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  • Опубликовано: 24 ноя 2024

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  • @bigboxSWE
    @bigboxSWE  4 месяца назад +23

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    • @ezpie7973
      @ezpie7973 3 месяца назад

      Did brilliant didn't pay much? HuM? What about that humm?

  • @JohnWick-ym7dd
    @JohnWick-ym7dd 4 месяца назад +966

    chaotic neutral btw

  • @cyuria
    @cyuria 4 месяца назад +815

    "arch has the learning curve of elden ring in latin"

    • @NevelWong
      @NevelWong 4 месяца назад +104

      I now have this weird urge to create an entire epic fantasy rpg, only to then release it only in Latin...

    • @exnihilonihilfit6316
      @exnihilonihilfit6316 4 месяца назад +66

      ​@@NevelWong So, as a true Linux luser, you have the ``weird'' urge to waste tons of your time while making 0 bucks from it.
      Nothing weird about that: such urges are ackchyually *the norm* for Linux lusers.

    • @jamesjacob9632
      @jamesjacob9632 4 месяца назад

      @@exnihilonihilfit6316 im glad i got out of it

    • @VioletRM
      @VioletRM 4 месяца назад +42

      So, as a true victim of capitalism, this mf wants to shit on someone having a fun passion filled idea just because they probably wouldn't make a lot of symbolic paper for it

    • @teyzen6921
      @teyzen6921 4 месяца назад +7

      Never tried arch but isn't nixos harder ?

  • @qweriop
    @qweriop 4 месяца назад +398

    i still feel like he went soft on manjaro

    • @vaisakh_km
      @vaisakh_km 4 месяца назад +33

      it's a great distro
      from bottom

    • @ahmadhassan90590
      @ahmadhassan90590 4 месяца назад +6

      @@vaisakh_km 😂 insane

    • @SaHaRaSquad
      @SaHaRaSquad 3 месяца назад +15

      I have no strong opinion on Manjaro because I couldn't actually test it more than 15 minutes before it broke itself.

    • @grain9640
      @grain9640 3 месяца назад +8

      I use Manjaro solely because I like the icon and think it's cool, and some of the default wallpapers are awesome... love that cyan and black color scheme
      Anyway, lightDM keeps shitting itself every third time I pacman -Syyu and I have to reinstall it or else type startx when I login with TTY which breaks some things

    • @vaisakh_km
      @vaisakh_km 3 месяца назад +14

      @@grain9640 wow, your decision making skills are.... interesting

  • @BeefyBoy909
    @BeefyBoy909 4 месяца назад +367

    hyped for the two hour primegen reaction

    • @frostiefops
      @frostiefops 4 месяца назад +9

      real

    • @averagegeek3957
      @averagegeek3957 3 месяца назад +9

      hyped for him forgetting to turn off alerts

    • @nymusicman
      @nymusicman 3 месяца назад

      @@averagegeek3957 Welcome to Costco, I love you!

    • @abiofficial-ws7pn
      @abiofficial-ws7pn 3 месяца назад +4

      Reactions are lazy af

    • @veeloth
      @veeloth Месяц назад +1

      @@abiofficial-ws7pn nu-uh, the dull thing most youtubers call reaction is lazy, prime actually reacts to things, when he reacts to a video he gives his opinion about each part so in the end he ends up making 20 minute long reaction videos to 5 minute long videos like these

  • @Gustavo-wh1rd
    @Gustavo-wh1rd 4 месяца назад +100

    "Their solution to expires SSL certificates was to literally roll back the clock"
    I didnt know the company that i work mantain manjaro

    • @coopercummings8370
      @coopercummings8370 3 месяца назад +32

      The Manjaro maintainers have made decisions so dumb that they managed to break other distros 3 times. Manjaro is so unstable not even not running Manjaro can save you from Manjaro breaking.

    • @joey_f4ke238
      @joey_f4ke238 3 месяца назад

      @@coopercummings8370 Back in the that i remember having it as my almost go-to pick when choosing a distro, as i used to have less problems than most other distros... but long gone are those days

    • @Fluffy_Cha0s
      @Fluffy_Cha0s 2 месяца назад

      @@coopercummings8370 I need to know what and how it happened, mind sharing source on that? google doesnt pull up anything revelant.

    • @lythd
      @lythd 25 дней назад

      @@coopercummings8370 wait what i need to know the context behind this what were those 3 times lol

    • @coopercummings8370
      @coopercummings8370 25 дней назад +4

      @@lythd for two of those, the context is they develop a GUI package manager tool called pamac. On two occasions they failed to adequately test their changes and made it so whenever a user attempted to search for an AUR package it would send hundreds or thousands of requests to the AUR servers, so when the software was released they accidentally DDOSed the AUR. If you were running any arch based distro, even if it wasn't Manjaro and updated your system while the unintentional DDOS was ongoing it could cause a partial upgrade, which can cause all kinds of problems on your system. The other time Manjaro developers pulled the latest development build of asahi for Mac support instead a proper release without checking with the developers whether it actually worked and pushed a broken kernel.

  • @zytr0x108
    @zytr0x108 4 месяца назад +96

    2:14 „You really wanna use an OS by a guy that uses EMACS?“
    Linus fucking Torvalds:

  • @kxndril-yt
    @kxndril-yt 4 месяца назад +192

    Holy true
    Fedora with the absence of redditors is a really solid distro

    • @CheesyCore
      @CheesyCore 4 месяца назад +15

      Fedora is still like the fourth most popular distro in unixporn after arch, debian and nix

    • @happygofishing
      @happygofishing 3 месяца назад +4

      r*eddit.

    • @IdAefixBE
      @IdAefixBE 3 месяца назад +1

      It is very solid, but SELinux is such a pain to work with...
      Arch legitimately comes out easier to me for this alone.

    • @theviniso
      @theviniso 3 месяца назад +4

      Fedora just works. Been running it for about 3 years now, no regrets whatsoever.

    • @CppDemon
      @CppDemon Месяц назад +2

      In my opinion it has the best package manager out of all distros

  • @abdoun8214
    @abdoun8214 4 месяца назад +98

    dunno man, distro doesnt matter . It doesnt define your personality or your life style.. as long as it serves your purpose , that's all what matters . After all its Linux+Gnu+FOSS with a desktop environment , i use arch btw.

    • @WilliamLandry-ul5ns
      @WilliamLandry-ul5ns 4 месяца назад +23

      "i use arch btw" 💀least thing to say when you wanna show that you're normal 😂jk

    • @abdoun8214
      @abdoun8214 3 месяца назад +7

      @@WilliamLandry-ul5ns least thing a linux user says even if they arent using Arch xd

    • @ag1015
      @ag1015 3 месяца назад +6

      I see distros like a tool, you want to dig? Use a shovel
      You want to mine? Use a pickaxe
      You want to build? Use ...
      And so on.
      You cant dig with a pickaxe or build using a shovel, each tool has its uses
      Arch is great for trying out new software
      Mint is great for daily driving
      Pop is great for gaming and daily driving
      Debian is great for servers not so much for daily driving
      Nixos is great for devs and people who like coding most other people will get lost in it
      So there isnt really a good or bad dystro just like there isnt a good or bad tool, you cant say arch is better than mint just like you cant say the axe is better than a shovel
      ...exept for manjaro that is, its like a stick in tool terminology, useless for every single job

    • @poppy-vo2dp
      @poppy-vo2dp 3 месяца назад +5

      @@ag1015hey man like minecraft

    • @ag1015
      @ag1015 3 месяца назад +2

      @@poppy-vo2dp exactly

  • @wolveric0
    @wolveric0 3 месяца назад +64

    I've been running Mint for the last 4 months after trying to migrate from windows 10 to Ubuntu 4 times in the past and i have to say... i'm home brothers, Mint is the way.

    • @ag1015
      @ag1015 3 месяца назад +7

      Great for you man!
      I agree, ubuntu is pretty shitty and mint is just objectively better and doesnt force stuff like snap on you
      Do be careful though some people in the linux community really hate mint just for the sake of hating it especially people who use arch and dont actually know what they are doing
      Hope your linux journy goes well!

    • @Violent_Combustion
      @Violent_Combustion 3 месяца назад +6

      I started at Linux Mint, went as far as Fedora, Arch, and Manjaro. Turns out, they are all basically the same operating system, but Linux Mint values your time.

    • @ag1015
      @ag1015 3 месяца назад

      @@Violent_Combustion i wouldn't say they are the exact same but they are all Linux its to be expected that they are similar, the big difference is the defaults, how you install them and the package manager you use
      mint has everything ready to go with good defaults and a decently good package manager
      as for arch you basically start from scratch, download everything yourself and maintain your install yourself arch does have one of the best package managers though
      since you're trying out different distros i recommend giving openSUSE tumbleweed a try, for me it feels like a middle ground between mint's ease of use and arch's customizability and newer packages

    • @TylerInTraining
      @TylerInTraining 3 месяца назад +1

      Mint was my first and I adored the experience. The only reason I switched to Garuda was for the sake of something more adventurous but I would recommend Mint to anyone, especially if all they're doing is daily driving. At this point I can think of zero reason why anyone should use Mac or Windows for simple web surfing and email checks beyond them choosing not to think.

    • @theviniso
      @theviniso 3 месяца назад +5

      I installed it in my dad's old laptop which was unsupported by Windows by now. It brought that machine back to life, it's a thing of beauty.

  • @Aestareth_
    @Aestareth_ 3 месяца назад +7

    I love Manjaro. It attracts nerds who want to be cool and different but who are too scared to use Arch, and then it gives them a genuinely worse and more complicated user experience

  • @MrDowntemp0
    @MrDowntemp0 4 месяца назад +187

    Hate to break it to you, but Patrick Bateman isn't any sort of Lawful.

    • @qapplor
      @qapplor 4 месяца назад +8

      Maybe for Asian guys he is?

    • @bumpsy
      @bumpsy 4 месяца назад +2

      or isn't he? We'll never know...

    • @deusexaethera
      @deusexaethera 3 месяца назад +14

      Malicious compliance is still _technically_ compliance.

    • @stupidjaosn
      @stupidjaosn 3 месяца назад

      ​@@deusexaetheradidn't he commit several cold blooded murders and take pleasure in them?

    • @felixjohnson3874
      @felixjohnson3874 2 месяца назад

      Was this all legal? Fucking absolutely.

  • @jimjam742
    @jimjam742 3 месяца назад +23

    everybody gangsta till the debian lads pull up with sid, it has a graphical installer *and* the instability of Arch
    truly the best of both worlds

    • @stupidDKS
      @stupidDKS 11 дней назад

      I read this comment in a British accent

  • @spicytuna62
    @spicytuna62 2 месяца назад +7

    I drive a 90s car. Very little smart home stuff in my house. After installing a newer thermostat, I kept the old one (that still functions) just in case. I game on a Nintendo Wii when I feel like it. I cook in a cast iron skillet. My entire movie and music library also exist physically on optical media. Since installing Debian, my PC has never crashed. There is a convenience with simple things that do not break.

  • @Millweed
    @Millweed 4 месяца назад +29

    I watched the video just to see if Manjaro would take the chaotic evil slot.

    • @markh.6687
      @markh.6687 2 месяца назад +2

      Manjaro was briefly lauded for 'making Arch user-friendly'. Boy, that disintegrated quickly!

  • @earthling_parth
    @earthling_parth 4 месяца назад +20

    Fedora getting the love it deserves ❤

  • @GilBoewer
    @GilBoewer 2 месяца назад +1

    Dude you unironically have one of the best effortless flows in content creation. Watching your videos just fills me with ease and the jokes are also really on point.

  • @sprinklednights
    @sprinklednights 4 месяца назад +91

    Void Linux not mentioned.

    • @trajectoryunown
      @trajectoryunown 4 месяца назад +26

      Void needs a larger repo, something comparable to the AUR.
      If they had that and dropped pulseaudio, I'd go back.
      Void Linux was the best OS I've ever used, hands down, but the lack of software and dreadful default audio solution are massive points against it.

    • @sprinklednights
      @sprinklednights 4 месяца назад +16

      @@trajectoryunown Hot take: Void Linux doesn't need a larger repo. I personally found the selection of packages in Void Linux to be better than the ones on Arch Linux (excluding the AUR). I personally don't like the AUR, which is why I prefer Void Linux in that regard.
      Also, they don't drop PulseAudio, you drop it since Void Linux supports ALSA, PulseAudio, and PipeWire. Void Linux even has a page for setting up PipeWire. I think you are talking about the packages from the live installer, which uses PulseAudio by default, however, like I said, you can remove it.

    • @trajectoryunown
      @trajectoryunown 4 месяца назад +7

      @sprinklednights You're not wrong. Void has a great selection relative to most Debian-based distros. I think it's roughly comparable to Fedora last I checked.
      I just doesn't have everything I want. I'm the kind of guy who installs and uninstalls a half dozen programs before settling on something, so the AUR is perfect for me.
      As far as pulse goes, that's additional effort I don't personally care for at this time. I _could_ make due with Void by building any missing software from the source, but if I'm going that route anyway I'd rather take Gentoo out for a spin.
      All that aside, Void Linux was _by far_ the fastest, most responsive, and genuinely enjoyable computing experience I've had. I highly recommend trying it to anyone who distro hops.

    • @borremoonkey
      @borremoonkey 4 месяца назад

      ​@trajectoryunown
      Last time I tested it, they had pipewire as default and I never found much issue with their repo size, at least 90% of what I wanted was in there. But on a related side note, devs have some beef with wanting to include hyprland

    • @trajectoryunown
      @trajectoryunown 4 месяца назад

      @@borremoonkey Dope. Pipewire was actually my biggest complaint. Ditto on the 90%, but that's still not all of it.
      So now I've gotta find out if this political nonsense has infected Void too!?
      😮‍💨When will it end?

  • @laughingvampire7555
    @laughingvampire7555 3 месяца назад +13

    NixOS is everything Gentoo wants to be when it grows up.

    • @FrankBailey-mg9uo
      @FrankBailey-mg9uo 2 месяца назад

      insufferably politically correct and pro LGBTQABIPOC++ and DEI infused?

  • @bumblingberry
    @bumblingberry Месяц назад +4

    Debian itself: Lawful Neutral
    Debian's torture dungeon of a website layout: Chaotic Evil

  • @keleoto
    @keleoto 4 месяца назад +104

    I'd say Manjaro sits on the "Separate Alignment": Chaotic Stupid - the one reserved for murder-hobos in DnD.
    You'd need a new Chaotic Evil. :D

    • @GresSimJa
      @GresSimJa 4 месяца назад +17

      Something something, RedHat?

    • @keleoto
      @keleoto 4 месяца назад +3

      @@GresSimJa With how messed up they manage their downstreams? Prolly🤷

    • @mytech6779
      @mytech6779 3 месяца назад +3

      @@GresSimJa RH is not that chaotic but certainly evil

    • @samconnelly7630
      @samconnelly7630 3 месяца назад +3

      @@mytech6779 Technically lawful evil. Just because it is lawful doesn't mean it is good.

    • @felixjohnson3874
      @felixjohnson3874 2 месяца назад +1

      Oh my god, thats it, that's the third alignment dimension; stupidity.
      Think about it, Austin Powers, Stupid Chaotic Good. Dr. Evil, Stupid Chaotic Evil. Tony Stark, Smart Neutral Good. Thanos, Smart Lawful Evil. Captain America, Average Lawful Good. Batman, Smart Neutral Good. Darkseid, Smart Neutral Evil.
      It fits too fucking well to not be it, the third dimension of alignment is stupid.

  • @isaacalves6846
    @isaacalves6846 4 месяца назад +39

    I installed ubuntu 9 years ago and never bothered to change

  • @durikke2
    @durikke2 4 месяца назад +17

    Luke Smith The Legend Mentioned.

    • @Winnetou17
      @Winnetou17 4 месяца назад +1

      Mental Outlaw too!

  • @maddsua
    @maddsua 4 месяца назад +93

    debian mentioned ☝☝☝

    • @exnihilonihilfit6316
      @exnihilonihilfit6316 4 месяца назад

      You're a walking cliche, NPC.

    • @Petrisha
      @Petrisha 4 месяца назад

      hear hear!

    • @salgadosp
      @salgadosp 3 месяца назад +1

      It will always be mentioned anyways

    • @LJCG777
      @LJCG777 3 месяца назад +4

      Because it's so good wahooo!​@@salgadosp

    • @theviniso
      @theviniso 3 месяца назад

      I've never used Debian but I respect the hell out of it.

  • @desertdude540
    @desertdude540 4 месяца назад +20

    FreeBSD on the desktop, OpenBSD on the server, NetBSD on some 40 year old meme machine.

    • @theviniso
      @theviniso 3 месяца назад +8

      BSD is for people who think Linux is too mainstream

    • @ArchLars
      @ArchLars 25 дней назад

      In my head I am a Gentoo user, in my professional life I am a Fedora user, but in my heart....
      I am a TempleOS user...

  • @EbonySaints
    @EbonySaints 3 месяца назад +3

    As a Debian user, that Toyota comparison is about as spot on as it gets. It just werks and the literal decades of development means that it has a vast library of packages for just about everything you need. You actively have to try to break it... unless you're running Wi-Fi with non-free firmware. Then you have to make a trip to the package website and try to download the right one. 😅
    But yeah, it has never treated me wrong and I wouldn't give it up for anything.

  • @callyral
    @callyral 3 месяца назад +4

    As a NixOS user, NixOS makes the Arch learning curve look like a flat line

    • @k.b.tidwell
      @k.b.tidwell Месяц назад

      Nix is right on par with Gentoo in my tiny little unread book for the amount of life sucking it will do.

  • @2Kaleb
    @2Kaleb 4 месяца назад +32

    1:07 "Drink two liters every day kinda LAWFUL" 😂😂😂😂😂

  • @AxeDatcm
    @AxeDatcm 2 месяца назад +2

    The true chaotic evil here is you mentioning the grid in weird order

  • @go_better
    @go_better 4 месяца назад +73

    Missed opportunity to review Red Star Linux

    • @IshayuG
      @IshayuG 4 месяца назад +17

      Now there’s your chaotic evil.

    • @perfect-death4284
      @perfect-death4284 4 месяца назад +10

      @@IshayuG Still better than windows smh frfr

    • @IshayuG
      @IshayuG 4 месяца назад +2

      @@perfect-death4284 I mean… now you’re stretching it. 🤣

    • @awesomethegreatamazing2651
      @awesomethegreatamazing2651 4 месяца назад +2

      @@IshayuGnot if your willing to change things and actually make it non-evil. Tbf however, since that takes a lot of time, effort, and know-how, it’s fair to call it a stretch.

    • @IshayuG
      @IshayuG 4 месяца назад +3

      @@awesomethegreatamazing2651 The stretch is the notion of calling Microsoft more evil than North Korea.

  • @JohnnyThund3r
    @JohnnyThund3r 4 месяца назад +29

    Manjaro is definitely chaotic evil... but I would still probably recommend it to new users over pure Arch. At least when getting started with Linux.

    • @oleg4966
      @oleg4966 4 месяца назад +17

      Why on Earth would you recommend Manjaro to beginners? Rolling-release distros, no matter how much extra stuff you wrap them in, are still a solution for hobbyists only: people who know what they're signing up for and know why they're doing that.
      Ordinary users simply don't have the patience to deal with package conflicts: they need a stable solution that gets set up once and works for a few years.

    • @JohnnyThund3r
      @JohnnyThund3r 4 месяца назад

      @@oleg4966 Only for new users who really wanna use Arch.

    • @JansHeikkinen
      @JansHeikkinen 4 месяца назад +3

      Not sure what oleg's going on about considering the rolling release aspect is *not* the part that makes Arch Linux high-maintenance, but I do agree that Manjaro isn't a good beginner distro. Nowadays, there are plenty of other Arch-derived distros that work far better than Manjaro whilst being beginner-friendly that I'd recommend long before Manjaro.

    • @Ballissle
      @Ballissle 4 месяца назад +20

      If you are going to recommend an arch distro with rolling release to beginners, i can only think of endeavourOS

    • @LazarNaskov
      @LazarNaskov 4 месяца назад

      @@Ballissle I went from Debian to endevourOS, and from there to vanilla Arch and I still think endeavourOS is one of the better distros out there. It takes the edge off of Arch while still giving you the power to destroy your PC, which is the real reason any of us use Arch :)
      Also, when getting a friend to try Linux (moving from Windows of course), he went through Fedora and Mint before ending up with endevourOS. He's been there for a few months now and seems to really like it. Heck, at some point I might just switch back to endevourOS from vanilla Arch just because of how easy it makes some things!

  • @tacticat5041
    @tacticat5041 3 месяца назад +2

    As a gentoo user I can say that chaotic good is the perfect category for it

  • @urlhnd
    @urlhnd 4 месяца назад +19

    this chart could use some variety
    out of 9 spots, 4 are taken by debian based distros and aren’t tood different from each other

    • @heidebaer41
      @heidebaer41 4 месяца назад +40

      Gotta be distros that people actually use

    • @urlhnd
      @urlhnd 4 месяца назад +1

      @@heidebaer41 people actually use pop!_os? they haven't had a new release in 2 years

    • @Randomperson40572
      @Randomperson40572 3 месяца назад +6

      Honestly the 4 Debian distros all have pretty different goals. They feel pretty different. But yeah I agree I'd like more variety

    • @beginanewt
      @beginanewt 3 месяца назад +3

      To be fair as long as we are focusing on distros that most people know it was probably hard to keep it down to 4 debian distros

    • @theviniso
      @theviniso 3 месяца назад +1

      Expanded 5x5 Linux distro alignment chart when

  • @NathanielWyatt
    @NathanielWyatt 3 месяца назад +6

    Manjaro has been a great experience for me. Not sure why everyone hates it.

  • @TopTierTales-ux4se
    @TopTierTales-ux4se 3 месяца назад +3

    I like debian, it works, it's simple. I can concentrate on working and getting things done.

  • @giorgiok8864
    @giorgiok8864 4 месяца назад +18

    Tbh Arch has an install script now. And the community is friendlier than people say :)

    • @gorrumKnight
      @gorrumKnight 4 месяца назад +4

      Of course we are! As long as they rtfm. 😉

    • @ME0WMERE
      @ME0WMERE 3 месяца назад +4

      the archinstall script seems like the antithesis to arch itself. The whole point is spending time learning how the installation works so you have a better understanding of your system, which allows you to fix it when it breaks. I've bricked my arch install more than once but I've never needed to reinstall because I could always fix it. How? I originally installed arch manually and continued learning from there.

    • @ag1015
      @ag1015 3 месяца назад +1

      Ehh, depends people who i met from arch are really horrible people who dont even know how to do anything on arch, the real arch community who do know their stuff are awesome people though

    • @mauicez5040
      @mauicez5040 3 месяца назад

      @@ME0WMERE 100% admit i never have done an install of arch from the command line but even then if something breaks and you can still get to your logs ... just read the logs and they'll start pointing you to the problem... that's the issue i have with a lot of the customers at my job, they just don't review their logs when they encounter an issue which 90% of the time is just a module failing to start or a typo in their fstab pointing to something that doesn't exist etc.
      even when my PC was having random shutdowns while gaming, turned out after reviewing the log it was the hot spot temperature on my 6800XT going to 105c+ (fresh out the box so though i could get away from needing to paste it for 6 months but couldn't) legit logs are everything. and if something is borked borked, just get googlin and reviewing documentation

    • @theviniso
      @theviniso 3 месяца назад

      I really like archinstall. It's so damn simple.

  • @jpboykin9672
    @jpboykin9672 3 месяца назад

    As a gamer and linux user, I have to say this is an awesome summary for distributions. Funny and it inspires people to take a look at the different distros. Thanks.

  • @srijanraghavula
    @srijanraghavula 4 месяца назад +14

    Nix os is hard mode for the os for people who like to rice their os before using

    • @opposite342
      @opposite342 4 месяца назад +2

      Your .config is changeable still, but the problem is everyone is adamant on using flake and home-manager which adds a learning curve

    • @samconnelly7630
      @samconnelly7630 3 месяца назад

      @@opposite342 I avoid home-manager on my system, but I use flakes. I also turn some of the stuff I use into flakes. Crappy assembly programs I wrote? Nix flake. A program someone else wrote in Rust? Nix flake. My OS config? Nix flake. The universe? Nix flake.

  • @panxogaming1782
    @panxogaming1782 4 месяца назад +24

    I'd say Arch has two stages. Chaotic neutral is when you're learning to install and maintain it. Things usually go south when typing wrong or lack of knowledge. Get pass that point and even the most veteran Debian users will be jealous of how stable and easy to use the thing really is.

    • @xenio8736
      @xenio8736 4 месяца назад +6

      So true,
      Also if the learning curve is enough to make it evil then NixOS has the biggest steepest hardest learning curve of the bunch

    • @Winnetou17
      @Winnetou17 4 месяца назад

      @@xenio8736 More than Gentoo ? (which I feel is higher, a bit, than Arch is)

    • @geolod
      @geolod 4 месяца назад +4

      ​@@Winnetou17I run both Gentoo and Arch and in my opinion they have the same complexity, they are just diffirent, so that's it. For me real steep learning curve of a distro are Alpine and LFS. Why LFS is here sounds obvious, Alpine is hard since it's not GNU, which makes it feel strange. Though every distro is great

    • @couscousdude2991
      @couscousdude2991 4 месяца назад

      @@Winnetou17 The learning curve is similar or probably even higher than Gentoo, but the difficulties on NixOS versus the difficulties on Gentoo and Arch are kind of fundamentally different. NixOS is not really like any other distro besides GNU Guix. I put Arch and Gentoo in mostly the same category - they're the same linux you know, you just have get your hands dirtier in deeper parts of the system. Gentoo is just a bit harder because of relatively more obscurity and the whole "compile everything from source" thing. The learning curve mainly comes from just having to get used to reading the manual and getting comfortable with writing, understanding, and debugging shell commands. Once you get good at that, I'd argue they're actually fairly easy distros (at least Arch has been, in my experience). Just `paru -Syyu` every few days, `paru -S` to install a package, and head to the wiki to fix any issue.
      NixOS is different from other Linux distributions at a fundamental level. It's actually much easier to get started. It comes with a graphical live installer cd with GNOME or KDE, and a Calamares GUI installer that anyone can use to quickly partition out a disk and get GNOME or KDE running with everything mostly working. The thing is, NixOS takes the idea of "declarative configuration" to the extreme. This means that instead of configuring your system imperatively by running shell commands, everything is configured as specified in "derivations", basically configuration files written in the Nix programming language. This is the biggest difference that people hopping from other "normal" distros have to get used to.
      I'll give a really simple example that everyone goes through when setting up a system. When installing git on Arch, the process is typically like this: first you install git using pacman, then you need to run `git config --global user.name ` and `git config --global user.email ` to finish setting things up. You've *imperatively* configured git by running those config commands. In NixOS, this is not possible as the git config is read-only. You need to specify all configuration in your derivation.
      ```
      programs.git = {
      enable = true;
      userName = "username";
      userEmail = "email";
      delta.enable = true;
      extraConfig = {
      init.defaultBranch = "main";
      commit.gpgsign = "true";
      user.signingkey = "GPG KEY";
      };
      };
      ```
      Here's roughly how my git config looks. By the way, I never manually run any installation command. I simply add this line to my system configuration files and then run the single command: `nixos-rebuild switch`. This parses the derivation and it understands that by enabling `programs.git`, it needs to fetch `pkgs.git` from nixpkgs. It then configures git automatically according to the settings I've specified. My system is also _immutable_ , in that the previous version of my system, without git, is still kept as a "generation". The rebuild command creates a _new_ generation, one with git enabled and the configuration I've set up. Each `nixos-rebuild` will not affect the current system, it simply creates a new generation. You can move between generations freely as long as you do not garbage collect them.
      As you've noticed by now, this is a very non-standard way of doing things and certainly not mentioned anywhere in the git documentation. This is a common occurrence on NixOS, as its design philosophy means it has its own way of doing almost everything - whether that be configuring secure boot, OpenSSH, or even your .bashrc (I have never manually edited a .bashrc file on my NixOS machine). This means you may not be able to use some or all of the documentation provided by the official developers of a program, and need to figure out the Nix way, which is sometimes not well documented at all.
      This is why I say the learning curve is greater than Gentoo's. It's much easier to initially set up a system and a desktop and start using it, but as soon as you start trying to configure things, you first have to learn a programming language (a functional language, at that. If you're not used to Haskell and friends, the syntax will seem very idiosyncratic and difficult to understand, even with a strong programming background). Then, you need to figure out the "Nix way" of doing everything, and understand what you can do on other distros that you cannot do on NixOS. Especially when you start getting into more obscure programs that there isn't an official Nix/NixOS integration for, you may have to get in the weeds and write your own Nix code to integrate them with your system.
      The benefit of this is that, given the same system derivation (configuration files), you will receive the exact same system, down to the exact dependency versions and the way they were compiled. This is not possible on most other distros, where you will need to either maintain a massive unwieldy shell script or write down the commands you used to configure your system the way you like it. This is one of the primary benefits of Nix, the other being atomic rollbacks - it's very difficult to break your system, because if you accidentally brick your desktop or your startup sequence, you can just go in the bootloader and rollback to a previous generation instantly. Or if you want to test something like a new desktop environment, you can use git to version your configuration files and you can be sure that the new desktop won't conflict with or interfere with your previous one, and you can rollback the changes at any time. I can generate an installer ISO from my current machine that will set up a new computer exactly as mine is configured right now (keep in mind this is not a disk image. It is a full, bona fide installer, that takes all the actions a normal installer does, but it installs my own configuration in the process). You get all of these features for free when using NixOS, whereas in other distros you need to maintain large scripts and programs prone to breakage to achieve the same things.

    • @frostiefops
      @frostiefops 4 месяца назад

      @@geolod i'd agree with this - i'd say gentoo is a bit more complex than arch but it has such a good manual that it's not really any harder.
      LFS wasn't too much harder than gentoo to install for me - again the installation book is really good. Definitely a lot harder to use than the other two though

  • @abdullahbinnur5592
    @abdullahbinnur5592 4 месяца назад +18

    0:16 BANGLADESH MENTIONED!!!!!!!!!

  • @ThatoneNB12
    @ThatoneNB12 3 месяца назад +5

    I switched from manjaro to endeavourOS and never looked back.

    • @ag1015
      @ag1015 3 месяца назад

      Well, endeavour isnt that great but its certantly better than manjaro by miles

  • @bentos117
    @bentos117 2 месяца назад +1

    penguin in thumbnail still doesn't have popped-enough eyes

  • @Rood67
    @Rood67 4 месяца назад +1

    My AD&D group said I was CN, and so is my distro of choice.
    This was like a warm hug from an angry grizzly bear

    • @ismbks
      @ismbks 4 месяца назад

      Sure, but DN is better

  • @kylefratini2833
    @kylefratini2833 2 месяца назад

    a fun tip for anyone trying to game on Linux. you can boot up steam and go to the settings icon for the individual titles of the games you want to play, select properties, then go to compatibility, then force compatibility with proton. all you gotta do is check the box, then you're good to go. I can't guarantee it'll work with every game, or every distro as I've only used mint, but it's been nice since most of my library was closed off to me save for Valves games and a couple indie titles and sonic frontiers.

  • @NanomachineExE
    @NanomachineExE 2 месяца назад

    I respect three distro:
    Intermediate distro: kubuntu
    Advanced Distro: CachyOS
    Inoffensive beginner distro: Mint

  • @DouglasSantos-lw5sp
    @DouglasSantos-lw5sp 4 месяца назад +4

    "you really want to use an OS made by a guy that uses emac's ?" this hits hard kkkkkk

  • @zeckma
    @zeckma 4 месяца назад +8

    If LFS was on this list, it'd just be more chaotic than Gentoo. But those who use it are seen as the wisest yet most daring of the Linux community. Think of them as wise but powerful dragons, kinda like Paarthurnax from Skyrim but he's up in the Throat of the World cross compiling MinGW-w64-GCC for fun.

    • @yippy7951
      @yippy7951 4 месяца назад +1

      I've heard that LFS is easier than Gentoo because it's just copy pasting commands instead of needing to read up on documentation and learn how things work to make decisions and customize the system to your preferences in Gentoo.

    • @zeckma
      @zeckma 4 месяца назад +3

      @yippy7951 Gentoo is much, much easier, with fewer things to go wrong and less that needs to be done. LFS is fundamentally more complicated because you are cross compiling and building some packages more than once, and have to run multiple commands each for about 80-100 packages for just a basic install, and this isn't considering multilib and BLFS... or Steam + Wine support, that's a whole other can of worms... Not only that, but with LFS, you're basically sitting at in front of your computer at all times and can take more than 6 hours for a basic install. So, not only is it more complicated, but it's also way more of a test of patience. With Gentoo, you could probably eat dinner or something while updating world. With LFS, you can eat dinner after you're done with LFS. Lastly, you really have to read the text to know what you're doing, and there's a whole lot of it. Gentoo IMO is a cakewalk in comparison.

    • @yippy7951
      @yippy7951 4 месяца назад

      @@zeckma Is it worth doing? Do you prefer LFS or do you use something else?

    • @zeckma
      @zeckma 4 месяца назад +4

      @@yippy7951 The process for me is its own reward. It's very fun to do and feels like an actual achievement by the end. It's a great learning tool that kinda changes your perspective of how a distro is set up and how you can make one yourself. It basically gives you that power and knowledge to do just about anything.
      And yup, I prefer it and have been using it for over a year now. Then again I'm on the spectrum which is a big factor lmao

    • @yippy7951
      @yippy7951 4 месяца назад

      @@zeckma Thanks!
      It sounds like fun, maybe I'll install it on my thinkpad or something

  • @robotron1236
    @robotron1236 3 месяца назад

    I started on manjaro and went to arch about 6 months later and I've found both to be super simple. I actually really like manjaro, I still use it for my pentesting VM's in place of kali, the whole holding back packages thing works out really well. I also use it on all of my laptops, only my desktop runs arch and my thinkpad dualboots manjaro and arch. I use Manjaro for school. It's simple, stays up to date with stability, and it just works.

  • @mihindissanayake
    @mihindissanayake 4 месяца назад +21

    That sharp ending tho. "I am bigbo-"

    • @somfierce
      @somfierce 4 месяца назад

      noise gate going crazy

  • @xugro
    @xugro 3 месяца назад +4

    Watching this while installing Linux From Scratch :D

    • @samconnelly7630
      @samconnelly7630 3 месяца назад

      Gentoo is just Linux From Scratch with extra steps.

  • @LovePoison23443
    @LovePoison23443 4 месяца назад +9

    Heh, so im chaotic evil. Like the sound of that

  • @terry2295
    @terry2295 3 месяца назад +3

    Solus is most definitely true neutral, it simply exists in its own small bubble doing its own thing

    • @Sithhy
      @Sithhy 3 месяца назад +1

      Other than the issue it had last year... but since then it's been better than ever

    • @theviniso
      @theviniso 3 месяца назад +1

      ​@@Sithhy That's nice to hear. I am a former Solus user but it served me well and I will always have a soft spot for it.

  • @i.s.d9932
    @i.s.d9932 3 месяца назад +1

    that indian, pakistani, and bangladeshi joke picked my attention as i am a bangladeshi myself

  • @Plexdet
    @Plexdet 4 месяца назад +2

    I can’t wait for prime to react to this because prime mentioned.

  • @Claude_Developer
    @Claude_Developer 3 месяца назад

    Great work! love your content. Keep it up!

  • @sereneorb
    @sereneorb 2 месяца назад

    So happy that God wanted to me use Linux Mint XFCE. Its also my first linux distribution ❤

  • @SlyPearTree
    @SlyPearTree 4 месяца назад +5

    Just as I was thinking about if I should change distro and if so, to what. I decided to stay with Mint.

    • @ag1015
      @ag1015 3 месяца назад +2

      Dont change your distro if you dont have a reason to do so, if mint works stick with it

  • @jaimekurzweg-ne4gc
    @jaimekurzweg-ne4gc 2 месяца назад

    According to this I went from lawful good to lawful neutral to lawful evil. I had a villain arc.

  • @ClemensKatzer
    @ClemensKatzer 4 месяца назад +2

    I am happy with Fedora KDE. Glad to hear it is not classified as evil. Though it *is* owned by Red Hat, so there is reason for scepticism...

  • @VFD3_games
    @VFD3_games 4 месяца назад +2

    I personally like arch mostly for archwiki and rolling release schedule.
    I like having the newest software
    I do not like using derivative projects, because I want to have the power to do more things myself
    while arch derivatives are great, they often lack customisation and for me installing arch is pretty easy
    if anything, I would even recommend this to a person that never used linux for the sole existence of archwiki

    • @ag1015
      @ag1015 3 месяца назад +1

      I agree but the arch wiki applies to all distros and also not everyone wants to maintain their computer regularly, arch can work on a day then completely break the next and requires knowlage to fix it so i wouldn't really reccomend it to a newcomer

    • @VFD3_games
      @VFD3_games 3 месяца назад

      @@ag1015 every single time something broker for nie was due to my pure idiocy

    • @SaHaRaSquad
      @SaHaRaSquad 3 месяца назад +1

      Arch taught me rolling release can be more stable than "stable" distros. Turns out updating just a few packages at a time makes issues rare and the few that pop up are much easier to deal with. In three years the only update problem I had just needed a manual restart of a systemd service. Maybe I'm just unlucky but almost every stable distro I try fails the dist-upgrade in some way.

  • @bsdslacker
    @bsdslacker 4 месяца назад

    Awesome clip, informational and funny, love that style of content

  • @noisetide
    @noisetide Месяц назад +1

    After 7 years of toxic bloated relationship with my ex Office Windows PC, I finally managed to find and settle down with the perfect Distro in a Workstation I enjoy. And now I have a happy family of Thinkpads. 0:29
    PS: I'm secretly Lawful Evil on NixOS

  • @FHangya
    @FHangya 2 месяца назад

    "playing Elden Ring in latin" broke me. well done, ser. well done. Manjaro user here. Also wtf :D

  • @demex4548
    @demex4548 4 месяца назад +2

    youtube recomended it to me after i tried googling how to fix flatpak on my steamdeck lmao

  • @lucasvignolireis8181
    @lucasvignolireis8181 3 месяца назад +1

    happy to be on the nixos part of this chart 😅

  • @brostoevsky22
    @brostoevsky22 3 месяца назад +1

    Running Tuxedo OS, it's basically German Pop!_OS with KDE instead of Gnome. They make great made for Linux laptops as well.

    • @matts8791
      @matts8791 Месяц назад

      Yeah, I can't understand why they didn't just stick to hardware and use PopOS.

  • @zBrain0
    @zBrain0 2 месяца назад

    Chaotic and good. Yeah, thats my Gentoo ❤

  • @justepourlacheruncom8393
    @justepourlacheruncom8393 3 месяца назад +3

    I use manjaro since seven months and I don't know the fuss about it.
    Yes I had some bugs (the clock is one hour late and sometime the boot path is lost) but I think it's more about how I dualbooted my computer than anything.
    When I had an issue I could hask on the forum get quick answers.

    • @grraf1
      @grraf1 2 месяца назад

      Its simple really: there is a 'time lag' between the manjaro repos and the AUR and when folks pull&install stuff from the AUR(by accident or on purpose) it will brick the OS like 90% of the time and just about nobody is willing to help the 'victims' sort&sift trough that entire mess and just get told to install from scratch(you can guess what the average user's reaction to that will be like and consequently theyr willingness to keep using manjaro will be gone)
      As long as folks stay the f' away from AUR & on the stable branch they will end up with a manjaro that runs for years hassle free... i should know as i gave it to plenty of folks and they haven't got a single issues in years...
      As for myself i can handle arch just fine but i certainly haven't got the time nor patience to give&manage it for those around me so to them ill give manjaro with a stern warning to stay away from AUR unless they want to lose everything they got upon a fresh install(they won't know any better and will take the advice seriously)

  • @MisterDevel
    @MisterDevel 4 месяца назад +2

    I use Debian testing. It's pretty good.

  • @skywise8446
    @skywise8446 3 месяца назад

    Loved the avatar the last Airbender nod, on cannonical.

  • @CristobalWatsonHernandez
    @CristobalWatsonHernandez 4 месяца назад +1

    Gotta agree that fedora without reddit is pretty good, even my wife, who didn't even have a regular computer until I bought her one three years ago, is happily using fedora cinnamon and actually prefers it to windows.

  • @Kapanol97
    @Kapanol97 3 месяца назад +4

    I was expecting Kali to be chaotic evil lmao

  • @mikejones7990
    @mikejones7990 2 месяца назад

    I thought the chaotic evil slot would be taken up by Linux From Scratch.

  • @mokurai8233
    @mokurai8233 4 месяца назад +6

    How about OpenSuse Tumbleweed?

    • @w01dnick
      @w01dnick 4 месяца назад

      As a happy Tumbleweed user, I think Chaotic Neutral is the right spot. Maybe Chaotic Good.

    • @ag1015
      @ag1015 3 месяца назад

      Lawful neutral

    • @thebeetalls
      @thebeetalls 3 месяца назад

      It's a tough call since a rolling release is inherently chaotic but Suse has a heavy corporate influence and shouts from the rooftops that it's stable. Decisions decisions...
      Actually, no any distro that ships KDE discover auto-updates enabled but actually only supports upgrades via zipper in CLI has to be chaotic evil.

    • @theviniso
      @theviniso 3 месяца назад

      True neutral, Leap is Lawful Neutral

  • @EduardKaresli
    @EduardKaresli 2 месяца назад +1

    I'd put Zorin OS close to Mint in the sense that "it just works", especially for beginners.
    For getting things done, definitely Debian.

    • @k.b.tidwell
      @k.b.tidwell Месяц назад

      When Mint wouldn't pick up and print from a Canon printer I just bought, I frowned because my lone Windows machine DID instantly hook up neatly with it. Even my Samsung phone did the same thing. I went hopping across my Ventoy drive to find a distro that would hook up Windows-easy and my third try was Zorin. Instant recognition, install, and test page printing. Since the Windows machine will soon move to Garuda or Nobara for gaming, I'll keep Zorin for my printing purposes on that one laptop only because sometimes it's a little TOO much like Windows. Mint is easier to customize.

    • @almircoelhojr.
      @almircoelhojr. 7 дней назад

      Zorin for Neutral good. (Neutral because the installer sometimes doesn't work well)

  • @mariotabali2603
    @mariotabali2603 Месяц назад

    Great video. It reminded me of running sudo pacman -Suuy

  • @arturorochoa9359
    @arturorochoa9359 4 месяца назад +2

    I agree with the gentoo alignment.

  • @Walker956
    @Walker956 4 месяца назад +5

    i thought dnf stood for did not find.

    • @Deimos_Fresh
      @Deimos_Fresh 4 месяца назад +2

      It stands for Duke Nukem Forgotten.

  • @somefrenchguy2091
    @somefrenchguy2091 3 месяца назад +1

    As a chaotic evil individual, I'm using manjaro

  • @nathanmeans1548
    @nathanmeans1548 3 месяца назад

    Chaotic Evil checking in. Though I'm toying with the idea of going back to Slackware...

  • @Kedvespatikus
    @Kedvespatikus 4 месяца назад +1

    Chaotic evil, btw. And I enjoy it.

  • @hugog.cintra2573
    @hugog.cintra2573 4 месяца назад

    "Have the learning curve of playing Elder Ring in latin" got me rolling hahahahhaahah

  • @ayoubnasr1529
    @ayoubnasr1529 3 месяца назад

    Madao Ikari is truly the icon of chaotic evil representation

  • @marjae2767
    @marjae2767 3 месяца назад +5

    Seizure warning at 0:02.

  • @lightechoes
    @lightechoes 4 месяца назад +1

    There’s nothing comforting about Patrick Bateman😂

  • @davixx1995
    @davixx1995 4 месяца назад +1

    The evil part of NixOs for me is definitely the documentation.

  • @sreyas2804
    @sreyas2804 Месяц назад +1

    0:12 Wait... what century are you living in again?

  • @jamesp1389
    @jamesp1389 4 месяца назад +2

    I love big bo

  • @swagmuffin9000
    @swagmuffin9000 4 месяца назад +1

    didn't know that about manjaro's ssl certs. busted out laughing

    • @Winnetou17
      @Winnetou17 4 месяца назад +1

      And if that wasn't enough, it happened two times in a span of 5-6 years.

  • @HiteshSharma.2314
    @HiteshSharma.2314 4 месяца назад +6

    bro understand south asian situation better than me

    • @Coder.tahsin
      @Coder.tahsin 4 месяца назад +2

      He is from Dhaka, Bangladesh 🇧🇩

    • @HiteshSharma.2314
      @HiteshSharma.2314 4 месяца назад

      @@Coder.tahsin ohh, I didn't knew about that

    • @freedomgoddess
      @freedomgoddess 4 месяца назад +1

      @@Coder.tahsin
      yeah but is he bangladeshi?

    • @Coder.tahsin
      @Coder.tahsin 4 месяца назад +1

      @@freedomgoddess probably he engaged with me on primegen twitch streaming in local dialect of Dhaka so that's very unlikely he is not Bangladeshi...

    • @vaisakh_km
      @vaisakh_km 4 месяца назад

      i thought he is indian

  • @JadedWarlock
    @JadedWarlock 3 месяца назад +1

    I don't trust NixOS because I used to know one of the official maintainers IRL. He was also an emacs user that nearly pulled me into the emacs rabbit hole.

  • @hankeaton2085
    @hankeaton2085 4 месяца назад

    Was a corolla driver IRL and switched to debian cause it works.

  • @hariienesharumugam
    @hariienesharumugam 4 месяца назад +1

    Here before Prime's reaction video

  • @drewjaqua2905
    @drewjaqua2905 4 месяца назад

    Love the Ryan the Leader drop lol

  • @patrickweaver1105
    @patrickweaver1105 2 месяца назад

    I think it's more chaotic inscrutable.

  • @goncalopes
    @goncalopes 3 месяца назад

    The fake voice sits perfectly Luke!

  • @Grunfeld
    @Grunfeld 4 месяца назад

    Enjoyed that.

  • @Luna0wl
    @Luna0wl 4 месяца назад +1

    Ngl I use Boot and its pretty nice

  • @tbg07
    @tbg07 4 месяца назад

    Let's prime react to it, you just complimented him after all! 😂

  • @magnusm4
    @magnusm4 3 месяца назад +1

    I'm the evil faction in an MMO every race faction has a quest to mess up and who always loose. And you question "Why do you exist". Yet it does.
    And I love never seeing it on any list or videos, like Vivaldi. It makes it that much better that it's actually a top contender on Linux test videos: Garuda.
    It's super duber duper gamer l33t designed and based on Arch. It has a download for every main desktop look and then some. It even has a KDE called Dr460nized.
    Yet despite putting 110% into look. They have a lot of good performance and design. It's easy, fun and it updates well. I love the aesthetic. It's an odd one out but it has so much.