Thank you for pointing out the obvious weaknesses of the spec! Another prime example on why one should not blindly follow the meta without the actual context of the highest lvl of keys. That being said: I still think Fire is more fun than Frost :)
Why is this guide so much more useful than all the others I watched? Thanks a lot. Short and to the point. Recently switched from Frost to Fire, struggling a bit in hectic m+ situations when I’m out of PFlame and FBlast charges. Do I just Fireball and hope for crits until I can go back to insta Pyros?
hey thanks! ideally you space out your fireblasts to maintain Feel the Burn. if your getting low like down to 1. you should begin scorch weaving to double pyro. so if your in combust you'll have a heating up. scorch, fireblast, pyro pyro. repeat til you get to 2 fire blasts or phoenix flames and full send. always use shifting power when combust is on CD. try to use everything to get to your skb before using shifting power. hope this helps!
great video. spent an hour writing and studying. i understood more now. thanks so much. only problem is , i dont know what the import string is used for or what weak aura interface you use. i want to use so i can learn your style. i think you are right on the money
my weak aura interface is slightly scuffed haha. but the import string is for talents. for weak auras i use alot. the main thing you see on screen is doc mage from wago.io. im very bad at customizing my uis. i just tweek it if something doesnt work for me. wago.io/lYnGDh4IM
As much as I hate flamestrike build, it’s what works in keys like +10 and below. A little more pug friendly. Personally I’ll suffer through with ignite build and do fuck all dmg lol
im definitely a fire enjoyer but it can be demoralizing if you expect to be a bumper since you're playing a "meta spec". Arcane and frost both out perform fire until a certain point. im glad you liked it thanks!
It's good to put Meteor in the build or not worth the cooldown time to use it? And another question is, why are you not using Shimmering instead of Ice Floes??
you can use it. but alot of people dont because its kind of wierd to use and alot of times you dont get max value out of it because mobs get moved out of the flame patch, doesnt hit all the mobs etc. id recommend not using it but its def viable
i will be posting when TWW launches. unfortunately it will be Havoc DH guides. I moved myself off the mage role of my guild. i would think its similar but not sure
What about when you end up with an instant pyro but you have to cast pyro for your SKB combust, do you just fire off the pyro without chaining another spell with it. Like you know what I mean you’re always casting a fireball or scorch into pyro basically so in this situation do you just send the pyro so you can get your casted pyro off. Also charring embers does it matter when you get the two free Phoenix flames procs and 200% damage increase like should you save those for any situation or doesn’t really matter because they’re 100% crit chance anyway with the talent choice. Obviously you don’t want to over cap on the charges of charred embers
Also does it matter much if you use you’re big combustion after a SKB but not overlapping them because some situations you have a SKB proc ready to go and have like 4 seconds left on combustion, should you wait for combustion to come up and then send combustion and SKB together so you get a full 18 seconds of combustion at once or does it not matter too much to just send the SKB use that first and then send the 12 second combustion, pugging definitely makes juggling the timers a little trickier. I know I’m asking a lot but do you use a lust macro with combustion at all or how do you normally get the double lust off with also trying to cast a quick fireball into double pyro sometimes that gets a bit hectic lol
yes you have to just send the instant pyro. you should avoid this as much as possible because this is known as "munching" you should track when your on 6th skb stack and then be aware not to generate a hot streak on your 8th stack so you can immediately go into SKB pyro. for phoenix flames basically just dont over cap. prioritize fire blasts in skb and combust but otherwise you can just send them to get back into SKB faster
@@jayryan1956 ideally you hardcast your skb and press combust right before your cast finishes this will stack the SKB on top of your combust. whenever your in combust you ALWAYS send your SKB otherwise your wasting stacks
honestly it just feels like a pre requisite as a fire mage XD. there is a reason though. when your double lusted because of travel times sometimes you can get stuck hardcasting a pyro when you shouldnt be. so by moving you cant start a hardcast
The best guide so far . Why fire cant do dmg bellow 15 ? What is the main reason why the are really good 18/19 ? I dont rly understand that. Cuz of long combats and high combust uptime ?
fire doesnt thrive until trash a dungeon live long enough. so A. you need a beefy target to live long enough for you to build a big ignite bank on and B. you need the rest of the trash around it to live long enough for your big ignite to spread to fully tick which is a 9 second cycle. They need time to ramp essentially. I really struggled in some niche scenarios in 16s. the brackenhide final boss. I dont have enough time to ramp my damage on totems. same thing in uldum 2nd boss.
@@NikaQarsidze ignite does damage based off basically all your spells. a percentage based off your mastery of the damage dealt is converted into ignite damage which ticks for 9 seconds. fire blast spreads this ignite to other targets. if you swap targets you have to rebuild your ignite bank. hope this helps
fire mage absolutely has a place below 15. you just have no chance at topping meters in a key. but your prio/boss damage is unmatched. alot of people get put off this spec because they see there numbers and arent at the top
for low keys if you want to do more damage overall you can run flamestrike but honestly if your playing fire its to do high prio damage so id stick with ignite build or play frost until you get gear/higher keys
@@AlexTheFou i would consider anything above a +13 to be relatively high. ilvl is not the deciding factor. its more so who you're playing with. if stuff dies to quick ignite doesnt have enough time to ramp.
😂😂😂 +1 to +15? After dungeon squish right? Why even bother with fire than man? At least 95% of the mythic + crowd won't ever go beyond +15 and in earlier keys frost is leagues above fire... They really need to align the spec performances as fire isn't and wont be played by most m+ folks, which is kinda sad because it really limits the choices of specs
sadly yes. it starts to do better 10+ but it doesnt really excel until higher. and even then. it struggles in niche scenarios. Like totem bosses. the target swapping tanks DPS
last boss you cant do damage to boss. just help kick, dragon breath, blast wave, do as much damage as you can. try and have SKB for the adds and wait til they're grouped
with that being said i have a video coming out later today explaining the weaknesses of fire mage. once you get into like 15s you really struggle with totems. you have to save SKB for it and even then sometimes its not enough
@@yohanvist yeah exactly. thats why we're starting to see more and more people take frost over fire. fire will beat frost overall. but theres some bosses that just suck as fire
lust gives you 30% haste bonus. time warp is the ability we have. its raid wide ability that increases everyone haste. as fire mage specifically we double lust when we can. increasing our haste by 60%
The way the little cat shows what buttons you're pressing AND how your mouse is moving is really impressive.
This is instantly my favorite video on youtube. I love your cadence
You’re a gamer dude
thank you buddy
ty mate,good guide!my friend pump fire and thinks he is dog compare to other classes,now i will send this guide for him so he can be happy
happy to help
this guide came out right in time im about to try my mage thanks!
Thank you for pointing out the obvious weaknesses of the spec! Another prime example on why one should not blindly follow the meta without the actual context of the highest lvl of keys. That being said: I still think Fire is more fun than Frost :)
fire does hit ya with alot of dopamine when your sending out a bunch of pyroblasts haha
>Beside shadow priest. Shadow priest is better at everything.
*sigh* "How to play shadow priest Dragonflight season 4"
incoming ;)
very good guide. thank you for sharing. just wished you didn't talk like a vending machine so it'd be easier to follow.
your're right i hate how i talked on this looking back. my other videos i didnt. but yeah *shrug*
@@AloneinDiscord all good. tons of useful info in this
I read this as the video was starting and it's all I can picture
@@psychikc XD vending machine RP OP
@@AloneinDiscordcan you make a vid on how to play the flame strike build for low keys?
Why is this guide so much more useful than all the others I watched? Thanks a lot. Short and to the point. Recently switched from Frost to Fire, struggling a bit in hectic m+ situations when I’m out of PFlame and FBlast charges. Do I just Fireball and hope for crits until I can go back to insta Pyros?
hey thanks! ideally you space out your fireblasts to maintain Feel the Burn. if your getting low like down to 1. you should begin scorch weaving to double pyro. so if your in combust you'll have a heating up. scorch, fireblast, pyro pyro. repeat til you get to 2 fire blasts or phoenix flames and full send. always use shifting power when combust is on CD. try to use everything to get to your skb before using shifting power. hope this helps!
Thanks for this awesome vid. I’ve watched it a lot, are you recommending flame accelerant fire ball?
@@H3NRY_B you use that in raid but not in m+ in the description i have the m+ talents
share that combust timer boy plz
think this is what you want wago.io/QlUidib4r/1
great video. spent an hour writing and studying. i understood more now. thanks so much. only problem is , i dont know what the import string is used for or what weak aura interface you use. i want to use so i can learn your style. i think you are right on the money
my weak aura interface is slightly scuffed haha. but the import string is for talents. for weak auras i use alot. the main thing you see on screen is doc mage from wago.io. im very bad at customizing my uis. i just tweek it if something doesnt work for me. wago.io/lYnGDh4IM
As much as I hate flamestrike build, it’s what works in keys like +10 and below. A little more pug friendly. Personally I’ll suffer through with ignite build and do fuck all dmg lol
samesies
Fantastic video! Would love to see a link to a screenshot of your WAs, if you wouldn't mind. Thank you dude!
Thanks for the video! Helped me a lot to improve as a fire mage. What is the "badumm tss" audio sound you get when SKB is ready? I want that hehe.
thats from doctoria Fire mage weak aura
great guide nice introduction, fire is not top damage meters and not really enjoyable under high keys and big packs. great explanation
im definitely a fire enjoyer but it can be demoralizing if you expect to be a bumper since you're playing a "meta spec". Arcane and frost both out perform fire until a certain point. im glad you liked it thanks!
Good intro, I’m looking what spec to play and u suggest what to expect from the spec than you.
hey im glad you liked the video im kept it pretty simple and didnt want to over explain thanks =)
It's good to put Meteor in the build or not worth the cooldown time to use it? And another question is, why are you not using Shimmering instead of Ice Floes??
you can use it. but alot of people dont because its kind of wierd to use and alot of times you dont get max value out of it because mobs get moved out of the flame patch, doesnt hit all the mobs etc. id recommend not using it but its def viable
@@AloneinDiscord Ty for your reply friend
can you share charring embers weak aura
wago.io/DoctorioMageFire/21 the charring embers comes from this pack that i use
hey, is this still pretty the same ? like rotation and all (i know the talents changed but maybe the rota stayed)
i will be posting when TWW launches. unfortunately it will be Havoc DH guides. I moved myself off the mage role of my guild. i would think its similar but not sure
What about when you end up with an instant pyro but you have to cast pyro for your SKB combust, do you just fire off the pyro without chaining another spell with it. Like you know what I mean you’re always casting a fireball or scorch into pyro basically so in this situation do you just send the pyro so you can get your casted pyro off. Also charring embers does it matter when you get the two free Phoenix flames procs and 200% damage increase like should you save those for any situation or doesn’t really matter because they’re 100% crit chance anyway with the talent choice. Obviously you don’t want to over cap on the charges of charred embers
Also does it matter much if you use you’re big combustion after a SKB but not overlapping them because some situations you have a SKB proc ready to go and have like 4 seconds left on combustion, should you wait for combustion to come up and then send combustion and SKB together so you get a full 18 seconds of combustion at once or does it not matter too much to just send the SKB use that first and then send the 12 second combustion, pugging definitely makes juggling the timers a little trickier. I know I’m asking a lot but do you use a lust macro with combustion at all or how do you normally get the double lust off with also trying to cast a quick fireball into double pyro sometimes that gets a bit hectic lol
yes you have to just send the instant pyro. you should avoid this as much as possible because this is known as "munching" you should track when your on 6th skb stack and then be aware not to generate a hot streak on your 8th stack so you can immediately go into SKB pyro. for phoenix flames basically just dont over cap. prioritize fire blasts in skb and combust but otherwise you can just send them to get back into SKB faster
@@jayryan1956 ideally you hardcast your skb and press combust right before your cast finishes this will stack the SKB on top of your combust. whenever your in combust you ALWAYS send your SKB otherwise your wasting stacks
is strafing part of the rotation?
honestly it just feels like a pre requisite as a fire mage XD. there is a reason though. when your double lusted because of travel times sometimes you can get stuck hardcasting a pyro when you shouldnt be. so by moving you cant start a hardcast
@@AloneinDiscord this is a wonderful explanation. I do bounce around but I havent really thought about it lol
so when do you scorch?
you scorch during skb and combust when you dont have fireblast or phoenix flames. you also scorch enemies that are below 30% for gtd crit
Quick question. Should I play flame strike build on 10s and only swap to ignite on 15+?
15+ is a little drastic. iginite starts to get better and better the higher up you go. personally id play at 10 on fort maybe 12 on tyrannical
Thoughts about meteor and whats your thiughts about flamestrike build for «lower keys»
flamestrikes ok for lower keys. imo mine as well play frost for lower keys if your going to go flamestrike
The best guide so far . Why fire cant do dmg bellow 15 ? What is the main reason why the are really good 18/19 ? I dont rly understand that. Cuz of long combats and high combust uptime ?
fire doesnt thrive until trash a dungeon live long enough. so A. you need a beefy target to live long enough for you to build a big ignite bank on and B. you need the rest of the trash around it to live long enough for your big ignite to spread to fully tick which is a 9 second cycle. They need time to ramp essentially. I really struggled in some niche scenarios in 16s. the brackenhide final boss. I dont have enough time to ramp my damage on totems. same thing in uldum 2nd boss.
@@AloneinDiscord can u explain shortly what is ignite bank ? how it works and how it does dmg ? thanks in advance,
@@NikaQarsidze ignite does damage based off basically all your spells. a percentage based off your mastery of the damage dealt is converted into ignite damage which ticks for 9 seconds. fire blast spreads this ignite to other targets. if you swap targets you have to rebuild your ignite bank. hope this helps
Thanks a lot. ❤️
the discord link is expired, my brother
BTW, discord link is not valid
you must be a robot
yeeeah. i hate how i talked on this video. i apologize for that.
So no point in playing fire mage in keys bellow 15 or what ? I mean 15 it’s pretty high, it’s like 25 from last season, only for hard pushers
fire mage absolutely has a place below 15. you just have no chance at topping meters in a key. but your prio/boss damage is unmatched. alot of people get put off this spec because they see there numbers and arent at the top
For low keys do u recommend flamestrike/meteor build or to just stick with this?
for low keys if you want to do more damage overall you can run flamestrike but honestly if your playing fire its to do high prio damage so id stick with ignite build or play frost until you get gear/higher keys
@@AloneinDiscord What is considered to be high key atm? +10 and above? Also, what item level do you need to be to play ignite build?
@@AlexTheFou i would consider anything above a +13 to be relatively high. ilvl is not the deciding factor. its more so who you're playing with. if stuff dies to quick ignite doesnt have enough time to ramp.
so you pyro spam single target for aoe?
your ignite bank builds up on a target and spreads as you pyro. you target the beefiest target and do your single target rotation yes
@@AloneinDiscord oh man, i have been struggling a lot with fire, never understood until this vids lol ty
for what to swap meteor in lawer keys?
you can drop inflame or master of flame for it.
😂😂😂
+1 to +15? After dungeon squish right? Why even bother with fire than man? At least 95% of the mythic + crowd won't ever go beyond +15 and in earlier keys frost is leagues above fire... They really need to align the spec performances as fire isn't and wont be played by most m+ folks, which is kinda sad because it really limits the choices of specs
sadly yes. it starts to do better 10+ but it doesnt really excel until higher. and even then. it struggles in niche scenarios. Like totem bosses. the target swapping tanks DPS
How you play last boss of nokhud ? you never swap on the totems and you're praying about your ignites is suffisant ?
last boss you cant do damage to boss. just help kick, dragon breath, blast wave, do as much damage as you can. try and have SKB for the adds and wait til they're grouped
with that being said i have a video coming out later today explaining the weaknesses of fire mage. once you get into like 15s you really struggle with totems. you have to save SKB for it and even then sometimes its not enough
Oh my bad i was thinking about braken hide last boss 😅
I see a lot of fire after 3th boss leave the key wait for checkpoint and come back in the key as frost mage 🥲
@@yohanvist yeah exactly. thats why we're starting to see more and more people take frost over fire. fire will beat frost overall. but theres some bosses that just suck as fire
What is "lusted" means?
lust gives you 30% haste bonus. time warp is the ability we have. its raid wide ability that increases everyone haste. as fire mage specifically we double lust when we can. increasing our haste by 60%
@@AloneinDiscord thanks for the replies!
discord invite expired
fixed it