EDIT: see below in the pin if you believe denney's DS speed kill changes anything(spoiler, he used crit) Supporter link, your support expires btw don't forget to renew: Creator code: creators.nexon.com/s/vashcowaii%236354?serviceId=74 In general btw, but if you want help on your builds, feel free to join the discord. I may not always help with em personally, and sometimes we're all assholes, but if you can get past that then we've got people like twitter.com/TfdMaths in there always helpin out. REGARDING THE DS SPEED KILL BY DENNEYS: In an unsurprising turn of events, people are discovering crit lepic is good! Who'da thought kekw. Grats to denneys on his DS speed kill, but I think some people are mistakenly going to believe this lends any weight to his critless argument on solo bosses, so I'm gonna copy paste my response to one such commenter: "Yeah and that still doesn't change my argument. He used crit lepics in a scenario where he'll get 30% crit rate maximum with luna due to death stalker's 70% skill crit resist. He is, by proxy on death stalker, creating nearly identical conditions as solo swamp walker, except on swamp lepic gets 38% crit. We literally said in this very video you're better off running crit lepic with a luna in the higher bosses, and if crit lepic is better with even less crit rate there, is there any reason you should believe that crit lepic wouldn't be better than critless lepic here when you have even more crit rate here? He's literally gone and verified my argument against him" I don't get why peeps are surprised when all he's done now is gone and done exactly what I said you do and even adjusted his crit build using logic I discussed in the video. I don't hate him guys, I just think his argument for critless lepic is stupid as hell lol, and I hope you get why. Was a good DS kill tho, so props all the same.
Do you have any advice for yujins first aid mod? I'm asking because the gley players are preventing the info from getting out. I don't know why? With first aid kit the gleys don't have to worry about losing damage because they don't have to pick it up. So some player say singular power heals more or medical support heals more Im using a little of both so I'm not sure what's more effective?
hey vash i was wondering if you could do a video explaining how defense and dr worked for decendants one thing that kind of confuses me is that the max resist mods say +180% resistance to x element mean while the antil body ones give you a tangible 4.3k elemental resistance. Are the max resist mods useless with out an anti body mod to go with it? and how does def,resistances, and incoming damage modifier synergize if at all. i wanna make the tankiest ajax i can possibly make just cause 😇 🙏
Legit nearly tried the Denney build as it was a new video then I paused as I had Vash in my ear saying STOP, Lepic is a Crit Quadraped. Tx for the confirmation.
"Helldiver! You're the last one on Meridia. We need to collapse this planet into a black hole. Release the sucky suck machine! And return to Democracy's embrace!"
---Very well made structured video about Lepic's playstyle. ---It'll be much appreciated, if you could do a Yujin or Viessa build. ---Probably the only content creator of this game that explains everything so in-depth and straight to the point. Keep it up!
0 crit lepic can be interesting if you want to use his ult for mobs. Because crit takes many modules slots its complicated. For mobing you want a lots of utility modules, so saving slots by using raw damage and adding utility is cool. But in term of pure damage for bossing i dont see how 0 crit could be better than crit with such high numbers. Its classic case of people dont know shit
Absolutely love your no nonsense approach to the guides and point out how youtubers out there clickbait with bs videos and mislead players. Thanks for the guide!
cant wait to see all the "crit -less" hailey's XDDDDDD on another note, i created a crit-less 400% dungeon valby with hydro pressure bomb transcendent mod build and it actually slaps face BUT i also utilize the every loving shnit out of the peacemaker gun in order to increase her dps (obviously) and no, she's not as good as freyna but she's WAY more engaging and fun to play.
Valby should only be building Crit with Supply Moisture. As that gives her a base of 25%. Without Supply Moisture though, she only has a Base of 5% and should be building Crit-less. So if using any other mods, this would be the way to go. Some people really like her jumping nuke for mobbing. It's not the highest DPS she can do, but is fun and the right way to build with that mod should be Crit-less.
Just the first 3 mins of this video shares info that I didnt even know. And ive put over 1000 hours into this game and try to get info from as many different people that sound logical as I can. If I could sub again I would. Love these videos. Edit: Not the Lofi-loving Jayber main 😂🤣☠
Okay, I'm officially having you as my tfd creator guy, I've never enjoyed and laughed so much at RUclips Vidz, I can't wait for the other character guides, super excited!!!!!
Thanks again. Would still like to see your take on viessa. I invested in critless mods on her for the purposes of testing and am fairly certain crit outperforms by a wide margin. I tested on absolute zero, cold blooded and cold watch snap. I should probably start using your website instead of eating resources for in-game testing. Maybe one day we will have a chill descendant that can use them.
The only times lepic has good mobbing in 400% is when you have a void zone unknown lab is a great example which from what ive seen is 99% of the time perfectly safe to throw enemies in exp and score is still added and loot spawns where the enemies picked up from which is the still the case if you manually kill them before they touch the floor again , or hes good when using overkill ofcourse which is why i personally run 80% cooldown on him for 16s downtime
In a world where everyone wants to be the first one to "come up" with a build without checking all their data first, I will 100% will trust and consume content from someone that has done the work and proves their claims with factual data. I would much rather see quality content that 3 or 4 videos of "updates" on the same builds because of new findings, meaning they never check their info to begin. And @vash has invited others to fact-check him on his work, and I have yet to see anyone do it. I'm really excited to see your weapon builds and be able to understand the math behind it better.
There's no one else in this platform that I trust this much for builds as you Vash, thx for the content for real, it made my experience on the game much better
I've no qualms with you as a person, you're no moxsy as you at least try and I recognize that, but I'm not gonna shy away from correcting shit like that when I see it. I've no apologies to give so don't expect one, but if you have a case you'd like to make then make one, but it better be a good case you make as in your own video you made a claim that crit doesn't matter once base power modifiers exceed 1000%(I did listen to you, fully) and that was pretty out there man. You're also welcome to rail on my mistakes in the future in any which way you'd like and that's fair game. Carry on, sir.
@perturabo149 for some reason, they think moxsy took a build or 2 when there is only one way to scale damage... tbh it's bullshit because, like I said, there are only some many ways to make and build, and because one person makes one doesn't mean another person can't make a build that won't look similar. It's very gatekeepy imo.
@@BigRedeemer I agree there isn't much verity in building other than some descendants using Passionate sponsor or a full shield set up, even in the borderlands community I'd see moxsy get a lot of hate for generally no reason it seems other than he doesn't know how to properly make builds, idk just seems like people will always have a content creator in a space to hate like I do with Datto from Destiny 2
Im in no rush to see it but it would be cool to see an Ajax damage and bubble build in a future vid. Some of us bagged milk drinkers still need are hands held through simple stuff lol. Anyway love it man keep up the good work
idk if it's the lack of not having maximize power, only having a blue mp recov in combat, or if im just not getting the timing right with Lepic's 4.. but i cannot for the life of me get beyond 12 shots if im lucky :/
May you add the enduring legacy to the build website? Even if it's not ideal, I just wanna see what potential my build has while I work to get the other better guns.
Sorry but I am going to need a in depth math video on how the slayer set works. I have tried endlessly googling why the set is so good compared to other sets and I am just not convinced on why I should run it over my all "HP stat roll components because the boss won't stop going for me when my 3 teammates are right there" set.
4 piece slayer gives 26.1 Skill damage %. Everything else gives either lower percentages of a specific element, skill Modifier which is less damage than skill %, small amounts of gun damage % or no damage boosts at all. The closest in strength to the Slayer set is the Distorted Resolve set from Death Stalker but that is for Toxic only and for a very specific Freyna build at that. Edit: If you just run guns (Example Enzo) then yes, the Slayer set isn't the best set for you.
@@WoAcct0 Pretty much. You can slap together some different 2 piece sets for quality of life stuff but if you are running skills nothing beats Slayer for damage.
If you're unfamiliar with the math btw I'd recommend watching the skill power and reactors vid I made. I don't explicitly talk about why slayer is good there, but the general math will help you understand WHY it's so good, but otherwise yeah the other sets are kinda shite at the moment, slayer is way too strong
So, the Mobbing Build has Maximize Conservations and Maximize Range. That should be a -40 Base Skill Power Modifier, but the screen shows -20. I'd always figured it wasn't a good idea to lose 40% Power Modifier and I don't see anything offsetting the other -20. What am I missing?
I'm confused about the inclusion of Maximize Power. You said in the previous video that Spear & Shield is good because it affects Skill Power instead of the 2,760% modifier of Lepic's ultimate. Wouldn't that make Maximize Skill a better pick than Maximize Power? I guess the assumption didn't change seeing as how S&S is still in the build. Edit: Literally 2 seconds after I posted this I looked at the skill tags and saw that "Maximize Skill" is a "Battle" module and conflicts with Fire Specialist, whereas "Maximize Power" is an Attack module and would only conflict with "Technician" which isn't in the build. So sorry for the dumb question I guess.
@@VashCowaii My goat. from my testing on the solo bosses majority of the damage being delt is in a knocked state so i found power increase was useless compared to another damage increase
Saw the video about non-crit Lepic and was like, “why”. My ULT Lepic can solo all the bosses and then one phase every boss up until the last couple without a problem. No need to reinvent the wheel for him. His crit numbers are good and if you get a colossi/crit damage reactor you are golden. Someone talking about struggling to kill pyro when I can wipe him in under 10 seconds every time is pointless. Just run the standard hard hitting Lepic build until super late game bosses and swap to Yujin, Ajax, or Enzo for consistency.
Then get footage of it triggering faster than 5.5 seconds, because that is what I can prove as the interval between when you take damage and when it comes back.
Thank you for this video! Yesterday I got paired on Frost Walker public matchmaking constantly with a Lepic that just couldn't stop yapping about non-crit Lepic. While I swam through the sea of Bunnies, Ajax and that guy I tried explaining that he shouldn't dump a bunch of catalysts for that build. Now I just need to point people like him towards this channel!
Sadly some people aren't gonna be convinced on this topic. I've already run into a few that refuse to learn and can't provide any evidence to prove me wrong here either, they just wanna feel that way and there's legit nothing we can do about it.
I don’t get the fire amplification mod on the mobbing build over nimble fingers. Fingers lets you spam traction grenade the moment it’s done again. You don’t really use your 4 for boss damage anymore I just use it for further AoE mobbing when I feel like it. I don’t find I need mana often in 400% so I use HP collector for sustain on him too once you reach final bosses. And then regenerative breaking js so meh. I use power unit charge for my legacy and shotgun ironically to dish out more damage for the bosses. It also works with snapshot on King’s Guard Lance making that amazing with his traction grenade spam as you plop all 3 turrets down in the same spot and pull all enemies to their kill/freeze zone. I love this version. His 4 still does enough damage to. R useful for mobbing, lance with traction grenade is awesome, and then you rely on your guns with power unit charge for bosses and lone elites. m.ruclips.net/video/MYw2z6ElMLk/видео.html But yeah Lepic feels like B tier everywhere now, even bossing where all the final colossi make the other gun based descendants much better. I just place him to look and feel cool lol. He’s just another Kyle now…good enough ti still feel OP but you’re always kidding yourself ti say he’s the “best” descendant at pretty much anything. His traction grenades can pull swarms off cliffs to instant death though so that’s always fun 😂 Bullet sponge elite you say? Get YOINKED off a cliff to die at full health lol
I mean at that point just run Cont Freyna or EC Bunny. It'll take you a third of the time to clear the 400%. And Lepic is still S tier for DPS (probably still the best) on colossi (with the least amount of prep required), I don't know why you'd think otherwise. EDIT: I mean don't get me wrong use what you want, but at a certain point you're just... gimping yourself and making the missions take longer for no reason
just to ask isnt lepic a big modifer character where maximize power is irrelevent to his damage. I know theres maximze skill which adds to skill power but it being a battle mode what about Fire Syncytium
Did I miss something? What happened to skill duration reactor + battle of stamina instead of spear and shield? I guess it’s just a numbers thing, 6.667% more dmg (8%/1.2) x 6.42% more dmg (8.1%/1.261) I can see it being more than one more tic per shot and one more shot, but the difference has to be miniscule, no? I guess it’s good to know I have more options now for a good reactor, cause I still need to get a better one :/
BoS was good in perfect conditions when we undervalued the AOE field ticks of overkills shots. But that was undervalued, that's why last time I had to add info to the pinned comment, and that's why in this vid I mentioned they were undervalued last time. BoS is still good in conditions where you NEED more HP for some reason as well, but for solo boss farming you're better off just committing to damage as we mention here.
@@VashCowaii it’s also already hard to get mp for 18 shots, so i guess there’s that, but yeah, duration reactor + BoS makes the dot tick for one more round. Nvm, i should just do the maths xdd, i believe without dur + BoS its 14 ticks, so its a 15/14 - 1 = 7.1% dmg increase but ONLY to the dot and the extra shot, even if you do it, 19/18 - 1 = 5.5556% dmg increase, so both numbers are lower than the tech + spear and shield numbers AND one of them is not even total shot dmg increase and the other one is really hard to get. Well, good to know i need a new reactor. I mean, i needed to farm anyways cause my collossi + duration had purple collossi dmg anayways, so yeah. For a mathematician i really dont like doing the numbers myself XDD Tbf i hadnt had my morning coffee yet, thx anyways :)
How much is damaged lost in a group play versus damage increase in solo play during a Collosi boss fight? I assume the Lepic builds towards the end are more for solo play than group play. There doesn't seem to be many videos showcasing group play where the damage scales according to how many are in a party. How would you increase your damage in group play to match or even have a close enough damage numbers similar to playing solo during a Collosus fight?
Lepic still does stellar group damage. It's obviously best if you can run with a team you know can guaranteed one phase the boss before a frenzy, but on something like frost walker in particular that is almost guaranteed in public groups. Once you get to Gluttony or DS you pretty much need to run in a premade team if you're gonna do lepic though, and people have already shown crit lepic with a support can do wonders there.
You know what? I like when creator talk or critisize each other. This should be there much more often, I know some from the Asian region who always think their builds are the best and all others are wrong. ;)
I am generally of the same belief. There's no reason to hold everyone's hand, lets as a community get the best info possible and call out what you see wrong as you see it.
@@VashCowaii Saw that, and cant get it to drop yet, but I'm skeptical that it would cause such a massive difference. I suppose I'd expect a few shots, but not halved.
You say you don't need survival mods but I do. Without a HP mod I only have 4k HP and that's with max HP rolls on my components. Lepic is way too squishy without a HP mod imo. This is without the Slayer set. With that set and a HP mod it goes up to only 8k health. Still squishier than my other Descendants. Slayer set without a HP mod only has 2774 health which is very bad. A slight breeze will kill.
Naz Tech Reactor Gold Tech roll Purple Fire power ratio Is what I’m rocking I can’t get a good tech/colossus 🥲least it’s good for mobbing but I can’t tell if the no colossus attack is what’s holding my lepic back from one phasing swamp or I’m just bad 🥲😂
probably stupid question and maybe i missed a video but i don't understand the discussion around intentionally missing weakpoints to avoid frenzy (or more specifically why you want to miss weakpoints)
breaking weakpoints can end whatever animation a boss was in and force them to go straight into frenzy when you would have normally had more time to shoot and force them to get staggered and go down
Could someone explain to me why spear and shield is better than fire syncitium? From what I understand Fire skill power and normal skill power are different buckets. And we dont have that many options to increase normal skill power, hence spear and shield is better. But why dont we switch out fire specialist for maximize skill? Its even higher than the fire skill power increase. Thanks a lot.
Dangerous ambush doesn't have 100% uptime. In a scenario where the boss is immobilized for the last 60% of the fight, spear is better than fire sync. For similar reasons, we don't use maximize skill as well, it would be a damage loss as I mentioned in the video. Stuff like this is always gonna depend on the character and what their specific fights look like, and on lepic this is the best
@@VashCowaii Thanks a lot for the reply, but unfortunately I still don't understand the reasoning for valuing normal sp higher in the first example and lower in the second. I understand your reasoning for going with spear and shield now and i watched the part in your vid where you went over maximize skill and how it depends on he character, but I cant wrap my head around the reason in lepics case. Unfortunately I have to catalyse him some more to test the difference. Thanks for the guide nonetheless, this was the impulse I needed to revisit my Lepic and change stuff up.
I don't understand why they didn't go the warframe route, by making unique weapons separately moddable. It's not explained in the game anywhere how it works. (if I'm correct)
Idk if you recall but warframe started like this too. It was at least 6 or 7 years before they adopted separately modded exalted weapons. You are correct though that in the overwhelming majority of cases, this game does not explain it, but neither did wf. I do wish they'd go that route too though, eventually, but I think there are much much bigger issues for them to address first
For the bossing setup is the build still recommened? Lepic is the only character I have not worked on yet since the game encourages you to build different element base descendants thats whatvi been doing but not sure how i wanna go about it like warframe i like to setup the build and ever so rarely use another forma or on this case crystal catalys i know 4 bossing i'll need to slot in all 4 crit mods leaving me sith 6 slots
Well i got baited lol thanks for showing me the correct build, will you be doing weapon builds any time soon i keep seeing enduring legacy builds but i have no idea what ones are actually good
I love that you make bagged milk jokes. This is a thing I been giving my Canadian gaming friends grief for years now. Now playing this game and you too piling it on is fantastic.
@@VashCowaii same my friend don’t even have bagged milk. But every time there is like an argument or something I end it with something like “don’t listen to him he gets milk in bags” or something 😂
Is there something about targeting on the colossus that you're not covering? I am using your build, full Slayer with gold MP, Naz reactor with gold colossus and gold crit rate, and in 2 dozen runs, Swamp Walker always goes immune with ~10-50% health left.
Have you tried what he said in the beginning and hold the trigger when you are roll canceling? Cause he does mention the way Lepic's ult targets weakspots is super random.
Question i have is i used ur bunny farm build and then tried power stance i havent notice a change and went back to your farm build is that mod worth it or would u be better off using mods thst flst out buff skill and element damage?
So, I’ve been trying this out and even with Maximize Duration, I’m only getting 15 shots. I have a max MP on my sensor that gives me 399 MP. I am trying to roll quickly, but am currently using Special Rounds for Sharp Precision Shot. I wouldn’t think that should account for 2-3 shots?
@@SMG-CARNAGE Well, I was assuming the build presented here would as well as often as it was mentioned. I used Skill Extension and Maximize Duration and am only getting 15. I don’t have Duration UP on my Reactor as he does and I’m using Special Rounds Sharp Precision Shot instead of Impact Rounds. But I don’t know that should account for 2-3 shots.
You're never gonna get 18 here without a duration reactor, 17 is the ideal but only in perfect conditions, which is why we talked about MP management and combat states and I'm p sure I explicitly stated you wouldn't be getting 17 normally here and 16 would be what you usually see. That said, part of the whole point was you only needed 15 shots to kill something a critless build struggles to kill in 18. The diff between special and impact can absolutely account for a diff of one shot, which I also said in the video.
@@VashCowaii Thanks. I can still solo SwampWalker with 15. Somewhat inconsistently as he randomly frenzies at 50% shield for some reason at certain times. I have Max MP on my sensor as I stated. I don’t appear to be running out of mana. The ability simply ends. I even have -Skill Cost on my reactor. But if I could get 16-17 with the correct reactor and weapon setup, I’m good. Just don’t want to be the moron bragging about 13 shots. 😉 I will say reactor farming in this game sucks. Until they remove the trash stats like electric damage on a fire reactor, or let us reroll reactor stats like they do weapon stats, I just can’t see myself reactor farming. Spent 3 hours doing it today. Left with 200 reactors and by the time I got rid of the garbage I had 1 double gold with usable stats. And not the ones I was looking for… The weapon infusion idea is nice, but it barely scratches the surface of the real issues with reactor farming.
do u have a video explaining entage mechanics? when i heard the part where u said freyna can avoid hitting weak points to avoid enrage meter i got confused. I thought hitting weak points was a good thing and that's why people recommend weak point mods on weapons
skill damage can't get weakpoint bonuses. There are some skills that can deal firearm damage, like hailey's zenith, but this isn't such a case. If you break a weakpoint you're gonna interrupt whatever animation they were in and if their bar is full they're going to immediately go into frenzy without getting staggered and going down
@@VashCowaii I really need ur help man so please answer this comment. I am stuck on swamp walker! I managed to get all the components and reactor with the required golden rolls, using everything as in the vid and he frenzies EVERY SINGLE TIME!!! Can u please post a detailed video of how on earth do u kill him? Is there a recommended distance/side to attack from? any detail missed in this video not related to the build itself?
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EDIT: see below in the pin if you believe denney's DS speed kill changes anything(spoiler, he used crit)
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In general btw, but if you want help on your builds, feel free to join the discord. I may not always help with em personally, and sometimes we're all assholes, but if you can get past that then we've got people like twitter.com/TfdMaths in there always helpin out.
REGARDING THE DS SPEED KILL BY DENNEYS:
In an unsurprising turn of events, people are discovering crit lepic is good! Who'da thought kekw.
Grats to denneys on his DS speed kill, but I think some people are mistakenly going to believe this lends any weight to his critless argument on solo bosses, so I'm gonna copy paste my response to one such commenter:
"Yeah and that still doesn't change my argument. He used crit lepics in a scenario where he'll get 30% crit rate maximum with luna due to death stalker's 70% skill crit resist. He is, by proxy on death stalker, creating nearly identical conditions as solo swamp walker, except on swamp lepic gets 38% crit. We literally said in this very video you're better off running crit lepic with a luna in the higher bosses, and if crit lepic is better with even less crit rate there, is there any reason you should believe that crit lepic wouldn't be better than critless lepic here when you have even more crit rate here?
He's literally gone and verified my argument against him"
I don't get why peeps are surprised when all he's done now is gone and done exactly what I said you do and even adjusted his crit build using logic I discussed in the video. I don't hate him guys, I just think his argument for critless lepic is stupid as hell lol, and I hope you get why. Was a good DS kill tho, so props all the same.
please do ultimate viessa builds next
Do you have any advice for yujins first aid mod? I'm asking because the gley players are preventing the info from getting out. I don't know why? With first aid kit the gleys don't have to worry about losing damage because they don't have to pick it up. So some player say singular power heals more or medical support heals more Im using a little of both so I'm not sure what's more effective?
Bro, please slap Dennys for me. The dude is autistic in a bad way, misinformation central.
Saved me from having to redo my mod slots. 🙏🙏
hey vash i was wondering if you could do a video explaining how defense and dr worked for decendants one thing that kind of confuses me is that the max resist mods say +180% resistance to x element mean while the antil body ones give you a tangible 4.3k elemental resistance.
Are the max resist mods useless with out an anti body mod to go with it? and how does def,resistances, and incoming damage modifier synergize if at all. i wanna make the tankiest ajax i can possibly make just cause 😇
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I enjoy watching other creators, but when it comes to mastering a build, Vash is the only one I will listen to.
For every game there is always one creator that gets copied but only casually mentioned in those vids. In this game it’s you.
Yeah, it's honestly putting me off from this game and its community.
Mosxy just straight up steals Vash shit all the time. Dude is a clown
@@Im-Red-Factionhe's probably cleaning his tears with the money that he gets from his video's lmaoooo
@@DanteSparda66VI probably
@@DanteSparda66VI probably
I was just here for the ending pronunciation correction. Came over here from some others recommending you. Great stuff and thanks for all your help!
I just tried Dennys build. Its not bad at all. And I like them as a creator greatly. But when Vash throws a Fix video up...I'm there. And I listen.
@@bigt8746 when vash talks we all sit down and listen
thanks man!
The goat @@DenneysYT
Legit nearly tried the Denney build as it was a new video then I paused as I had Vash in my ear saying STOP, Lepic is a Crit Quadraped. Tx for the confirmation.
If you actually pictured the dog then that is impressive
ah yes, the sucky suck grenade
BROTHER I REQUIRE THE SUCKY SUCK
"Helldiver! You're the last one on Meridia. We need to collapse this planet into a black hole. Release the sucky suck machine! And return to Democracy's embrace!"
I called SucNadoe
I just want to say thank you @Vash Cowaii for giving us such in-depth guides!!!
---Very well made structured video about Lepic's playstyle.
---It'll be much appreciated, if you could do a Yujin or Viessa build.
---Probably the only content creator of this game that explains everything so in-depth and straight to the point. Keep it up!
0 crit lepic can be interesting if you want to use his ult for mobs.
Because crit takes many modules slots its complicated.
For mobing you want a lots of utility modules, so saving slots by using raw damage and adding utility is cool.
But in term of pure damage for bossing i dont see how 0 crit could be better than crit with such high numbers.
Its classic case of people dont know shit
Absolutely love your no nonsense approach to the guides and point out how youtubers out there clickbait with bs videos and mislead players. Thanks for the guide!
Both builds work. Crit & Non-Crit. This is overkill at this point. lol no pun intended.
I just want to say thank you for all your breakdown & explanation of everything. They have helped me a tons.
I am having so much fun with Lepic.
Thanks a lot! Realized that the component sub stats do really matter a lot. Was getting 11 shots, now about 16
by far the best content creator online. hilarious and intelligent. love your vids
Nice timing, just got ultimate lepic yesterday
Moxsy pin coming in hot : ''guiz don't play 0-crit Lepan''! video tomorrow!
Shots fired!
Its insane that he tests things for hours but then when he makes the video he just straight up copies, what a phony right
😂😂
Give him a few days. Then he will release it.
so true lol
Thank you for this video. For someone like me that doesn't have a lot of time to play/grind? This helps so much!
cant wait to see all the "crit -less" hailey's XDDDDDD on another note, i created a crit-less 400% dungeon valby with hydro pressure bomb transcendent mod build and it actually slaps face BUT i also utilize the every loving shnit out of the peacemaker gun in order to increase her dps (obviously) and no, she's not as good as freyna but she's WAY more engaging and fun to play.
oh please no
@VashCowaii Lmao is Valby someone you want to cover eventually? Would enjoy seeing your perspective on her.
"critless hailey" sounds cursed even just by reading it
Valby should only be building Crit with Supply Moisture. As that gives her a base of 25%.
Without Supply Moisture though, she only has a Base of 5% and should be building Crit-less. So if using any other mods, this would be the way to go. Some people really like her jumping nuke for mobbing. It's not the highest DPS she can do, but is fun and the right way to build with that mod should be Crit-less.
@@blackkat101 yeah, the mod is called hydro pressure bomb, i stated as such.
"Lofi-loving jayber main" HAHAHAHAHA!!!
Just the first 3 mins of this video shares info that I didnt even know. And ive put over 1000 hours into this game and try to get info from as many different people that sound logical as I can. If I could sub again I would. Love these videos.
Edit: Not the Lofi-loving Jayber main 😂🤣☠
Been waiting on this ! Thanks ! 🎉
Okay, I'm officially having you as my tfd creator guy, I've never enjoyed and laughed so much at RUclips Vidz, I can't wait for the other character guides, super excited!!!!!
Blair Critless build sooo good.
I’ll never question a Vash build but i will 1000% question a Moxsy build 😂
Doesn't hurt to still question me sometimes tho, but ye safe bet
Thanks again. Would still like to see your take on viessa. I invested in critless mods on her for the purposes of testing and am fairly certain crit outperforms by a wide margin. I tested on absolute zero, cold blooded and cold watch snap. I should probably start using your website instead of eating resources for in-game testing. Maybe one day we will have a chill descendant that can use them.
I think Freyna is a pretty chill descendant. Oh wait you meant that other kind of Chill.
I think the non-critical build works for mobing. With two more slot spaces you can reduce the cooldown.
7:51 I always love you calling people things if they screenshot and dip 🤣🤣🤣
I appreciated the whole video
The only times lepic has good mobbing in 400% is when you have a void zone unknown lab is a great example which from what ive seen is 99% of the time perfectly safe to throw enemies in exp and score is still added and loot spawns where the enemies picked up from which is the still the case if you manually kill them before they touch the floor again , or hes good when using overkill ofcourse which is why i personally run 80% cooldown on him for 16s downtime
Vash Cowaii, is there anyway to make Increased Efficiency viable for lepic?
In a world where everyone wants to be the first one to "come up" with a build without checking all their data first, I will 100% will trust and consume content from someone that has done the work and proves their claims with factual data. I would much rather see quality content that 3 or 4 videos of "updates" on the same builds because of new findings, meaning they never check their info to begin. And @vash has invited others to fact-check him on his work, and I have yet to see anyone do it. I'm really excited to see your weapon builds and be able to understand the math behind it better.
I was about to type that I make mistakes too, but then I read the rest of your comment and you already seem to get that. So ty for the kind words
Thanks for this great explanation it was a huge help for me 🤔🤩
I have all the descendants and Lepic has been the most fun for me.
I been waiting for this, man, thank you!
The second I saw that Denneys video I was waiting for the response 💀
Ikr 😂😂😂 I was losing brain cells seeing people in the comments copying the build
Him and moxsy just rip Vash off. Mainly Moxsy
Yall weird the dude gives credit it’s not hard for creators to make they own builds
@@hostbug1461 the zero crit frenya and bunny he didn’t 😂 literally word for word the same build that Vash did
Thank you thank you thank you!
father, when will you let me out of the bagged milk dungeon? I don't want anymore...
*turns on the lofi*
NEVER
There's no one else in this platform that I trust this much for builds as you Vash, thx for the content for real, it made my experience on the game much better
I’m glad you’re doing this; yes that video was BS!
:o
It's alright bro, we all make mistakes.
I've no qualms with you as a person, you're no moxsy as you at least try and I recognize that, but I'm not gonna shy away from correcting shit like that when I see it. I've no apologies to give so don't expect one, but if you have a case you'd like to make then make one, but it better be a good case you make as in your own video you made a claim that crit doesn't matter once base power modifiers exceed 1000%(I did listen to you, fully) and that was pretty out there man. You're also welcome to rail on my mistakes in the future in any which way you'd like and that's fair game.
Carry on, sir.
@@VashCowaii"you are no moxsy" ? can you explain it for those who don't know, like myself
@perturabo149 for some reason, they think moxsy took a build or 2 when there is only one way to scale damage... tbh it's bullshit because, like I said, there are only some many ways to make and build, and because one person makes one doesn't mean another person can't make a build that won't look similar. It's very gatekeepy imo.
@@BigRedeemer I agree there isn't much verity in building other than some descendants using Passionate sponsor or a full shield set up, even in the borderlands community I'd see moxsy get a lot of hate for generally no reason it seems other than he doesn't know how to properly make builds, idk just seems like people will always have a content creator in a space to hate like I do with Datto from Destiny 2
9:38 ow where did the frames go
Funnily enough my recording software has issues when I change songs on spotify, that's what caused the frame drop there but only on the recording
@VashCowaii lol
Loved the video. Love that ur not prim n proper n flat out just tell it how its is with colorful language. Keep it up bro
Im in no rush to see it but it would be cool to see an Ajax damage and bubble build in a future vid. Some of us bagged milk drinkers still need are hands held through simple stuff lol. Anyway love it man keep up the good work
Great video as always. Are there any plans to make an Enzo guide?
idk if it's the lack of not having maximize power, only having a blue mp recov in combat, or if im just not getting the timing right with Lepic's 4.. but i cannot for the life of me get beyond 12 shots if im lucky :/
May you add the enduring legacy to the build website? Even if it's not ideal, I just wanna see what potential my build has while I work to get the other better guns.
Sorry but I am going to need a in depth math video on how the slayer set works. I have tried endlessly googling why the set is so good compared to other sets and I am just not convinced on why I should run it over my all "HP stat roll components because the boss won't stop going for me when my 3 teammates are right there" set.
4 piece slayer gives 26.1 Skill damage %. Everything else gives either lower percentages of a specific element, skill Modifier which is less damage than skill %, small amounts of gun damage % or no damage boosts at all. The closest in strength to the Slayer set is the Distorted Resolve set from Death Stalker but that is for Toxic only and for a very specific Freyna build at that. Edit: If you just run guns (Example Enzo) then yes, the Slayer set isn't the best set for you.
@@dacks3375 I see, so it more of a "run this because everything else is bad" kind of thing instead of a "run this or the build won't work"?
@@WoAcct0 Pretty much. You can slap together some different 2 piece sets for quality of life stuff but if you are running skills nothing beats Slayer for damage.
If you're unfamiliar with the math btw I'd recommend watching the skill power and reactors vid I made. I don't explicitly talk about why slayer is good there, but the general math will help you understand WHY it's so good, but otherwise yeah the other sets are kinda shite at the moment, slayer is way too strong
So, the Mobbing Build has Maximize Conservations and Maximize Range. That should be a -40 Base Skill Power Modifier, but the screen shows -20. I'd always figured it wasn't a good idea to lose 40% Power Modifier and I don't see anything offsetting the other -20. What am I missing?
Overclock gives 20% and the calculator can account for that unless you toggle it off
@@VashCowaii Thanks! Good stuff. I love when there's math to back up a build.
I'm confused about the inclusion of Maximize Power. You said in the previous video that Spear & Shield is good because it affects Skill Power instead of the 2,760% modifier of Lepic's ultimate. Wouldn't that make Maximize Skill a better pick than Maximize Power? I guess the assumption didn't change seeing as how S&S is still in the build.
Edit: Literally 2 seconds after I posted this I looked at the skill tags and saw that "Maximize Skill" is a "Battle" module and conflicts with Fire Specialist, whereas "Maximize Power" is an Attack module and would only conflict with "Technician" which isn't in the build. So sorry for the dumb question I guess.
no worries man
Vash you gotta set the record straight on what builds power increase is good for because there is way to much misinformation out there now.
it's really dependent on both the build and your dangerous ambush uptime
@@VashCowaii My goat. from my testing on the solo bosses majority of the damage being delt is in a knocked state so i found power increase was useless compared to another damage increase
11:08 caught me off guard 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Saw the video about non-crit Lepic and was like, “why”. My ULT Lepic can solo all the bosses and then one phase every boss up until the last couple without a problem. No need to reinvent the wheel for him. His crit numbers are good and if you get a colossi/crit damage reactor you are golden. Someone talking about struggling to kill pyro when I can wipe him in under 10 seconds every time is pointless. Just run the standard hard hitting Lepic build until super late game bosses and swap to Yujin, Ajax, or Enzo for consistency.
Can you do Luna build next?
I've recently main her but my build is not yet optimized.
Sinsishem? I barely know 'im 🤔
Out of combatbat regen kicks in alot quicker than you think
Then get footage of it triggering faster than 5.5 seconds, because that is what I can prove as the interval between when you take damage and when it comes back.
It's hereeee! Thanks for the video! Big fan, coming from Remnant 2.
Also, will you do any gun builds?
Guns soon-ish. Still working on the calc code for them
Thank you for this video! Yesterday I got paired on Frost Walker public matchmaking constantly with a Lepic that just couldn't stop yapping about non-crit Lepic. While I swam through the sea of Bunnies, Ajax and that guy I tried explaining that he shouldn't dump a bunch of catalysts for that build. Now I just need to point people like him towards this channel!
Sadly some people aren't gonna be convinced on this topic. I've already run into a few that refuse to learn and can't provide any evidence to prove me wrong here either, they just wanna feel that way and there's legit nothing we can do about it.
I don’t get the fire amplification mod on the mobbing build over nimble fingers. Fingers lets you spam traction grenade the moment it’s done again.
You don’t really use your 4 for boss damage anymore I just use it for further AoE mobbing when I feel like it. I don’t find I need mana often in 400% so I use HP collector for sustain on him too once you reach final bosses.
And then regenerative breaking js so meh. I use power unit charge for my legacy and shotgun ironically to dish out more damage for the bosses. It also works with snapshot on King’s Guard Lance making that amazing with his traction grenade spam as you plop all 3 turrets down in the same spot and pull all enemies to their kill/freeze zone.
I love this version. His 4 still does enough damage to. R useful for mobbing, lance with traction grenade is awesome, and then you rely on your guns with power unit charge for bosses and lone elites.
m.ruclips.net/video/MYw2z6ElMLk/видео.html
But yeah Lepic feels like B tier everywhere now, even bossing where all the final colossi make the other gun based descendants much better. I just place him to look and feel cool lol. He’s just another Kyle now…good enough ti still feel OP but you’re always kidding yourself ti say he’s the “best” descendant at pretty much anything.
His traction grenades can pull swarms off cliffs to instant death though so that’s always fun 😂 Bullet sponge elite you say? Get YOINKED off a cliff to die at full health lol
I mean at that point just run Cont Freyna or EC Bunny. It'll take you a third of the time to clear the 400%. And Lepic is still S tier for DPS (probably still the best) on colossi (with the least amount of prep required), I don't know why you'd think otherwise.
EDIT: I mean don't get me wrong use what you want, but at a certain point you're just... gimping yourself and making the missions take longer for no reason
just to ask isnt lepic a big modifer character where maximize power is irrelevent to his damage. I know theres maximze skill which adds to skill power but it being a battle mode what about Fire Syncytium
Did I miss something? What happened to skill duration reactor + battle of stamina instead of spear and shield?
I guess it’s just a numbers thing, 6.667% more dmg (8%/1.2) x 6.42% more dmg (8.1%/1.261) I can see it being more than one more tic per shot and one more shot, but the difference has to be miniscule, no?
I guess it’s good to know I have more options now for a good reactor, cause I still need to get a better one :/
BoS was good in perfect conditions when we undervalued the AOE field ticks of overkills shots. But that was undervalued, that's why last time I had to add info to the pinned comment, and that's why in this vid I mentioned they were undervalued last time. BoS is still good in conditions where you NEED more HP for some reason as well, but for solo boss farming you're better off just committing to damage as we mention here.
@@VashCowaii it’s also already hard to get mp for 18 shots, so i guess there’s that, but yeah, duration reactor + BoS makes the dot tick for one more round.
Nvm, i should just do the maths xdd, i believe without dur + BoS its 14 ticks, so its a 15/14 - 1 = 7.1% dmg increase but ONLY to the dot and the extra shot, even if you do it, 19/18 - 1 = 5.5556% dmg increase, so both numbers are lower than the tech + spear and shield numbers AND one of them is not even total shot dmg increase and the other one is really hard to get.
Well, good to know i need a new reactor.
I mean, i needed to farm anyways cause my collossi + duration had purple collossi dmg anayways, so yeah.
For a mathematician i really dont like doing the numbers myself XDD
Tbf i hadnt had my morning coffee yet, thx anyways :)
Thanks thanks thanks for bringing clarity.
All the jayber mains being read to filth 😂
I can't recall ever seeing a Jayber in game outside of kingston Albion Defense and then even only 2 or 3 times
Outside the npc you mean?
the npc comment is seriously amazing, just remembered it and started laughing again god damnit
@@VashCowaii lmaoo
What about Valby? 0 crit suits better for her? Hope some day you can cover Viessa and Valby, you're by far the best TFD content creator
does enlightenment work here ? let's say if i swap it with spear and shield for the increased MP. Will it still be a net damage loss ?
How much is damaged lost in a group play versus damage increase in solo play during a Collosi boss fight? I assume the Lepic builds towards the end are more for solo play than group play.
There doesn't seem to be many videos showcasing group play where the damage scales according to how many are in a party. How would you increase your damage in group play to match or even have a close enough damage numbers similar to playing solo during a Collosus fight?
Lepic still does stellar group damage. It's obviously best if you can run with a team you know can guaranteed one phase the boss before a frenzy, but on something like frost walker in particular that is almost guaranteed in public groups. Once you get to Gluttony or DS you pretty much need to run in a premade team if you're gonna do lepic though, and people have already shown crit lepic with a support can do wonders there.
You know what? I like when creator talk or critisize each other. This should be there much more often, I know some from the Asian region who always think their builds are the best and all others are wrong. ;)
I am generally of the same belief. There's no reason to hold everyone's hand, lets as a community get the best info possible and call out what you see wrong as you see it.
Did this build without the Max MP (cant get it to drop), but have the recovery stats on the other components. Can't get more than 9 shots.
Remember when I said the MP roll was the most important thing? Or did you skip that bit
@@VashCowaii Saw that, and cant get it to drop yet, but I'm skeptical that it would cause such a massive difference. I suppose I'd expect a few shots, but not halved.
You say you don't need survival mods but I do. Without a HP mod I only have 4k HP and that's with max HP rolls on my components. Lepic is way too squishy without a HP mod imo. This is without the Slayer set. With that set and a HP mod it goes up to only 8k health. Still squishier than my other Descendants. Slayer set without a HP mod only has 2774 health which is very bad. A slight breeze will kill.
Naz Tech Reactor
Gold Tech roll
Purple Fire power ratio
Is what I’m rocking
I can’t get a good tech/colossus 🥲least it’s good for mobbing but I can’t tell if the no colossus attack is what’s holding my lepic back from one phasing swamp or I’m just bad 🥲😂
It is the no Colossus atk which is holding u back
Does any weapon work with this build? Or is there a preference?
probably stupid question and maybe i missed a video but i don't understand the discussion around intentionally missing weakpoints to avoid frenzy (or more specifically why you want to miss weakpoints)
breaking weakpoints can end whatever animation a boss was in and force them to go straight into frenzy when you would have normally had more time to shoot and force them to get staggered and go down
Could someone explain to me why spear and shield is better than fire syncitium? From what I understand Fire skill power and normal skill power are different buckets. And we dont have that many options to increase normal skill power, hence spear and shield is better. But why dont we switch out fire specialist for maximize skill? Its even higher than the fire skill power increase.
Thanks a lot.
Dangerous ambush doesn't have 100% uptime. In a scenario where the boss is immobilized for the last 60% of the fight, spear is better than fire sync.
For similar reasons, we don't use maximize skill as well, it would be a damage loss as I mentioned in the video. Stuff like this is always gonna depend on the character and what their specific fights look like, and on lepic this is the best
@@VashCowaii Thanks a lot for the reply, but unfortunately I still don't understand the reasoning for valuing normal sp higher in the first example and lower in the second.
I understand your reasoning for going with spear and shield now and i watched the part in your vid where you went over maximize skill and how it depends on he character, but I cant wrap my head around the reason in lepics case.
Unfortunately I have to catalyse him some more to test the difference. Thanks for the guide nonetheless, this was the impulse I needed to revisit my Lepic and change stuff up.
So I copied the build exact and only get 9 shots maximum. What's happening?
@@RobbieRobbie you’re level 1
Bagged milk? Hey, I resemble a Canadian who drank Bagged milk as a kid. 🍁😂🇨🇦
What's next? Crit-less Blair?
what weapon should i use for Bossing?
I don't understand why they didn't go the warframe route, by making unique weapons separately moddable. It's not explained in the game anywhere how it works. (if I'm correct)
Idk if you recall but warframe started like this too. It was at least 6 or 7 years before they adopted separately modded exalted weapons. You are correct though that in the overwhelming majority of cases, this game does not explain it, but neither did wf.
I do wish they'd go that route too though, eventually, but I think there are much much bigger issues for them to address first
@@VashCowaiiyes I know warframe didn't start like that, but if they copied a lot of stuff from wf, why not this one too...?
For the bossing setup is the build still recommened? Lepic is the only character I have not worked on yet since the game encourages you to build different element base descendants thats whatvi been doing but not sure how i wanna go about it like warframe i like to setup the build and ever so rarely use another forma or on this case crystal catalys i know 4 bossing i'll need to slot in all 4 crit mods leaving me sith 6 slots
this is still the build ye
Which weapon do people typically run with him?
Hi, how the ambush be a gain, when the boss takes the 1rst hits, it will immediatly notice. Does that not cancel the ambush effect?...
Ambush has 2 effects if you look closely. One is for no-target, and the other is for when the boss is downed
How do you prevent a boss from entering a frenzy?
Well i got baited lol thanks for showing me the correct build, will you be doing weapon builds any time soon i keep seeing enduring legacy builds but i have no idea what ones are actually good
Weapons are soon-ish but not yet. Still building out the weapon's side of the site and their math.
@@VashCowaii excellent thank you ☺️
I love that you make bagged milk jokes. This is a thing I been giving my Canadian gaming friends grief for years now. Now playing this game and you too piling it on is fantastic.
I have a canadian friend who lives in the normal part of canada and bagged milk has been a joke between us for some time.
@@VashCowaii same my friend don’t even have bagged milk. But every time there is like an argument or something I end it with something like “don’t listen to him he gets milk in bags” or something 😂
Is there something about targeting on the colossus that you're not covering? I am using your build, full Slayer with gold MP, Naz reactor with gold colossus and gold crit rate, and in 2 dozen runs, Swamp Walker always goes immune with ~10-50% health left.
Have you tried what he said in the beginning and hold the trigger when you are roll canceling? Cause he does mention the way Lepic's ult targets weakspots is super random.
Great content!
Now i fixed all my descendants. I only need to fix and optimize my grilfriend. Thanks
gonna be hard to help you there, but I can try
swamp should die consistenly with ur reactor just having 2550 colo atk - 2nd roll get anything
Question i have is i used ur bunny farm build and then tried power stance i havent notice a change and went back to your farm build is that mod worth it or would u be better off using mods thst flst out buff skill and element damage?
Question what about fire power ratio over tech ratio because that would affect overclock as well as overkill rather than just overkill with tech?
I'd go watch my vid on skill power and reactors, will help answer that question
How do you tell if a character benefits from Crit or not? Is there something you look for or do you practice with the builds?
Base crit rate.
Was Lepic nerfed because I can't get him to shoot that dast with those mods?
Love the candid openess, underated or underdog both descriptions work, your theory and builds are based keep up the good work.
I didnt notice you mention which weapon is best only that it's green ammo, any that are better than others or is it just safe to use nazeistras
So long as you get the mods on there, yeah that's fine
Why use Fire Amp when it lowers crit damage by 140%?
Is the new crit mod worth using at all ? Also what are to break point to crit, 20%? Saw some vid on crit valby with the red mod
Depends entirely on the character and both their crit rate as well as their base crit damage
So, I’ve been trying this out and even with Maximize Duration, I’m only getting 15 shots.
I have a max MP on my sensor that gives me 399 MP. I am trying to roll quickly, but am currently using Special Rounds for Sharp Precision Shot. I wouldn’t think that should account for 2-3 shots?
Battle stamina,mp accelerant, skill extension, and a gold role of skill duration on your reactor will get you 17 shots without losing power.
@@SMG-CARNAGE Well, I was assuming the build presented here would as well as often as it was mentioned. I used Skill Extension and Maximize Duration and am only getting 15. I don’t have Duration UP on my Reactor as he does and I’m using Special Rounds Sharp Precision Shot instead of Impact Rounds. But I don’t know that should account for 2-3 shots.
You're never gonna get 18 here without a duration reactor, 17 is the ideal but only in perfect conditions, which is why we talked about MP management and combat states and I'm p sure I explicitly stated you wouldn't be getting 17 normally here and 16 would be what you usually see. That said, part of the whole point was you only needed 15 shots to kill something a critless build struggles to kill in 18.
The diff between special and impact can absolutely account for a diff of one shot, which I also said in the video.
@@VashCowaii Thanks. I can still solo SwampWalker with 15. Somewhat inconsistently as he randomly frenzies at 50% shield for some reason at certain times.
I have Max MP on my sensor as I stated. I don’t appear to be running out of mana. The ability simply ends. I even have -Skill Cost on my reactor.
But if I could get 16-17 with the correct reactor and weapon setup, I’m good. Just don’t want to be the moron bragging about 13 shots. 😉
I will say reactor farming in this game sucks. Until they remove the trash stats like electric damage on a fire reactor, or let us reroll reactor stats like they do weapon stats, I just can’t see myself reactor farming.
Spent 3 hours doing it today. Left with 200 reactors and by the time I got rid of the garbage I had 1 double gold with usable stats. And not the ones I was looking for…
The weapon infusion idea is nice, but it barely scratches the surface of the real issues with reactor farming.
do u have a video explaining entage mechanics? when i heard the part where u said freyna can avoid hitting weak points to avoid enrage meter i got confused. I thought hitting weak points was a good thing and that's why people recommend weak point mods on weapons
skill damage can't get weakpoint bonuses. There are some skills that can deal firearm damage, like hailey's zenith, but this isn't such a case. If you break a weakpoint you're gonna interrupt whatever animation they were in and if their bar is full they're going to immediately go into frenzy without getting staggered and going down
@@VashCowaii I really need ur help man so please answer this comment. I am stuck on swamp walker! I managed to get all the components and reactor with the required golden rolls, using everything as in the vid and he frenzies EVERY SINGLE TIME!!! Can u please post a detailed video of how on earth do u kill him? Is there a recommended distance/side to attack from? any detail missed in this video not related to the build itself?
Are the new modules good for Valby ?
I dont have a doubt that someday we will see a youtuber making and convincing to use 0 crit build on sharen and blair
ok, if that happens, its brain damage
people are already trying to make an argument for hailey