New "Windows 365" Cloud PCs - Testing & Benchmarks
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- Опубликовано: 4 авг 2024
- The latest cloud service from Microsoft is Windows PCs themselves 🤔
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0:00 - Intro
0:51 - Plans & Pricing
3:10 - Setup Process
4:14 - Testing Basic PC
7:26 - Testing Premium PC
8:48 - Gaming Test
10:04 - Streaming from iPhone
10:34 - What's the Point?
13:02 - For Regular Uses
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“I want to play Call of duty modern warfare on pc!”
Windows:Windows Error:The application you’re trying to download exceeds main storage.
It doesn't even have graphics card
will it be able to run Phoenix OS X86 android>??on pc
You should try Shadow.
@@jeffreydurham2566 yeah it's amazing. I use it all the time
it won't run anyways, coz it doesn't have any gpu and it uses microsoft basic display adapter, which can't even run gta vice city properly lmao
So we have come full circle back to mainframes and terminals?
Yes, but this concept has always existed, look up "thin client". It's basically the modernish equivalent of the terminal
its stupid
I believe that companies like the idea of having all people's data in their server and I also believe that the world is evolving in a sort of communism 2.0, they want you to own nothing and at the same time they want you to rent anything. They don't call it "communism" because people could get scared, they call it "neoliberalism" which substantially is the same thing: a small elite controls everything, no more small and average companies, only big corporations controlled by a bunch of "philanthropists".
Yes. For the second time, really. Thin client computing around 2000 and traditional mainframe around 1980. Starting to look like a 20 year cycle from centralized to distributed and back again.
That 2.4 fps looks so smooth
Probably you need 256 CPUs to run 60 fps 😂😂😂😂
@@_BWKC probably 😂
Low framerates look smooth as long as they are constant. Thats why alot of people cap their framerate to what their machine can consistently handle.
@@KatyaAbc575 not 2.4 fps
will it be able to run Phoenix OS X86 android>??on pc
9:27 Is it really Frames Per Second at that point or is it Seconds Per Frame 😂
Wow hilarious
Obviously any good Trekkie is going to get the Enterprise account.
Scotty, increase warp speed to 4 frames per second!
Captain, she isn't built to go 4 frames. She can barely handle 2!
But, it's down there in the clouds ;)
Can't wait for them to release the surface 365.
I think it would be downloadable and available online
@@ankitchetri2968 🤣🤣
a cloud for 399 folks
The New Surface 365 with the following specs:
2GB Ram
a 3 year old ARM based CPU which now costs only £3.50 to manufacture on scale
40GB Flash memory non-replacable
no GPU
2 USB-A Ports
2 USB-C Ports
1 3.5mm Headphone Port
1 Keyboard connector
1 magnetic power connector
1080p touch display
A customised version of Windows 10 which connects to the Cloud Server via a 5G Sim Card via the Vodafone or T-Mobile network with a £30/Month subscription fee
Man i wish my Ram-storage ratio was this good, i have 8 gigs of ram and 512 gigs of storage, while the top tier cloud PC has 32 gigs of ram with the same storage
I have 8GB ram and 1120GB storage.
I have 8GB RAM, and 512GB storage. I thought that was normal .... guess I was wrong.
i have 8 gb ram and a 256 gb ssd
@@KatyaAbc575 it is normal. My 2014 shitty laptop had 4gb ram and 500gb storage.
mine is 24GB ram + 1.128TB ssd
I am an IT person and this is super useful in business since it is so much easier to administer computers and if an employee gets fired I can immediately cut off access. And as was mentioned in the video it is faster to set up with an image when you are dealing with many employees.
I work in the IT help desk so I don’t do much of the configuration/provisioning side of things but this would definitely help us solve a lot of the issues we’re currently facing. But the price-just not feasible.
please more details. I dont understand this high prices for such shitty specs. for "cutting access". many company do have sensitive data on clouds already and there you can just disable the account. and the laptop itself is not worth much without the acces to the cloud data. they could have downloading rights and not only read.but is this worth so much money per month?
with the cost of an annual subscription, one can build a powerful rig, and set it up to access over internet and also game, CAD renders and all....
And still microsoft Edge browsers censor many websites that Firefox and Opera dont. Really hate the forced updates from MS who literally take over your computer without permission engaging in cyber terrorism.
@@thebangkokconnection4080 yess and that constant popup over taskbar to pin edge, its more worse than adware
Or you could get VPSes from Hetzner. Infinitely better price to specs - less than $24 a month lands you at 8GB RAM and 4 vCores. They also come with Linux by default, allowing you to take better advantage of the available resources. Windows 365's price is not justifiable in any way.
I feel so stupid as someone who used computers for over 15 years, wow.
Why do you feel stupid?
@AI Master OK but why do you feel stupid? Just because you hadn't heard of cloud computing?
@AI Master I'm just trying to understand. The original commenter didn't exactly explain themselves very clearly. No need to be a dick about it. I try to put people's minds at ease if they don't know about certain advances in computing. It's such a wide field of knowledge, not everybody knows or needs to know everything... and that's perfectly fine.
@@FlyboyHelosim this is called sarcasm
@@SumriseHD Well if it's that then it was very badly executed.
Gonna get the 2GB Plan, gonna be able to be the next Ninja
Great Videos. Thank you so much for all of your hard work and the videos you've been putting out for years. They are all AWESOME! I really appreciate it.
If microsoft bundled this with a training platform l’d probably consider it
Yeah it's going to be a really good service if they add GPU option, because without it doesn't have that much value. Be able to work on Solidworks or Autocad or maybe train some DNN without investing thousands in PC's would be a really great deal.
We're right back to mainframes and terminals.
Good review Joe. I believe a good advantage is the internet connection speed. Cheers
Very interesting. Thanks for testing it for us all.
As someone hosting a work VM at home this would be awesome.
I really was excited about this Win365 thing, for my parents actually, since they don't buy into the idea of upgrading from a 12yr+ notebook. But man, pricing on this for what you get sucks the big one!
This thing isn't exactly new you could just sign them up to any Windows VPS near them
well, it was pointed a few times that this was meant for business, not personal use, so ofc we don't see this any good for the buck
I use it to unblock websites on school computer
The pricing is in-line with typical cloud VDI, actually cheaper than Amazon WorkSpaces. But, why the hell would you want your parents using this? These do not have hardware graphics acceleration (because GPU's are expensive, especially ones aimed at VDI), so anything they might do graphics/video wise, such as watching a RUclips video, is rough on cloud VDI unless you pay $700/m for one with GPU attached.
I have wanted someone to do this since the announcement, thank you for another fantastic, uber informative video. I have read one user talk about the machine being far more responsive the second day. I thought it might be a side effect of setup, kind of like Office on Demand, when you used it while installing.
This still seems to still be in infancy compared to the existing Amazon AWS or even their own Azure options. I'll go there for now if I need a remote desktop for work or gaming.
Superb explanation of this puzzling implementation.
very informative, thanks.
ooooohhh what a novel concept! a computer that access a central server for apps and data. Wow! dual core, 4 gigs ram 128 gigs HDD? Now thats a freaking upgrade!
are we going back to terminals?
what else Microsoft will sell? Access to a mainframe? ugh..
Well, MVS is a whole lot more stable, and doesn't collect and sell your personal info.
I mean, to be fair, who said this was supposed to be a new concept?
You could use it to link paging files I guess
Offering 2 gigs of ram should be a felony in its self 😂
How does Windows even run on 2GB RAM? When I boot up my PC, and instantly monitor task manager, its already at minimum 2,2GB.
That is HILARIOUS!!
@@KatyaAbc575 It also depends on what Windows OS you use. For example Windows XP used to run just fine on 512 MB which is 0.5 GB. And with that it could also run games at that time. On the other hand... when Vista came out first... CRASH. So it depends on what OS you use.
@@szymex8341 I was saying that it would be cheaper to just have a Windows XP virtual machine or on an old PC you may be having laying somewhere in the dust.
@@KatyaAbc575 It doesn't run. It crawls.
Something like this might be good for schools too. Kids could use computers they might already have at home and then the school could just supply a very basic one to kids who don't have one. This way, the virtual computers could be kept more easily up to date and hopefully more secure. Of course, there's the monthly cost per user to contend with. It might be cheaper to provide Chromebooks or something similar to students for a year, depending on what price tier the school needed to use.
"25 Minutes ago"
Perfect timing!
wtf... I just read this 25 min later
Basically they are just offering overpriced VPS, I've seen providers that offer the same performances for even less than a half of this price
On GCP, a E2 linux vm with 2 vcpu, 4 gb ram, 64 gb hdd cost 30 USD for running a month. In Windows cloud pc the same is for 28 USD/month. Pricing is reasonable.
@@anti-human88 umm there are sellers who offer 4 GB 2 VCPU Linux for 5$
the point of the basic vm is for data compliance where users need to keep work documents secure and not on their personal machines.
I have a theory that when internet becomes super reliable, cloud pc will be the norm. It benefits companies since they would be able to see whatever you do, which means data for them and also crack down on suspicious software or behaviour
THX A LOT
So thin client just expensive? Didn't Windows try something like this in the past and it failed?
1) As a student at university, it was quite helpful to remotely connect to a machine from both home and university and work on the same files. And when hopping public computer terminals at the university, there was no need to get to the same machine every time since your files are on the virtual machine anway. Probably not so much if you take your PC with you or your home PC is running while you are at university. (It was around 2001 and they had AIX machines connected via X forwarding via SSH, so no modern HTML5 RDP client...).
2) Maybe when you are doing stuff with big files in the cloud (e.g. move them from one cloud provider to another one) it may be useful to have a machine with really fast Internet connection and not the typical 2Mbit/s or less of upstream you have at home. But that would be only useful if you can have the machine for a shorter time than a month (you won't need it all the time), so probably fire one up on Azure or AWS is the better idea for that.
12:31 Yes a cloud PC will allow the company to buy cheap laptops with just the browser on (Chromebook) and not to worry to have to spend much on hardware when all they need is good connectivity and good software.
Also more secure and reliable since laptops and desktops can break. A VM is hard to break since it can move from host to host when needed.
@@FrederickMarcoux Exactly
Could a personal use for VM could eliminate the need for backup and or remote access packages to access your own machine at home ?
Do they have snapshot option on the virtual PC?
But what happens if you open the online vm thing inside of the online vm thing
Well. I love the idea, I would like the option for multiple monitors as I work on three normally. I don't like lugging my laptop to and from the office anyway.
I used a cloud PC from Paperspace to record footage for my game's trailer, as my PC couldn't record at 1080p 60fps
Pricing is same as AWS EC2, you can use it for running as a Web Server, configure websites.
I was just wondering, what exactly is windows 365
Maybe you could use it as a server as well. With that upload speed! But I'm guessing there would be cheaper and more adequate options to run a virtual private server.
Yeah or use Azure
I love your vids
well explained.
Hello Thio Joe. Quick question… How many of these DDR4 chips are made per year?? Is it even possible??
Are these cloud PC's HIPAA compliant? Can it be locked down so files cannot be transferred in or out of the windows instance?
I wonder if you can help and try running obs on this. Recording and streaming at the same time
Will you do a video about digital ocean?
It's not just about power. You use viral (and more so in this case, remote) computers for development purposes, testing tools and services, and remote software that can me accesses from anywhere. It's also good for certain software that's Windows only, when you're in a Mac, mobile device (smart phones and tablets), or Linux.
Windows 365 support virtualization ? VMware & virtualbox ?
I need to open a specific port on Windows 365 Cloud PC, So can anyone tell me how can I open a specific port?
Maybe Mac/Linux/Chrome OS users would find it useful if priced properly like included with M365 or something I would like that.
I think it's good for security. You can lock it down just to run the apps the company allows. It be good if it does snapshots where you can roll back a pc to the previous day in case it gets messed up by ransomware or that sort of thing. A lot of apps don't need much power.
What if you play cloud gaming on this cloud virtual PC
I would love to see in the future this working for playing vr pc games on the oculus naitive.
So can we use Windows 365 to install VMware of Virtualbox to run MacOS for ios programming?
The comment section today is more hilarious than the whole concept of Windows 365
I think you could change the geo location of the vm's so your responsetime would improve.
When you go to the Taskmanager and click on the storage you are able to see if it's a Harddrive or not
Is ms teams working with cam and mic?
I can see this being very useful for health care providers and their electronic medical records software. Also, work from home and BYOD (Bring Your Own Device). Sys Admins don't have to worry about updates or data loss.
This would really be great if monitors could do this alone with something like a G-Sync module and some USB ports. Wouldn't be hard to make.
Do W365 Cloud PCs have browser content redirection? How well does it work?
For businesses that need to worry about hardware costs and security, this is a great deal. We would have sales people who "need" a portable tablet that costs $1500 only to leave the company 3 months later. Instead of buying a tablet that will just sit around becoming obsolete, we can buy them a cheap Chromebook and manage this remotely. If the employee leaves, we decommission the license and re-issue the hardware to nearly anyone and save a pretty good chunk of the cost. With the Enterprise tier, we can also use the device management to help secure it. It's extremely painful to properly secure an on-prem PC for remote workers these days when all of your resources are on-prem. The stuff people click on and fall for is insane...
This would be good for a user who temporarily needs good hardware or a portable workstation that is not practical for a usual portable device like a laptop or something. But still, with those prices, a VPS from some hosting company is way better both in terms of hardware, latency, and pricing.
The top bar you showed for the actual PC application for this had the exact same top bar as Windows Virtual PC from 2009
Hey, this top bar is not made especially for this new windows 365. The top bar is from formally windows remote desktop access that we have been using for years and works perfectly.
wait can we run windows 365 on raspberry pi ? or small and cheap pc similar to raspberry pi
What kind of commitment is it? Month by month? Annual? If you unsubscribe for a couple of months would you have to start again, or would they stored your PC for an amount of time?
Is it possible that proprietary Enterprise apps (if hosted no Azure) would be much faster on a cloud pc? btw, would love to see a demo using the MS remote app on a newish Samsung Galaxy Android device attached to a monitor. I could see Microsoft launching a Chromecast-like device to make the client computer unnecessary (big maybe).
Allows business or enterprises without worrying about managing on premise servers and workstations as much. Employees can work in the office on whatever they have to connect to the platform and then head into the field on an iPad or connect in from a personal laptop from home and get the same experience.
iT can preconfigure the virtual machines with policies and all the apps needed for people to be productive
How is it different from Azure Virtual Desktop ?
Hi, thanks for he vid, could you please test Teams desktop client with a W365 session. Thanks!
Do these virtual machines come with MS Office, Adobe suite, anything or is it just bare bones windows 10?
Can i run Nicehash on them? lol
I love the Microsoft basic display adapter the beauty of core clock: 0 MHz + memory clock: 0 MHz + 0 MB of VRAM
This is probably implemented as a VDI/VMWare machine to the user where the backend allocates RAM and storage from a 1-3 TB pool for RAM and a few petabytes storage array.
My thoughts exactly.
But does the cloud VM work with windows 11?
I got an Insider Preview email about this about like 3 weeks ago 😂🤣
I think its very usefull for businesses with a BYOD (bring your own device) policy, especially when working from home. It may be very important or even required by privacy law to have NO corporate data on a computer owned and controlled by an employee. There may be liability conflicts if your PC gets stolen or hacked. Imagine your corporation requesting administrator access to your PC to enforce some security standard ... but it was you who paid for the device!
A cloud PC is an elegant solution to problems like that.
Also if you use your own device at home and it's nog portable, at the office you might use a different device. In that case accessing the same virtual computer from different devices isn't a bad use case.
You sir make a ton of sense .
$24/month for 2GB RAM and a 1-core CPU VM and _no GPU?_ *Who is this for?* I honestly can't imagine a company paying for their employees to have the worst computing experience possible. A Raspberry Pi would be a better workstation, for the money.
Lots of uses in business, call centre staff, single LOB apps, light email and browsing. It's all about management in business being able to control the system en mass and remotely with excellent security.
@@bwadley75655 Maybe. But that's way overpaying for less.
@@szymex8341 Agreed. That's a way more reasonable solution, and you only have to build it once.
@@szymex8341 you are missing the point. This isnt a popular option for people or majority of business to choose.
Imagine your company contracts 50 people for a project for 3 months. After that 3 months they decide to keep everyone and contract 30 more for another 3 months. Project starts to slow done, they let 30 contractors go. Rinse and repeat.
This is all a couple clicks on the management side of things where the contractors can just sign in to an office account and get a full corporate windows/Microsoft setup that fits in with the rest of the company. Scaling up and down is hugely important. You cant just buy 30 servers, return 5 servers, then buy more all in a year or two. It’s a vdi solution that is easier to implement and maintain.
There are other cheaper solutions, yes. Microsoft price this according to its other offerings and compared to other major cloud platforms.Companies will still purchase these licenses
@@feola69 Well except that you don't have to be constantly buying and returning servers, you can just set up your own VM management. Windows 365 also runs on servers.
Does WSL2 work the same in this cloud offering as a standalone install?
Probably, but at that point you might as well run Linux itself in a cloud VM or VPS.
Hallo. Im back! Whatever this is kinda nice to have.✌
Did you try to delete the System32 folder?
Would be useful for any businesses that make heavy use of VDI stuff.
Can u format and install linux on it?
The 2 Fps is so funny 😂
I'd be curious to know what the business case for these would look like. I can't see how these would be a cost benefit for any business.
can you do a video about ghost spectre(windows 10 lite), maybe you can dig more about it..
CAN u do a clip on wise care 365 vs ccleaner vs advance system care
This would be useful on schools where there are computer rooms or libraries with those.
Compared to VM Ware Horizon it might be a deal. Just finished a proof of concept at work to evaluate this. Performance was quite good, but got stuck with peripheral support.
can you play steam games on the windows pc cloud?
As a curiosity, I wonder what would happen if you installed cracked software/pirated software onto Microsoft 365? Are you even able to pass the installation checks? Run a keygen live on 365?
Since they are already offering an option for Microsoft 365 for Businesses, I wonder why a "Basic" Office 365 subscription is not included with just Word, Excel and Powerpoint? And why the available storage for the thing (excluding the windows install) is not a Onedrive account for the 365 user (ie if it says max storage of 64gb, then that should be the Onedrive max capacity for that specific user).
That way, externally, you are just able to access the onedrive of the Microsft 365 account/user to access "local files"
I use multiple computers and always have to sync files between them to get everything done. Plus having to install 5 or 6 versions of the same app over multiple devices is a hassle. This would make that better if it had about 50x the power. As a creative person who games and plays VR I have to constantly use external drives and equipment to switch computers. Far from seamless. This would fix my storage issues and file system conflicts with having everything in 1 centralized vm that I can connect ANY computer yo
totally confused at what this is compared to Azure Virtual Desktop and they don't list any non profit pricing.
How we can transfer audio from remote desktop virtual pc to real world computer
can i install winxp in that 2gb ram setup?
Can you host servers on them?
One question, will it BSOD??
Cool use case for companies or schools would be if you all had chrome books but a few specific people might need windows for certain programs or something
This sounds like a great idea for although I do see some downsides in latency & price
My company has about 2,000 laptops/desktops each cost on average $1,000
2,000 devices X $1,000 = $2,000,000 in upfront cost plus hidden cost such as setting up devices, updating software & OS, device issues
2,000 X $41 a month (close to spec price 8GB of RAM & 120 GB of storage)
= $82,000 per month X 12 months = $984,000 a year x 4 Years (which is the average lifespan of a laptop)
$3,936,000
inconclusion is a stuff sale