@@steverodgers4662 This is true, and I do prefer karate style punches myself. This is why I like styles that utilize the same techniques mixed with rough conditioning (ie. Kyokushin karate)
Thank you for posting, beautiful true Karate. What a wonderful atmosphere. There is so much McDojo videos out there so it's a relief to see some real true Karate. Couple of familiar faces out there.
I am a fan of this type of sparring. These guys show skill. But boxing techniques blended thoughtfully into this would greatly improve it. Chin down, high guard. Don’t understand why this hasn’t evolved to that.
Suspect because when a successful strike has happened that is the end of the bout - so any strike to the lower body means stop and restart. Probably easier to reach the lower bits with the feet etc. So less emphasis on defending the head.
@nerfnerfification This is similar to old school bare knuckle boxing stance. If you close the distance and give them boxing gloves, everything changes.
Great skill but I'm a little disappointed. With a title like masters camp I was hoping to see more dojo or free sparring rather than point sparring. Truly test master versus master technique instead of sport karate.
Kyokushin fighters and Kudo fights are more realistic. The Kudo and Kyokushin fighters are also highly conditioned to continuous fighting. Can't see these guys applying all those unrealistic shotokan techniques they so religiously practice.
There is so much more to Shotokan than you realize. All of the techniques that we practice so strictly is to get our body conditioned to the movement so that when you need to use it, it can come out much more freely and loosely. Also, a true martial artist isn't married to only one form, though there is one that is the root form.
@@kristysonberg4235 "Each one with his own medicine". I practised Shotokan from the age of 11 until I was 18 years old. It was the more common and accessible martial art. I observed that I was having significant problems with the techniques when sparing. They did not come natural and I felt that most of them were unrealistic.I observed 3rd dan and 5th dan black belts sparring and realised that they were also struggling. In my experience, Shotokan was my base for building my mental discipline and strength since I started when I was a kid. My experience taught me that as a tool for self defence, it is unrealistic since most of the techniques are based on punches from the hips(no one punches like that in the streets), punches are left hanging in the air after the event, very low stances rendering swift movements and kicks difficult. All this accounts for very bad practises since actual fighting is fluid. Therefore I found myself training in a way that did not reflect the way people fight. The best martial arts train you the same way you will be fighting. Movements are supposed to be natural. As an example, the western boxing jab is a very natural movement.It is efficient and effortlessly delivered. That is the way techniques of a fighting art are supposed to be delivered once mastered.Try as you might, day after day, most Shotokan techniques can only be applied on a static opponent or in a controlled environment for demonstration . I therefore find most Okinawan Karate (root of Shotokan) and Kudo, with its short form blocks, high stances and "western boxing punches" very fluid and effective. You actually train the way you will fight. Fighting becomes intuitive like walking. When walking you do not need to remember which leg should come up. The correct leg simply comes up because that has been your conditioning to walking since childhood. No proxy is used for training to walk. You simply walk every day.Same with fighting techniques. If techniques are counter intuitive to natural movements chances are that it will be very difficult and inefficient to apply in a fluid and dynamic environment presented by a fight.Good luck on your journey. Ous.
Hahaha this is mearly point sparing it creates a reluctance to attack because they dont want to give up a point on the counter attack... free fighting is where its at.... dont belive the kyokoshin is all every one spouts it to be as a rule their defence is utter crap.. having trained both shotokan 1dan and kyokoshin (never graded by choice) im verced in both styles combined togeather they offer a great versatility that neithe on their own could teach.
Thanks for watching! This was in June 2011 at Camp Green Lane near Philadelphia. Here’s a link from the 2019 camp. iskf.com/53rd-annual-iskf-master-camp-intl-goodwill-tournament-camp-green-lane-pa-june-7-14-2019/
2:49 No reniego hacia el Karate inclusivo pero el Karateca sordo debería usar audífonos, y si escucha bien debe repetir mil veces seguidas el Dojo Kun.
Very strange that this "type" of Karate never really establisched itself in the US like in Europe. But these guys are good..Very good control...Lack of foot technics though But nice Ura Mawashi attempt at 08:44
It was all the rage in USA in the 70s. That is what Chuck Norris, Joe Louis and a few notables are famous for. They were point Karate champions.😂😂😂 For this reason Bruce Lee never took part because he found this not realistic enough.
2:48 typical big guy vs small guy playout. doesn't matter what you throw, the big guy just steam rolls forward. any fellow karate-ka care to comment on their approach to dealing with these situations better than this small guy does? my suggestion would be to cut angles better
Yes. I saw opportunities for spinning back kick. Big guy is bearing down on you let him. Spinning back kick just as he is fully committed to his attack. Outside of that you must keep adjusting your angles. Get off the train track!
Always the same comments ..in Karate you for the great majority of time, train to fight;not fight to train,there's a difference..if you want to see fighting,watch ufc. Or an alternative
this is not full contact karate and scoring is different from full contact. Stupid if you are not in to it. Even MMA has rules..... in a real fight then that is a different story. Every contact sport has rules because if there are no rules then it's not a sports.
That’s SOLID! Real Shotokan like I remember from back in the day!
Is shotokan better to learn than boxing? Boxing is only punches and shotokan u kick punch and throw sometimes no?
@@steverodgers4662 More diverse movement for sure. But you learn how to take more of a beating at boxing.
@@Rurouni_Seiryu this is true and not enough can b said about being durable
@@Rurouni_Seiryui like karate punches they work u don't have to wind up and try to clobber someone just b accurate and fast
@@steverodgers4662 This is true, and I do prefer karate style punches myself. This is why I like styles that utilize the same techniques mixed with rough conditioning (ie. Kyokushin karate)
Thank you for posting, beautiful true Karate. What a wonderful atmosphere. There is so much McDojo videos out there so it's a relief to see some real true Karate. Couple of familiar faces out there.
I can't wait to the next master camp 🥋❤
man i so want to be there fighting with those guys in that great atmosphere.
a great deal of respect and control shown by all very impressive
Hallo. Good Fights. I like this Video.
I am a fan of this type of sparring. These guys show skill. But boxing techniques blended thoughtfully into this would greatly improve it. Chin down, high guard. Don’t understand why this hasn’t evolved to that.
Suspect because when a successful strike has happened that is the end of the bout - so any strike to the lower body means stop and restart. Probably easier to reach the lower bits with the feet etc. So less emphasis on defending the head.
@nerfnerfification This is similar to old school bare knuckle boxing stance. If you close the distance and give them boxing gloves, everything changes.
Isso é karatê de verdade!!
Good clean art
These are NOT McDojo Black Belts...these are obviously the real deal.
So many sweep opportunities it’s ridiculous. Were they not allowed to use their legs?
kumite shotokan
it kind of reminds me of football
Great skill but I'm a little disappointed. With a title like masters camp I was hoping to see more dojo or free sparring rather than point sparring. Truly test master versus master technique instead of sport karate.
Are you the Oroville Hayashi-ha karateka? Lol what a small world we live in
Point sparring is how kumite is done in Shotokan tournaments, as this is. Free sparing would be done in training.
Great stuff
One touch
What works better in a street fight? Sport karate or bunkai
verry good
Who is aka in 10th minute ?He is amazing !
I think it's Justin Nepo
perhaps more use of TAI SABAKI by UKE would result in more KIME WAZA!!
Is that Sensei Bongie Ndwandwe in the third match?
Kyokushin fighters and Kudo fights are more realistic. The Kudo and Kyokushin fighters are also highly conditioned to continuous fighting. Can't see these guys applying all those unrealistic shotokan techniques they so religiously practice.
it can be acorrding to mma fighters like wonder boy the machidas and michael page and mma coach ramsey dewey
There is so much more to Shotokan than you realize. All of the techniques that we practice so strictly is to get our body conditioned to the movement so that when you need to use it, it can come out much more freely and loosely. Also, a true martial artist isn't married to only one form, though there is one that is the root form.
@@kristysonberg4235 "Each one with his own medicine". I practised Shotokan from the age of 11 until I was 18 years old. It was the more common and accessible martial art. I observed that I was having significant problems with the techniques when sparing. They did not come natural and I felt that most of them were unrealistic.I observed 3rd dan and 5th dan black belts sparring and realised that they were also struggling. In my experience, Shotokan was my base for building my mental discipline and strength since I started when I was a kid. My experience taught me that as a tool for self defence, it is unrealistic since most of the techniques are based on punches from the hips(no one punches like that in the streets), punches are left hanging in the air after the event, very low stances rendering swift movements and kicks difficult. All this accounts for very bad practises since actual fighting is fluid. Therefore I found myself training in a way that did not reflect the way people fight. The best martial arts train you the same way you will be fighting. Movements are supposed to be natural. As an example, the western boxing jab is a very natural movement.It is efficient and effortlessly delivered. That is the way techniques of a fighting art are supposed to be delivered once mastered.Try as you might, day after day, most Shotokan techniques can only be applied on a static opponent or in a controlled environment for demonstration . I therefore find most Okinawan Karate (root of Shotokan) and Kudo, with its short form blocks, high stances and "western boxing punches" very fluid and effective. You actually train the way you will fight. Fighting becomes intuitive like walking. When walking you do not need to remember which leg should come up. The correct leg simply comes up because that has been your conditioning to walking since childhood. No proxy is used for training to walk. You simply walk every day.Same with fighting techniques. If techniques are counter intuitive to natural movements chances are that it will be very difficult and inefficient to apply in a fluid and dynamic environment presented by a fight.Good luck on your journey. Ous.
Hahaha this is mearly point sparing it creates a reluctance to attack because they dont want to give up a point on the counter attack... free fighting is where its at.... dont belive the kyokoshin is all every one spouts it to be as a rule their defence is utter crap.. having trained both shotokan 1dan and kyokoshin (never graded by choice) im verced in both styles combined togeather they offer a great versatility that neithe on their own could teach.
I totally agreed kyokushi karate is more realistic than than shotokan especially the modern day shotokan...the technics are not effective....
Is that painting in the background the famous flag raising in Iwajima?
When and where is this camp?
Thanks for watching! This was in June 2011 at Camp Green Lane near Philadelphia. Here’s a link from the 2019 camp.
iskf.com/53rd-annual-iskf-master-camp-intl-goodwill-tournament-camp-green-lane-pa-june-7-14-2019/
2:49 No reniego hacia el Karate inclusivo pero el Karateca sordo debería usar audífonos, y si escucha bien debe repetir mil veces seguidas el Dojo Kun.
I think I see my Sensei.
Very strange that this "type" of Karate never really establisched itself in the US like in Europe. But these guys are good..Very good control...Lack of foot technics though But nice Ura Mawashi attempt at 08:44
It was all the rage in USA in the 70s. That is what Chuck Norris, Joe Louis and a few notables are famous for. They were point Karate champions.😂😂😂 For this reason Bruce Lee never took part because he found this not realistic enough.
Gostei do local q tá sendo feito a competição (tipo mato fechado) muito bom
2:48 typical big guy vs small guy playout. doesn't matter what you throw, the big guy just steam rolls forward. any fellow karate-ka care to comment on their approach to dealing with these situations better than this small guy does? my suggestion would be to cut angles better
Yes. I saw opportunities for spinning back kick. Big guy is bearing down on you let him. Spinning back kick just as he is fully committed to his attack. Outside of that you must keep adjusting your angles. Get off the train track!
Is that Justin Nepo still sparring? Wow.
Always the same comments ..in Karate you for the great majority of time, train to fight;not fight to train,there's a difference..if you want to see fighting,watch ufc. Or an alternative
This is how real sparring should look like: ruclips.net/video/Fx8SSRtPzEA/видео.html
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Stupid rules
why are they stupid?
Agreed!!! To keep resetting is bit silly. Imo
Great video. I love the ISKF. The ISKF keeps it real and honest.
this is not full contact karate and scoring is different from full contact. Stupid if you are not in to it. Even MMA has rules..... in a real fight then that is a different story. Every contact sport has rules because if there are no rules then it's not a sports.
Que mierda es esto?
alright. this is not karate shotokan.
PESIMOS LUTADORES DE KARATE