Which Linux Laptop Should You Buy? | System76 vs TUXEDO
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- When it comes to the #System76 Lemur Pro and TUXEDO InfinityBook S 14, it's the little things that add up! Choosing between these 2 awesome #Linux laptops won't be easy. Same Clevo chassis. Same CPUs. Same marathon 73Wh battery. Same speakers, same webcam. But I always say it's the little things.
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Another difference is where you live: if you buy a Tuxedo computer from Europe there isn't an importation tax, with System there is.
Also: if you need a UK keyboard, forget System76
@@lydericlandry if you want an US ANSI keyboard forget all european CLEVO reseller (even if tuxedo promise to put US ANSI for the 15" Ryzen model soon)
@@MarioDAmore I just ordered a Tuxedo with a US ANSI keyboard... and I was looking at them for months before chosing one, they have been available on a lot of models
indeed, I checked the import tax for a System76, 2200 dollar laptop -> about 1100 euros in taxes... not really an option
@@tweetdezweet really? I got a lenovo in the mean time....
I bought a Tuxedo Infinity Book Pro 15 and I'm quite satisfied.
I'm in Italy, and I needed an Italian keyboard, that System 76 was unable to supply.
Another thing to consider is the bios battery management : you can set a min and a max charge level, so that if you frequently attach and detach the main power, this doesn't impact
on the battery life : if the charge is over the min value, the battery is not recharged uselessly. When the charge drops down the min level, the battery is charged up to the max value you have set, and if this value is under 100%, this preserves the battery life.
@Marcin Berman Well, in effect this isn't really true. i could survive with English keyboard, using dead keys. Anyway there were the problem of the delivery cost, and the import taxes...
its nice to see a change in scenery, the audio was well edited given the wind, p.s. great review
Specially when we can’t go out
The improved boot time of system 76 is impressive. They do work on things around the hardware.
OMG 😱 Just what I was looking for. Thanks!
Enjoyed this short intro and comparison. Thanks Jason.
You bet!
I'm so happy I found your channel! Very informative and now I'm thinking of picking up a Linux Laptop
Awesome! Well if you have any questions just ask.
@@LinuxForEveryone sure will! Thanks! I'm really liking the look of the Lemur, but, not sure I want to spend that much right now...
I own the InfinityBook Pro 15 v4 from TUXEDO for a year now (running stock Fedora, not the OS from TUXEDO) (there is a newer, improved version of the model as far as I know). I like it very much, and I like keyboard very much (nice to write, soft, but sharp and nice to touch-keys have a very slight rubbery feeling), but my biggest gripe is that there is no HW indicator for num-lock and caps-lock. Aaaand.... the keyboard coating quality is pretty poor-some keys have almost completely lost their coating and does not look nice anymore, especially with backlight turned on (I really wanted to have a penguin button on my keyboard, but it grew wings and flew away). I write a lot though. But different models probably have different (and hopefully better) keyboards.
Other than that there is not much to say, it just works.
Glad you're health is getting there! Thanks for your upbeat, videos. Some Linux vloggers/pod-casters feel it's necessary to constantly attack Windows. Comes across as overcompensation for an inferiority complex that seems ridiculous in 2020.
Thanks a lot Mark, glad you're finding value in the channel!
I bought a laptop recently I really wanted to get a tuxedo one since I live in Europe but honestly it just seemed expensive to me they should try making some low budget models
My guess is that the margins on a low or high budget laptop are the same, that would mean the same amount of work to assemble the laptop but less cash coming in.
Another thing could be that for low budget models the competition is stronger in the sense that you can take a secondhand model that has better specs than a recent low budget model and Linux will just work on it out of the box.
Just a half-educated guess :)
I love Linux and open source but that doesn't mean making nonsense decisions. HP just released a range of thin and lights for around 650.00 to 900.00 US that come with a much more powerful AMD Ryzen 4000 Series processor, larger NVME SSD, 8 or 16 gigs of ram and 12 to 14 hours of battery life. Several options all with better specs for less then the ones shown here. Recent LTT video for more info then check out Amazon. Thinking of getting one and installing Arch. I want to support open source but I won't harm myself in the process. Getting less for more is not smart financially.
Supporting companies, developers, and professionals who are making Linux-specific hardware, truly open source BIOS management, and broad user appeal is not a nonsense decision. You are the type to claim to love open source projects but refuses to contribute anything to it whatsoever.
I paid darn near 2k a few years ago for a lenovo laptop with a 4k display that can't even scale the text in programs & apps correctly. You literally need a magnifying glass to read some stuff.
I can't wait to make it a back up unit
I want that lemur, but I have a couple of things I wish it had so I can buy it:
1. QHD display, not 1080p. I don't want 4k because it is an overkill for laptops.
2. Better bezels. Those bezels are extremely outdated and look ugly. I want the bezels to be hidden under the glass like macbooks and a lot of other windows PCs.
3. Bigger battery than the 73 watt hours they have in it.
4. Bigger trackpad with multigestures support right out of the box.
5. Good speakers.
If it had those, I'd be willing to invest in it even it were $2000.
Buy a MacBook pro and install Linux . Easy .
How's the keyboard? How high on the Thinkpad keyboard scale is it? from 0 to 10 (Where ten is a keyboard lifted from a Thinkpad and put in this Clevo chassis)?
I always wondered why the linux community doesn't just call linux laptops Tuxbooks and a linux desktop a Tuxbox.
I hit the subscribe button when I saw you are in my country 😁
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As someone who made the mistake of getting a tn panel laptop I think I would have to go with the system 76 laptop. I want the battery life but honestly as a college student anytime I have classes back to back it's never longer than 3 hours. And then I have a larger break were I can charge and go back to back again. Performance, battery life, screen, keyboard, build quality, features, warranty, and then style in that order is how I choose things now.
Well the Lemur Pro may have LESS of a marathon battery, but it's still a marathon battery! It'll last for TWO of your 3 hour classes easily.
All the newly available Linux pre-installed laptops I have seen are from overpriced to way overpriced. I shop for a laptop that has the specs I need (most of the time refurbished). I then erase the stupid OEM Windows 10 installed and proceed to custom install my favorite Linux distro (Mint) and modify it to my heart's content. Simple and suit my taste perfectly
For me it's obvious for my own needs Tuxedo is what I need!
That don't underminde system 76 which I like yet, having good graphics is not a priority to me.
I would really like to see comparison between tuxedo and slimbook pro x, as these are more obvious options for someone from Europe
I have that in mind! I've just spent MUCH less time with the Slimbooks (and I'd prefer to wait a couple months until they get refreshed and become competitive, specs wise)
I've been looking at the Tuxedo laptops recently as they're one of the very few sellers offering Dvorak keyboards as a factory option. It used not to be an issue and I could just swap the keys but with more modern keyboards being very difficult to re-arrange myself, I'd rather it was a factory option. Sadly, most mainstream manufacturers won't offer it...
On certain models Tuxedo could actually do a Klingon keyboard if that's what you wanted!
@@LinuxForEveryone Funnily enough, that's exactly how my manager described my keyboard to everybody else...
Next review: 2 in 1 laptop that runs good with Linux.
Im planning to buy a HP Envy and put linux on it
I find that my Dell XPS 13 running Ubuntu 20.04 would compete with either of those. And a used one would cost less than those units new.
Dell xps 13 significantly better than either one of those. Its got a 1920 x 1200, edge-to-edge, 16:10, 417 nits - display, WiFi 6, 52Wh battery, 10th Gen i7 cpu, etc.
www.theverge.com/2020/4/15/21221003/dell-xps-13-2020-review-core-i7-specs-features-price
@@kalijasin mine is a 2015 model with the i5-5200 8GB ram and a 256GB SSD
@@kalijasin New Dell’s XPS 13 has screen flickering / PWM. Not the best choice for your eyes
Have you compared these with a Dell XPS 13 Developer Edition? It comes out to about the same price as a Lemur Pro with comparable specs.
Correct!
Is this really correct? While the XPS is in the same range, specs u get on the XPS are different for the same price. For e.g as of now, the XPS 13 9300 offers max 16 GB RAM and it appears you must choose the i7 version for that and it comes with Windows. No option for Ubuntu. Ofc you can change the OS later. From what I read, programmers need more RAM so the Lemur or Tuxedo would be the better choice in that case. Do note - as per CPU benchmark reports the processors on XPS 9300 have a higher score than Lemur Pro (both i5 and i7 considered). Yes, the Dell will be more premium but I feel the Lemur/Tuxedo offer more potential.
@@RajivSingha3 I thought the XPS offered Ubuntu options? I was looking at them a while back.
They do. You have to Google them though. They're called Developer Additions.
I suspect a more interesting comparison would be using the same distro between these two, but including a third machine. Including the Clevo notebook these two are derived from. There's plenty of companies selling Clevo boxes under their own logo. Beyond officially supporting Linux, I just can't imagine they vary a whole lot.
Yea, they probably don't vary too much, with the exception of major differences like Coreboot as one example.
@@LinuxForEveryone True. I suppose that should have been phrased differently. I don't mean a comparison between distros, but very similar hardware. There are quite a few companies that sell Linux hardware when it's little more than re-branded Clevo machines. I have a Clevo laptop (model P151SM1, via pcspecialists in the UK), and it works fine with Mint. However, official Linux support does not exist, nor will it because reasons.
The Tuxedo setup looks very tempting because they give means to set up the machine, the tools and support. The things you pay for on Apple and MS. I like that you pay for Windows rather than having the No-OS option be a reduction. :) Very cool.
Honestly, watching this 3 months later I find Lenovo T14 with AMD CPU a lot better option and cheaper.
Well, it's a thinkpad so it absolutely has a better typing experience, I'll vouch for that.
If you live in Europe, it's pretty much Tuxedo compulsorily: System76 unfortunately don't offer localised keyboards. You also have to pay a heavy P&P charge + a tax to get the machine here.
Perhaps the next video then is Tuxedo vs Slimbook?
@@LinuxForEveryone good idea indeed
how much is the tax do you know?
Thank you for the review. Interesting highlights.
I have an infintybook it's great, I like the penguin key instead of windows and everything works with linux, I'll never get a windows laptop again and just hope it works with linux. Tuxedo also create drivers and others stuff. I wouldn't get a system 76 as I live in Germany but they also seem like good computers. I just wish linux laptops (76 or tuxedo) were not so damn expensive, but the money buys you the knowledge that linux will 100% work on it plus you can customise the specs, you can't do this with the major brands - i know some makers like dell offer customisation in North America but not on their german website. There is a configurator but is just to buy insurance and stuff, this is why I would also pay more, to get the specs i want.
Fantastic video, my friend!
I think it's cheaper just to buy a normal laptop running FreeDOS and then install Linux on it, than to buy a Linux laptop
next year I want to buy a Tuxedo 14 Infinity and have it delivered in Vietnam
I believe this is the lightest 14" laptop that accepts TWO M.2 drives. So you can have two different OSes and boot into either one. You pay about $300 extra for the lack of weight and a dual SSD ability. If this is your priority - it is the best deal in town! The only other 14" light laptop that can take two SSDs is the newest 2 in 1 LG Gram. But you have to monkey around to install Linux yourself. Plus it costs even more than those two.
This video is so good! I'm in europe and Tuxedo seems to have great options and great support, but I want to use PopOS. How contradictory is that...
Nothing holding you back. Download and install. Shouldn't be an issue.
I bought macbook pro 13 and installed linux on it and i love it!
Which Linux Laptop Should You Buy?
A chromebook with crouton?
both system76 and tuxedo had/have support for my older Clevo laptop. would recommend either if they have good support for your models
Both these machines are still very subpar, as a generous description.
Care to elaborate?
So how are the screens under direct sunlight, by the way? And the fan noise while you were running benchmarks?
Would you consider doing a video showing the Tuxedo InfinityBook S 14 in detail? I think its hard to see how it looks and feels from the images on Tuxedo computers website.
I'm releasing an unboxing and first impressions video of it... Later today 🤘
@@LinuxForEveryone awesome!! Can't wait to see it 😎
Interesting, I was wondering where the body of the System76 came from. I want better battery life, and good costumer service.
Next comparison with slimbook!!
That is definitely the plan!
Just an fyi, System76 also disabled intel ME .
Really, the question is do you like Pop!_Os or not. If so, System76. If not, Tuxedo.
for europe citizens tuxedo would be better choice, don't think about shipping ?
coreboot seems be nice
i/ve tried flash it into my old pc without sucess
maybe i will try again
it's hard decision
do you have more diffrences beetween ?
Schenker and Tuxedo are very similar, since Tuxedo is a subdivision of Schenker.
So you can save 100€ if you do a custom install
I am trying to figure out whether this has a webcam and a microphone that may compete with a macbook air. What do you think?
Why is no one comparing amd systems the system 76 pangolin starting point is only 849$ for what I would assume is very comparable performance when comparing the i5 vs the r5 4500u
What I hate is different version of same thing like piece of clothes and choices is hard to understand and have to listen the sales person who is selling certain product...
Hi ! Just wanna know if tuxedo is noisy when you use nvidia for a long period ?
If you by a computer in the Netherlands you have at least 3 years warranty. No extra fees may be applied. You can expect a computer to last at least 10 years. So the seller has the legal obligation to provide 3 years warranty.
Thx. God vid. Bro. 🤪🤘
I recommend the Thinkpad X220 or T420. Runs every Distro I've tried and has the last great keyboards.
I seriously want a used X220. I hear NOTHING but praise for that machine.
Lenovo T14s with AMD CPU with 8 core and 32 gb of ram sounds better to me, it's also 100% compatible with linux and also has a bios energy option for linux or windows. I am just comparing it with these linux notebooks that can be upgraded to 64gb of ram and then will decide what to do.
@@Megawindo does it have coreboot?
Man, Both comes with that OS´s, or one can ask for specific Linux Distro ?
System76 laptops come with Pop OS or Ubuntu. And Tuxedo ships with Ubuntu, openSuse or "Tuxedo OS" which is a slightly tweaked version of Ubuntu 20.04.
@@LinuxForEveryone and as i saw it ships with manjaro as well, a pretty new distro that retired my linux mint ....
Me, sitting on my ass wishing for a linux-powered ultrabook that doesn't cost a semester's worth of tuition. Oh, well.
Check Slimbook or Vant Computers
A semester of tuition for you is only $1000 USD? Damn that’s cheap!
Wow, they are both super expensive! I am used paying someyhing around $400 for notebooks (average ones, not top notch) and now even those are passing $1000 barrier... I will have to stick with old Dells and ThinkPads
I hope Clevo releases ryzen models soon.
Thanks
Why are Linux laptops so expensive?!?!?!?!?! Not everyone has an endless cash flow!!! #SMDH😟😟😟😟😟😟😟😟
Do you have the ability to measure the color gamut and accuracy of these displays? Specifically srgb, adobergb, and dcip3 would be very helpful.
Unfortunately I don't @Kaad. I've never been an expert in display tech, but I try to report on it with as much intelligence as possible :D
I totally recognize that would be valuable though.
Can you flash coreboot on the toxudo infitybook? Because there are open source fans which want to do this, I will probably not. But everyone likes fast boot times.
i should've seen this video before buying my laptop which isnt supporting LINUX OS on main OS. drivers are only for Windows. RIP
Oh no. Which laptop exactly?
Short answer: Slimbook
Why not buy normal laptop and install linux based OS?
Because these laptops have certified hardware that actually is supported by Linux. That is not the case with all other laptops
What I require:
All ram is socketed
user installable m2/ssd
user replaceable battery
ryzen 4000 class cpu, 8 cores or more
no discrete graphics card, only uses APU
lots of ports
wired ethernet port
WiFi 6 capable wifi interface
linux works correctly, virtual terminals work
Preferred: Not from China
I can't find any laptop that does all this, for some reason all the Ryzen 4000 laptops I find are discrete graphics, probably because they all target gamers.
i mean whats wrong with a discrete GPU. gamer or no you benefit from it as it will handle the graphics and the CPU can be freed up more(though they could add in a really cheap variant like a GT 1030 for the people not needing a powerful GPU). but if your talking about a power draw then yes i agree and i wish they could make a software to turn it off when not needing it but i have no idea if that is even feasible.
why not ryzen 4000 ((
It's important to understand that once an OEM decides to adopt a certain part it can take 9 or 10 months to actually release that laptop. So right now we are seeing only laptops from large manufacturers who were early adopters of that part.
Linux For Everyone so maybe after half of year they will make it on Ryzen ?
You buy exactly the opposite to what Forbes recommends.
Lenovo Thinkpad P15
Can we get a Linux laptop that's not clevo trash please
Well, yes: ruclips.net/video/aOSCkoVGTeQ/видео.html
Neither. For some reason Linux OEMs have decided to price average people out of the FOSS OEM market.
This needs to change. I hear this complaint CONSTANTLY.
@@LinuxForEveryone These are smallish companies that are creating Linux native laptops and computers with opensource drivers. They have to do a lot more than rebrand a Chinese laptop. My personal laptop is a System 76 Gazelle and it was more expensive than getting a similar speced laptop and then flashing Linux on it. It has been a premium experience since it arrived and I am glad I made the purchase.
Big companies have the resources to make less expensive products because of their product diversification and expansive resources. (They also don't share their source code and many big companies resell their customer's data.) This will change when these small companies get bigger and we can help out by supporting them. Every time I see a merge on their github repository, I feel like my investment was more than a laptop but, also one in a cool opensource project.
FOSS OEM companies know that their customers care about a quality experience in their linux based opensource laptop and not a cheap piece of trash. If you want an affordable computer that runs linux; find the cheapest laptop and YOU figure out how to install linux. If you want something like these laptops, stop complaining and spend the money.
tux
Second hand Thinkpad. Period.
I tried a tux notebook and it was a $1750.00 rip-off-------------BUY AMERICAN. my battery lasted 2 hours.
Can you tell me which laptop brands are completely produced and manufactured in America?
I'll wait...
Oh, and you can't say Apple :D
@@LinuxForEveryone There may not be one, but there are a lot of Chinese parts on the Tuxedo notebook that I had to pay $200.00 extra to import. Linux works on just about anything, Linux hardware is a gimmick. Their customer service is a serious problem, I've got 50 some emails to back that up. 3 months waisted and it still doesn't work. Buy from American Vendors!
Get Neither, both rip you off. Get an old thinkpad for less than half the price and the same processing power.
does any one these support thunderbolt 3?
No :/
@@LinuxForEveryone ahh sad
I was planning to have everything connected over a single cable
These are just cheap rebranded Chinese laptops. Install Linux on a ThinkPad or MacBook if you absolutely need native Linux.
Well, technically, ThinkPad is a Chinese product. Also, the MacBook.
Now, IF you want full freedom, the hardware has to run Libreboot or Coreboot. And disabled Intel Management.
Why not just any good laptop and install linux on it????????
Not all hardware supports Linux, on top of the fact you can just buy a PC with Linux installed on it already rather than an increased price for having Windows pre-installed or running into potential issues or setbacks from having nothing pre-installed.
Not to mention these Linux devices are not only assured to work with Linux, but it saves you the problem of having any form of bloat leftover on your system compared to buying a Windows PC and installing over it. There is no way to ever be fully rid of Windows once it has been on a system, at the very least the key for your edition of Windows is stored somewhere on that PC forever in case you switch back to Windows.
Don't buy either get yourself a Thinkpad
I have to admit that's not terrible advice. I'm seriously interested in the new Fedora Thinkpad Carbon.