer for the Dying") as a single in multi format. It went straight to No.1 in the UK charts, due mainly because fans bought all five formats ... 7" black vinyl / 12" black vinyl / 7" picture vinyl / 12" picture vinyl / ... and cassette tape. There was no CD single as more than 5 formats would disqualify it from the charts.
After it had dropped out of the charts, the CD single appeared but didn't re-chart due to the 5 format rule.
Hi Pete on The Wicker Man. Yes they did release a video and it was in rotation in some places. I had taken a break from Maiden during the Blaze era and here in New Zealand we weren't exactly the quickest with latest news pre widespread internet. Anyways was walking through the living room and music tv was playing and heard Bruce's voice looked at the screen and saw Adrian and Steve I just about broke my neck running to the set to turn it up and bought the album an hour later.
The Writing on the Wall i think was the right choice for Senjutsu. It’s a good live song too, it’s the one song they chose from Senjutsu to play again on The Future Past tour as well.
Its a great song and the best advance choice from that album. I commented elsewhere but do not agree with Pete’s comments on it at all; and I agree with you. I also enjoyed the video they released of it with the animation.
The Nazareth single " May the Sunshine" was a happy sing- a- long tune , and then they go and release the album " No Mean City" , perhaps their heaviest hard rocking album. The second track , it doesn't suit the rest of the album.
Tattoo by VH. What an awful decision for an otherwise great album.
I came here to say this as well
It seems like that was almost a DLR solo song, and the rest sounded like an actual band effort. It was awful, rest was really solid.
@@Mr.Truxton completely agree
It's hard not to over play the advanced single, especially if its from a band you really love. It can taint the song on the ablum because you've played it a ton and it just screams out "this is the single" each time. It can effect your view of it on the album though. I get this with Iron Maiden's, Speed of light from Book of Souls.
If I can stop myself doing it, I try to wait to listen to the album as a whole, only.
Great show. Also like that there were mentions of "God Gave Rock and Roll to You" and "On the Rebound" two songs written by Russ Ballard.
Here in the UK the DJ Kenny Everett played Bohemian Rhapsody 14 times across 2 days on Capital radio which is in no small part the reason why it was so successful, did it have the impact to make the fans buy the album, maybe it did.
When I saw Black Sabbath on the Dehumanizer tour they played "I" from that album in Detroit.
Not an official advance single but Guns N’ Roses song “Civil War” first appeared on “Nobody’s Child: Romanian Angel Appeal” in July of 1990 (this was a charity album Olivia Harrison organized). The song is released by the band in May of 1993 as a single.
It was the Bside to the advance single You Could Be Mine
Great pick. The best song of that compilation album.
It was one of the oldest songs that ended up on the Use Your Illusion albums. Steven Adler played drums on it, rather than Matt Sorum who was on those albums.
Also I think “It’s so easy” from Appetite was strange.
Def Leppard leading off with "Women" for Hysteria in the USA....great song actually but it's not a good choice for a Single much less the Album's Lead Single. "Animal" was released first basically everywhere else if not mistaken.
Get a Grip rocks!
I think Rock or Bust kicks ass!!👍
What I hate is an advanced single being a completely different mix of the album version. Killing Joke's Pandemonium comes to mind.
"Where's that crazy guitar bit?!?!"
Total agreement on this. Maybe it's different now (with all the available online resources), but back then, you'd hear a single, fall in love with it, then go out and purchase the album from which it derived. Once you arrive at the particular track you bought the album for in the first place, you discover a completely different mix, and in some cases, an entirely different version. There was no way of knowing any of this beforehand, so that feeling of disappointment (or being conned) was a very real thing.
I totally agree!
Iron Maiden's The Wicker Man had those killer gang vocals in the chorus in the advance version but they took them out for the release. Drives me nuts!
Thanks for the chat, rant.
The Wall Pink Floyd 1979 .
On my way downtown to buy my first current Floyd album . FM Radio Q107 plays one track prior 'Mother' ' Where's Gilmour , sounds like Waters is singing in the tub ? But Favourite band , gotta have it . First single sucked. In retrospect obviously on the orders of Waters . After the album release 'Another brick in the Wall' got out. The whole album had one guitar solo worthy of Pink Floyd .. 'Comfortably Numb' and Waters still put his harsh vocal on it. Clearly their Egos got the best of them..the breakup was destined. To my shock single goes number one , catchy tune 'leave those kids alone'. I still have the original album , good as new , maybe ten listens.
1980 Stones hit the charts with' Emotional Rescue', then 'Start me Up' . Queen 'Another one bites the dust ',84 with Radio GaGa , what you gonna do ?
i think Downtown was a good advance single for Neil Young and Pearl Jam Mirrorball. it's a modern song that sold the idea of the young band collaborating with him. the rest of the album is amazing from the weird sea shanty Song X that opens the album (with Pearl Jam sounding like a bunch of sailors)..through to the quiet song Fallen Angel that reprises the melody of I'm the Ocean. Eddie does get a phrase in Peace and Love as the lead singer
I remember Danger as the single release from Fly in the Wall. I think I still have it, actually. Back in Business is the B side. I think it was chosen because it’s rather different sounding for them at the time. But really, the best tune on there is Shake Your Foundations. Sink the Pink is ok, but probably too suggestive for a single. To me, the whole album was a step down from the first three Brian Johnson albums. Have a minor soft spot for it, though, as that was the first tour I saw them on.
I don't remember exact chronology but do remember Let the Music Do The Talking and also Sheila as the singles. LTMDTT Aerosmith's is "vastly inferior" and JPP's "such a better version". Had no idea chasm was that deep so re-listened to both versions twice just now. JPP does have Dick Dale start so there's that.
I like Sheila
Pretty Noose by Soundgarden was a great advance single.
I love that track, and the whole Down on the Upside album; not one that seems to get talked about much among Soundgarden fans, but it's my favorite from them. There was a special on a local radio station I listened to one night back in '96 featuring the band, as they were promoting the album; more than half the tracks from it were played, and this was just before it hit the shelves. Maybe that's part of the reason why I place DotU above all the others.
@@knightvisioniixv I love the album, too. Maybe it is also my favorite. First it is a great album and second you get less chris shrieks in his higher register than on previous albums. In my opinion his voice shines most when he doesn‘t sing that high.
Soundgarden tended to have pretty cool b-sides too
I have a who 7 inch join together b/w a live baby don't you go it.
I have an unrelated question for Martin. I got the deluxe co0y of schools out one thing that always bothered me was when you flip the desk top up the picture of the band is missing Dennis. I was going through your AC book but I could find anything so you know why?
Wasn't Christine Sixteen the first single off Love Gun. Crazy decision.
Love BOC’s Box in My Head. And I love Kansas’ Power album. Even the ballad
On my original vinyl copy of Powerage, Rock and Roll Damnation isn’t even on it, which I’ve always thought odd as it’s on most issues of it.
I have a copy with the 9 songs but also includes Cold Hearted Man. Guess it depended on the market
Then you must have the initial edition of the European (UK) LP release, it indeed came without the track "Rock 'n' Roll Damnation". Besides the different tracklist this version has a different mix of the album. It had a 'harder' sound than the later version, with small variations in vocals, guitar tracks, or both, and occasionally extra sections and longer or shorter fades.
Getting the CD single for Metallica's Until it Sleeps was a dark day. Remember thinking No Sir, don't like it.
I remember Black and Blue being the advance track released for Van Halens OU812 and I wasnt impressed. Loved the rest of the album when it came out.
i liked that album better than 5150
The "On The Rebound" / "That's The Way It Is" promo 12" single was the 1st thing I ever owned from Uriah Heep (which I bought when I was a kid) around the time it was released, based on hearing "That's The Way It Is" on the radio. It wasn't until somewhat recently that I realized that "On The Rebound" was technically the A side.
“Crush’em” by Megadeth. A song that desperately wanted to be on a Jock Jams compilation.
Yep. Pretty sure Mustaine admits that’s what he wanted.
@@andrewdunn49ers Correct. He wanted to have his own hit sports anthem.
"Crush 'Em" never had the makings of a varsity jock jam
You can kind of imagine a bunch of roided up gym meatheads chanting it 🤣
They did get paid a nice check to perform it on Monday Night Nitro.
U make our fridays great
Iron Maiden
"Running Free" single
Released: 8 February 1980
“Iron Maiden” album
Released: 14 April 1980
I always thought Blue Oyster Cult's single choices were strange.
Martin I think you're right, Jesus Christ Pose's video was also in advance of the album. At least that's what I remember.
Great show as always. I'm one in the camp of not listening to any of the advance singles before the album. I believe the song needs to be judged in context of the album, at least if the intention is to make a great album from an artistic viewpoint. I like most of us, have been burned a few times listening to a song, then later not enjoying the album once purchased.
The discussion on Metallica sparked some thought in my head regarding their most recent album. 4 advance singles are a lot. They did a decent job of choosing representative songs. My thought on these bands that release a sizable number of songs, is that maybe there are definite motivations to doing so i.e., providing something to fresh to play on a concurrent tour. The release of recent Metallica album feels like a collection of songs, not an album. In this case of Metallica, it's probably about the fans getting new music immediately (it had been 7 years) and the album was long because the intent was for you to know those songs prior to album release, skip over them if needed, and listen to the remainder which is more reasonable album length. I like the new Metallica album as a collection of songs, i.m.h.o.
One of the real downsides of a bad lead single - one that is chosen for radio and radio sucks - is that the song also gets played live and usually in the place of a much better song.
Which is worse (or better)? Van Halen finally finishing up some old unreleased songs for A Different Kind of Truth or Whitesnake very successfully converting via hair-metal spit n polish some of their released old bluesy tracks for '87?
Sometimes the single might not be great but lets you know that the Album sounds a bit different from previous ones. 'Only You Can Rock Me' from UFO's Obsessions was their first 'hit' for like 6 or 7 years and gave you an idea of how wonderful Schenker's solos would be on the rest of the album, without being an amazing song in itself.
We've always had a platinum certification in the UK for 300,000 sales, so I'm not sure why Martin said there isn't.
Martin will likely remember a pretty good Canadian hard rock band from the later 70’s named Teaze. Their 2nd LP ‘On the Loose’ released an early single called ‘Sweet Misery’ which has almost a country flare. It was a bad choice by management (who really confused the fan base) after their first album had a minor hit with the heavy rocking ‘Reach Out’. I think they only ever put out 3 albums before calling it quits.
Yes, I know Teaze well, but I surely didn't remember that as an ADVANCE single. I knew it was a single. But I'll take your word for it. Yes, nearly a country tune.
Freewheel burning was released in 1983. Followed in 1984 by Defenders of the faith. When they played in Sweden very early 1984, they only played Freewheel burning from Defenders.
Yes, they played it at the December '83 RockPop in Concert TV show.
I particularly dislike advanced singles that completely miss represent the album. Pat Travers released the fantastically heavy Snortin' Whiskey from Crash and Burn. I bought the album and discovered the rest of the album was insipid crap.
Badmotorfinger is the best Soundgarden album and Jesus Christ Pose is a great song, but the rest of the album is great. So, how did the rest of the album disappoint you when you have said it's a great album.
Er, just a little then?
Phenomenal episode. Martin/ PETE. Thank you 👍💯
Nights in White SATIN/. Moody Blues / originally released in 6️⃣7️⃣, didn’t go far, reissued 5 years later in 7️⃣2️⃣ soared to no 2. Go figure.👍💯
. “ sorry/ meant. Re- released **
Barry Williams Show from Peter Gabriels Up. I really love the album except for this song and it was the first single... Why? It's not indicative of its ballad or electronic rock found on the rest of the album and musically and lyrically it might be Peters weakest moment (From Genesis to Revelation notwithstanding)
What is the deal with the new Peter Gabriel album coming out? I think there are 4 songs out. Also, I think different versions of the same song.
I forget now the exact story, but something about songs coming out only on full moons.
Extreme knocked it our of the park with the advance single ‘Rise’.
I've watched enough of these over the years to come to the following conclusion: I think Martin does these mainly to show off his autograph collection.
Red Lorry Yellow Lorry's Talk About the Weather is the unofficial theme song of Friday Morning at the Funhouse!!
Hard as a rock kicks ass. Come on man.
First one that comes to my mind is from the Canadian band Teaze with Sweet Misery from their 1978 album On The Loose. Totally, not indicative of their hard rock sound. While an okay song and charted. I think it hurt their career, other than in Japan, where they were hugely popular.
Didn't black Sabbath release a soft ballad single first for Tyr? Not sure if it was advance or not, but either way that was a bad move. Turn off for the fans!
The label did release No Stranger to Love as the first single from the Seventh Star album...bad move, and completely backfired on them.
Pete, where did you get that Miles t-shirt!? Need one of those!
Excellent video as always!! I hate singles, unless they're on albums. Almost invariably, most singles fall flat and lower my expectations for the upcoming album. Then, when the album comes out, I not only like it more than I expected. The singles are usually not my favorite songs on the albums, that may be a part of it. Does this happen for anybody else?
Stratego is the second shortest song on Senjutsu. ("Their classic throwback song") 4:59 long
Great show guys as always ❤
Steve Harris from maiden is a man who many have said usually gets what he wants, he had an argument with manager Rod Smallwood over the choice of new single and of course Steve got his way and The angle and the gambler was released, I like that song, hate the radio edit, the album version needs trimming but prefer it with both solos and the last verse, I'd have to go with Rod who wanted Futureal as the 1st single, sounds more like classic maiden.
They got it right with the XFactor, man on the edge was best choice for single, should of had at least one more song like man on the edge on the album.
Yes good points for Maiden examples.
From Zero choosing Sorry as the advance single from My So Called Life. Still baffles me what they were thinking with this.
Can I play with Madness put me off the 7th Son album for over a decade...
Extreme- More Than Words. Definitely not representative of the music of the band and of that album.
Not an advance single. In fact, it was the third single released seven months after the album was released.
Okay, thanks for correction. I wasn’t 100% certain but it was the first one I had heard from that album.
It's a wonderful song though! Beautiful guitar and vocals from Nuno and Gary. It sits nicely on the album too. I have the Cd single and 'normal service' is resumed with 'Nice Place to Visit'!
The Leonard Cohen album is great. Surprised Martin doesn‘t like him.
Stranglers "la folie"..."let me introduce you to the family..1st single...no.42..decent song but not a single when there were 2 or 3 alternatives including "golden brown"..which was the second single and was a massive hit...then the title track, a slow waltz sung in french was released as the follow up when "tramp" was the outstanding candidate.. a head scratcher.
I love Yellow submarine.
We'll be back is the only song that Megadeth played on the Canadian tour.
In 1978, I remember sitting in a rest area on the NJ Turnpike on my way back from Florida and hearing Miss You for the first time. The DJ introduced it as the first single from the Stones' new Some Girls album. I hated it. I was a huge fan of the Brian Jones and Mick Taylor eras but the new disco sound of the Stones was not for me. Years later, I bought the album and was pleasantly surprised by some of the other tunes.
"Can I Play With Madness" would have been a (fairly mediocre) bonus track on a certain Japanese pressing - instead it was the "Seventh Son" advance single. Crazy decision. "Seventh Son" is one of my Top 3 Maiden album, but "Madness" is and always was a total skipper.
Despite this, was a massive hit on the UK singles charts though.
@@mjp8648 Same goes for the horrid "Crazy Crazy Nights" - what was wrong with them Brits in the late 80's?
@@theartofhavoc5467 Not just those two examples, unbelievably IM's "Bring your daughter to the slaughter" got to number 1!
"Daughter/Slaughter" is the musical equivalent to lukewarm Lager and a spoonful of Vegemite. ☝️
Yes amazing out of all Maiden’s songs that is their only number one single.
Bruce Dickinson wrote Bring Your Daughter... for his first solo album Tattooed Millionaire. That’s the record it was originally intended for but Steve Harris requested that Iron Maiden have it as they were short of material for No Prayer for the Dying.
these 2 so good
What about bands that release 5+ songs before the album is out. In Flames releases 5 singles before the new album dropped! Already heard half the album pretty much. Thank god it was a good one though.
Unless it's a band I don't know or don't especially like, I nver listen to advance singles, I want to hear the whole thing. But yes, in this day and age it's very difficult not to hear some of them.
Cheers.
I remember stiff upper lip debuting on mtv, on TRL in between bumble gum poop craze.
That's so weird. Are you sure it wasn't VH1 or VH1 Classic?
@@atmaweapon2803 well i first saw it on TRL, I remember thinking, finally some real music, the next Video was *NSYNC,
7 mins in to video and i disagree w/martin on ac/dc. I love Rock and roll damnation and i liked Danger also. I completely understand why they released both. They still rocked hard, but had a pop song feel to it .
I remember as a teenager waiting for the release of Virtual IX and getting the angel and the gambler single... 🤢
Worst Maiden song ever. Why was that the single? So bad. Rest of the album was better.
Pete made a comment about comparative sales between the USA and UK. The USA has a population @ 5 times the UK and that’s been the case more or less for the last few decades.
A few examples of album sales bearing in mind recent health warnings about their accuracy AC/DC Back in Black 25M sales USA, 600K UK
Led Zeppelin IV 24M sales USA, 1.8M UK
Whitesnake 1987 8M sales USA, 300K UK
Deep Purple Machine Head 2M sales USA, 100K UK
Black Sabbath Heaven and Hell 1M sales USA, 100K UK
Conclusion : It pains me to say it as a Limey but Yanks have a far better taste in music even when factoring in population difference 🇬🇧
You where 100% correct about the sales in relation to population and you should have left it there.
Also, didn't they have "Rainmaker" out before "Dance of Death"? I remember seeing the video on TV, but I'm not sure wether it was before the Album.
I don't think so. Wildest dreams was the first single. Rainmaj3r second,but should gave been first I reckon.
Benjamin breeg is the biggest questionable maiden single though I think they held different works back fir a shot at UK after Christmas number one, but it didnt make it.
@@ronaldeccles5147 Oh, you're right, it was "Wildest Dreams". Still think it came before the Album, though.
Anarchy in the UK first single ftom so dar so good so what by megadeth. Should have gone with an original song, I would say 'hook in mouth' - which took a long time to ve rated to the level it should have been.
Black Crowes Lickin' sounded like they were covering Buckcherry. Made me hesitant to buy Lions( 5/8/01)
Tumbeling Dice from Exile On Main St. always seemed inappropiate to me.
I also think lead single being the first track on the album is a bad sign for the album !
🌠Good Show Guys !!!
Taproot choosing calling as the advance single from Blue Sky Research. After hearing that “I’m ca-ca-ca-calling, fa-fa-fa falling” chorus I was done with the band.
Worst ever choice for an advance single by IRON MAIDEN was not mentioned - "The Angel And The Gambler' came out 1 month prior as lead single from 'Virtual XI', possibly the weakest song Steve Harris has ever written (not counting BRITISH LION), 11 minutes of boredom that Harris himself insisted on releasing first, even against the advice of his right-hand man, band manager Rod Smallwood. Any potential goodwill toward the Blaze Bayley era was squandered right there.
"The Wicker Man" had a video.
'Specifically'!!!