The Downfall of Britain: Every Day - Alternate History
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- For the first time in nearly a thousand years, Britain is successfully invaded...
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Zaporozhian Cossack March
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The Inner Party Speaker
Something Wicked
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Must be funny when someone escaped to France (from 1955-2000)via boat or something and is confused when he’s not defecting to Eurasia and is in something called France.
he hoped for communist, he found angry depressive grumpy but friendly frenchman, god what a shock
@Anonymer Nutzer what ?
@Anonymer Nutzer missed the joke entirely
“What does France mean? An Eurasian newspeak word for hostile??”
I think that would make for a interesting short story. The man defects to what he thought was Eurasia, but the French are trying to tell him there is no Eurasia, even showing them a map of the world, seeing Oceania is just the one British island he lived on, and over the course of the story he begins to slowly realize how deep Oceanias propaganda went.
This is actually a really intresting scenario, just the idea itself about 1984. They say that they're this massive Empire that supposedly owns all of North and South America and Australia but the whole thing only takes place in Britain, we don't know the world outside of Britain and it never really shows us. The Government in the book however can make the people believe almost anything it wants.
This is really making me think.
Julia didn't believe the war was real, and Goldstein's book itself stated the possibility that the whole war was false but that it was immaterial to the programme of control the Party had established. A dictatorship such as that of the Party would be far easier to manage in one wholly self-contained island from which the rest of the world could be shut out rather than a sprawling global empire, particularly if there is no central government as such but rather a system pinned to the ideological dominion of Ingsoc to which all members of the Party are inculcated, in much the same manner as the medieval Catholic Church; with administrative control split between various zones of Airstrip One and the ministries, as with the rulership of the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia during the 1970s. The "war" could easily be the result of infighting between the zonal administrators each attempting to bring about the victory of their "pure" form of Ingsoc, as was the case in Cambodia. Meanwhile, it is in the interest of the Party as a whole regardless of any interfactional rivalries there may be to maintain the fiction of a global war and a large cohesive empire under the semi-divine rulership of Big Brother, the reign of ideological absolutism and police terror over the populace and Party membership, and the propaganda of endless fulfillments of production quotas that themselves are likely pure invention.
If Oceania is nothing but the self-contained island of Britain which has effectively shut itself off from the outside world, then any perversion of reality can be practised within and the population would know nothing about it. If an atomic war had actually occurred in 1950, using the relatively small arsenals of low-grade fission weapons then available, it is possible that Britain was one of the few surviving areas of organised civilisation left in a damaged world lacking in global communication and trade, which would mean that effectively there is no outside world any longer, at least not in the form it had existed at prior to the dropping of the Bombs, and the Party can claim anything it damn well pleases.
It makes Oceania sound like a second North Korea
@Silver Allaway True, Oceania is a hell of a hellscape, Pol Pot would clapped his hand for eternity
In the book everyone was british and the people who were broadcast as criminals were british if they did occupy america and australia they'd be a far more richer country with diverse english speaking people with Australian and american accent the bombs that were launched were probably from surrounding nations trying to liberate the people of britain.
In the book, Orwell wrote, that Winston had seen a photo, that had been taken in New York, and it had shown three members of the Party, who had been on an assembly there. However, we all know, that the Ministry of Thruth fakes everything, so we can't say anything for sure.
If you think about it, Winston is somewhere between 35-45 in the book/movie, so there's a decent chance he'd be alive to see Oceania fall in this world
He is 39 in the book because he was born in 1945 and he will be 58 by the time of this happens.
@@lorddoctor-4893 Dude... Did you guys even read the book?He dies like 1986 or something like that.They execute him in the coridor.
@@janzizka8922 I don't think so.
@@lorddoctor-4893 Obrien tells Winston : Everyone who get brainwashed will released first to confess and then execute by party after the speech.Please go and read the book.
@@janzizka8922 Maybe that is true in the book, but in the movie Winston lived.
I love how he included uprisings and militia forces, it just shows how strong the effects of Oceanian propaganda and psychological control were. The Oceanians most likely see it as the day when "Eastasia" comes to attack them. To put it simply bravo to the attention to detail.
more like Eurasia
@@newstartyt3700 Oh yeah my bad
It switches every few years
@@TheRepublicOfDixionconderogayeah but Eastasia wouldn’t be attacking Airforce 1
@@nightmarexgaming120 it is airstrip 1
Imagine being Winston or Julia at this point. For the first time in your life, you're seeing bombers and troops completely alien to you. Flags from nations that never existed, but, do? These troops, they aren't speaking Newspeak, they're speaking Old Speak. They say things, express concepts that you have always felt but never could put into words. The Party, IngSoc, a thing which is everything, all you ever knew, that could tell you the sky was red and you would believe it, is gone, being ground to dust by some... Thing called "NATO". Airstrip 1 was "Great Britain". The party was always truthful and loving, it told you everything, but... It was all wrong, were they lying, or was this another ploy by the party? If reality wasn't what the party said, what was it?
It would be an absolute existential crisis for every last Oceanian. The fact that things can be objectively true no matter what might lead to mass suicides and the breakdown of their entire worldview. This new "United Kingdom" that is the government now is strange and alien to the people of former Oceania. I think it would take years for it to finally set into people like Wilson and Julia that "yes, this is the world, and The Party was wrong". The news that the brotherhood was never real might be more of a shock than anything else, really.
An Oceanian citizen would have their own POV of 1984, Except… they’re against a much better world than the one they want.
Not to mention technological backwardness of Oceania itself. In the book it's stated, that their technology is mostly on 1940s level. For every oceanian citizen it would be like time-traveling 50 years into the future
The population would be being told this is a Eurasian trick
@@TheRepublicOfDixionconderogaOr Eastasian.
@@TheRepublicOfDixionconderoga but then how long will that stick until NATO's completely destroyed the Party?
The fact that a party is willingly launching nukes in its own country and around the world is terrifying yet dumb.
The Party does not have actual care for the people. They just use them as propaganda tools to allow their regime to continue. And in wars, they will use them to help their nation through any means possible, even if it means suicide for them, although, that is something more of what Eastasia would do.
Well honestly they would make it seem like East Asia is attacking and nuking them rather then the party attacking its own country because it's being attacked by Europe.
That's the thing lad.
Yes, you can find logic in it. However one that goes against common sense.
The government, who are supposed to help their citizens, brutally anihilate millions of their own to "defend against the enemy".
INGSOC murders en masse their people, in order to save themselves.
It is idiotic. :(
@@AssassinIsAfk
IS THAT A BELKA REFERENCE1!?!?1!!1?!?!??!1??!!?!?
I like how the UK goes into exile in the Channel Islands and the Shetland islands
@@levthemapperxd no typo there
I feel like they would also go into exile in there other overseas territories, like Gibraltar, the Cayman Islands, the British Virgin Islands, Bermuda, The Falklands and Anguilla.
the UK in this scenario is basically the free france/taiwan of the modern world, a nation stripped of its homeland, left with its overseas territories (albeit they're all very small)
An important deviation is that Argentina would most likely win the Falklands war, as British government in exile would be too weak to stop Argentina
So uhhh
Good ending? Las Malvinas son argentinas?
I think its possible the USA would gets involved as Britain can’t afford to loose more land
@@doucca8116 no, bad ending. But at least the bad ending is fiction
No,US would annex Falklands
@@doucca8116 It would be horrible if the natives would be invaded by the argentine horde :(
The problem with this, is that Oceania is not like Nazi Germany. The masses wouldn't be relieved, they'd be enraged. You wouldn't be fighting a million soldiers, you'd be fighting tens of millions of angry englishmen.
Oceanians
Well… the Party would be enraged. The proles would probably be either relieved since a lot of them are old enough to remember the times before Oceania, or they’ll be indifferent so long as their lotteries and sports and whatnot went on uninterrupted since that’s (allegedly) all they care about.
Remember, proles make up 85% of Oceania’s population and they’re the ones the Party doesn’t really care much about (aside from the few who think too much). The Party people are the ones you really have to watch out for since they’re the indoctrinated ones
Not unless you have a heavy weapon they haven't seen before
just give iphones to the proles and they'd be fine. its only the outer party that would put up signifcant resistence
@@starleighpersonal true. I forgot about that
3:40 I would dread being in charge of repairing any part of this nation. Pol Pot is probably the most compared dictator to 1984, and to this day, many are accused of trying to bring the bloodshed back, with several politicians are former members of the Khmer Rouge, including the current prime minister. He lasted four years, a meer tenth of Oceania time was in power.
Pol Pot, curiously enough, even compared to an American president, was shy to the point he could tolerate no cult of his personality. He also lived in a house organized exactly like a buddhist temple (no furniture besides floor mats to sleep and sit) minus the religion. More and more researchers are now coming to the conclusion that he governed absolutely nothing and that the killings were done by the same American-trained thugs who had started them under the American occupation. Many Cambodians remember the Khmer Rouge proper as the less corrupt rulers they had but that they never had the real power and that the deaths were due to attacks of pro-US forest bandits.
@@MrMirville Can you please provide a source for this?
@@braedanquigley7500 "Trust me bro"
the Khmer Rouge only rose to power because of Lon Nol, who favored the US and allowed the secret bombing of Cambodia, couped Sihanouk, which in turn led to Sihanouk endorsing the Khmet Rouge thinking he could somehow get his throne back from communists of all ppl, not to mention the North Vietnamese invasion and support for the Khmer Rouge. Man desperately wanted to claim his government isn't just the cheap version of Ingsoc and pins it all on the US. Also about Pol Pot's house, he literally adopted the Silver Pagoda as his main residence, *a place usually used for royal ceremonies,* like seriously, living like a buddhist ??? About him not wanting a cult of personality, literally, just go to the former S-21, *there's literally a bust of him there, in anticipation for a cult of personality.*
Aight, here's the sauces:
- Khmer Rouge's rise to power: the Cambodian Civil War, pick your source, there's a lot, though Wikipedia is a start
- Pol Pot's residence: "Pol Pot: The History of a Nightmare"
- Pol Pot's cult of personality: "Brother Number One, A Political Biography of Pol Pot"
In the killings, yes, but in the actual propaganda, it would definitely be North Korea.
@@MrMirville You Almost got me there. Nice try tankie
I know this is late but in this universe Eurasia is technically real because NATO is Eurasia if you think about it. If China is also against Oceania, then Eastasia is real.
Maybe, but Oceania has no way of exerting influence outside of the British Isles. If an Eastasia existed, Oceania wouldn't be able to fight it in any capacity.
Actually the warsaw pact would have been Eurasia due to both being communist
@@NoTuProduzioni Eurasia isn't exactly communist. However, one thing that you can say about it is that it's right across the English Channel. This description fits NATO perfectly. Of course, there's the thing with the whole Equatorial Front and all that.
@@deleetiusproductions3497 yeah in the book it never really goes into detail about Eurasias political ideology so they could be anything really
@@baldrickthedungspreader3107 All the book says is that all the 3 superpowers have a very similar government to Oceania, so NATO or the Warsaw Pact are both right, because Oceania calls itself a democracy while also being a totalitarian state.
This is just... Perfect
The best the mapping genre has to offer
Indeed
Oceania in the Book: Stronk Superpower, best military
Oceania in the video: a weak bri'ish isolonionists dreaming of conquering the world.
This video is simply a doubleplusungood lie from Eastasia. We always have been at war with Eastasia.
We always have been allies with Eurasia.
@@Airbiscuitmaker You Use Oldspeak 17. Newspeak 37 Word Movesee 2plusungood Untrue Word Eastasia, We alltime unpeace Eastasia, We alltime friend Eurasia.
Well we don't know if Oceania told the truth about their power and their control over the world! It's just like north Korea! According to north Korean propegand north Korea in best country in the world and there is a famine in the south wich is a lie.
Sounds like the Tory party manifesto vs reality.
@@alezacrespublik6655 Remember, The Party,
Quadruplesquarv Movespeakpraktikum Rightleftignore Sstrokt Uoupta Hw jo kkx Jdnsjak Ehrasia is always at war with Oceania, Oceania is always at war with Eastaage, 2+2=21, Humongous Male Sibling is continuously witnessing
This has always been my fan theory: Oceania doesn't exist beyond Britain, and the rest of the world is more or less the same as it is in real life.
Some people have a theory that it’s just london, and the endless war is actually the Oceanian revolt against the uk
Mine was that: after ww3 every nations was obliterated by nuclear hell fire, the uk was devastated and in ruins. Almost every city gone with but ultimately survived do to being nuked far less than most countires. The extreme trauma caused by the war resulted in the foundation of ingsoc and there web of lies constructed to maintain order in a post M.A.D. barren wasteland of a world. The people listened to the parties "truth" because it was easier to believe in the war between the three nations than to except the fact that everything they knew was gone. And that everyone outside of oceania(airstrip 1) was dead.
@@epsilonarcaneresearch1945one crazy theory I have is that ww2 unlike it our timeline was much more catastrophic and more people died, Oceania got in charge after World War 2 when the axis wins “Eurasia” as actually a nazi empire and Oceania is stopping the truth because they know its citizens can’t handle it, there isn’t much to prove it but it’s cool to think about
@@epsilonarcaneresearch1945 There is still land outside Britain with human life, given that things like chocolate are imported, but yeah it’s very likely the whole world is just too weak to do anything about British ships just stealing whatever scraps they can and taking it home
@@epsilonarcaneresearch1945Thats basically Panem in the hunger games
The whole war with Eastasia and Eurasia being a lie has always has been my personal headcanon for the book tbh, Oceania being a isolated regime North Korea style always seemed way more likely
That's an intriguing thought - one I have had myself. A world in chaos following multiple wars, and a group of fanatics seize power. What becomes Oceania is isolated from the rest of the world, fearful and paranoid of enemies within and without.
Shit, wait, this scenario makes a lot of sense. Most people list Oceania as owning the Americas, the British Isles, South Africa and the continent of Oceania. But even though Orwell's quote sourcing that apparently comes from a separate book.. imagine if it was also simply derived from the Ministry of Truth. Nothing like lying about territory acquisition to people totally cut off from all outside communication to convince them that they are very powerful, and war will go well, but they still need them to fight for them, and that since there is no other uprising anywhere else there is no hope. It is unlikely it controls that much area anyway, 100% totalitarian control over that much land would need a lot of policing, which would take a LOT of completely brainwashed citizens to do (which would need a location to continually be brainwashed in, as if left alone long enough they will start to doubt) and especially for rural areas that simply is not feasible. Very hard to keep people in-line when they don't have the constant threat like population centres do.
Plus, it feels very fitting for a book about mind games, lies and rewriting existence to have the reader spout the authoritarian state's propaganda unknowingly.
Speaking about the territories, as I remember, Goldstein wrote that Oceania is actually a federation or even a military union with large autonomy for countries which it consists of. It makes sense for me, it's easier to control such territories if you don't have to solve every problem in every small place. So, Oceania may control over that much land in theory
@@teneclarusslavicus5390 But in practice… they only completely own the British Isles!
@@orrorsaness5942, I don't think so. Nothing tells about it in the book
Plus, when you have populations like that of the former United States and Latin America, which are known to be fiercely independent and hostile to outsiders, it makes it even more unlikely that Oceania could keep control over that much land and people. At best Oceania could control the Dominions, but even that seems unlikely, given how Britain in our timeline had practically given the Dominions independence in all but name before WW2 even began.
So, the book Winston read was also coontainig false information?
Idk looks like Eurasian propaganda to me
@Sultanate of Rûm [HD] wasn't easta-
*thought police breaks in*
It’s more East Asian propaganda because in this scenario Eurasia doesn’t exist on the map
@@leafbou Elo!
lol
Negative. This is doubleplus ungood propagandestic lies from Eastasia. We and the People of Eurasia are and always have been allies.
I really liked this scenario. It was amazing and interesting to watch.
You did a very good job, it deserves more appreciation
Tank you!
NATO: we’re gonna use a reverse D-Day to liberate the British Isles
The 3rd Reich’s Ghost: They don’t know that a reverse D-Day is the same as an Operation Sea Lion
Except in this case, NATO had all the resources, air and naval superiority it could ever want to sustain an invasion of Britain, since if Oceania even had a navy to speak of, we never heard about it in the books. The reason nobody has been able to successfully invade Britain since William the Conqueror is because of Britain's gigantic fucking navy that they used to deter any kind of invasion of the Home Islands whatsoever. Meanwhile here, we have absolutely no idea what the naval capabilities of Oceania are, and if this video's theory is right, that Oceania is just basically a hermit kingdom in the British Isles fighting an endless war against Irish nationalists, then their capabilities as a naval power are probably shit. NATO, on the other hand, with the US leading it, has probably the single largest navy in the world, and would be easily capable of annihilating whatever meager naval forces the Oceanians can muster, and most likely could support a naval invasion of the British Isles. Would it be easy? Definitely not. Even in real life, the D-Day landings were a practical miracle, what with logistical issues and poor weather. And that included naval and air superiority and 4 years of naval experience against the Japanese. But it IS possible. So, yeah.
I love how this dude made a joke and this other guy wrote a novel about how he is wrong
@@Skywarslord that's youtube in a nutshell
Well, it's also the same thing as what Napoleon planned. And what was planned by France and Spain during the American Revolutionary War. As well, France planned such an invasion during the Seven Years' War. And the Austrian War of Succession. Also, the Spanish War of Succession. And that's just what happened after 1700.
@@pandepanda31 more like social media in a nutshell
This is probably the most realistic alternate war I've seen.
The perspective is weird
This was always how I thought what had really happened in 1984
i thought they controlled the entire and the war is fake
RIP Oceania
1955-2002
Mighty Empire of Britain, America, South Africa and Australia (100% true)
No it says in the video it is only great britain
(Thought it is just a theory).
We dont knoe exact time of the revolution. Probably between 1945-1955
@@levthemapperxd You idiot, Oceania totally controlled a vast global empire and definitely wasn't just confined to the British Isles. What a crazy theory, right?
@CoolHenry22 NOOOOOOO
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The only no-sense thing in this chart is the northen Ireland
An Irish Free Army would take and complain the ENTIRE irish island for itself for irish people
Irish culture has probably been exterminated by decades of Oceanian rule except for areas controlled by the Free Army, and replaced with the all encompassing culture of Oceania
NATO would have probably threatened the Irish Republic with refusal to help with occupation if they refused the joint-occupation Zone.
NATO sent lots of soldiers in ireland to the Irish Free Army, they could use those soldiers to assault and occupy important buildings, such as the headquarters, airports, ports, bases, government office, train stations and more to force the government of the Irish Free Army to not claim northern ireland.
@@empireofyoutube7487the thing is why WOULD they, like clearly the British and Oceanian due to brainwashing are absurdly differant
The Northern irland wouldnt be english or Irish it would be Oceanians, just as brainwashed as the rest after 50 years with a more and more dumbed down language.
Tis not as if the United Kingdom weak as they would be would be in a position to contest based on the fact that they are englishmen. They arent anymore, but they are still on the Island of Ireland, fairly sure the UK would only exist artificially too since Gaelic would be dead, Old Irish probably too based on the fact that Angsoc probably went after them due to them having knowlege of another language too far from newspeak or even oldspeak.
Welsh cornish and Mann died too, so really Scotland England Wales Cornwall wouldnt even have much of a culture left, only the geographical reminder, hell even english culture would be dead. And Ireland itself would be so damaged between the millions dead, the brainwashing of whoever is left in Oceanian occupation zone as the liberation army was left to die by Nato due to cold war it seems, or barely kept alive in isolated regions, that it would take decades just to recover whats left of its own culture after 50 years of total war destroying its very identity too, they just have a slightly better chance at actually recovering.
(Wait just realised that means Breton would be the last remaining true celtic language and culture left in the world because of Angsoc, oh rip)
The IFA is allied to NATO, meaning at least for now they follow the British claim for the territory, it's likely that after the war and as a thanks for the help, the UK government would cede the territory
Imagine there being a TV series where survivors of Oceania are interviewed
Yes please
* Newspeak babbling with bri´ish accent intensifies *
@@B0B0BI The thought is actually kind of terrifying. By 1984 they were on the 10th edition of Newspeak and had cut down on many words and seemed to be planning to fully implement it as the sole language in Oceania. This is in 2001 so by then these soldiers could be walking into a country where people can only speak about six words and are completely braindead.
@@amaritineenthusiast They claimed everyone would be speaking only Newspeak by 2050, probably semi accurate. I assume they'd find slaves so thoroughly broken that an entire nation needs therapy for decades.
Question, would there even be a United Kingdom? It could easily end up as the British Republic.
Yes it would be the uk because the ik still exists in the Scottish islands and channel islands
Royal family probably fled to Canada or another former colony and came back to rule britain
@@mrsub2023 The Royal Family running away to Africa to bless the rains be like…
@@mrsub2023 Tbh I dont think so. The people of Britain probably wouldnt want such a monarch.
Maybe the royal family escaped to Canada and is still ruling the other Commonwealth realms like in our world? Maybe after a decades of re education and rebuilding Great Britain maybe a referendum on the form of government might be held.
I’ve always wondered how Oceania would evolve for the worse in the years after the events of the book and how a modern adaptation would incorporate themes such as the internet and facial recognition/finger print technology.
in the world of 1984 there is nothing to evolve from. The world is in a constant state of war for the equatorial front and always will be
This is actually very well made and thought through. A few things I would’ve changed would be where Oceania goes to war with the USA and NATO in 1984, hence the name. As the resources of the Irish Free Army would be drastically depleted and the state itself could possibly dissolve, the Ingsoc Party would look elsewhere to kickstart another campaign. I believe Oceania would think that attacking the USA and Canada would be their best option, rather than invading closer neighbors such as France that could easily result in their ultimate defeat. The Ministry of Truth would order the rewriting of history in a mass propaganda campaign, replacing Eurasia and Eastasia with America and NATO (or adding them into the mix). Overall, very good video.
You could do the Holy Britannian Empire (Code Geass) vs. the United States of America (Fallout pre-war had the bombs never been dropped and the government restored to a democracy)
But the leadership of Oceania is not stupid and attacking the USA and NATO would be suicidal. Also France is in NATO so it would be at war with France if it was at war with the USA
I can see the usa and other countries sending aid to the irish free army in order to defeat oceania because no government in their right mind would allow a country like oceania to exist
I dunno, that ‘doctrine of perpetual war’ thing might be enough to prevent the complete collapse of the Irish free army, but that’s not to say they wouldn’t be weakened after being basically forced to fight off the Oceanians for decades. The Oceanians aren’t trying to crush them completely. Not to mention, NATO would also probably be supplying the Irish with weapons, ammunitions, and other supplies prior to the direct intervention, most likely to keep a foothold and to one day attempt liberation of the British Isles completely. Basically somewhat of an Ukraine situation, and then escalating to somewhat of another Vietnam.
This is probably one the most underrated channels I've seen in awhile
I don't often like to comment as my RUclips account has my name, but god, this is good!
you have earned a sub and a like, I hope you make many more videos like this!
Thank you for your comment!
Why dont you change your name?
Your actually called Trotsky?
@@baldrickthedungspreader3107 i think he change his youtube name
You have been accused of thought crime and have been sentenced to death.
The aftermath as depicted here might be what an occupation of North-Korea would be like I think.
The problem is that North Korea still teaches its people about real countries of the world, while Oceania (not that smol continent near Indonesia) just fucking simplify the world into 3 the countries
@@Xanadu_The_New_Justin_Y but what they teach about those counties is often far from the truth from what I gather...
I love the map (and the video)
I was forced to read this in English class last year, and this scenario was my theory as well, that Britain was really all that Oceania controlled.
i would imagine them sending their troops on a long ocean trip then bring them to ireland to make the illusion of going to africa or asia
I LOVED THIS! Now that I think about it, there is no reason to actually believe INGSOC on the state of the world, and something like this could have very well happened.
Thanks!
Honestly, it 's a pretty good video .By the way, it may also be probable, because in 1984 we know little about the world outside the British Isles, and besides, the AngSoc is far from the most reliable source of information, so it is quite possible that in the world of "1984" events developed in the same way as in our World, with the exception of the overthrow of the monarchy, in Britain, and the proclamation of Oceania.Indeed, it is quite likely that the world outside the British Isles is the same as in real history , and it is also possible that in the early 2000s NATO would have staged an intervention in Oceania, but that's how good the video is.
I read Orwell's classic about a year and a half ago, and I'd have to agree. The story is told entirely in the first-person style, and the narrator (Winston) never leaves Great Britain... this scenario IS entirely within the realm of possibility.
Also love the globe 3D map layout, do more of them!
I feel like Oceania would have collapsed a lot quicker in this considering that their technology is equivalent to that of a country in the 1940s.
That ending is truly horrifying, especially the bit about "brain extermination". It might as well be dead.
actually it has truly happened IRL. It happened in bangaladesh due to the genocide there, as pakistan killed everyone who was educated, whilist also trying to kill everyone else, and it ended due to an Indian intervention. Bangaladesh is partly so poor today because of the fact that there was literal to no educated people left in the country due to what pakistan did, essentially a brain extermination. What Oceania controlled would suffer a similar fate...
@@burger_person115 So what you’re saying is that if someone in Oceania knew about the lifestyle of the democratic outside world, they would be killed?
@@jeff_theepic1011 not just killed. They are gaslighted into believing that they were wrong, later they are willingfully admit to crimes against oceania that they never commited and just were convinced they commited and then secretly executed a couple years later.
You missed the part at the very beginning where oil is discovered somewhere in Britain.
North Sea
In Alan Moore's *_League of Extraordinary Gentlemen_* comics series, the INGSOC government is described as having ruled the UK under its new name of "Oceania" from, IIRC, 1955 to 1960, and then collapsed, followed by the restoration of democracy, the return of the Royal Family from exile in Canada, the resumption of space travel, the re-legalization of superheroes, the re-emergence of fairies from their hiding places in the woods (it's Moore's story, he tells it...).
eh, i do not believe that is what happened, it would be nigh on impossible
friend, I could make a video like this, but where the proletarians, with the idea of goldstein rebel, and overthrow INGSOC, and with the scenario true to the book, a suggestion of mine, it would be great, because your channel is fantastic
Due to some major loss in the overseas empire like violent revolts again British rule, the government shifted to totalitarianism to try and keep control of the people remaining. It's also likely they invaded Ireland sometime after INSGOC took power.
Anyway very good video and extremely well made. 👍
I also heard the idea that Oceania isn't even the British isles, it's just London and the surrounding area. With Eurasia and East Asia being the UK
My favourite is they aren’t even in the British isles but the date controls so much that people would know weather it’s true or not
Eastasia is Wales
Eurasia is Scotland and northern England
Oceania is the Midlands, Kent, and East Anglia
Fighting occurs in the disputed regions of Northumberland and Cornwall
I would love a book that takes place during the liberation of London, with everyone there learning that all the propaganda they’ve been being fed was fictional
Amazing video! Though I laughed when I realized that UK moved their capital to Jersey. Reminds me of the alt history scenario where the British Isles fall to the syndicalist Union of Britain and the monarchy flees to Ottawa, forming the Canadian Empire.
Kaiserreich/redux?
@@Tseufars Yeah
Goldstein Approves this video
Then, Goldstein would be a refugee in the USSR
Yay! A sequel to 1984! Goldstein's dreams is finally coming true.
If this is actual 1984 Lore, that Oceania only controls Britain, and eventually falls, I am relieved.
Not really direct lore but its definitely in the subtext that Oceania doesn't own much of if any of the land it claims to.
on the bright side this would probably be a gold mine for psychological studies
Very cool video, very cool channel. The timeline actually makes a lot of sense even if map movements are sometimes kind of rapid like in other map videos. Worth the time
A modern European version of Operation Downfall.
There is a part of the interrogation in which Winston tries to demonstrate to O'Brien that the party cannot control everything by telling him that they have not been able to destroy Eurasia and East Asia, to which O'Brien responds that if they haven't already conquered them it's because they don't want to. He asked me if he knew that Eurasia and East Asia don't really exist and Oceania is just Britain, and what he says is just an excuse to keep breaking Winston. Or maybe O'Brien really believes that Oceania is a great empire and that its two enemies exist.
Perhaps the military's top brass uses doublethink to believe they are sending troops to India when in reality they are sending them to Ireland or other areas of the United Kingdom.
If that is true, I would honestly stop seeing Oceania as a terrifying government and start seeing them as a pathetic group of crazy people on an island who believe they dominate the entire world.
Although something that does not add up is that in another scene you can see how several Eurasian prisoners of war are executed in the street, some of them have Caucasian features, but others have Asian features, which makes me wonder where they got those Asian prisoners from.
I'm also curious to think what the reaction of the inhabitants of Oceania like O'Brien himself would be once they discover that Oceania is not what they thought it was, and and they could adapt to living in a democratic system. Maybe they are all programmed to prefer death to capitulation and it is impossible to save them.
Airstrip 1 was never part of Oceania, we have always been at war with Airstrip 1
I’ve subscribed to the idea that The war was made up and that The isle were just under complete isolation and people could not tell because they couldn’t think other wise.
How lucky are those who've heard "The Hiking Song" before it's removed due to copyright claims.
Heh, yeah.
In the book 1984, even Big Brother's existence is questionable. It's suspected that he's a fabrication rather than a real person.
He don't exist, Goldstein said that himself and I'm pretty sure that he's one of the internals party members
If he actually was real, Imagine the absolute rage of the Oceanian population once they hear that Big Brother was killed by -Eurasian- NATO troops
This is a sound hypotesis, however it goes directly against 1984' puropose and objective of showing us the danger and reality of totalitarianism. The fact there is no escape from it, because every country has developed his form, is a powerful narrative device. I still remember Winston and his coprotagonist desperately thinking what to do, and the fearsome anxiety that derives from the lack of details on Eurasia's uber-kollectivism and Estasia's doctrine of the "annhilation of the self". And this anxiety is _necessary to have_, it means the novel _works_. So, thinking that there is escape, or victory, is not good if you understand the book. It's something rather similar to the finale of "HE's back" movie: you can't kill AH, even if there the reason is psychological: while in 1984 is material. Both are terrifyng. As it should be.
No, it actually makes the totalitarianism even stronger.
The Book Goldstein wrote? Αctually wrote by ingsoc
Borders? Completely fabricated by ingsoc
0:22 I noticed a soundtrack change from the 1984 film soundtrack “Inner Party Speaker” to a stock music, was this from a copywriter strike?
Ya
@@arsha1434 oof, that blows. It’s ridiculous that YT has to do that
Someone leave a link for the two beginning songs
Well in the index, it says INGSOC was overthrown and this could be a likely scenario where that happens. Nice job
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This also raise the question of language because in the book, the party is forcing people to speak newspeak, a simplified version of English where their no word of rebellion so people in Britain can even think of rebellion, in fact a lot of brits in this universe Probably struggle to understand what Americans saying because a lot of the Americans would be using words brits wouldn’t even know.
But after Oceania collapse Britain would be poorest and least educated people in Western Europe what would be sad
badspeak!
Ooooh the spicy warslides!
Ingsoc didn’t put much up as a fight, they should have attacked NATO when they halted their offensive. If you think about it they halted because they where dealing with the Pro Ingsoc Insurgents, so this would have allowed them to deal a descive blow, a massive set back for NATO, so why did they not do it?
Hampered by their own Perpetual War ideology, perhaps. Also, NATO can call on far larger manpower reserves than Airstrip One is capable of bringing up and likely have the qualitative edge in armour, artillery and combat aircraft as well. Additionally, if NATO have established air superiority over their zones of advance, any Ingoc counterattack could be blunted.
Your right.
@@colonelgeorgiospapadopoulos Yes.
Bri'ish imposters literally nuked themselves lol
Now this is an interpretation of 1984 and Oceania I can believe, rather then whats presented in the book.
I would like to see a sequel of the film 1984 itself with this type of scenario.
My title idea would be: "1984: Downfall"
Great Video, pretty sure 1984 is the North Korean dynasty's textbook for governance.
N. Brio Da Zuera will be crying oceans after seeing this
What’s the music in the beginning? Like the part where it shows the soldiers
This would be a interesting book/show- 2 actually- one on the war- one on the post war, maybe with the 2nd have a Ocianian and a NATO (maybe American or Canadian) in a situation together
Very good scenario and idea ! That's a great video
Truly original video.
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This is an amazing video
This is a really creative scenario I like it! :D
This video was the larger Chungus! Well done!
Bruh
Bruh
Nato wouldn't ever attack a nation with nukes, lol.
France especially wouldn't provoke by letting an invasion assemble considering that Paris would be completely destroyed in this scenario.
They would if the nukes were outdated by like, 50-60 years.
@@kiernanhowell-mackinley1733 Nope, NATO is extremely cowardly, they would never attack any nation that had any possibility to hit back in any way.
@@alphana7055Do you want to bet on that?
@@black-uh1df Have you not seen how the USN totally gave up against Yemen? So much for their claim that they are protecting trade routes 😂
If we bet, I already won.
@@alphana7055 Gave up? Are we watching the same conflict? Because evidently you aren't
But how UK government get overthrow in the first place? Did they get help from the Soviets?
That parts not important (because its impossible). For such an ideology to form in the first place would require nothing less than a nuclear holocaust, something which happened in the book but not in this timeline.
@@arsha1434 or imagine an alternate story where at some point in the Cold War, the UK would have suffered a huge crisis leading to the rise of INGSOC. After INGSOC took Britain and renamed it Oceania, it would leave NATO and isolate itself from the rest of the world. While INGSOC deceives the people of Oceania, the history of the world would remain pretty much the same
@@ernestorivas3764 Well the UK was still a thing after Oceania takes over
@@arsha1434 but how they gain power i mean I'm pretty sure it's impossible because the Americans and other Europeans refuse to let a socialist government take control.
@@isyraf9989 He said it was impossible
Another crazy theory I heard is 1984 is actually not set in the year '1984' but is really just some random date in the future being 1984 years since the founding of the party.
I've often thought in the book that it is literally just the UK that lives under the regime and that the rest of the world is as normal, Winston would not know any better and we never get rhe true picture as the viewer
Great job!
Ive really love how you set up the scenario. The whole world normal except the british isles and part of Ireland. I really like the creativity of the scenario.
Doubleplusungood, comrade. You're going to Room 101
after 1990: your free to go, goldstein for the win.
3:21 where does the audio starting here come from?
Flat earthers crying rn
No : even when realizing they are not a world empire but the tiny remnant of one the population of Oceania would stick to their narrative as to a religion with a mythology like Sparta in ancient Greece who believed the were the mightiest empire in the world extending from Germany to India with Olympus as a capital, even though they had a hard time keeping their own Peloponese relatively independent and they needed armies from without such as the Romans to keep their sovereignty which was based on perpetual war. The Romans just kept them in their daydream and used them to row their boats for free and to kill pirates. I imagine UE conquering Britain would leave them with their Big Brother religion. That totalitarian state would attract tourists.
Nice video, could you do an alternate history of iran in which the zand dynasty takes over instead of qajar dynasty.
Perfect video brother
Alas, I can only like this video once. This made my day!
i like the video but i am not so happy with the format of the globe
I was trying to see how to use the map itself as a way of showing perspective. In this case, the view is one above France facing the British Isles, giving a POV of NATO. Had I made the view above, say, Scotland, it would have been from the POV of Oceania. In any case, thanks for the feedback
No its awesome dude if u don't like it leave a dislike thxx
Oceania being actually only contained to Airstrip 1 would be the most insane, yet strangely logical, plottwist ever.
I like how the uk is just there in some random ass islands while oceania exists
Ive always like the idea that even the book 1984 itself is skewed by oceanias misinformation and propaganda and oceania is really just the British isles
Alt. Version: Oceania takes Ireland. They dictate victory, but release news “Eurasia”(NATO) plans to invade Airstrip 1. The war goes differently with no Ireland and a better-prepared Oceania. They lose, but slower this time.
Really got me thinking. I’d also like to make my own fall of Oceania scenario (included with the fall of Eastasia and Eurasia too). Some time maybe by the 2050’s, 2040’s or 2060’s, resources eventually grow scarce between the empires due to constant warfare with one another, and fighting the wars becomes increasingly difficult as in the warzone the oppressed peoples being at the forefront of the violence establish their own states and societies, largely based off democracy. Ofc they’re initially weak but over they grow increasingly resilient to the empires and eventually able to ward them off. The downfall really kicks off when 2 Indian states encircle thousands of Eastasian and Eurasian troops in a battle titled “the siege of Mumbai,” in which the battle would take months on end, however eventually the troops trapped within the city would be forced to surrender and would send shockwaves across the globe. It would be the straw that broke the camel’s back for Eastasia, which at this point was a shell of what it once was. Eastasia, despite being ideologically identical to the other 2 powers would be much poorer and far more unstable, and would really only get worse as years went. Eventually after the battle of Mumbai, the information about the democratic Indian states and their resounding victory in Mumbai would contribute to inspiring an uprising in Tokyo, which would lead to a Japanese war for independence against Eastasia. Protests and rebellions across Eastasia would plunge it into another warlord era, which would ultimately result in Eastasia fracturing into dozens of states. Eurasia and Oceania would secretly try keeping Eastasia together but they’d face their own problems. For too long Ukrainians in Eurasia have been treated like absolute garbage. Eurasia’s grip on power over it’s population would loosen after generations of new leaders and party infighting, before Ukrainian insurgents which had been secretly fighting in Eurasia for years would start a rebellion in Ukraine, while SSR’s such as the German and French ones would declare independence. Rebellions, Successions, and war would kill Eurasia. Oceania after the death of big brother (who was earl browder, leader of the American communist party, in this timeline), would go through generations of new leaders and party infighting would result into the regions of Oceania succeeding, such as Brazil, which would be followed by most nations in South America . In Oceania, the empire is controlled by amsoc, ingsoc is the British subsidiary to the party, there’s things such as brazsoc, cubsoc, Perusoc or whatever. Africans in Oceania’s South Africa command would rebel, while the various regions of Oceania would succeed. Oceania would try and fail to use force to keep the regions under their control, however by around the 2090’s, none of this would matter as the malevolent authoritarianism of these powers would phased out for benevolent anarchism. The empires would have collapsed. By around the 2120’s authoritarianism would become a thing of the past.
Hey does anyone know what happened to the alternative British empire video?
Unlisted it as I don't want that garbage ideology on my channel.
Here's the unlisted link if you want it: ruclips.net/video/HjFJfEcla2c/видео.html
Kinda funny to think it wasn't some kind of massive world war against the major world powers but it was just the irish lmao
I love this you are so unique
that eas a good video props to you m8
0:06 music background name?
Oh, and don't forget a new alternate scenario where NATO would invade Panem in an alternate timeline where the Second Rebellion failed. The US government in exile would retake what's lost from the Capitol. Can you do it?
Didn't the rest of the world get destroyed in an apocalyptic disaster leaving north america left alone
@@levthemapperxd Can we just try it?
@@matthewjabeznazario8769 but why why would you do that
Here’s what I think:
The US government should be in exile in Alaska.
I think NATO should only be the UK and France.
@@pennsylvanianjason1333 While Panem would soon fall under NATO and US government's hands?