Just subscribed. Your channel has helped me no end when it came to understanding EV's and ultimately made my mind up to get a M3 LR for my next company car. Should be arriving in the next couple of weeks. Looking forward to more content!!
Hi Ian, thanks for subscribing, hopefully going to slowly evolve and build the channel to help out future Tesla owners and electric cars owners in general. So glad you are finding it helpful. Enjoy your M3 when it finally arrives :)
just subscribed from sweden, getting my m3 sr+ next friday, 2021, wonder if ill get the steering wheel heat. I can keep you posted if you wanna do a vid about it, new headlights is most probably gonna be on it.
Hi R J, that’s very exciting, fingers crossed it has the heated steering wheel. Definitely make it more comfortable for those colder winters you have 👍🏻. Hopefully getting my hands on a new Model 3 to review soon, but appreciate the offer, thanks
Haha, Happy Tesla Day! I'm imagine you'd used every excuse under the sun to go drive it this last week! Someone mentions they need something from the shops or a takeaway. Your off! Hope you are enjoying it
@@TeslaTorque Honestly, I'm absolutely loving it. I didn't get to test drive one beforehand, but believe me I've probably watched more Tesla videos than all of the RUclips viewers put together! 😂 It has genuinely beaten my expectations in every category. Glad to finally join the club!
Nice video giving a general overview. I think overall cost of ownership is more important than Ticket price. Which would probably indicates Tesla is the better option? Also build quality...see Sandy Monroe.
Yep, I agree. I always work out long term cost when I buy stuff, and whilst I could have got a cheaper combustion car second hand, if I was buying new, I still think the Tesla wins
When have you ever charged at 170kW? 🤔 They just don’t get there. Unlike the E-Tron 55 which reaches 150kW easy and sits there. For me, unless its an E-Tron 55 then I’m not buying any other model other than a Tesla. The mere fact Tesla superchargers are so good is just one reason for me as I cannot charge it at home. So I need fast charging and Tesla just wipes the floor with all others apart from the E-Tron, which charges faster and more consistently at a higher rate than the Tesla does. Good info! Thanks 😃👍🏻
I tried in my supercharger video, but I think maxed out about 125kW (spoiler alert 😂) , but from all the comments, you basically have to be around the 10% to achieve that 170kW and pretty much perfect weather conditions. I arrived with I think 20% charge or there abouts. It will be interesting to see how the charging situation changes over the next few years, as if you can achieve achieve the rates advertised it would be so quick!
@@TeslaTorque Yes, you need the version 3 charger, and a nice warmish battery at around 10% charge (typical of an average journey), and the car accepts 170 kw (250 kw for LR and performance), for a long enough period to make it very worth-while. On the version 2 chargers, we normally start at around 135 kWh, which then slowly ramps down as the battery nears full. (For most journeys we charge to around 70% to 80%, which usually amounts to 10/15 mins to 35 mins at the charger...45/50 mins for a large ‘long-hop’ charge).
Yep, there are quite a few cheaper ones that can match the range of the Model 3, but to keep the video short-ish, just focused on those that had similar range for their base model, but yep. lots of choice now if range is your key metric 👍🏻
@@TeslaTorque I enjoy your work and find it interesting and this is not trolling, just trying to make a point . if you want to make a proper comparison you need to include cars that are available. The original Hyundia Ionic and Kia's. who would buy a Volkswagen after the way they treated customers in the past.
Just ordered a new Model 3 Long Range this week with your referral code. Can't wait to use the free Supercharger miles on a trip to Southern France in the summer! :-) If we are allowed! :-( BTW I can see from my VIN number that I'm getting one of the Chinese built Model 3s with Heated Steering Wheel!
Thats awesome news about the Chinese one. I'm not sure when yours in due, but I'm hopefully going to be do an in-depth review on a made in china Model 3 very soon, so keep your eyes peeled for that to see what you can expect with yours. Thanks for using the referral code by the way. Its going to help fund some of the road trips I've got planned when we are actually allowed out and about again!
Although ID3 and ID4 should have been a great competition they fall way short with the quality of the interior, a lot of cheap plastics. They also messed up with using capacitive controls for the radio volume etc which are very old-tech and dreadful to use (dry fingers - no chance in getting it to respond). Then there was the electronics, but that is getting sorted, but there is still a problem of 12V battery drain as there is no top-up when the EV is parked and off. Like others, although I have an Tesla M-3 LR, I am hoping that Kia and Hyundai new cars EV6 and ionic 5 will be good, they look great, though a little short on economy and apparently in real life they are actually quite big SUV's; oh no not another SUV. Finally, if people want a no-nonsense small EV then look at a Renault Zoe - good range on the largest battery - great efficiency and with a good starting price and lots of second hand examples.
The Ioniq 5 is the standout here. Has quite a few features that Tesla Model 3 does not (display in front of steering wheel, HUD, reverse power charging, almost certainly better quality, switches for frequently used functions). Time will tell. Seems to have caught a lot of attention and should be available Q2 or Q3.
I do not think they begin to compete with the whole Tesla experience tbh. Tesla for me still a long way ahead in EV's. Also some of those will depreciate at 2x the rate of a Tesla.
You’re probably right there about depreciation, as Tesla continue to add to cars free. Can’t see other manufacturers doing that and also their batteries lasting as long
Interesting to see how other manufacturers are positioning their EV’s. Tesla need to get their promised holiday update out that never happened to keep them ahead of the game!
Yep, I'm wondering if they are making a loss, as I think some of these are pretty good prices, considering how high EVs use to historically be priced. I imagine when Tesla's new battery tech comes into the market, their ranges will jump quite drastically again. I'll be intrigued to see the price point of the Model Y when it launches.
@@TeslaTorque Tesla is not making a loss. They are production constrained. They sell everything they make with no advertising. Berlin and Texas to come!
ID3/4 and MachE are epic yawn. Dull inferior copies of the Tesla. The Hyundai Ionic 5 looks awesome. Individual styling, great tech, and a lot of original features that the Tesla doesn't have. Nissan and Skoda another yawn. Seat going for the young trendy look, could be ok for that market. So basically no choice except to buy a Tesla, or wait a year to see if the Hyundai is worth buying. On buying a 2nd hand Model 3... good luck with that. Here in France the 2nd hand version is more expensive than new! That's because when you buy a new EV here you get a €7k rebate (€1k for used). I'm better off buying an in-inventory Tesla off their site for €37k and getting the rebate meaning it costs €30k. Oh and if buying 2nd hand you should look at the ID3. It's been so catastrophic that something like 50% of new ID3s are on the 2nd hand market a year later. I got that off the "bestintesla" RUclips channel so you might want to take it with a pinch of salt. However a quick check of the Autoscout web site for
Great comments Phillip, that’s crazy that second hand is more expensive, but great for those that bought new, considering how much they normally depreciate. In the UK they are between 35-37k generally. I think the fact that a lot of IDs were built, then sat in a car park in the open for 6 months whilst VW sorted out their software issues wouldn’t have helped. I think the Ioniq has hints of Alfa with its design. Looks different. it will be interesting to see how VW do with the ID5, which I think is out in December, as that will be the closest competitor to the Model 3 from them.
tesla own site has owned cars - www.tesla.com/en_GB/inventory/used/m3?arrangeby=plh&zip=&range=0 37.800 and auto trader has 110 model 3 from 36k i would not pick a car that is more money than a tesla since tesla batteries are king so will still have good range in 10 years time new manufacturers don't have battery track record so its more a gamble,
Me: yes show me some sexy fast sport sedans, you know like the Tesla model 3 please! Tesla torque: ok here are some dull looking, inefficient family SUVs... Me: so there are no real alternatives? Tesla torque: No but I’ll make the video anyway
You are pretty much right Tom, there are no alternatives if you want a sports sedan. Lots of people moan about the cost of Tesla’s. But when you see what you get for around the same price, actually they are really good value for money. That was kind of the point of the video, apologies if you found it dull
Just subscribed. Your channel has helped me no end when it came to understanding EV's and ultimately made my mind up to get a M3 LR for my next company car. Should be arriving in the next couple of weeks. Looking forward to more content!!
Hi Ian, thanks for subscribing, hopefully going to slowly evolve and build the channel to help out future Tesla owners and electric cars owners in general. So glad you are finding it helpful. Enjoy your M3 when it finally arrives :)
Good video this, haven’t see a proper comparison between all of them!
Keep them coming 🤙🏼
Thanks! Will do!
Tesla's biggest advantage is their charging network & its ease of use
Yep. The third party ones are going to get very interesting when all these EVs hit the road and take longer to charge as aren’t as fast charging
just subscribed from sweden, getting my m3 sr+ next friday, 2021, wonder if ill get the steering wheel heat. I can keep you posted if you wanna do a vid about it, new headlights is most probably gonna be on it.
Hi R J, that’s very exciting, fingers crossed it has the heated steering wheel. Definitely make it more comfortable for those colder winters you have 👍🏻. Hopefully getting my hands on a new Model 3 to review soon, but appreciate the offer, thanks
It's my Tesla delivery daaayyyy!!!
Haha, Happy Tesla Day! I'm imagine you'd used every excuse under the sun to go drive it this last week! Someone mentions they need something from the shops or a takeaway. Your off! Hope you are enjoying it
@@TeslaTorque Honestly, I'm absolutely loving it. I didn't get to test drive one beforehand, but believe me I've probably watched more Tesla videos than all of the RUclips viewers put together! 😂 It has genuinely beaten my expectations in every category. Glad to finally join the club!
Nice video giving a general overview. I think overall cost of ownership is more important than Ticket price. Which would probably indicates Tesla is the better option? Also build quality...see Sandy Monroe.
Yep, I agree. I always work out long term cost when I buy stuff, and whilst I could have got a cheaper combustion car second hand, if I was buying new, I still think the Tesla wins
When have you ever charged at 170kW? 🤔 They just don’t get there. Unlike the E-Tron 55 which reaches 150kW easy and sits there. For me, unless its an E-Tron 55 then I’m not buying any other model other than a Tesla. The mere fact Tesla superchargers are so good is just one reason for me as I cannot charge it at home. So I need fast charging and Tesla just wipes the floor with all others apart from the E-Tron, which charges faster and more consistently at a higher rate than the Tesla does. Good info! Thanks 😃👍🏻
I tried in my supercharger video, but I think maxed out about 125kW (spoiler alert 😂) , but from all the comments, you basically have to be around the 10% to achieve that 170kW and pretty much perfect weather conditions. I arrived with I think 20% charge or there abouts. It will be interesting to see how the charging situation changes over the next few years, as if you can achieve achieve the rates advertised it would be so quick!
@@TeslaTorque Yes, you need the version 3 charger, and a nice warmish battery at around 10% charge (typical of an average journey), and the car accepts 170 kw (250 kw for LR and performance), for a long enough period to make it very worth-while.
On the version 2 chargers, we normally start at around 135 kWh, which then slowly ramps down as the battery nears full. (For most journeys we charge to around 70% to 80%, which usually amounts to 10/15 mins to 35 mins at the charger...45/50 mins for a large ‘long-hop’ charge).
I really like mach e! But 37.000 40
000?
You missed out the Kia E Niro, it matches price and performance
Yep, there are quite a few cheaper ones that can match the range of the Model 3, but to keep the video short-ish, just focused on those that had similar range for their base model, but yep. lots of choice now if range is your key metric 👍🏻
@@TeslaTorque I enjoy your work and find it interesting and this is not trolling, just trying to make a point . if you want to make a proper comparison you need to include cars that are available.
The original Hyundia Ionic and Kia's. who would buy a Volkswagen after the way they treated customers in the past.
Just ordered a new Model 3 Long Range this week with your referral code. Can't wait to use the free Supercharger miles on a trip to Southern France in the summer! :-)
If we are allowed! :-( BTW I can see from my VIN number that I'm getting one of the Chinese built Model 3s with Heated Steering Wheel!
Thats awesome news about the Chinese one. I'm not sure when yours in due, but I'm hopefully going to be do an in-depth review on a made in china Model 3 very soon, so keep your eyes peeled for that to see what you can expect with yours. Thanks for using the referral code by the way. Its going to help fund some of the road trips I've got planned when we are actually allowed out and about again!
Although ID3 and ID4 should have been a great competition they fall way short with the quality of the interior, a lot of cheap plastics. They also messed up with using capacitive controls for the radio volume etc which are very old-tech and dreadful to use (dry fingers - no chance in getting it to respond). Then there was the electronics, but that is getting sorted, but there is still a problem of 12V battery drain as there is no top-up when the EV is parked and off.
Like others, although I have an Tesla M-3 LR, I am hoping that Kia and Hyundai new cars EV6 and ionic 5 will be good, they look great, though a little short on economy and apparently in real life they are actually quite big SUV's; oh no not another SUV.
Finally, if people want a no-nonsense small EV then look at a Renault Zoe - good range on the largest battery - great efficiency and with a good starting price and lots of second hand examples.
Dude 🙄, these cars soo cannot compete with Tesla.
What are you talking about....
Ioniq ⚡️looks good 👍
Yeah, the fact it has bi-directional power could come in hand. Boil a kettle when you are out and about 👍🏻
The Ioniq 5 is the standout here. Has quite a few features that Tesla Model 3 does not (display in front of steering wheel, HUD, reverse power charging, almost certainly better quality, switches for frequently used functions). Time will tell.
Seems to have caught a lot of attention and should be available Q2 or Q3.
I do not think they begin to compete with the whole Tesla experience tbh. Tesla for me still a long way ahead in EV's. Also some of those will depreciate at 2x the rate of a Tesla.
You’re probably right there about depreciation, as Tesla continue to add to cars free. Can’t see other manufacturers doing that and also their batteries lasting as long
Tesla is the gold standard
Interesting to see how other manufacturers are positioning their EV’s. Tesla need to get their promised holiday update out that never happened to keep them ahead of the game!
Yep, I'm wondering if they are making a loss, as I think some of these are pretty good prices, considering how high EVs use to historically be priced. I imagine when Tesla's new battery tech comes into the market, their ranges will jump quite drastically again. I'll be intrigued to see the price point of the Model Y when it launches.
@@TeslaTorque The Id3 makes about the same amount of profit as a golf, the margin is way worse
@@TeslaTorque Tesla is not making a loss. They are production constrained. They sell everything they make with no advertising. Berlin and Texas to come!
ID3/4 and MachE are epic yawn. Dull inferior copies of the Tesla. The Hyundai Ionic 5 looks awesome. Individual styling, great tech, and a lot of original features that the Tesla doesn't have. Nissan and Skoda another yawn. Seat going for the young trendy look, could be ok for that market.
So basically no choice except to buy a Tesla, or wait a year to see if the Hyundai is worth buying.
On buying a 2nd hand Model 3... good luck with that. Here in France the 2nd hand version is more expensive than new! That's because when you buy a new EV here you get a €7k rebate (€1k for used). I'm better off buying an in-inventory Tesla off their site for €37k and getting the rebate meaning it costs €30k.
Oh and if buying 2nd hand you should look at the ID3. It's been so catastrophic that something like 50% of new ID3s are on the 2nd hand market a year later. I got that off the "bestintesla" RUclips channel so you might want to take it with a pinch of salt. However a quick check of the Autoscout web site for
Great comments Phillip, that’s crazy that second hand is more expensive, but great for those that bought new, considering how much they normally depreciate.
In the UK they are between 35-37k generally.
I think the fact that a lot of IDs were built, then sat in a car park in the open for 6 months whilst VW sorted out their software issues wouldn’t have helped.
I think the Ioniq has hints of Alfa with its design. Looks different.
it will be interesting to see how VW do with the ID5, which I think is out in December, as that will be the closest competitor to the Model 3 from them.
tesla own site has owned cars - www.tesla.com/en_GB/inventory/used/m3?arrangeby=plh&zip=&range=0
37.800
and auto trader has 110 model 3 from 36k
i would not pick a car that is more money than a tesla since tesla batteries are king so will still have good range in 10 years time new manufacturers don't have battery track record so its more a gamble,
I think you're right, the Tesla battery tech and how the software manages the battery is superior from what I can tell.
Average 40.000 pounds the average ICE CAR 15.000 TO. 20.000 OR 23.000 POUNDS! SO SO SO UNFORTUNATELY,? (
nothing compares to Tesla
I agree, but thought it was worth just showing people some other options, I think every other one is a compromise some way 👍🏻
Me: yes show me some sexy fast sport sedans, you know like the Tesla model 3 please!
Tesla torque: ok here are some dull looking, inefficient family SUVs...
Me: so there are no real alternatives?
Tesla torque: No but I’ll make the video anyway
You are pretty much right Tom, there are no alternatives if you want a sports sedan. Lots of people moan about the cost of Tesla’s. But when you see what you get for around the same price, actually they are really good value for money. That was kind of the point of the video, apologies if you found it dull