Tesla bifilar coil Overunity Effect
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
- Power in,and dissipated power,measured in a series circuit.
We measure the total power in,by way of ohms law.
Then we measure the power dissipated by each component,in a series fashion,but ohms law seems to fail.
Replace one of the series coils with a series capacitor for bigger thrills. Then remove the resistors and tune the circuit to resonance - the "power" in the inductor will try to go to infinity as will the "power" in the capacitor, and the voltage across each. I used to create thousands of volts and hundreds of amperes this way. Your "power" calculations will go into megawatts with very little heat if you use large enough wire. Add a spark gap across the coil and change your name to Tesla.
A few notes on these measurements:
1: In most cases a function generator will have its ground connection, connected to earth, as will the scope. If this is the case, then whenever you move the ground connection closer to your positive function-generator-probe, the more amps you'll measure.
2: connecting your probes across the resistor inside the magnetic field of the coil, might in fact function as a single winding, which can either add, or subtract up to the equivalent of one turn of voltage (this'll obviously be decreased by the resistor, but it might not be negligible regardless).
3: The resistors can have a fair amount of difference. It'd be a good idea to measure them out of circuit, and find two that are very similar, and use those - or at least use the measured values for calculations.
These's likely also more AC-things to consider, other than this, but these are not yet my strong-suit
In order to calculate the power really dissipated in an AC system you should take phase shifts into account. That is the power factor issue that rwg points out in his comment. Your calculation would have been right in a DC context, but this is not the case when voltage and current are not in phase. In this case you should sum up the time series of all of the ( i . u ) factors. I appreciate your videos that I always find an interesting food for thought.
Ohm met Mr. Tesla and he received a punch in the beard, because Ohm he still has a lot to learn.And Lenz.
Reactance, admittance, susceptance make ac circuits interesting. Also, consider that each oscilloscope probe has a grounded shield reference so is doing single-ended rather than differential measurements. The oscilloscope performs voltage measurements only. As some have pointed out here, reactive components shift the phase of the voltage versus the current depending on whether a coil or a capacitor.
Is your oscilloscope able to do probe 1 minus probe 2--is that what you are using?
It would be interesting to have a dedicated oscilloscope channel and display trace for each node so that the waveform for each node could be phase compared to one another?
Electrical networks can be analyzed by complex number equations. The complex numbers can be placed into a matrix. The matrix can be converted back into real numbers for easier computations in computers.
I had a book that explained how this was done that was entitled "Pascal programs for scientists and engineers" by Allen R Miller (1942-2010 an American mathematician) published by Sybex Books in the very early 1980s. It basically converted to real numbers via complex conjugates, but this made the equations (matrix used) double in length and width, but this is no obstacle to a computer with sufficient memory to hold the information, etc.
The main complication for me at the time was deciding how a network component would be entered into the complex number matrix--the modeling. As a student at the time, I kept having to decide to convert or not the component into its Norton or Thevinin equivalent--and making mistakes at every step of the process.
A Tesla pancake coil was partly known by me back then, but I never knew the circuit model for it. I never progressed in electrical engineering in that area to be able to model distributed inductance and capacitance based on the physics of the materials used. This would involve permittivity, conductivity, emissivity and words of that nature for each of the conductors, insulators / sheathing, etc, and particularly the geometries / layouts used. Part of this would be the nature of the conductor--solid or stranded wire, consistent or irregular wire diameter, etc.
Ohm's Law applies in DC circuits. In AC circuits, you must:
1) use RMS (root-mean-square) voltage and current values
2) use impedance (XL, inductive reactance, and XC, capacitive reactance) and resistance instead of simply R (because the impedance introduced by an alternating current in capacitors and inductors varies, depending on frequency of the AC)
3) use a power factor for the phase angle difference between current and voltage
If you're arriving at 'over-unity' in an AC circuit without considering these issues, and simply applying Ohm's Law used in DC circuits, it's definitely worth looking up those things online.
One example of an oddity is a series-resonant LC circuit. Tesla referred to "resistive only" in his bifilar coil patent. This occurs at the resonant frequency of the LC circuit (only), because XL and XC cancel each other. Series-resonant circuits and bifilar coils are not uncommon, but applying Ohm's Law to AC circuits is uncommon. You'll be a lot more confident about your findings if you know AC, RMS, phase angles, etc.
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Please read the comments about phase & power factor. Always make differential measurements with two probes. Never connect scope ground to anywhere other than the reference ground of the circuit.
The cold energy induced into a bifilar coil and the potentials as Tesla envisioned when reabsorbed and inverted the volume can be looped to produce the over unity I believe he used to power his electric PaceArrow. Why else did it have have a radiator cooling system? He didn't use a DC motor in his car because he was an AC man and to run AC motors the cold potential must be inverted from a storage capacitance.
Each 100ohm resister can be +/- 10%. Also, the coils will pick up power from the fluorescent lights in the room and test equipment..
current is the same in series. When calculating power with AC you have to account for phase. You cant just use formulas meant for direct current to calculate power consumption for circuits using alternating current. I x V = P only applies to direct current.
agree. sorta. this would appear to be dc, oscillating at uhf frequencies.
just Silly. there is no ou in rf-oscillation rates. there is no ou in
coils, transformers, pulse motors or back-emf. if there were, Someone
would have succeeded, by now. cheers
@@daviddavids2884 youre right. after rewatching the video (well skimming it lol but i get the idea). he's just pulsing dc. I was mistaken.
Its frustrating seeing videos like these. In this particular case, i dont believe this guy is a scammer but just doesnt understand how to do a proper analysis of the circuit and the math to see that he's not achieving ou. But most times theyre just lying assholes looking for donations or views. it drives me nuts.
@@daviddavids2884 I have a physics and EE background (college and career) and I wish I could save folks the time and anguish of pursuing 'free energy' from common circuits.
You need a catalyst to get an above-unity benefit. For example, if you have a radioactive material that provides a source of energy, you can do the following:
1) start with an old-time crystal radio set - they did not require any power source (they were popularized in the first years of the 1900s)
2) add some radium to some mercury vacuum tube amplifiers to provide conditions that will initiate a tiny plasma in the tube
3) add a bank of capacitors
4) tune the crystal radio to a known-good local radio station that has good reception in your area
5) wait for an hour, thereabouts
The incoming radio wave will be received in the crystal radio section and used as input to the vacuum tubes. The amplification will be extremely small at first but with a positive feedback loop, the tubes will keep increasing their output over the hour and you can charge the capacitor bank. BAM, you used a radioactive catalyst (the radium) and you used no batteries or input power and you have a fully charged capacitor bank. If you are judicious and do not bleed the capacitor bank dry too quickly, you'll have a source of free energy that replenishes itself (unless that radio station goes offline!)
The catalyst was needed - the radium 'got the ball rolling' with the "cold cathode" vacuum tubes you'd use in this case. "Hot cathode" vacuum tube amplifiers would have required at least a battery to get the tube to start working. The radioactive source - the radium - provided the initial spike to get the tube working.
The above device is the basic design of T. Henry Moray's "free energy" system. You cannot easily buy radium these days is one issue.
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though ALL due respect TINMan need to pay more attention to AC- DC laws and virtual effects
werent these coils ment or HF and possible tunes to the RIght requency!?
This is measurement error. R1 was in series during the first measurement, and not in series with the subsequent measurements. Also, the 'scope is not that accurate of a device for this kind of measurement (but still needed to verify wave shape)-- anything more than 2 significant digits is not real data. Also, the magnetic coupling of the 2 segments of the bifilar wound inductor is not taken into consideration.
This coil is not a "free energy device", and has no magic properties, other than what Tesla stated in his patent-- it increases the capacitance between the windings so that a smaller external capacitor can be used to get it to resonate at the right frequency-- and this saves money over a larger capacitor with a conventional coil winding.
Your diagram does not match your build. The coils share mutual inductance and capacitance, not just a single wire series connection through R2. Both the active components are field effects, which while they operate, invalidate Kirchoff's law. The voltages will be dependent on which direction you measure the voltages and can instantaneously have multiple values (reality bites sometimes). B
Just something to think about a bi filer coil is a capacitor In the Reference point of the magnetic Field
Beat lenzlaw and you can do everything......
I like your videos thanks for all you do and for
Your time that you spends for us to teach us
Dude, that's AC power and you have inductors. "ohms law seems to fail"? Sure, because you are using the DC version, of it.
Yes sir, you he man for lift.thank you for Sharing how its done. Nice work and understanding.
when you use AC the coils do not behave as normal DC resisors
retry your experiment using a battery
I sent this a transformer, we need currant and voltage measurements, also bifiler pancake coil has lots of capacitance, we need that measurment. Nice to see ppl looking at these things 😂
That's not how the real voltage is measured! The probe of the oscilloscope and minus represent part of the inductive loop which is under the influence of the magnetic field of the coil.
Truly, to format a video like this, one should show the isolated/non-isolated power circuit explained for an over unity video.
However, the AC might be DC induced because he does not have a short with a proper diode preventing the DC energy from reflecting and becoming resonant AC as shown. There was likely nothing special about his power supply. The coils in that form can demonstrate higher watts draw than the total circuit, but it cant tap it usably because it's simply demonstrational in scope.
did you take account of cos(phi) in power formula?
Hello. Really good work here. Thanks for all of it. Did you ever ramp up in power to see what happens, something more substantial than lighting up an LED?! I saw you had messed around with the induction cooker and the Tesla bifilar pancake coil. We're you able to obtain any numbers near overunity? I think with an oscilloscope you can get accurate voltage and current readings no? So I wondered if you had taken any readings while messing about with the induction cooker? I don't have an oscilloscope but I do have an induction cooker and a bifilar pancake coil. Any suggestions in other method(s) of getting accurate voltage and current readings of the outputs? Thanks!
some late info. it is not clear how input energy was calculated/estimated.
if it is there, kindly point me to it. without assuming that all measured
values are correct, it should be understood that energy dissipated in a
circuit is Not the same as Usable energy, coming Out of a circuit.
in you are still interested in ou, you are invited to review my research.
cheers
Tesla talked about raising voltage in coils by layering a second winding between turns of the first winding, I forget the factor of increase but he mentions it in his patent, you can probably compute from your measurements. The different currents you measure is probably from the different voltages, with the layererd-in winding you should have a higher voltage than you input. Again, is in the patent.
The very one he's showing you, sorry I don't recall the number, it's been years. And incidentally it works on bifilar coils too, not just pancake coils.
tin man. you must understand power factor when using AC. real power must be calculated. voltage and current will lie to you. remember the rodin coil testing? you need a true watt meter. that dose power factor calculations. with out doing this you will not learn what is really going on. As you know. I have alot of respect for you. so do take this as positive criticism. :) much love. ~Russ
Looks like you learned how to spell does in Austrailian?
zebok3 I did not learn how to spell. there for if you can get what I'm saying then we are good. ;) ~Russ
He can measure the "Magnetic Flux" from the center tap to the ends and from end to end, then calculate the electrical power.
zebok3 did you watch that video. ? I haven't checked the comments over there yet. ~Russ
Tinman presents a solid case for OU.
would be nice to take into account the Inductive Impedance [ XL=2*3.14 * f * L ] on that frequency that you're feeding into this circuit, which is also measured in ohms :-).
Thanks.
Try and measure the coils for negative inductance.
Over 100% is creation (godlike). I was a researcher for new energy myself. I'm not very famous yet. But I'm the best in this field. Long story short, it doesn't work. Bedini himself said that it's more about what the spike does to the battery than the machine itself. But that's called chemical reaction. It's not over-unity or energy from the vacuum.
ohms law never 'fails'. If it did it wouldnt be law, would it?
Is your scope ground floating with respect to the circuit?
Do you have an inductance meter?
Seems like you're thinking out loud. Please try to sum it up a bit quicker. I enjoyed your video though. Thank you.
To measure power, could one use a extension cord with 2 sockets for signal generator and oscilloscope?
Plug that extension plug into a digital power meter, for example a Kill-a-watt.
Do this for both,
Sig gen + scope,
Sig gen + scope + coil.
Then subtract the values.
Could coil power be measured this way?
Thanks for sharing your experiments! =)
You may need to measure through diodes.
I agree, or an rf style swr.
Can you rewind this coil with a much larger inner diameter (about 6 inches) and see if the results improve? I have played around a bit with bifilar coils and this seems to be the case but I never could understand how to test it like you are doing here Mr Tinman. Anyway I appreciate your videos as I have learned much.
...ad coil reactance R and re-calculate.....
could it be a standing wave? maybe the length of wire is related to freq and peaks/lows occur?
Negative Henries will accuratly measure the magnetic flux in the coils and factor into real power without the complex RMS math.
Where's the RMS with DC?
Use kichov's law for dissipation.
POCCC!
good experiment
I think I might understand why this is happening. the current can be compressed and expanded in certain parts of the circuit in other words sometimes you can measure a higher current in one spot and a lower current in a different spot of the circuit which means the overall current of the circuit is the same. kind of like a hose when your watering the garden and you get a kink in the hose the pressure behind the kink is higher the pressure in front of the kink is lower when you add them together you get the same over all pressure as when the hose is flowing. I have done some amazing work with these coils check out some of my videos. ruclips.net/video/Qzmbe_gDPEU/видео.html
Hi hi :D
I'm working on the standing wave theory, I think tho what you said is similar to that but said in a different way, key for me is dual wire = transmission line effect or inversion of etc, as f rises the wave rate is rising in relation to the line lengths. There should be nodes and harmonics where the system is more optimal.
@@kolinevans9127 That was just a guess. I might be wrong. It's hard to tell when the voltage and current is changing inside the coil. still my favourite component but
Nice find! Russ mentioned an interesting subject about power factor. What I've noticed is that these coils tend to have a preference to current in one direction even with AC. Under load the directional force can change which effects power factor meter readings. So power factor is AC leaning one way or the other of base line. I question whether power factor correction can accurately predict power dissipated in an unbalanced condition. Can this be seen with two center resistors in Y configuration to ground or center choke and two caps to hold base line?
Regarding this, "AC leaning:" the "input" consists of two wires and only one is measured and it has a test resister in its path. Why, if I were an AC signal then I would be inclined to lean towards the side of least resistance--the red wire--if this makes any sense.
The "output" is configured a bit differently with the resistor, or resistor+LED, centered between the probes, (instead of down one leg as with the input.) So, both sides are represented with the output measurement.
Try placing another 100 Ohm resistor on the red input line. This may balance out any AC leaning or, at the very least, allow for measurement on both input lines to test for this leaning, perhaps.
"No, the extra resistor blocks the free energy pixies!" Okay, a little math is necessary to measure current, but would two 50 Ohm resisters preclude any potential whining?
very inteersting but there is a phase shifting?
you made a mistake. Coil1 dissipation is 36.86 and not 36.84 so coil1+coil2=61.15+36.86=98.01 !
I believe that you neglected capacity of your bifold coil
Is your signal generator not connected to ground or is it completely floating? Why are you operating it at 2.696 MHz?
These are two key questions, well put Elmer. If the results vary at different frequencies then it means the stray capacitances can't be ignored as there are resonances (and large phase shifts) occurring which invalidate the power measurements by voltage across the inductors. And if the sig gen has one side grounded and the scope has one side grounded then measuring across R2 with the scope puts a second ground to the circuit and so changes the circuit completely. Please consider these points Tin Man before making claims about OU, I do hope you can achieve it but these issues leave some room for questions as I hope you will agree! But that's an interesting demo anyway, thanks.
Is this gentleman a confused knowledgeable person or simply non-knowledgeable guy who is doing his best?
What's COP?
Your bifilar is not really correct use the Opposite of the second coil to beat lenzlaw
how can you have different current ( Amps) calculations on a series circuit? you ignored the impedance of the coil. there are some discrepancies in your calculations mate.. good work though..
Both coils cannot be identical, due to the geometric setup they are in.
I'm afraid TinManPower got his calculations wrong. In AC there are three factors of impedance capacitive reactance , inductive reactance and resistance . Resistance of the resistor is based on its specification sheet however there are resistors keeping its resistance in wide range of frequencies. We have no OU here and unfortunately OU does not exists. Violation of laws of thermodynamics is simply never found and was never present in any form. OU is just nice dream for many. WE use term FE Free Energy that is real it exists and it is found in nature as a form of energy conversion that does not cost us any money to use it.
If something looks like OU for you , it is your lack of understanding of how it works.
Even if you have free lunch in nice restaurant it will be just conversion of someone money, attention, resources and willingness for you to have it for free, and this is your Free Energy not OU.
Well...with the exemption of the fact that FE we are interested with is the energy that is free from all of these factors from above.
Wesley
Sonoluminesence violates thermodynamics, as do many other obscure phenomena. But you are correct about power factor.
Over Unity is a mix of several forms of energy together, if we are using electrical energy to alter another source of energy like magnetic field of a magnet to produce extra energy produced by a mechanical, electrical, or magnetic system is called O.U. What I mean is we are using several forms of Natural Energy to Convert it into other forms of energy, so no Physical Laws are broken. Nicola Tesla Resonated Earth Magnetic Field to Get Unlimited KW of Electricity he gave in little to get out more than he put by altering another form of energy which is in this case the gravitational force. Inventors do not think traditionally that's why people reject any strange idea.
The Earth is a big ou machine, still spinng after all these years, that's a lot of power coming from somewhere. We should be able to tap in to it.
interesting, very interesting
and maybe even useful :)
calculate the current in twice in series circuit!!! I wonder if you know basics of electricity !!!you
Put me to sleep in 3 minutes
I never saw a reason or use to build a so called 'pancake' coil but then i hit my head on the kitchen overhead cabinet in a very similar way to the events that occurred in the novel by Philip K dick called - "A Scanner Darkly"
www.goodreads.com/quotes/7200297-but-then-one-day-while-lifting-out-an-electric-corn
After hitting my head it all became clear so now i want to build one of these coils because i understand exactly how it functions now. (basically i can see the field in real time it's almost kind of like a hologram now)
and of course it relates to offsetting counter spacial divergences.
how these events differed and are similar from the novel is that like the novel that aspect is fictional and i don't have a wife to leave however what is not fictional is the fact that i understand it now.
i believe some of this information was hinted at me by aliens, the type that walk though your walls at about 3 am in the morning.
but if it was that's between me them and the translucent walls at 3am i expect.
i think the radio gave me hints - it's either that or i am most certainly what humans call schizophrenic I've weighed it up and figured it's a pretty good payoff - if i'm schizophrenic at least i was able to show myself how a lot of this retro technology works.
this is truly an amazing an wonderful planet (with or without 'free energy' ) i don't fully understand why so many people seem so unhappy i expect a lot of it has to do with the differing aspects of wide range of variant individuals and their own desires and outcomes.
i'll leave you with this last thought - i hang my thick 'white' furry type socks out on the back clothes line - i often leave them there for days - i went out and a whole family of lady beetles had nested in on there was at least 10 or 15 and i kept finding them because i wanted to wash those socks so i had to keep walking outside and setting them free. i saved them all i believe.
i put some on the flowers and some on the grass all different places they really didn't want to leave that sock, i expect it was nice and comfy - but as it was in the washer when i spotted the last guy the water was rising the clock was ticking in that sense most certainly.
wow what is this insane ranting? - anyhow great video - looks interesting. - glad everything is ok
Just revisiting this :'D
Putting it less politely - go back to school!!!
Inductors and capacitors do not dissipate power!
disagree. they have Resistance and/or Impedance. not that it matters.
Lascia perdere...................LOL.
This was a bit slow and scattered. All in all, no one cares about RMS or KWh, what is desired is application results. Look! It can run a toaster! Here it is running my Home Theater! I disconnected my Fridge from the grid! Those things matter. But this presentation does not propel one to that point. Watching a pen pointing to a schematic that was not complete and doing measurements here and there is not exciting nor informative. Loved your scope though!
agree. sorta. overunity is More Watts out, than went in.
those output watts Must be shown, via Correctly made
METER READINGS. NOT by lighting lights, etc. if
interested, see my ou research. cheers
No. Cannot agree at all with "no measurement" and credit the author for trying. Correct measurement and use of the oscilloscope will determine what is going on with pulsed DC but it needs to be resonant to jump to the next level