I'd like to see a comparison of the performance of several Steam Deck Certified games on "SteamOS" vs. on Windows. As my "daily driver" system is Arch/KDE, I wouldn't have to dual boot into Windoze.
Cheapest I could find this for was $420. I think I'd rather spend the money and get a higher end Minisforum or Beelink machine with more and better GPU cores.
Yeah for that price you can buy a Ryzen 5 5600U mini PC with fully upgradable RAM and SSD (you can even found Ryzen 5 5600H if you are lucky with the discount in some marketplace)
@@sihamhamda47 If the $420 is the price, since I can't actually find it for sale just listed for $420 on review sites, I'd rather buy a UM773 Lite with 16GB of RAM and 512GB of storage for $450.
Heck yeah i'd like to see this running Steam OS... in fact I think you should do a shoot out of current mini PC's (4x4's, mini boards) running Steam OS and comparing them to the Deck, Ally, Ayaneo etc.. I'd love a mini gaming pc rig that I can plug into a hotel tv or portable monitor.
Man, I can't keep up with the pace. Almost every day there will be new innovative products coming out with better performance and smaller size. This is a great thing. Looking forward when we'll have 1 card-sized computer to couple with 1 card-sized egpu!
That’s why I keep my Lenovo ThinkCentre M70q Gen2 Core i5-11400T, still running great I can even emulate some PS3 games 😅 I’d love to have something smaller than mine and more powerful but ill keep waiting as every week we have a new mini pc or single board computer coming out.
@@angelsilveren8782I don't get your comment. That's like a what, 2021 machine? If so, it's not like you've had it for "20 years" and still holding on to it.
@@SToad the point is @faidzfahmy5588 mentioned keeping up with the pace of new innovative products , and I know someone who buy a new one almost every months, and managed to resell them. Mine is not that old but I wish i had a more powerful and pocketable/palm size one that I could carry everywhere with me 😊 idk if you got it now but that’s what I mean with keeping my Lenovo M70Q as I only use it for emulation.
@@angelsilveren8782 ohhh alright gotcha! Fair enough. I think it’s hard to keep the pace yeah. I guess one could go under the metric of “what do I want to emulate” and then see if something currently fits the requirements and if it’s not so expensive, like this board is. Otherwise, just waiting a little longer.
That's impressively tiny, I know I'm old because I remember being a teen and my dad got me a 20MB (yes Megabyte lol) RLL Harddrive. And it was much bigger than some of the whole SFF systems with a damn dedicated video this guy reviews lol. I suspect in 30 years people will watch this video and go "Woooow computers use to be the size of credit cards, that's so freakin big"
Indeed. I remember when their name was associated with their gaming PCs a bit and flashy aesthetics, because of their wild neon “LAN Party” boards. This little green thing Seems like a far cry from that and looks industrial.
@@cflynn3684 It's literally listed on DFI's site under "Industrial Motherboards" then 1.8" SBC sub category, so there's a good reason it looks industrial. DFI would agree with your observation.
Man this is definitely something I would buy in a heartbeat if I could. We're kinda needing an alternative to ARM on SoCs anyway, people should just accept x86 isn't going anywhere and will still be the standard for decades to come. Definitely want to see some SteamOS running on that.
@@KingVulpes Good point. Now that we have Intel shoving two types of cores on one CPU, it makes sense to go that way. P and E cores have essentially the same idea IMO as "x86 and ARM cores" on the same die - if you make the E cores as ARM chips instead of x86 and leave the P cores as x86, you essentially have a hybrid. Not sure if that's already the case or if Intel hasn't realized this yet, or maybe the software/firmware part would need some time to conceptually mature to make that work.
Second m.2 with 4 PCIe lanes could be enough to connect eGPU. Pairing it with low profile card like the new 4060 would make for extremely small build. Heck, I hope ETA will test the eGPU on 2 lanes that are already available, they may not bottleneck that bad.
Oh man...DFI. I used to own a DFI x58 motherboard back in the day. Very nice design and a good motherboard overall. I would like to see this sbc run Steam OS. It's probably overall weaker than a Steam Deck.
I had a DFI Lanparty, they were way ahead of the trends. The UV slots when you added a blacklight were stunning. Back then there was no RGB anything, and only a few people had cathode light tubes in their PCs. If DFI hadn't left the consumer market I can only imagine how cool the Lanparty would have got.
@@Bigheadedwon they had a very unique design and colour palettes before the RGB led times. Nowadays all the components have more or less the same black/grey/white aesthetic. Asrock launched a motherboard named "xxx mixer" I think that had different colours and everyone who talked about it thought it was a huge deal.
I must admit, since I discovered the EPYC3000, I fully switched to cheap EPYC3000 hyperconverged clusters with PVE... I always build systems double with some kind of failover. At least 3 epyc3000's would set you back about 100W in use with enough SSD, ram and compute to power several offices. About node prices: the price per node used to be around 1500 euro before COVID-19, but that's now around 1800 for exactly the same hardware. So what's so special about it? The EPYC3000 (or EPYC3201, my favorite) is almost a SoC. It's soldered to the motherboard and it has the same power as the bigger sister in the EPYC line (like the Rome), but just has about 8 cores instead of 16 or 32. Per core these devices are just as fast.
Geez, DFI! That takes me back to my early adulthood. They made great motherboards like the LanParty series. It is a shame that DFI quit the gaming mobo business years ago.
@ETAPRIME your channel has been one of the most informative and right to the point channels I enjoy to watch. 10 out of 10 content and hard work u put in to this.
I always want to have a use case for these little guys, but for any permanent setup, a bigger PC always provides more capability for less, and there's always enough space to put a bigger PC. Then for temporary/mobile use, my phone is always there and does roughly the same thing.
Would you consider doing a video on Universal Tuning Utility ? Explaining the process that you yourself go through to optimise these SBC's & Mini PC's ? That would be useful to many people I think
@@noir-13 Linux at the moment consistently hits higher Vulkan frame rates, file system performance (faster game loading), as well as network IO performance. The overhead of Windows in memory or background CPU usage isn't the concern compared to other systems as it's less than 2X greater, but the peak efficiency of that entire stack of an OS is. It's almost as if Windows in 2023 doesn't lend itself well to hardware testing, especially on unique and embedded hardware.
@noir-13 Linux nearly always outperforms windows when evenly compared. Microsoft testers even admitted that at 30-40%...in a leaked memo back in the late 90's
@@noir-13 From what I know, any Windows after 8.1 performs pretty badly on low-power / embedded CPUs. Linux is a lot easier on system resources, partially through the absence of a built-in AV.
Hey Prime, curious why you refuse to mention prices for most of the electronics you review?... Also, when reviewing these single board pc's i think you should mention how it compares to others, particularly the pi5 and whether or not it would be worth picking up...from the comments I'm seeing, at $420 it's an easy "no" which i think you would agree... I like your reviews and tutorials but i do think you should be more transparent when you're being paid to do them so we know not to expect an unbiased review.
These are sponsor placements and he probably gets money for driving traffic. If he tells you how much it is, you're much less likely to "click through" to find it yourself.
@@JViz I know it's sponsored cause he tends to say the name of the companies that send it to him for review. Regardless, a lot of other tech channels say when the video is actually being sponsored but proclaim that "their review is not based on sponsorship and their opinion are their own." They are not afraid to say the price of the product, it's shortcomings, and whether it's worth it or not... the affiliate links ETA has are simply that, affiliate links which he has to disclose he gets a small fee...a sponsored video is separate. They pay him hundreds of dollars beforehand just to make the video.... Just check Linus tech tips to see how he does it and you'll understand.
@@lexlopez15 Yeah but.. You don't even know who DFI sells to, do you? This isn't for you. This is for industrial systems integrators who put together... Well, anything in the SCADA world. This is meant to live in potentially hot industrial plants, functioning 24/7. It is likely powering a HMI (Human Machine Interface). Aint no way DFI sponsored him lol. Take his reviews for what you will, but throw away the tin foil.
@@jorper2526 go home with that nonsense dude😄, there is no point in reviewing and showing off any type of emulation if he didn't think it was for sale to the public. Besides, I'm not talking about just this product but many others he reviews, he hardly ever says the price or anything bad about them. When he does it's few and far between which is likely not sponsored when it is. You're just assuming what this particular board is used for in which case, again he wouldn't show any type of gameplay for it.
@@lexlopez15 My brother in christ, you simply can't stop reeing over your keyboard. I come from an IT and industrial background. This is either for industrial use, or digital signage (like the computer at McDonalds powering the display). Honestly, he shouldn't review these things because it just leads to a bunch of ignorant comments. And he simply doesn't do an in-depth enough review to find anything bad. His entire schtick is "can it game" and honestly.. Any of these systems can, to the extent he tests. And value is subjective.
Thank you for another great video. Can you PLEASE include in your next videos , at least Geekbench 6. Cinebench would be good too. I know they are not perfect ones, but they are easy to download and run on our computers. This makes for easy comparing between different systems. Knowing how each off these boards/miniPC compares to others is very important. Thank you.
Be interesting to see more AMD based micro SBC's like this, but with a few a extra features. - Dual channel DDR5 8/16gb options - At least one NVME 4.0 slot - At least 2 USB-C ports (one can be for power) - A nice metal case with integrated fan and heatsink (this heat sink looks kinda getto) Appreciate that price would be an issue, but there are people happy to pay more for smaller solutions like this. I'd toss this in my travel bag and use an iPad as the display for it. I think the ideal may well be something like an AMD iteration of a latte panda sigma.
It is funny, the way you look at it, I think the i/o is just perfect. The way I see it, couple of thousands of these and you have a hadoop server that will wipe the floor with the competition by a large margin!
I was thinking how well it'd perform against the steam deck with steam os and glad you had the thought at the end of the video. would love to see a comparison video
The second you mentioned that it was Ryzen based my brain shouted MINI STEAM MACHINE. I'd love to see what this thing can do on something lighter than W11.
The fact that ryzen embedded is still on Zen+ is quite interesting. I mean, there's not really much market for anything that much faster, but something like a little Zen2 Mendocino APU might be better suited to a consumer application. Ryzen Embedded does have other features that are much more marketable for this thing's intended use cases that Mendocino doesn't, but if somebody wants a snappy little low-power computer one of those or an i3 U-class chip will serve them better if only for the more consumer-friendly form factor.
Some of the details of this are a bit of a letdown, but the idea is there a that’s exciting. Ideally when going the same dimensions as a Pi, it would be nice to have the same physical layout of the IO. And the 8GB RAM. For most use cases at that point, may as well go the Pi. But give it time and even if they’re not the go they’ll still put pressure on ARM SBCs to stop being toys
@@mrmotofy yeah I know. For someone who’s performance constrained but not memory constrained that’s great. But for someone like me who doesn’t need a lot of performance but is memory constrained, there’s no gain jumping $320 for the same memory. That’s why I’m saying I like the precedent, it won’t be long before you can grab a credit card size machine with 16 or 32GB. Most wouldn’t even care if it’s DDR4.
Hey ETA! They recently made Visual Pinball X compilable on Linux. I'd love to see a VPX setup using one of these SBCs without all the bloat of Windows! It also can allegedly run on RPi 5 and 4 too!
DFI is the worst to work with. They overcharge for their mobos by 300% market rate. Tried to request a board they "sell" for a project that needed PCI and they quoted $1,200 for a mobo. What a scam.
Great SBC there . I am a fan of AMD. What was the power consumption on idle and while gaming ?Thinking of picking this up for PiHole, Homeassistant in a HA Cluster
@ETA PRIME: you should make an Excel at this point with a few ranking filters for what the strengths (pros/cons) are for each Mini PC you try out. Maybe do OS, processor capability, graphics capability, size, and price?
I think it's entirely possible for them to put a 7840u on this mini PC but they probably don't want it to compete with other handheld PCs belonging to the same product line.
Nice board. Sadly, that 1st generation Zen core does show it's age. Something like this but with a V3000 series APU would be great. As a side note, nice to see that DFI is still around.
Would be nice to compare this with a similar priced mini pc with batocera installed as main os and see how many consoles they can emulate and fps and if you could enable shaders 😁
I don't no it's reasonable for the segment but for something like this and the fact that it doesn't have anything other than emmc storage I would really want to see it around that $199 mark.
You can pick up a 5600g for like $120 these days and build a $400 pc off of it… I just don’t see a huge advantage on a x86 sbc over a micro atx/ itx build, spend the same money and get a better preforming same power drawing pc and you can put it in a pretty small case and have no compromises
These boards are honestly way way to expensive, including the rest of the older range from DFI, for emulation, your better off picking up a 6/7/8th gen USFF machine from Dell/HP/Lenovo for 80 to $150 depending on specs, they usually come with an SSD, ram, bluetooth, wifi, power supply the lot and are still small enough to put under your TV.
Thats a lot more dropped frames then I would like, definitely more than just the initial load in. While it can play it, in less than a minute you had 2000+, that's worth mentioning rather than saying "Just the load in then its fine."
If I am not wrong, at full speed is somewhat similar to a Ryzen 3 2200G. A fully capable desktop pc IMO and considering the size is amazing. I wonder if that m2 port would accept eGPU using a GPD adapter
-Cool video -Cool bracelet, my wife got me a similar one -This DFI SBC, i couldn't even find out how much they're asking for it 🤷🏻♂️ How did you find it and make a video on it and it's nowhere to be sold 😅
Looking at the specs, this is very good for a PoS, but not for neat stuff like tiny Ceph OSD devices. I see no NPU unfortunately. So a device like the Odroid M1 has my preference as it has an NPU, probably is 1/6th of the cost, has comparable cpu power. The GPU really makes this a PoS only. Even for a set top box any arm is better equiped. Maybe thin desktop client where you need to be AMD64.
Imho, given the power consumption and the performance/watt of this ancient 12nm based device no one in his right mind should take this over an APU like a lower end 4500U or 5625U apu. (and at its current price point one buys a minisforum em680 that blows this thing out of the water)
Any Interest In Seeing Steam Os or another Linux Distro running on this thing?
Please do Full Intel Budget Build!
Intel Core i3-12100F
Intel Arc A380
Intel 600p SSD
Intel Wi-Fi Card
16GB RAM
...or, run ChimeraOS
Ubuntu 23.10
I'd like to see a comparison of the performance of several Steam Deck Certified games on "SteamOS" vs. on Windows. As my "daily driver" system is Arch/KDE, I wouldn't have to dual boot into Windoze.
Steam os and something like mint os
Cheapest I could find this for was $420. I think I'd rather spend the money and get a higher end Minisforum or Beelink machine with more and better GPU cores.
find where?
Yeah for that price you can buy a Ryzen 5 5600U mini PC with fully upgradable RAM and SSD (you can even found Ryzen 5 5600H if you are lucky with the discount in some marketplace)
@@AKAtheAActually, going back now and looking, it's listed as $420 on review sites and not for sale any place.
@@sihamhamda47 If the $420 is the price, since I can't actually find it for sale just listed for $420 on review sites, I'd rather buy a UM773 Lite with 16GB of RAM and 512GB of storage for $450.
@@murdock94 I mean, it's a sign -- that you need to be real *high* to buy this. I think.
These SBCs are getting too close to my pc's performance
Heck yeah i'd like to see this running Steam OS... in fact I think you should do a shoot out of current mini PC's (4x4's, mini boards) running Steam OS and comparing them to the Deck, Ally, Ayaneo etc.. I'd love a mini gaming pc rig that I can plug into a hotel tv or portable monitor.
You also need a credit card to get one :) Didn't expect those to cost ~400-500USD.
Man, I can't keep up with the pace. Almost every day there will be new innovative products coming out with better performance and smaller size. This is a great thing. Looking forward when we'll have 1 card-sized computer to couple with 1 card-sized egpu!
That’s why I keep my Lenovo ThinkCentre M70q Gen2 Core i5-11400T, still running great I can even emulate some PS3 games 😅 I’d love to have something smaller than mine and more powerful but ill keep waiting as every week we have a new mini pc or single board computer coming out.
That thing is old as f, but cute tho
@@angelsilveren8782I don't get your comment. That's like a what, 2021 machine? If so, it's not like you've had it for "20 years" and still holding on to it.
@@SToad the point is @faidzfahmy5588 mentioned keeping up with the pace of new innovative products , and I know someone who buy a new one almost every months, and managed to resell them. Mine is not that old but I wish i had a more powerful and pocketable/palm size one that I could carry everywhere with me 😊 idk if you got it now but that’s what I mean with keeping my Lenovo M70Q as I only use it for emulation.
@@angelsilveren8782 ohhh alright gotcha! Fair enough. I think it’s hard to keep the pace yeah. I guess one could go under the metric of “what do I want to emulate” and then see if something currently fits the requirements and if it’s not so expensive, like this board is. Otherwise, just waiting a little longer.
I hope it’s not $1000 bucks 😅
I was thinking this too.
I heard it is around $300+
$419-$520 depenfing on model i think
and that you can actually buy it, the older model was unobtainium for normies 🙃
Cheapest I could find was $420.
This is the beauty of x86. It just works, no need for recompiling the OS or anything like that.
That's impressively tiny, I know I'm old because I remember being a teen and my dad got me a 20MB (yes Megabyte lol) RLL Harddrive. And it was much bigger than some of the whole SFF systems with a damn dedicated video this guy reviews lol.
I suspect in 30 years people will watch this video and go "Woooow computers use to be the size of credit cards, that's so freakin big"
I'm sure desktop sized computers will always be a thing. - the ability to replace and upgrade parts produces a market.
interesting for sure, but with the amazing number of full fledged mini PC options for as low as $200 these days, it seems like a hard sell.
could you give an example of a mini pc less than say $300 that outperforms this please?
@@osbert Yes, I'd also like to see a Mini PC out right now that's $300 and outperforms this.
DFI is a name I haven't heard in forever. I remember them back in the 90s making motherboards for 486 and pentium era computers.
I had a socket 939 motherboard from DFI back in around 2005, I've always just assumed they got bought up by some other company
Indeed. I remember when their name was associated with their gaming PCs a bit and flashy aesthetics, because of their wild neon “LAN Party” boards. This little green thing Seems like a far cry from that and looks industrial.
@@cflynn3684 It's literally listed on DFI's site under "Industrial Motherboards" then 1.8" SBC sub category, so there's a good reason it looks industrial. DFI would agree with your observation.
@@cflynn3684 That's because DFI stopped making consumer hardware, and just started making equipment for industrial use ;)
Would've loved to have seen at least a 2230 M.2 slot. Being limited to eMMC is no good.
USB ports may be fast enough to boot from.
Usb 3.1 gen 2 is 10Gb...I think it'll be fine
Man this is definitely something I would buy in a heartbeat if I could. We're kinda needing an alternative to ARM on SoCs anyway, people should just accept x86 isn't going anywhere and will still be the standard for decades to come. Definitely want to see some SteamOS running on that.
To be honest I'm kinda sick or arm SBCs. The good thing about x86 boards is that it just works. Problem is that x86 boards are mostly expensive.
I can see hybrid arm/x86 cpus becoming more mainstream
@@KingVulpes Good point. Now that we have Intel shoving two types of cores on one CPU, it makes sense to go that way. P and E cores have essentially the same idea IMO as "x86 and ARM cores" on the same die - if you make the E cores as ARM chips instead of x86 and leave the P cores as x86, you essentially have a hybrid. Not sure if that's already the case or if Intel hasn't realized this yet, or maybe the software/firmware part would need some time to conceptually mature to make that work.
ARM is growing in the server market, but that's more for specialized applications.
@@arthurwintersight7868 yeah, arm is there to control specific stuff
Can't believe the memory is single channel.
I'd absolutely love to see this running SteamOS. Bring it on!
Nice SBC. Unfortunately no price based on the website. Looks like this is intended for more commercial customers.
$465 on their us store
I wish this thing had more PCIe exposure than just the E Key M.2 slot.
Second m.2 with 4 PCIe lanes could be enough to connect eGPU. Pairing it with low profile card like the new 4060 would make for extremely small build.
Heck, I hope ETA will test the eGPU on 2 lanes that are already available, they may not bottleneck that bad.
Can we get a "LAN Party" edition with neon color plastic parts?
As soon as I saw the DFI logo I immediately yelled "LANParty" out loud! Miss their motherboards back in the day lol
Oh man...DFI.
I used to own a DFI x58 motherboard back in the day. Very nice design and a good motherboard overall.
I would like to see this sbc run Steam OS.
It's probably overall weaker than a Steam Deck.
I had a DFI Lanparty, they were way ahead of the trends. The UV slots when you added a blacklight were stunning. Back then there was no RGB anything, and only a few people had cathode light tubes in their PCs. If DFI hadn't left the consumer market I can only imagine how cool the Lanparty would have got.
@@Bigheadedwon they had a very unique design and colour palettes before the RGB led times.
Nowadays all the components have more or less the same black/grey/white aesthetic.
Asrock launched a motherboard named "xxx mixer" I think that had different colours and everyone who talked about it thought it was a huge deal.
This must be the craziest piece of tech I have seen in a while
I must admit, since I discovered the EPYC3000, I fully switched to cheap EPYC3000 hyperconverged clusters with PVE...
I always build systems double with some kind of failover. At least 3 epyc3000's would set you back about 100W in use with enough SSD, ram and compute to power several offices.
About node prices: the price per node used to be around 1500 euro before COVID-19, but that's now around 1800 for exactly the same hardware.
So what's so special about it? The EPYC3000 (or EPYC3201, my favorite) is almost a SoC. It's soldered to the motherboard and it has the same power as the bigger sister in the EPYC line (like the Rome), but just has about 8 cores instead of 16 or 32. Per core these devices are just as fast.
Geez, DFI! That takes me back to my early adulthood. They made great motherboards like the LanParty series. It is a shame that DFI quit the gaming mobo business years ago.
Is this the same DFI that used to make the LANParty Motherboards??? BRING BACK THOSE FREAKING MOTHERBOARDS!!!
@ETAPRIME your channel has been one of the most informative and right to the point channels I enjoy to watch. 10 out of 10 content and hard work u put in to this.
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Jeez, it is really cool to see such a small computer trouncing my 4 core 8 thread server pc (my old pc).
I always want to have a use case for these little guys, but for any permanent setup, a bigger PC always provides more capability for less, and there's always enough space to put a bigger PC.
Then for temporary/mobile use, my phone is always there and does roughly the same thing.
I was wondering if there is a spreadsheet with all the SBCs you've reviewed with a list of comparisons and prices?
Would you consider doing a video on Universal Tuning Utility ? Explaining the process that you yourself go through to optimise these SBC's & Mini PC's ? That would be useful to many people I think
🤪🤪🤪 I remember credit size calculators from 80s/90s... Everyone wanted to have such a model!
I'd love to see what sort of performance and efficiency gains can be made by running Linux on these boards.
@@noir-13 Linux at the moment consistently hits higher Vulkan frame rates, file system performance (faster game loading), as well as network IO performance. The overhead of Windows in memory or background CPU usage isn't the concern compared to other systems as it's less than 2X greater, but the peak efficiency of that entire stack of an OS is. It's almost as if Windows in 2023 doesn't lend itself well to hardware testing, especially on unique and embedded hardware.
@noir-13 Linux nearly always outperforms windows when evenly compared. Microsoft testers even admitted that at 30-40%...in a leaked memo back in the late 90's
@@mrmotofy and those comparisons were OpenGL to OpenGL with a lot more frame latency than today.
@@mf4071 And even today, it still runs more efficiently and uses less resources when evenly tested
@@noir-13 From what I know, any Windows after 8.1 performs pretty badly on low-power / embedded CPUs. Linux is a lot easier on system resources, partially through the absence of a built-in AV.
Hey Prime, curious why you refuse to mention prices for most of the electronics you review?...
Also, when reviewing these single board pc's i think you should mention how it compares to others, particularly the pi5 and whether or not it would be worth picking up...from the comments I'm seeing, at $420 it's an easy "no" which i think you would agree...
I like your reviews and tutorials but i do think you should be more transparent when you're being paid to do them so we know not to expect an unbiased review.
These are sponsor placements and he probably gets money for driving traffic. If he tells you how much it is, you're much less likely to "click through" to find it yourself.
@@JViz I know it's sponsored cause he tends to say the name of the companies that send it to him for review. Regardless, a lot of other tech channels say when the video is actually being sponsored but proclaim that "their review is not based on sponsorship and their opinion are their own." They are not afraid to say the price of the product, it's shortcomings, and whether it's worth it or not...
the affiliate links ETA has are simply that, affiliate links which he has to disclose he gets a small fee...a sponsored video is separate. They pay him hundreds of dollars beforehand just to make the video.... Just check Linus tech tips to see how he does it and you'll understand.
@@lexlopez15 Yeah but.. You don't even know who DFI sells to, do you?
This isn't for you. This is for industrial systems integrators who put together... Well, anything in the SCADA world. This is meant to live in potentially hot industrial plants, functioning 24/7. It is likely powering a HMI (Human Machine Interface).
Aint no way DFI sponsored him lol. Take his reviews for what you will, but throw away the tin foil.
@@jorper2526 go home with that nonsense dude😄, there is no point in reviewing and showing off any type of emulation if he didn't think it was for sale to the public. Besides, I'm not talking about just this product but many others he reviews, he hardly ever says the price or anything bad about them. When he does it's few and far between which is likely not sponsored when it is. You're just assuming what this particular board is used for in which case, again he wouldn't show any type of gameplay for it.
@@lexlopez15 My brother in christ, you simply can't stop reeing over your keyboard. I come from an IT and industrial background. This is either for industrial use, or digital signage (like the computer at McDonalds powering the display).
Honestly, he shouldn't review these things because it just leads to a bunch of ignorant comments.
And he simply doesn't do an in-depth enough review to find anything bad. His entire schtick is "can it game" and honestly.. Any of these systems can, to the extent he tests. And value is subjective.
Mini computers have come a long way, and this would be great for emulation up to the Gamecube. :D
Why does that sponsor site feel...off? Aren't these key resellers iffy at best?
imagine making your own handheld with this that would be cool
Thank you for another great video.
Can you PLEASE include in your next videos , at least Geekbench 6. Cinebench would be good too. I know they are not perfect ones, but they are easy to download and run on our computers.
This makes for easy comparing between different systems. Knowing how each off these boards/miniPC compares to others is very important. Thank you.
Be interesting to see more AMD based micro SBC's like this, but with a few a extra features.
- Dual channel DDR5 8/16gb options
- At least one NVME 4.0 slot
- At least 2 USB-C ports (one can be for power)
- A nice metal case with integrated fan and heatsink (this heat sink looks kinda getto)
Appreciate that price would be an issue, but there are people happy to pay more for smaller solutions like this. I'd toss this in my travel bag and use an iPad as the display for it. I think the ideal may well be something like an AMD iteration of a latte panda sigma.
Hell yeh! Bring us SteamOS on this board my friend
Well this thing not only have the Power of a PC. It also comes with a higher Price then most notebooks.
DFI should bring back LanParty!
It is funny, the way you look at it, I think the i/o is just perfect. The way I see it, couple of thousands of these and you have a hadoop server that will wipe the floor with the competition by a large margin!
even A.I. workloads in a cluster of these, because it has graphics capabilities it just tops anything ARM has to offer.
I was thinking how well it'd perform against the steam deck with steam os and glad you had the thought at the end of the video. would love to see a comparison video
The second you mentioned that it was Ryzen based my brain shouted MINI STEAM MACHINE. I'd love to see what this thing can do on something lighter than W11.
It would be really interesting to see how SteamOS 3.0 runs on it. Imagine using it as a basis for a handheld and installing SteamOS on it.
Wow impresive board. Maybe this can power the future VR headsets for PCVR like high graphics quality games in standalone VR headset.
The fact that ryzen embedded is still on Zen+ is quite interesting. I mean, there's not really much market for anything that much faster, but something like a little Zen2 Mendocino APU might be better suited to a consumer application. Ryzen Embedded does have other features that are much more marketable for this thing's intended use cases that Mendocino doesn't, but if somebody wants a snappy little low-power computer one of those or an i3 U-class chip will serve them better if only for the more consumer-friendly form factor.
Newer Ryzen Embedded chips do exist. The one on this board is an older chip, they probably used it to reduce cost.
I really want to see the OC possibilities, I may got some fun ideas for it
Some of the details of this are a bit of a letdown, but the idea is there a that’s exciting. Ideally when going the same dimensions as a Pi, it would be nice to have the same physical layout of the IO. And the 8GB RAM. For most use cases at that point, may as well go the Pi. But give it time and even if they’re not the go they’ll still put pressure on ARM SBCs to stop being toys
Based on price and performance the 2 aren't even in the same ballpark. This thing is like $400, the Pi is $80
@@mrmotofy yeah I know. For someone who’s performance constrained but not memory constrained that’s great. But for someone like me who doesn’t need a lot of performance but is memory constrained, there’s no gain jumping $320 for the same memory. That’s why I’m saying I like the precedent, it won’t be long before you can grab a credit card size machine with 16 or 32GB. Most wouldn’t even care if it’s DDR4.
Hey ETA! They recently made Visual Pinball X compilable on Linux. I'd love to see a VPX setup using one of these SBCs without all the bloat of Windows! It also can allegedly run on RPi 5 and 4 too!
DFI is the worst to work with. They overcharge for their mobos by 300% market rate. Tried to request a board they "sell" for a project that needed PCI and they quoted $1,200 for a mobo. What a scam.
lol cry more
The steam os would be pretty cool too, especially if you wanted to build a hacked version
😮 DFI still exists? Their motherboards are very reliable. This brand was only brand I imported back in 16bit ages 😅
I would love to see this little guy in a custom made CyberDeck as opposed to a Raspberry Pie.
show us the overclocking!
wouldn't be that fair to compare the size with the pi when it has that massive heatsink :D
Great SBC there . I am a fan of AMD. What was the power consumption on idle and while gaming ?Thinking of picking this up for PiHole, Homeassistant in a HA Cluster
I literally was thinking Steam OS at the beginning of this, Let's do it!
@ETA PRIME: you should make an Excel at this point with a few ranking filters for what the strengths (pros/cons) are for each Mini PC you try out.
Maybe do OS, processor capability, graphics capability, size, and price?
It needs more than 128gb storage if you want to use it as a desktop pc. 256 would be the sweet spot.
Pitty this wasn't 8 CU's or RDNA 2 and 16gb of ddr5. Could have been a fun maker board for steamdeck like performance.
Superb video! I'd love to see this hardware running Steam OS 3 or ChimeraOS. 🙂
Dead on arrival, nonsense board. Price is too high. Intel N100 sbcs are half the price (but actually provide more IO, Wifi and BT)
I think it's entirely possible for them to put a 7840u on this mini PC but they probably don't want it to compete with other handheld PCs belonging to the same product line.
And def would like to see an overclock, I'm quite interested in this, especially for my emulated arcade builds
Nice board. Sadly, that 1st generation Zen core does show it's age. Something like this but with a V3000 series APU would be great.
As a side note, nice to see that DFI is still around.
Would be nice to compare this with a similar priced mini pc with batocera installed as main os and see how many consoles they can emulate and fps and if you could enable shaders 😁
that 3Dmark score put it on par with Ryzen 2400G. Not bad at all.
I don't no it's reasonable for the segment but for something like this and the fact that it doesn't have anything other than emmc storage I would really want to see it around that $199 mark.
if that single board packing a usb 4 Usb booting probably gonna be a new trend
Awesome videos Eta Prime! Well done 👍👍👍
You can pick up a 5600g for like $120 these days and build a $400 pc off of it… I just don’t see a huge advantage on a x86 sbc over a micro atx/ itx build, spend the same money and get a better preforming same power drawing pc and you can put it in a pretty small case and have no compromises
So this is not as powerful as the 7840 igpu, but the size of that so small is incredible and it can even do alot emulation wise
These boards are honestly way way to expensive, including the rest of the older range from DFI, for emulation, your better off picking up a 6/7/8th gen USFF machine from Dell/HP/Lenovo for 80 to $150 depending on specs, they usually come with an SSD, ram, bluetooth, wifi, power supply the lot and are still small enough to put under your TV.
You should use ChimeraOS instead of SteamOS. It supports general PC hardware better and basically does the same thing, only easier.
Thats a lot more dropped frames then I would like, definitely more than just the initial load in. While it can play it, in less than a minute you had 2000+, that's worth mentioning rather than saying "Just the load in then its fine."
It is the other way round: It lost 7 frames of about 2000, and it lost them while loading and starting; looked really ok, to me.
Cool Board Man! Yes let's see some Steam OS & Overclocking
If I am not wrong, at full speed is somewhat similar to a Ryzen 3 2200G. A fully capable desktop pc IMO and considering the size is amazing. I wonder if that m2 port would accept eGPU using a GPD adapter
In the pc wolrd, anything cute = expensive
If the price is in the $100 range, this will put the Pi5 to shame.
If this is really an industrial thing with a high price I think that ETA Prime has failed in doing this video IMHO.
My homies will be flabbergasted when I pull out my gaming PC from my wallet
Keen to see a review on the MINISFORUM BD770i!
I had a thought, will it be funny fitting that in full tower case? Laugh to know and trick people.
"... and have a really good time with it" :)
DFI - werent tbey the ones about 15 years ago making the LAN Party series of motherboards with the neon glowing ports and cool silk screening??
-Cool video
-Cool bracelet, my wife got me a similar one
-This DFI SBC, i couldn't even find out how much they're asking for it 🤷🏻♂️
How did you find it and make a video on it and it's nowhere to be sold 😅
Bummer that it only has single channel ram, however a cool concept.
Same form factor as Steamdeck's Motherboard 😮😮😮 I remember the time I replaced my thermal paste
8 CUs on that thing? Holy smokes.
Looking at the specs, this is very good for a PoS, but not for neat stuff like tiny Ceph OSD devices. I see no NPU unfortunately. So a device like the Odroid M1 has my preference as it has an NPU, probably is 1/6th of the cost, has comparable cpu power.
The GPU really makes this a PoS only. Even for a set top box any arm is better equiped. Maybe thin desktop client where you need to be AMD64.
Great video. Steam OS is cool. I'd love to see how well an Obico server runs in it with a couple of web cams/3DO 4K nozzle cam.
Remove the small fan, put a 120 on it.
bam, Right in the kisser. 😂
Thank you for the video!
A review with SteamOS would be good.
Love these things 😊
The CPU might be fast, but Windows makes sure that doesn't last.
Its wild that it doesn't have a type C
Do A passive silent PC mod on these small apu marvels, good for gaming as well.
The 4c/8t and 8cu setup made me think of the van gohg steam deck apu.
What a beautiful board!
Imho, given the power consumption and the performance/watt of this ancient 12nm based device no one in his right mind should take this over an APU like a lower end 4500U or 5625U apu. (and at its current price point one buys a minisforum em680 that blows this thing out of the water)