i wish they would have told us what KIND of ammunition they were using. yes they said 9mm vs .40, but what about the grain, the amount of powder, the advertised fps and what the actual fps was using a chronograph etc. All that is more important when comparing the effectiveness of two different calibers.
This isnt gerand thumb bro haha if he says “SEAL team” sidearm in conjunction with “sig sauer p226” on top of that “classic 9mm Parabellum round” you can assume they are referring to standard special forces Federal 9mm NATO which uses 124FMJ. You can easily go look up specs as it seems the show will assume ppl will go do that if they’d like. But keep in mind what you’re seeing on Gerand Thumb is SAMMI spec. NATO rounds for the military are akin to +P. When they have nato rated rounds I’m sure they’ll tell you. So federal 9mm NATO rated is 124 grain at 1260fps
@@CYMotorsportthe show did state the FPS was 1099, so that kind of rules out your 124 gn 9mm and is most likely 147 subsonic 9mm. 4.2 grains of CFE Pistol with a 147 grain projectile will give you that.
This appears to be an old show full of incorrect information and outdated information. I wouldn't give a times worth about ANY conclusions reached here. I just watched it for it entertainment value
I conceal a 5 inch 1911. I've never had anyone see it. I carry it in summer sometimes in a tee shirt and shorts. But i do carry a 9mm and a 3.5 inch 1911 also. Im an old man but i like red dot sights. I have 3 or 4 pistols with them on it.
I have discovered these videos and am pleased as I am a gun enthusiast. This is right up my alley. Yes the bullet details are important, but overall, well presentation of handguns. Be safe everyone please.
Silenced .45ACP with high capacity magazine (13 or more). I think every military pistol should be Silenced, since you never know when you need to be quiet.
@grayrecluse7496 this is true. 9mm pistols with suppressors are contradictory in their efficacy. Because 9mm breaks the sound barrier it simply is not silent. There are 9mm subsonic munitions that are the best idea under these circumstances. HOWEVER! That is why I specifically stated .45 ACP caliber. They, by design, are subsonic. Either in pistols or submachine guns they are very quiet. Sometimes the sound of the bullet striking someone is louder than the actual firing!
fyi that C96 they are using is a later model or spanish copy that has a detachable magazine. you can tell as they only loaded the dummy rounds with the stripper clip but rest of the time see them load it from under with the short 10 round mag. Still not bad video.
2:50 technical error. The standard magazine capacity of the SiG P226 is not 13, it is 15. The standard P228 magazine is 13 (but will also accept larger magazines).
I like the Sig P226 9mm as my duty pistol for work. Before the Sig I carried a 1911A1 but the company I work for only wants 9mm or .40. I don't like the .40 so I chose the Sig P226 which I already owned.
@@jason200912 Yes bullet technology has come a long way. I have carried the Federal Hydrashok for a long time too. For my duty rounds I use Speer Gold Dot.
Oh Winston Churchill owned a Mauser 1896 too, he carried one as a young cavalry officer in combat in the Sudan until finally captured by the Boers in South Africa. The Chinese called them the Box Cannon which thousands were used and copied by the Chinese.
Not all the time, I had a Colt Trooper Mk IV when I was at the police academy back in the 70's. I bought it new and had used it only to learn how. to operate and carry while on duty as a cop. On the range one day in training, the trigger broke and locked the revolver with the hammer back about half with 3 live .357 mag cartridges in the revolver, having fired 3 rounds. The range officer could not get the gun open to unload, it went to a gunsmith on standby who unloaded it. I sent it back to Colt with a rather nasty letter, they returned it to me before I graduated the Academy repaired and with the slickest trigger I ever had on a revolver. I did carry that gun for a few years before going to a M1911A1 for a carry gun. When I pulled the pin in '93 I had an Astra A100 in .45ACP in my duty rig having carried and qualified with the old gal many times, again I purchased her new and still have her in the original box in my closet, unloaded of course, next to my M1911A1 and Taurus DA .22LR Revolver
Ah so many people even self proclaimed gun guys don’t know ish about handgun caliber ammo selection when it comes to power. And they just use whatever random ammo when testing them against each other and act like the results apply to every other 9mm/.45/.357 sig/.40 etc. when there are so many differences between each brand and type of bullet, even the same bullet can behave extremely different depending on barrel length. 9mm is as powerful as .45 in standard pressure. .45 is only sometimes more powerful in +p than 9mm is in +p, but its still not a significant difference. Also, people think .357 sig is more powerful than .40, which is generally somewhat true, but I have an Underwood ammo for .40 that has more energy than ANY .357 sig round, even from Underwood themselves, who make the most powerful factory ammo for any caliber. So .40 is more powerful than .357 sig, period, when the most powerful factory ammo available between .40 and .357 sig is .40, even if it’s only one load, it’s an extremely effective load. It’s the 135 grain .40 jhp from Underwood. Even though .45 is not more powerful than 9mm, .45 +p makes a big difference where 9mm +p does not make a huge difference. There IS a noticeable difference, but no more than 100 foot pounds. .45 in +p can DOUBLE the energy, and put it into properly loaded .40 (Underwood) or .357 sig territory.
6:16 Glock 33 baby that's what I carry its small 10 rounds in the mag one in the pipe and it shoots that Sig 357 that has the same ballistic coefficient as a 357 Magnum all in a baby glock
I thought the IDF used the Desert Eagle at road blocks to disable the engine blocks of vehicles attempting to charge the barrier or attempt a suicide attack. Has anyone else heard this and do you know if it's true or not??
Germans were the first to introduce both semi-automatic pistols and submachine guns in combat.. talking about innovation and cutting-edge weapons. Germans really gone far and out
The 1911 has one I have one from World War Two that’s got the lanyard loop still a lot of them had it cut off keeps you from losing your pistol if you have to drop or get behind cover quick
Typical American BS. OSS were the forerunners of Spec Ops? Nope! Ever heard of the SAS or SOE? Both active years before OSS was founded. OSS was based on SOE. And even the Rangers was based on the earlier British Commandos who were raiding in Europe before the US entered the war.
Anyone who knows military history knows who came first’ the internet is the internet’ it’s entertainment’ and yea the OSS was modeled after the SOE’ very tough chaps indeed’ cutting edge.
wow... typical USA kids style entertaining docu, all the info they mention you could actually fit into a 5min bit segment but stretched for 50mins for some hot garbage filler BS doco...
pretty much every episode of this show is really good
"Remember, switching to your pistol is always faster than reloading"
Remember, switching to your sidearm is always faster than reloading.
- Corporal Dunn
Your fruit killing skills are remarkable
Especially in CQB.
i wish they would have told us what KIND of ammunition they were using. yes they said 9mm vs .40, but what about the grain, the amount of powder, the advertised fps and what the actual fps was using a chronograph etc. All that is more important when comparing the effectiveness of two different calibers.
This isnt gerand thumb bro haha if he says “SEAL team” sidearm in conjunction with “sig sauer p226” on top of that “classic 9mm Parabellum round” you can assume they are referring to standard special forces Federal 9mm NATO which uses 124FMJ. You can easily go look up specs as it seems the show will assume ppl will go do that if they’d like. But keep in mind what you’re seeing on Gerand Thumb is SAMMI spec. NATO rounds for the military are akin to +P. When they have nato rated rounds I’m sure they’ll tell you. So federal 9mm NATO rated is 124 grain at 1260fps
@@CYMotorsport I don't think that a single NATO spec round was used in the making of this episode. It's a TV show. They are using generic range ammo.
@@CYMotorsportthe show did state the FPS was 1099, so that kind of rules out your 124 gn 9mm and is most likely 147 subsonic 9mm. 4.2 grains of CFE Pistol with a 147 grain projectile will give you that.
This appears to be an old show full of incorrect information and outdated information.
I wouldn't give a times worth about ANY conclusions reached here.
I just watched it for it entertainment value
The most important difference isn't powder charge. It's what bullet technology or if it's ap ammo.
But the military generally only uses fmj
Will needs more showtime. All of his shows are awesome!
I was introduced to the man thanks to him being the host of Forged In Fire for the first seven seasons.
I conceal a 5 inch 1911. I've never had anyone see it. I carry it in summer sometimes in a tee shirt and shorts. But i do carry a 9mm and a 3.5 inch 1911 also. Im an old man but i like red dot sights. I have 3 or 4 pistols with them on it.
I have discovered these videos and am pleased as I am a gun enthusiast. This is right up my alley. Yes the bullet details are important, but overall, well presentation of handguns. Be safe everyone please.
Silenced .45ACP with high capacity magazine (13 or more). I think every military pistol should be Silenced, since you never know when you need to be quiet.
Silenced, doesn't mean silent ... When ever a round break 's ,the sound barrier ,Boom.
@grayrecluse7496 this is true. 9mm pistols with suppressors are contradictory in their efficacy. Because 9mm breaks the sound barrier it simply is not silent. There are 9mm subsonic munitions that are the best idea under these circumstances. HOWEVER! That is why I specifically stated .45 ACP caliber. They, by design, are subsonic. Either in pistols or submachine guns they are very quiet. Sometimes the sound of the bullet striking someone is louder than the actual firing!
@@deguello66 147gr 9mm ammo is also naturally subsonic.
And a suppressed 9mm is quieter than a suppressed 45.....
@@jimbob465 that's interesting. I'm used to 115gr ballistics.
Great video, really enjoyed it👍
fyi that C96 they are using is a later model or spanish copy that has a detachable magazine. you can tell as they only loaded the dummy rounds with the stripper clip but rest of the time see them load it from under with the short 10 round mag. Still not bad video.
An informative video about sidearms..video selected several types around the world...showed theirs robustness, accuracy, and firepowers ...thanks
Glock 19 and 42. BUT now carrying the Ruger Security .380 the softest shooting and easiest slide rack. Love it.
Glad to see you back, miss you on FiF, and understand why you left.
The Desert Eagle is the definition of a Hand Cannon.
2:50 technical error. The standard magazine capacity of the SiG P226 is not 13, it is 15. The standard P228 magazine is 13 (but will also accept larger magazines).
Outstanding video
Nice editing on the PPK. it was clearly out of battery
I like the Sig P226 9mm as my duty pistol for work. Before the Sig I carried a 1911A1 but the company I work for only wants 9mm or .40. I don't like the .40 so I chose the Sig P226 which I already owned.
Bullet technology selection is more important than caliber
@@jason200912 Yes bullet technology has come a long way. I have carried the Federal Hydrashok for a long time too. For my duty rounds I use Speer Gold Dot.
I wish they showed Makarov and nambu type 14 pistol as well
Miss this guy on Forged in Fire.
Lovin this content 👌
I forgot how much class and style went into that PPK kill
The 1911 with rails can't be beat, only the Beretta M9 comes close
It has no capacity compared to a hk usp or a glock in .45
WW is rad dude.
Oh Winston Churchill owned a Mauser 1896 too, he carried one as a young cavalry officer in combat in the Sudan until finally captured by the Boers in South Africa. The Chinese called them the Box Cannon which thousands were used and copied by the Chinese.
Always remember a revolver will always go “bang.”
Not all the time, I had a Colt Trooper Mk IV when I was at the police academy back in the 70's. I bought it new and had used it only to learn how. to operate and carry while on duty as a cop. On the range one day in training, the trigger broke and locked the revolver with the hammer back about half with 3 live .357 mag cartridges in the revolver, having fired 3 rounds. The range officer could not get the gun open to unload, it went to a gunsmith on standby who unloaded it. I sent it back to Colt with a rather nasty letter, they returned it to me before I graduated the Academy repaired and with the slickest trigger I ever had on a revolver. I did carry that gun for a few years before going to a M1911A1 for a carry gun. When I pulled the pin in '93 I had an Astra A100 in .45ACP in my duty rig having carried and qualified with the old gal many times, again I purchased her new and still have her in the original box in my closet, unloaded of course, next to my M1911A1 and Taurus DA .22LR Revolver
Ah so many people even self proclaimed gun guys don’t know ish about handgun caliber ammo selection when it comes to power. And they just use whatever random ammo when testing them against each other and act like the results apply to every other 9mm/.45/.357 sig/.40 etc. when there are so many differences between each brand and type of bullet, even the same bullet can behave extremely different depending on barrel length.
9mm is as powerful as .45 in standard pressure. .45 is only sometimes more powerful in +p than 9mm is in +p, but its still not a significant difference. Also, people think .357 sig is more powerful than .40, which is generally somewhat true, but I have an Underwood ammo for .40 that has more energy than ANY .357 sig round, even from Underwood themselves, who make the most powerful factory ammo for any caliber. So .40 is more powerful than .357 sig, period, when the most powerful factory ammo available between .40 and .357 sig is .40, even if it’s only one load, it’s an extremely effective load. It’s the 135 grain .40 jhp from Underwood.
Even though .45 is not more powerful than 9mm, .45 +p makes a big difference where 9mm +p does not make a huge difference. There IS a noticeable difference, but no more than 100 foot pounds. .45 in +p can DOUBLE the energy, and put it into properly loaded .40 (Underwood) or .357 sig territory.
19:39 the last target he cheated and not letting you see where he hit 🤣. I know it’s steel, but still you can see where the bullet hit, lol.
I've seen people in the comments who seem to think this show from 2011 was filmed recently.
I was looking for this comment
Haha love will willis
0:24 lol
Mentions the 1911 every two minutes but never test it
Right! Haha, im not sure if it was cus they already did its own episode or not?🤔
Fenômenal 👏🏽👏🏽
Navy SEALs and Secret Service now use 9mm. Both Glock. I think the C96 also had 20 round capacity versions too.
This video show was clearly filmed like 15 years ago.
@@Faceplay2 11.
6:16 Glock 33 baby that's what I carry its small 10 rounds in the mag one in the pipe and it shoots that Sig 357 that has the same ballistic coefficient as a 357 Magnum all in a baby glock
Ballistic coefficient is kinda useless because at the range to take advantage of that you're only gonna get a small percentage of hit rates
*useless for conceal pistols, not useless for rifles
20:09 This guys an expert because he has a few gun books. He’s from NE England. He’s not allowed to play with guns. Where do they find these people?
James Bond no longer uses the Walther PPK. In the latest films he has been using a variety of handguns.
but is it LGBTQ friendly?
P99, right?.
So we just pretend the Borchart doesn't exist?
These are good fun, but not a replacement for history.
I thought the IDF used the Desert Eagle at road blocks to disable the engine blocks of vehicles attempting to charge the barrier or attempt a suicide attack. Has anyone else heard this and do you know if it's true or not??
STEYR & FN are king of pistols
I beg to differ I'm going to go with Wilson Combat 1911 but let's face it cold came out with the 1911 over 100 years ago and I still can't be beat
Nope 1911 or you’re wrong
Cool 😎
The liberator is basically the same as giving a civillian a kitchen knife
If they made this today it would just be glock vs glock vs glock vs glock....
HK Usp all the way
Germans were the first to introduce both semi-automatic pistols and submachine guns in combat.. talking about innovation and cutting-edge weapons. Germans really gone far and out
They had to try to compensate for there lack of #'s somehow.
Can’t say I’ve ever seen a leash on a pistol. With that said, to each their own. If you can use it I guess it doesn’t matter does it?
The 1911 has one I have one from World War Two that’s got the lanyard loop still a lot of them had it cut off keeps you from losing your pistol if you have to drop or get behind cover quick
It's from the military... don't wanna lose your issued side-arm...
Lanyard is used during water borne ops. Would kinda suck if you dropped your sidearm overboard.
HK anyone?
2:00 have that gun sit in a tank of Salt water for 30 minutes.
48 min video and 34 seconds in it shows u jamming up that pistol lmao
So what.
@@OhCanadathebest Canadian so i guess you don't know how pistols work, you can't own one.
@@ProfessorBidoofIdt you've ever fired a gun outside of video games if you don't understand that guns can in fact jam
No self respecting war fighter would EVER call their weapon a “Gun”
A lot has changed since the Vietnam War.
I support the N R A .
what's the point
Just stopped at 0:47
It’ll be the mk23, 226, and 320. Maybe a G17 or G19 in there.
Will “proper garden tool” Willis Beech
Woah this is an episode from 2005 or 2006. When will Willis was still catching “p&p” San Fran 3 letter viruses.
19:39 the last target he cheated and not letting you see where he hit 🤣. I know it’s steel, but still you can see where the bullet hit, lol.
Desert Eagle and he doesn't know lol 🤫. The military version is beyond better but you have to be in the military to find out and it stays there.
2:57 the 226 can fire just by dropping it so f*** it
Are you sure you are thinking of the correct pistol?
@@tristanpedersen9056 I think he's thinking of the what's its face, 320? New stuff.
@@OllamhDrab I do believe that is the model yes.
he doesn't know
Riddled with opinion over facts.
Haha more like weapons wet! lol
calling a pistol a "weapon system" 🤣🤣
Too much man Too much. I couldn't get past the intro. Sorry!?
To bad this was filmed like an American soap opera.
Typical American BS. OSS were the forerunners of Spec Ops? Nope! Ever heard of the SAS or SOE? Both active years before OSS was founded. OSS was based on SOE. And even the Rangers was based on the earlier British Commandos who were raiding in Europe before the US entered the war.
Nobody forced you to watch it. Don't like it, don't watch. You Tube, and internet as a whole, are vast.
You mean losing the war???
Anyone who knows military history knows who came first’ the internet is the internet’ it’s entertainment’ and yea the OSS was modeled after the SOE’ very tough chaps indeed’ cutting edge.
most of it was based on the exploits of William E. Fairbirn
first
Second lol
this didn't age well
Sorry... this commercial hype production does not belong here. Way out of place.
I own both,f u atf.
wow... typical USA kids style entertaining docu, all the info they mention you could actually fit into a 5min bit segment but stretched for 50mins for some hot garbage filler BS doco...
it was made for TV
@@uuuultra yes for kids and mentally challenged individuals level of information.