DOUBLE BAG SLEEP SYSTEM VS SINGLE BAG & SOFTIES AS PJS....bexbugoutsuvivor
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A possible change for to the 3 part UK modular sleep system, I experiment with loosing the lightweight tropical bag, in exchange for a softie suit. The softie suit will then perform double duty, acting as a secondary sleep unit, and act as part of the warm kit for CEMO. On a previous camp I tested using my old style softies as PJs, with massive success.
In addition to this I also look at alternatives f to the softie suit to enable better space saving and lighter options for wild camps.....bexbugoutsurvivor
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I can happily sleep cold, as long as my feet are warm, but I give myself the option of carrying thermals / softies / base layers, especially if you pick up cold / flu symtoms, then the extra warmth becomes very important, even in the summer, you can go down with a cold and get a chill
I full new British Modular sleep system (despise the liner), the USGI system, civilian bags and the Canadian Army sleep system. That said, I do rather prefer one bag and a good insulated layer like the softies because it makes it easier to answer the call of nature when it is cool or cold. Both systems work pretty well for me and I am (at almost 45) also still a very warm sleeper.
If your like me and my age, the call of nature goes on all night...lol Will test out Softies in lieu of the outer bag this winter....atb....bex
Just this week did three nights camping using long johns and thermal top in the medium weight (outer) issue bag, temp down to zero and was toasty.
You're right about the age thing, takes more for me nowadays. One thing I've added is a very small fleece blanket, like a baby blanket. If it's super cold, use it as a head wrap, otherwise it's my pillow.
i keep experimenting ... just did a trip using a woobie poncho liner around my legs and a cold weather 'Puffa' jacket for my torso, with a jerven bag as a windproof bivi although ended up using it open like a blanket ... nights were cloudless and very cold.
Next trip out, am thinking back to a softie suit and a woobie ... possibly in a hammock.
(must be a year since i hammock camped last)
My sleep 'system' chops and changes depending on time of year, location, weather and if i'm active or static ... the biggest benefit for me having a system similar to yours is the flexibility to adapt it to suit ... while a sleeping bag is just a sleeping bag, regardless if its too warm, too cold or just right for that particular trip.
Here is my idea for my next project. (Half Sleeping bag) the lower half....lol Ovs
It will need a wide elasticated band, as it will be sewn up where the zip once was. I hot water bottle down the foot end will take care or cold feet. The elasticated band will sit just under my arm pits. A warm reliable hat and jacket, will take care of the top half, mine jacket is my canadian special forces climashield ECW.
Lower half kidneys should be covered. Should save weight/space without compromise.
I will use a spare Fecsa (Climashield Apex fill) bag, I reviewed. But they have quadrupled in price since I made that video.....atb bex
@@bexbugoutsurvivor lol, already did something similar when I was in the infantry and didn’t have much spare space in my Bergen, I took a jungle bag folded it double, so only half the length ... used it just on my legs, and used a softie jacket as the upper ... usually inside a goretex bivi bag with half a foam sleep mat,
My base layers are always a thermal top but bottoms are Ron hills and thin trainers at least I can get up quickly if need to be out quickly not in long johns. I also use the softie top and bottoms to sleep in if really cold otherwise the coat is my pillow and it cold during the night can be put over me. Good information again thanks
I love my fleece jog pants and hoody as bag liners, can bug out quickly in them. I have the Buffalo bag system too, which requires skin sleeping, something I haven't done for a long time. atb...bex
Have you thought about sleeping in a kilt Bex?
Nice warm wool, avoids midnight streaks, allows for drainage runs easily without needing to strip layers in a rush haha!
Hi Bex
I think you were spot on with your assessment, I also like to sleep in a hoodie and sports pants they're so comfortable. I also put my ex army gortex jacket between my sleeping and bivi bag it adds a bit extra insulation.
I seen some of the young lads on exercise wearing the goretex rain gear inside the bag, each to their own lol. Like the idea of using goretex rain gear as an isolation barrier between the bag and bivvy, may give that a go, but I turn too much in my sleep for that to have a benefit I think....All the best. bex
Hi bex I use the same system as you do I also the Dutch army hooped bivvy so I'm very toasty with it.i also use my sofie suit aswell
Great Video Brother Bex. You are Right On about being Cold. Old Saying goes, When You become Grey. The Cold is here to Stay. I think that's how it goes with me. Im well into the grey area. Stay Warm out there. Cheers from Swansea SC.
You got that right! The Fecsa bag is the only sleep system I have not been disappointed in so far. A Nalgene bottle with hot water sorts out a cold night.
Down to about -6: Fleece hat. Boxers, joggers tucked into socks. Cotton T-shirt, fleece sweat shirt. And that's me well wrapped! Normal, cheap 3-4 seasons bag. Getting out for a pee isn't too bad.
That was a good one Bex - what an absolutely gorgeous day. You live in such a beautiful part of Britain. All the very best to you and yours 👍 👍 👍 🍻
If I'm on a backpacking trip in the UK , especially in between seasons,I always use my evening wear insulation( usually primaloft )as a way to extend the bags rating,thick socks on...the only real contention is with my legs sometimes ,I guess softie trousers would solve the issue for a minimal weight increase ?
Good stuff thanks Bex 👍
It's about time there's an industry standard. It's a difficult thing to quantify as everyone has a different comfort rating. I like my snugpak gear but it's ratings are definitely bs.
Bex , good informational video and tips , thanks for sharing ,God bless mate
The question I have is I no the British copied the carinthia system do they have the same filling insulation I treated myself to the carinthia tropen and defence 4 and not tried British system yet
Both bags have Climashield apex insulation fill, in its self far superior to old school polyester copped staple fill. Carinthia has the addition of thermoflec technology, aluminium fibers weaved into the climashield. As a result of adding thermoflec, the Carinthia has a slightly lower comfort rating, but is a few grams lighter than than the Fecsa bag. I would suggest the Carinthia Def 4 is the superior product, with better stitch work and better quality zippers....Both bags have a comfort of around -10C combining the light weight Tropen bag and bivvy gives the whole system a low comfort of -20....
If you use a pad/mat under the bag, try turning the bag inside out to sleep in it, as the Pertex outer shell can detract from insulating properly....Your lucky having a Carinthia bag, I will get round to buying one for this winter, but the Fecsa bag will more than suffice in the absence of a larger budget....bex
I sleep hot during warmer months use a sleeping pod + bivvy bag if needed.
Have you an idea where i can get a zipper pull for my British army longback bergan, its the one on the top lid, tia.
Frank.
Google zip n fix. It just screws on. I bought a pack of 3 different sizes.
@@bexbugoutsurvivor cheers mate
ME MY SELF WOULD BE SWEATING IN THERE
As a cold sleeper you'll have to bunk up with me in my bag then to keep me warm....lol
g'day sir! have you ever seen the "Hygger Nanuk" it's a sleeping bag you can wear, im quite a traditional (cold) groundsleeper, and recently heared about those, have them on my "want" list now.
Like you sayd, "i dont want to run out of camp bare arsed, and this gives back all that mobility we miss inside a bag! (i always feel a little trapped inside my bag)
Thanks for the video(s) sir! very informative and easy to watch.
I seen a wearable sleep system called the Selk', but In temperate climates, I don't use sleeping bags. I can use my Climashield jacket and insulated water proof trousers, and drape a (Grabber space blanket) over me, inside a bivvy bag. www.amazon.co.uk/Grabber-127006-P-All-Weather-Blanket/dp/B002CQUA28?th=1
Might be a way to save money and disappointment, if you have trusted wearables.....bex