Solar Lithium Batteries ARE CHEAPER than Lead Acid! Proof Included

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  • Опубликовано: 23 июн 2019
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  • @WillProwse
    @WillProwse  5 лет назад +30

    Reference List for Battery Study Articles and Data Sheets:
    Vmax cycle life: www.vmaxtanks.com/assets/images/technical%20info%20folder/Cycles%20VS%20Depth%20of%20Discharge.pdf
    UB121000 Data Sheet: manualzz.com/doc/8611385/ub121000_datasheet
    Simpliphi 10,000 charge cycle life: simpliphipower.com/documentation/phi-2-7/simpliphi-power-phi-2-7-warranty-phi-3-5-warranty.pdf
    $470 100ah lifepo4 cells: www.aliexpress.com/item/32881836960.html?spm=2114.search0604.3.43.1f3818dcja20fd
    Low temp performance: batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/discharging_at_high_and_low_temperatures
    Low temp for lithium and lead acid compared: batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_at_high_and_low_temperatures
    Battle born data: www.altestore.com/store/deep-cycle-batteries/lithium-batteries/battle-born-lithium-iron-phosphate-lifepo4-batteries-p40844/
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    • @bernardthedisappointedowl6938
      @bernardthedisappointedowl6938 5 лет назад

      Once you go Lithium, you never go Quadrivium? - Though to be fair, you would need a time machine to actually go Quadrivium, it being a medieval university of mathematical 'arts', ^oo^

    • @woggs1
      @woggs1 5 лет назад

      I can't read all that, but I am sure it is a great cure for insomnia. I would rather watch RUclips videos.

    • @charliebrownau
      @charliebrownau 5 лет назад

      Every considered most people dont want to
      order the lifepos
      build a case
      join it together
      or they can goto ebay in AU+UK+USA+CA+NZ
      and order an 200 dollar battery ready to go

    • @raymondcastro8066
      @raymondcastro8066 5 лет назад

      Slow down ,!!!!😉

    • @BikeHelmetMk2
      @BikeHelmetMk2 5 лет назад +1

      @@woggs1 I used to read about 400 pages of info per day due to work, and some personal goals to learn a few new skills. For a few weeks (almost a month) I Ctrl+P'd everything I read on the internet to see just how much I was reading through. Worked out to around 63000 printed pages per month. (Admittedly with a lot of border crap that websites come with.)
      Sometimes you've just gotta read to find things out. I have solved more than a few arcane and obscure computer glitches by reading through 20 page forum threads. I also helped my parents find some excellent mutual funds by reading through dozens of fund prospectuses.
      You need to read lots until reading lots doesn't bug you. If you start to find it relaxing, then suddenly the world's answers are at your fingertips.

  • @avlisk
    @avlisk 5 лет назад +70

    I bought the LiFePo4 Battle Born because I didn't want to have to think about batteries or battery maintenance for the next 10 years. Set it and forget it!

    • @avlisk
      @avlisk 4 года назад +5

      @@renindy Only needed one because all I run are a Dometic fridge, a Fantastic fan, a second fan, a few lights, and several USB charging ports for my electronics. With a 100w panel on the van, it's been very satisfactory.

    • @denisstanley6546
      @denisstanley6546 3 года назад +1

      Up front costs for bateries that in most boats sit idle 90 percent of time is expensive. A single solar panel or trickle charger is cheaper. 2 to 3 years from a 12 volt house and a 12 volt cranking lead acid battery is about ok. Treated well they may last a little longer. Lithium give great specs for number of charge times. Do they actually last that long. I have not seen the warranty thay give but i suspect its pro rata years. So if it 10yr warranty and dies after 5 years you may get 40 percent reduction on new batteries if that company is syill around. Importies are liable for warranties so if it comes from overseas you have to chase local importer. Is he still in business.

  • @markrobertson5200
    @markrobertson5200 5 лет назад +12

    Your enthusiasm is infectious Will. Keep cranking the content out

  • @Buttercup624
    @Buttercup624 3 года назад +1

    Hi Will ... I love your videos (I get sooo much out of them) and I love love love your book!!! I think listening to your videos really saturated my brain with the solar tech language so now when I'm reading your book it really makes sense!! A real confidence builder!! Thank you so much for all of the work you put in to all of these videos ... you are a great teacher!! I'm still working on my magic recipe to cover all of my bases for an off grid van build and I'm sure it's a combination of your enthusiasm plus the confidence I've gained, but it has been quite a little while since I've been this psyched about something/anything that was barely even on my radar a short while ago. Please keep'em coming!! 🌝

  • @6thinningsports223
    @6thinningsports223 5 лет назад +1

    Another well done presentation Will! Your enthusiasm is infectious! What is even better, is that if you DIY a battery set up, you not only can bring the price for LFP down below lead acid, but you learn the in's and out's of your batteries to better manage them! You are certainly and inspiration, now.... back to my battery building! :)

  • @Kosmonooit
    @Kosmonooit 5 лет назад +34

    its the upfront costs that put people off Lithium

    • @AndreasEUR
      @AndreasEUR 3 года назад +4

      And the fact that it's not always cheaper.

    • @GeorgeOu
      @GeorgeOu 3 года назад

      You can buy half the capacity in Lithium Ion and have the same effective usable capacity. That alone eliminates the price difference.

    • @larryjanson4011
      @larryjanson4011 3 года назад

      not so much “put off”. more like “locked out”.
      i now run 4 6V in my rv. very heavy. i wish i could afford 4 battle born. might try building my own.

    • @GeorgeOu
      @GeorgeOu 3 года назад

      @@larryjanson4011 Just go with DIY Solar's recommended cheap lithium cells or cheap fully built systems. They're a fraction of the cost of battle born.

  • @deenibeeniable
    @deenibeeniable 4 года назад +9

    "...in my dad's shop when I was younger."
    Ahhh. Now I get it.

  • @Sharpe084
    @Sharpe084 4 года назад

    I have been looking at alll these battery videos to find a reliable battery for my cpap machine. Your videos are by far the best with way more details than I need but I love to know. Keep it up!!!

  • @aladdinelafifi4597
    @aladdinelafifi4597 5 лет назад

    Thanks for your feed back!

  • @Michael-zp9kl
    @Michael-zp9kl 3 года назад +4

    I've never heard someone talk about batteries so enthusiastically. Great channel!

  • @mrhupen
    @mrhupen 5 лет назад +2

    Great video man! I learn really well from the way you explain things.

  • @Back2SquareOne
    @Back2SquareOne 5 лет назад +14

    Thanks for this video. I just want to point out that even if Lithium were more expensive, ( which it is not), I would still choose it. I don't go RVing so I can spend my time daily monitoring and nursing my batteries so I can avoid damaging them. I don't need another hobby. I want to think about my power system as little as possible. I don't want a system that is so fragile that if I don't constantly keep it topped off, it starts to permanently degrade. Lithium's advantages in this respect make it FAR more desirable to me. Who needs the time sink, unreliability, and headaches of dealing with lead acid?

    • @WillProwse
      @WillProwse  5 лет назад +2

      Exactly!! I totally agree. Lead acids take work. Even adding a trickle charger when not in use is a pain. Not fun at all! You get it

  • @steve-o6413
    @steve-o6413 5 лет назад +4

    🌤Hi Sunshine, great point, it's not like the alternator charging your car's battery everytime you use it...

  • @paulcowan9427
    @paulcowan9427 5 лет назад +7

    Will.... I get a huge kick out of your channel. You’re very good at dumbing this down so the rest of us can understand it. Well maybe just so I can understand it. Thanks for doing the math and keep up the great work ......it’s not only very informative it’s extremely entertaining. Paul

  • @n1k1george
    @n1k1george 3 года назад +1

    I was so close to converting my camper van into dual 6v battery system just because that's we did in the old days to increase ah capacity. Videos like this really educated me to the advantages of the new LifePo technology and what good sense it made to choose lithium despite the initial cost. Now I have a 100ah Battle Born Lithium in my van to provide worry free juice on campouts - and hauling around 115lbs less weight in the process!

  • @mattgreen9323
    @mattgreen9323 5 лет назад +10

    Great videos bud I always watch the whole video to the end

  • @ProlificInvention
    @ProlificInvention 5 лет назад +7

    *DIY Solar Power with Will Prowse* Curious to hear your opinion on Ni/Fe ---Nickel/Iron batteries (AKA Edison batteries)
    I'd love to see a video comparison of a high quality Ni/Fe for solar applications Vs Lead acid and/or lithium. Love how you do advantages and specifications in such an in depth manner, you are a bright young man.

  • @mani-00
    @mani-00 5 лет назад +3

    Will you're always doing an amazing job with these videos! big time follower of your channel! keep up the good work buddy :)

  • @ryanjames7115
    @ryanjames7115 5 лет назад +6

    Wow. That was eye opening. Thank you. I got those cheap agm's one year ago and they are already basically trash, wish I would have invested in lithium.

  • @videobob6789
    @videobob6789 5 лет назад +3

    Will, excellent video, Again!
    Need a video about protecting battery bank and or power wall housing against the cold or sub zero climates. thanks

  • @kayfalls5807
    @kayfalls5807 5 лет назад

    Great videos, very informative and clear. Thank you! Happy trails

  • @brianfogg7532
    @brianfogg7532 2 года назад

    You did a great job explaining this!

  • @AutomaticBadger
    @AutomaticBadger 5 лет назад +1

    Awesome video, best analysis I've seen. Thanks!

  • @geofftaylor8368
    @geofftaylor8368 5 лет назад

    Thank you for clarifying the difference. Easy to understand.

  • @JohninTucson
    @JohninTucson 5 лет назад +1

    You are doing an awesome job educating the public at large Will - Go, man - GO!!! I'm so happy to see your channel blossoming and your content has become top notch. I'm proud of you my friend. An excellent comparison of these two battery chemistries and the true price difference between them. Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries are an enormous game changer for the Solar industry and all of the benefits now of having the Lifepo4 batteries on board your RV or in off-grid use like I will be doing. It is a NO BRAINER folks, if you are going with solar/battery installations, go with the Battleborn batteries (or equivalent LifePo4). I will be purchasing 12-16 of them myself for my off-grid property along with 16k watts of Solar. It's exciting and I can't wait for it all to happen.

  • @VLBrander
    @VLBrander 5 лет назад

    Sweet video Will.. Soooo needed.

  • @gizgad567
    @gizgad567 5 лет назад

    Great video! Thank you for making such informative videos about these! Is battle born the only other company to really get?

  • @michaeldoherty2289
    @michaeldoherty2289 5 лет назад +21

    You nailed it. The initial price tag is all people see and they ignorantly scoff at LiFePO4.. But it doesn't take much analysis to see through it. Just finishing my 12v 240ah aluminum case prismatic cell build. I stole this 240ah 4 cell build with a high quality 200a BMS for 897 dollars including shipping. Got it in 2 weeks directly from the factory in Shenzhen. By the time I added a silicone 20W heating pad with a heat sink, and TSC-1000 thermostat, and built an insulated box, I still spent less than a Battleborn 100ah and got a 240ah system that will last me for decades in my travel trailer with 400W of PV on the roof! Lithium all the way, and if you are willing to learn to build a battery, its even cheaper!!!!

    • @PaDutchRunner
      @PaDutchRunner 5 лет назад +1

      Where did you get the heating pad, heat sink and thermostat?

    • @michaeldoherty2289
      @michaeldoherty2289 5 лет назад +6

      All ebay items. @@PaDutchRunner iexcell Silver Tone Aluminium Heat Diffuser Heatsink LYSB01B6DLG3O-ELECTR,
      Temperature Controller STC-1000 Digital Multifunction Thermostat 12/24V 100X80Mm 12V 20W Heated Bed Heater Pad Silicone Heating Mat For 3D Printer . All are available from sellers in the US. I you want to save a few bucks and have time you can also get them directly from China in 2-3 weeks time. Make sure you get 12V temp controller if your system is 12V! Good luck.

    • @PaDutchRunner
      @PaDutchRunner 5 лет назад

      Michael Doherty thx!!!!

    • @bensonsspeedshop1191
      @bensonsspeedshop1191 5 лет назад

      Awesome, Just Awesome!

    • @michaeldoherty2289
      @michaeldoherty2289 5 лет назад +1

      @@bensonsspeedshop1191 Just got back from camping with it for a few weeks and its even more awesome than I thought! The performance is simply incredible. SLA batteries are in the rear view mirror now. Will never use them again.

  • @Salsacola1
    @Salsacola1 5 лет назад

    Outstanding battery comparison, the safety section is on point.

  • @ianmburke
    @ianmburke 5 лет назад +4

    So educational I love it!

  • @freddiemortos8519
    @freddiemortos8519 5 лет назад

    Thanks for the insight.. I am about to replace my Lead Acid Battery because it doesn't hold a charge anymore after 3 years of usage. Now i'm searching for a better battery replacement and reviews,and luckily i saw your video.. Thanks, I made my decision now.

  • @davidadams421
    @davidadams421 4 года назад +3

    Awesome video. Your knowledge/experience is outstanding and your desire to share this with randoms is just inspirational. You are clearly a strong advocate for lithium chemistries but I like how you are always balanced in your content e.g. there still are scenarios when VRLA batteries are the better option. Keep up the good work, Will. I don't think there is a better channel on RUclips discussing this topic.

  • @jws3925
    @jws3925 4 года назад

    I hear you and agree to a certain extent. Our system is a remote cabin that is left empty for most of the year including the winter months Dec. thru March. Since the cabin is in the Northeast, winter temps are well below freezing. Since most lithium batteries don't tolerate extreme cold well, we have gone with AGM's. Would like to go the lithium route.

  • @jamestrombley386
    @jamestrombley386 4 года назад

    I dry camp in the deserts of Arizona. I've killed three sets of lead acid batteries not having enough solar power to charge them. 120 watt go power portable solar panel might have been enough on lithium. I've since added a 200 watt panel and new charge controller. I was going back and forth on buying lithium vs. AGM. Your video is help me make the right choice lithium all the way when I can scare up the Megabucks. I do realize that the lithium is a better value but that upfront cost hurts. Thank you so much for this video and the other ones I've watched. It did help take the sting out of the cost of lithium.

  • @lightning4871
    @lightning4871 5 лет назад

    After watching your videos for a while now I want to tell you I’m very impressed. You are smart and articulate. The only thing is a lot of what you say is way above my head. Some times you just get too technical.

  • @fukenbroken1
    @fukenbroken1 5 лет назад

    I am convinced. Great job!

  • @kraisydave
    @kraisydave 5 лет назад

    Super great info. Thanks!

  • @AQUATICSLIVE
    @AQUATICSLIVE 5 лет назад +6

    Good comparison the only reason I skip Lithium is the temperature issues. You made that temperature point; I switched back Odyssey Extreme for my area they are rated to -40 which I need. Lithium just don't work at all in the cold I had to run a heater for the battery and still lost allot of capacity it only lasted two years so not for my area in Iowa.

    • @Zeppelinlv2007
      @Zeppelinlv2007 5 лет назад

      Sounds rough. Maybe building an insulation box for the batteries would help from reaching such extreme cold temperatures.

    • @stevek6486
      @stevek6486 5 лет назад

      As will stated, no battery works well at those temps. Not sure of your situation but in an rv or home you can safely move the batteries into conditioned space as they do not off-gas like lead acid. The one situation that I haven’t been able to come up with a reasonable solution away from lead acid is remote solar electric fencing - the added solar needed to heat the batteries would be way out of line vs replacing the battery regularly - ive had situations where I just bring in/swap a battery every few days and charge it from ac when I couldn’t rely on solar especially when it is so freaking cold out!
      I’ve lived in Iowa my whole life, glad to see other “locals” on here.

    • @PaDutchRunner
      @PaDutchRunner 5 лет назад

      Get a propex heater and set the thermostat to like 40 degrees when you’re not in the vehicle. They’ll be fine.

  • @Cryo837
    @Cryo837 5 лет назад +44

    Been waiting for a video comparing the two battery technologies. Thanks!!!

    • @Mathijs303
      @Mathijs303 5 лет назад +2

      Awesome indeed, technology shift!

  • @jimmcgraw6376
    @jimmcgraw6376 5 лет назад

    Right on Will. Very informative I agree with all you said

  • @WmTyndale
    @WmTyndale 4 года назад

    Thank you. Wonderful presentation!

  • @bill84345
    @bill84345 4 года назад

    ANOTHER GREAT VIDEO!!! What brand lithium batteries do you recommend where is the cheapest place to buy them?

  • @pioneerpete8170
    @pioneerpete8170 5 лет назад +1

    I love your channel!! I am a diy guy and do a lot of research online. You have a lot of information about questions I had. You Rock!!
    Lifepo4 batteries are the best.

  • @claudiorivieccio4967
    @claudiorivieccio4967 5 лет назад +2

    Good Job!

  • @jesusjr.bagaforo1344
    @jesusjr.bagaforo1344 3 года назад

    Nice explaination!🖖👍

  • @mikestone9129
    @mikestone9129 2 года назад

    Only you could get so excited over talking solar and batteries. Love your videos.

  • @thepixel5
    @thepixel5 3 года назад

    thanks so much. best info vomit i've warched on this 10 out of 10. subscribed! :)

  • @g.elliott4789
    @g.elliott4789 5 лет назад +2

    Question: 20 yr old coach. swapping Lead to LI. What else do I need to modify? charger, auto source switches, etc.?

  • @enharishkumar6940
    @enharishkumar6940 2 года назад

    Hats off sir, v neatly explained, great knowledge, I'm planning to change Lead acid battery in my ev to Lifepo4

  • @ClashWithBao
    @ClashWithBao 4 года назад

    Thanks for sharing👌✊

  • @LFPSair
    @LFPSair 5 лет назад

    Good info.

  • @BronYerStomp
    @BronYerStomp 5 лет назад

    What battery do you recommend for a 100 watt solar set up on my boat ? Thanks, Luv the vids!

  • @AlexB-tt5di
    @AlexB-tt5di 4 года назад

    Very good video !

  • @chrisschuck2974
    @chrisschuck2974 5 лет назад +14

    I feel like you should start recommending and reviewing some of the smaller LifePO4 batteries. A 40AH or 50AH lithium battery would probably suffice for a lot of your viewers' needs, and they'd have a bit less sticker shock. Great video!

    • @WillProwse
      @WillProwse  5 лет назад +13

      hey that's a really good idea. I did not think of that. I'm going to get my hands on some and do a capacity test and make a tiny system. Thanks for the great idea

    • @CamboLivin
      @CamboLivin 5 лет назад +4

      @@WillProwse , that is correct. A lot of us have been living comfortably in our small RV with 100amp AGM's...so we really only need a 50amp lithium.

    • @Zeppelinlv2007
      @Zeppelinlv2007 5 лет назад +1

      I agree with that too. Plus, chances are some people could even downsize their battery bank to a point to save upfront cost because of the efficiency of lifepo4 over lead acid.

  • @Michael-s2p3p
    @Michael-s2p3p 4 года назад

    Excellent videos and your book arrived today. Why again do you need two 100 amp hour Battle Borns in parallel to run a 2000 w inverter?

  • @shadowstorm7
    @shadowstorm7 5 лет назад +1

    Just getting into solar. I tried watching some of your videos but couldn't find one that shows a plug in (removable) watt/amp/volt meter. Is there one that will do all three with MC4 connectors? Amazon?

  • @xraykadiddlehopper8067
    @xraykadiddlehopper8067 5 лет назад +17

    I agree 100% BUT, The up front costs to buy lithium are the biggest roadblocks for most. $600-$1000 is a lot of money for most. Plus a lithium capable charge controller is nessasary.

    • @WillProwse
      @WillProwse  5 лет назад +11

      But with usable capacity, you still spend same amount. That is covered halfway through the video. Practically the same cost! Raw cell system for lithium is actually way cheaper than AGM!! Brand new!

    • @AaronGeller
      @AaronGeller 5 лет назад +2

      Can you save up or use a 0% interest payment plan through Amazon?

    • @Zeppelinlv2007
      @Zeppelinlv2007 5 лет назад +10

      Even if you borrow money at a low interest rate from those credit card deals to purchase the lifepo4 upfront, it's still comparatively cheaper in the long run. Example: I always get those credit card checks in the mail 12 months @ 0% (+4% transaction fee). $950 100ah BattleBorn + 4% transaction fee = $988. Pay $82.34 a month for a 12 months. Paying for one year to have a 10 year warranty and super cool lifepo4 batteries is worth it over lead acid batteries.

    • @WillProwse
      @WillProwse  5 лет назад +2

      @BDM victron is great for lithium. My favorite combo. So easy to program.

    • @LambySRI
      @LambySRI 5 лет назад +2

      I currently use epever mppt to charge 4s 18650. I have equalisation, boost, and float all set to the same voltage. Has been working well for a few months now. Charge to 3.95v per group, and cut off at 3.25v

  • @simonac688.
    @simonac688. 4 года назад

    Great Tutorial

  • @rvvanlife
    @rvvanlife 5 лет назад

    Thank you Will,

  • @atrule
    @atrule 5 лет назад +1

    Now, do you have purchasing recommendations? Perhaps where you got the one that you are pointing to in the video?

  • @jimmytvglobal
    @jimmytvglobal 5 лет назад

    Good , good presentation.

  • @tommytirey372
    @tommytirey372 5 лет назад

    like your stuff , great job, posted to my cebu solar fb page.

  • @grumpyjohntxredneckrc6346
    @grumpyjohntxredneckrc6346 5 лет назад +1

    GREAT EXPLANATION!!! And When More People Use Them, The Price Will Come Down Even Much Further Due To Laws Of Supply & Demand... Thanks

  • @outlawstar9947
    @outlawstar9947 5 лет назад +1

    Hi Will. Are you familiar with Omnicharge products? If so, what are you thoughts?

  • @fudogwhisperer3590
    @fudogwhisperer3590 5 лет назад +2

    Have you checked out the firefly? Carbon foam lead acid battery. It'd be great to see a review and test.

  • @royfiguracion
    @royfiguracion 4 года назад

    Have a question for you Will if you start off with 2 battleborn batteries can you add another battery say like 1year later for example and by the way i love all your videos so much knowledge and information on solar... keep it going!

  • @melinda5777
    @melinda5777 4 года назад

    For sailboats, would you recommend a AGM or Lithium battery system (solor)?

  • @esasaarinen2423
    @esasaarinen2423 4 года назад +6

    From my experience typical life expectancy for agm, flooded lead acid, lithium is about the same which is about 6-10 years . lithium batteries have great cycling expectancy but the flooded type tubular-plated, lead acid have a design life of over 20 years at 20ºC.

    • @shawnd567
      @shawnd567 2 года назад

      Lead acid/AGM are like 25-50% capacity at 6 years.

  • @sandeshp1184
    @sandeshp1184 2 года назад

    @WillProwse I have been watching your videos since a long time now. I like how you explain things. I had one doubt and am not able to get a proper answer to it even after googling.
    Can I connect a LiFePO4 battery (or any other Lithium battery) to my power inverter even if it officially only supports Lead acid and gel batteries?
    I will of course place a BMS / charge controller / battery balancer between the inverter and battery.

  • @leo.melchior
    @leo.melchior 2 года назад

    Hi Will, I really do enjoy watching your videos. I have learn a lot about solar and LifePO4 batteries. However, I have two problems in converting my sailboat from Lead Acid to LifePO4. 1. Battle Born are not listed on Amazon Canada and 2. Not sure if I parallel two 100AH LifePO4 if they will allow me multiple starts for a 28 hp diesel engine. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Leo

  • @clericoftruth8880
    @clericoftruth8880 3 года назад

    15:45 That's what she said. Watched many of your vids many times. Keep up the good work!

  • @redeemedheathen
    @redeemedheathen 4 года назад

    Good points, well taken. I scored 700ah of new AGM lead acid for $500 total, getting deals from people who didn't finish building their kits. Sure, its about 500lbs of battery and im only factoring about 350ah of usable, but if they can last me at minimum 3 years then I'm happy. For my next battery solution i'm already obviously interested in going lithium for the many good points you mentioned. I wish there was a standard way of comparing battery technology in general, like dollars per amp hour with longevity factored in, so the buyer can easily compare. Maybe there is, but its not readily apparent.

  • @beebob1279
    @beebob1279 2 года назад +1

    WOW. How can you know so much about this? I'm trying to learn and have followed your videos for a few months. You are so knowledgeable it's crazy.
    You've talked about paralleling the batteries to double the amps. Could you go more than two? Is there a limit to tying these things together? The reason I ask is because I've got a heat pump for the house. If it's not worthwhile then I'll just run wood burning stoves for heat and rely on the set up for the fridge and lights in the house.

  • @romaldemgle5867
    @romaldemgle5867 2 года назад

    Will on my grand desigh rv I can charge lithum with the soler but not on shore power . It is a waco brand with all the fuzz converter/charger all in one . What kind of battery can I use . I got a 12v frig I keep blowing up we are on the 3ed one

  • @placitas52
    @placitas52 4 года назад

    Thanks, I am amazed at what I don't know or considered about batteries. About pucked at price when first looked at batteries. 10k charge cycles is about one a day for 25 years. More than life time purchase!

  • @mr.timjohnston546
    @mr.timjohnston546 4 года назад

    going to live FULL TIME in a truck camper and will have a sm energy star freezer and sm fridge. Those are the big items. Not worrying about anything else. I have 500 watts of panels. How many Lithium should I have.? great vid... thx

  • @ahmedjoo1858
    @ahmedjoo1858 5 лет назад +1

    Thanks for the comparison, very good video .. What do you recommend for a solar farm in the middle of the desert with an ambient temperature during the summer reaches 120F ? batteries will be in a closed container for safety reasons so temperature will even be higher.

    • @PaulLadendorf
      @PaulLadendorf 4 года назад

      How about burying the battery box?

  • @laurenbernhardtoledo1739
    @laurenbernhardtoledo1739 4 года назад

    I have a question, what do you think about Lead Crystal / Silicon Dioxide ULL Batteries (SiO2)??? Are they more or less a happy medium between AGM and LiFePo4?

  • @loveourplanetadventures7306
    @loveourplanetadventures7306 5 лет назад +1

    Great info Will. I am buying another lithium to go parallel. Also, replaced 1000 watt inverter with a 1500 watt. If you are running a 1500 watt inverter & run a kettle for heating water or small induction oven you should be in good shape fitted with 250-170 amp circuit breaker. Really, the battery comes down to storage for boondocking. The sun isnt always available & didnt want invest in dc/DC charger. Battery storage us more important. With 360 watts of solar & 200 ah I should be good.

  • @Nodularguy1
    @Nodularguy1 5 лет назад +8

    I've been in the battery business for almost 20 years selling everything you can think of from Lithium to Giant forklift batteries. Everything this guy says is basically true. You can buy better quality leadacid and take very good care of them to get some longer life, but it won't have the cycles of Lithium.

  • @mckenziekeith7434
    @mckenziekeith7434 4 года назад +1

    Great video. Two things you didn't mention. For stationary standby/backup power, where the batteries are not cycled much, lead acid is not so bad. Lead acid batteries can survive for a long time connected to a battery tender or multi-stage charger. But, in warm/hot environments lead acid will always fail prematurely. In places like Hawaii, lead acid (all varieties) is almost a non-starter. No matter whether you discharge it or not, it will be dead in 1 to 3 years just because of the heat. The LiFePO4 batteries hold up much better in the heat.

  • @howardburns8559
    @howardburns8559 5 лет назад

    Hi Will I have a 2 Valence U12-27 lithium batteries. I,m gaining to put them in my 22 RBS cougar camper . I’m going to have a solar system set up and a pure sine wave inverter charger. What I need is a BMS system for my batteries, can you suggest a system that would work for them. Thanks:Howard

  • @richardhobbs9038
    @richardhobbs9038 5 лет назад +1

    I bought a 24kw lithium battery a couple years ago for $9k . It included wheels and it's own propulsion system, air conditioning, GPS navigation, stereo, etc. . . . . you get the idea ! The illustrious state of California (sarcasm?) has given me $700. off my electric bill through SDG&E ($200. first year then $500. last year & waiting to find out how much this year !) for having made this purchase. I am very happy with my lithium battery ! ! !

  • @electric8668
    @electric8668 4 года назад

    Have a system to augment home power grid. 4 100 watt Renogy mono panels with EPEVER Tracer MTTP Solar Charge Controller with a MT50 display and Kisae 2000 watt pure sine wave inverter using 4 6volt 105amp flooded Golf cart batteries. System always drained at night and now it's time to replace batteries. I need suggestions for replacing to continue running a 12 volt system.

  • @jacklabloom635
    @jacklabloom635 5 лет назад +1

    Good video. You convinced me that lithium is way cheaper than lead acid for all high-duty-cycle solar applications.

  • @davebrandon7694
    @davebrandon7694 4 года назад

    Is it possible to replace my 8- 12 volt AGM batteries with the Lithium's in my Electric Polaris Ranger? The 8 batteries are currently setup in two parallel banks of 4 hooked in series.

  • @JasonCarmichael
    @JasonCarmichael 5 лет назад +17

    The phrase you are looking for is, "Total Cost of Ownership".

  • @jasonhospedales3893
    @jasonhospedales3893 4 года назад

    Hi is there any lithium battery you can recommend to go in the engine bay of your vehicle?

  • @timothybryant5918
    @timothybryant5918 3 года назад

    Hi will you are the best! I have bought 4 100 w solar panels and 4 12v water pumps for my koi pond. The pumps are anywhere from $12 to $60 for the same pumps on eBay. In two months four of them have failed. I now buy them from amazon so I can get them replaced. Here’s what I need.... which 300 w power system will be best for one of the panels hook up to run the pump at nite? Jackery? Or?

  • @jimsjacob
    @jimsjacob 4 года назад

    I’ll be frank... Your information is huge and you put it out at a very fast rate. Hard for me to keep up. I can see the benefit of LiFePo batteries, but lead acid/AGM has been running RV’s for decades and my current AGM is going on year 7 now. Works just fine. Can you slow down and explain a little better? For instance, “cold” charging?? Define “cold”. I’ve been hooked up to power and my AGM is getting charged and it’s in the mid 30’s outside last June @ the Grand Tetons. Was that too cold? I subscribed and I’ll keep watching and hope it sticks.
    Plus, it’s not just batteries you’d have to buy. Sounds like I’d have to change my converter plus add other items to maintain LiFePo batteries, so there are more expenses. Thanks for your videos and I look forward to learning more.

  • @Hemifan4266
    @Hemifan4266 2 года назад +1

    Can i store a lithium battery in a garage during the winter in the temp never drops below 35 degrees?

  • @KP-rz3gk
    @KP-rz3gk 5 лет назад

    So if i have 2 LA batteries in my truck camper that always has a trickle charger (16w) solar running, how long can i expect the batteries to last? In the winter months in Alaska, I will store them in my garage. But all summer, we’re camping about every other weekend and using the batteries for only LED house lights, water pump, furnace fan, water pump, occasionally the slide out motor, but no inverter for microwave or air conditioner.

  • @nicolasbarroso
    @nicolasbarroso 5 лет назад

    Will please do a liquid marine batteries. They are cheap and it seams you can discharge them up to 80%. What do you think about it?

    • @AaronGeller
      @AaronGeller 5 лет назад

      You can discharge many batteries to 80%, the problem is maximizing lifecycles. There are some AGMs that can achieve 400-500 cycles at 80% DoD

  • @motion1100
    @motion1100 4 года назад

    What do you suggest I order for my golf cart ?

  • @thegoldenfishzplays9938
    @thegoldenfishzplays9938 4 года назад

    Quick question though, I'm setting up UPS for my data centre, so I'm looking into either using Lead Acid or Lithium Ion, and my next question is... what about the self-discharge rate for both of them?

  • @rickl6697
    @rickl6697 4 года назад

    We were considering replacing our rv's 4 6v GC2 interstate batteries(430 AH)(which need replacing), with 2 100AH Battleborn now and latter when we add some solar add 2 more battleborn batteries. But what concerns me is I just watched a video by Victron showing that charging a lithium battery with an alternator can burn up the alternator.(especially at lower rpms due to the high charge rates the lithium battery can draw.) I don't know about the converter in the rv which charges when plugged in to shore power.

  • @jamesgulrich7416
    @jamesgulrich7416 5 лет назад

    Great video Will. Wish I would have done more study three years ago. I have an inverter that is supposed to trip a relay to start a generator to charge my batteries. It does trip it for about a minute then shuts off. It's supposed to run for hours until it hits float, then shut off but it doesn't. I'm going to bypass the inverter switch. So I am looking for a device that will monitor my battery voltage and I can set a low charge point, have it charge, then shut off at a high charge point. This won't be charging my battery, it's to start and stop my generator. Any ideas?

  • @klipsch80
    @klipsch80 5 лет назад

    Dude! I love your vdeos! I have learned so much and now I want to build my own batterybank :D One question that I have not gotten an answer to anywhere, and maybe you haven`t tried this yourself. Is it possible to parallell two bms`s on one batterypack? Would that work and would the cells balance even better/faster? Cool if you would try it out if you haven`t already :)

  • @WrethaOffGrid
    @WrethaOffGrid 5 лет назад +1

    Question, the Battle Born battery, I thought the BMS in it would stop the charging if the temp fell too low? I heard you say on this video that we would need a Victron device to stop the charging at the lower temps. We are upgrading our small off grid solar system (11 years old now), I have gone through 4 separate sets of deep cycle batteries over the years, now I have this Battle Born battery, we are in the process of putting together a new system with it, I'll get another battery soon to go with it. Your videos have been a huge help for us, thanks so much!

    • @WrethaOffGrid
      @WrethaOffGrid 5 лет назад

      I did confirm the Battle Born batteries BMS will stop charging if the temp goes too low.

  • @xramoj
    @xramoj 4 года назад +1

    11:35 so why then Lion requires controller IC, and L-A in the car charges from generator with a diode bridge?