I have watched Keith since the beginning. When he got the lathe, it looked like a dead elephant. Some troll stated "you bought trash, that will never run". I had faith because its a rare machine that Keith , with his gentle southern patience and vast knowledge cannot fix. And here we are.
This is so great that you are doing what you love Keith, as they say love what you do and not work a day in your life. I just hope one day I can find a great lathe like you did fella. I hope this year I will be able to stop over and say hello Keith.Good day and hope you had a Happy Easter too. Peace vf
Lucky you. I never got to run one out of the many I have. Pacemakers are also top tier but I was green and hadn't learned to fully take advantage of it when I was on it. The Axleson wasn't tall enough for me and the Hendey and Cincinnati were older Missed out on the LeBlonds too. Now Okumas are very nice for a 20 x 80 and sturdier than they look from a distance.
Had a similar electrical problem with my 12" Chinese lathe. I think lightning got the electric panel and literally SMOKED IT. LUCKY IT DIDN'T BURN MY SHOP DOWN. I was totally lost. A dozen switches and a hundred wiring connections just blew me away. I scrapped out the entire control system and replaced it with a $20 rotary switch and a $15 emergency disconnect switch. Now it's wired just like a 1950 model lathe or mill. The best part is, now I understand it.
I continue to be impressed by the kindness and generosity of your viewers. Glad you got rid of those gremlins. A little corrosion will slow you down. Standing next to the tailstock gives a sense of scale. Look forward to chips flying. Thanks for sharing.
Hi Keith been here a while like many. That is a nice Monarch. What a nice viewer to come by and help you and the machine even sounds great. Nice tail stock if it was not for you they would today be gone, way to go Keith. Thank you for the share, Lance & Patrick.
There is a corn farmer up north of you that also works on chip pans on big Monarch lathes, he recently repaired one that had been destroyed by a forklift, he is probably not very busy right now, I think the ground is still frozen up there. Have a nice week.
You have all the BEST toys!! It always puts a big smile on my face to watch one of your video, to have such great machines to play (work) with, it must be fun!!
Monarch still has a parts and warrant division here in cortland ny. My father worked for monarch from 1972 to the day the closed the cortland plant. You can do a little research and find their contact info .my dad stopped by and was visiting old co workers they still have all the specs to make parts
You have to be lucky sometimes, getting a tailstock and steady must have been nearly as exciting as the electricals fixed. Looking forward to seeing future progress.
Hey Keith - Were you this happy and excited when your kids were born ?!!!!! So glad that you got the Monarch running. I have been waiting to to see the Monarch run, from the it arrived in the shop.
I'm betting that Keith gets another few steps into that Monarch and before you know it he is scraping ways and making slight corrections until it runs better than it did the day it came off the factory floor.
Anything that is designed to specifically prevent or specifically allow operation of a device dependent on the state of another device or environmental condition is called an "interlock". An Interlock can be something as simple as a switch on a door that prevents machine or circuit operation while the door is open up to a complex series of multiple machine conditions, temperature, humidity, light conditions, time, vibration, etc. that only allows a device to operate under a set of narrowly defined environmental parameters. Tracing interlock circuits on old equipment, especially equipment that has been damaged, modified, or altered can be a royal pain in the ass.
Impressive 1500 rpm for a large machine of that, or any age. Check your lubrication before running it in anger. Thanks for sharing and best regards from the UK.
Now your equipped for those “odd jobs” like someone needs a replacement barrel for their WWII era battle tank. As they say, let the chips fall where they may (they’ll stack up fast with this bad boy). 😎👍👏
I'd have to check the parts diagram but I'm pretty sure that the apron oil pump runs off the same shaft as the rapids, so no rapid feed also means no oil to the saddle and apron. Might want to prioritize that repair
@@glennanderson4440 I think it is similar to the 10EE in that the pump has a couple of arms, one actuated by the cross feed and the other by carriage feed. Very different from the apron with rapids.
Looks great, Keith! Does the compound connect directly to the cross slide or is that what you have to modify because of removing the tracing attachment? Also, have you been able to come up with anything about the base of the tailstock to get you more contact?
They have bigger ones surplus in decommissioned navy shipyards. How about a 36" next time? Add a 50 ton gantry crane? You could make some cool clock parts with that set up, maybe? "It's not just a job, it's a passion."
Keith: I think you will find that the rapid drive is a hydraulic motor run from that tank and pump. The oil pump in the carriage also runs off of that drive shaft so it is necessary. Monarch lathes with power rapid traverse did not have a hand knob on the carriage feed wheel, lots of folks added one but there is no counter balance weight on the wheel. Also if you do add one DO NOT use your left hand to move the carriage! It will smack your wrist, been there bought that t-shirt. Those lathes are a BEAST they love to remove metal.
What are the odds of an electrician with motor controls as a specialty dropping in. Great! And do you really need a drill chuck on the tail stock? why not mount a morse taper attachment on the carriage?
A real Morse 5 tailstock allows you to run live centre, dead centre, bullnose pipe centres, cup centre and a drill chuck, etc. I agree, a drill attachment on the carriage is best.
That Monarch spindle speed control looks similar to what is on a LeBlond Servo Shift. I tend to avoid any lathe with hydraulic speed control valves, they can be a nightmare to troubleshoot, I prefer direct geared head lathes.
"Old mechanical time clock" - Believe it or not, that is exactly what is still made and commonly used for defrost timers on commercial refrigeration like walk-in coolers at restaurants.
This seems to be your last video on this 28" Monrach. I don't think I've ever seen you using this lathe. Did I miss something? Perhaps you decided to get rid of it?
you are very welcome Keith! Thanx again for having me out for happy fun shop times, that was a good one, lots of strange stuff and odd readings. I look forward to next time, maybe by then I'll have one of these to play with; ruclips.net/video/scZaJUEffY4/видео.html those old controls are usually very durable and can be refurbished without special tools so they normally last a long time so I knew there would not be big problems.
Don't do that!. You don't need at all to have morse tapered tailstock once you have a really good tool post with morse. Carriage will allow you to power drill easier on these bigger machines, and with really big drills.
@@petemclinc that is correct, it is essentially a volt meter hooked to a CT that a motor lead wraps through a couple of times. Current Transformer, so a voltage output to a volt meter that reads in amps.
Nice machine , does the replacement tail stock line up center on the head stock ? You have a 3 & 4 jaw chuck for the old girl ? LOVE to run that girl for a while. Question ? how long a bed ?
Keith, Buddy. Lately some of your videos have had audio tracks, parts of which are indecipherable. That's because of machine noise or excessive distance from the mike. This video at 9:00 is an example. I mention this to be helpful, not to be unpleasant. I watch every one of you great videos. My wife thinks you're the best for getting me to wear a shop apron. Please choke up on the mike. 🃏🔦 Kind regards, Mike in Round Hill
Keith, that is a great lathe, did you see the article that was written on "super lathes" : www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/antique-machinery-and-history/heavy-duty-lathes-115875/ I believe this model falls into this category. I looked at a 610 that was in excellent shape but had to pass because I don't have a space for it. Don't modify the bearing tailstock, if you want the drilling capability use a power drilling attachment for the carriage the way DSG do it, much better and you will also have power feed and fast retract: picclick.co.uk/Dean-Smith-And-Grace-DSG-Power-Drilling-Attachment-113701121246.html#&gid=1&pid=1 I picked up one for $100, much cheaper and easier than modifying the tailstock. Looking forward to seeing some big blue chips!
She's a stout machine. History of the Industrial Age tells us that the country with the best machine tools is the most productive and wealthy. Monarch USA tells that story well.
The 612 and 614 are the perfect lathes in my opinion. The absolute peak.
A little old lady owned the machine..only turned Aluminum on Sundays. Ignore the sawdust in the gearbox!!!
I have watched Keith since the beginning. When he got the lathe, it looked like a dead elephant. Some troll stated "you bought trash, that will never run". I had faith because its a rare machine that Keith , with his gentle southern patience and vast knowledge cannot fix. And here we are.
that is a solid machine and worth every penny.
That look after you sparked up the Lathe was priceless...
Good going Niels ! That's awesome that the Monarch is rocking and rolling now
This is so great that you are doing what you love Keith, as they say love what you do and not work a day in your life. I just hope one day I can find a great lathe like you did fella. I hope this year I will be able to stop over and say hello Keith.Good day and hope you had a Happy Easter too. Peace vf
Isn’t it great that there are wonderful people in this world like Niels, who are willing to freely share their skills and talents with others.
i got a sandwich out of the deal.
That smile of yours is sure very large this day..........great having helpful viewers.
I ran one like that for years great lathe.
Lucky you. I never got to run one out of the many I have. Pacemakers are also top tier but I was green and hadn't learned to fully take advantage of it when I was on it. The Axleson wasn't tall enough for me and the Hendey and Cincinnati were older Missed out on the LeBlonds too. Now Okumas are very nice for a 20 x 80 and sturdier than they look from a distance.
Excellent that the beast lives and wasn't a total nightmare to get it that way. When you sell the LeBlond you'll be an all-Monarch shop.
Thank you for rescuing this lathe from going to the scrapper !
Nice going Keith, good to see it running! Very generous of the viewer to step up and help like that.
Wow! What a beautiful monster of a lathe!
Had a similar electrical problem with my 12" Chinese lathe. I think lightning got the electric panel and literally SMOKED IT. LUCKY IT DIDN'T BURN MY SHOP DOWN. I was totally lost. A dozen switches and a hundred wiring connections just blew me away. I scrapped out the entire control system and replaced it with a $20 rotary switch and a $15 emergency disconnect switch. Now it's wired just like a 1950 model lathe or mill. The best part is, now I understand it.
Well done Nils, great bit of assistance provided there.
Thanks for sharing Keith 👍🇦🇺
I continue to be impressed by the kindness and generosity of your viewers. Glad you got rid of those gremlins. A little corrosion will slow you down. Standing next to the tailstock gives a sense of scale. Look forward to chips flying. Thanks for sharing.
gremlins is the right word, that thing threw me for a loope or two.
I know your excited about this one Keith!! Congrats...
The look on your face when the lathe started was priceless.
Hi Keith been here a while like many. That is a nice Monarch. What a nice viewer to come by and help you and the machine even sounds great. Nice tail stock if it was not for you they would today be gone, way to go Keith.
Thank you for the share, Lance & Patrick.
There is a corn farmer up north of you that also works on chip pans on big Monarch lathes, he recently repaired one that had been destroyed by a forklift, he is probably not very busy right now, I think the ground is still frozen up there. Have a nice week.
Your excitement is contagious!
It's easy when you know how, and it looks like you're learning how. Very nice lathe! Can't wait to see some big turning on that beauty.
You have all the BEST toys!! It always puts a big smile on my face to watch one of your video, to have such great machines to play (work) with, it must be fun!!
looking good Keith. Nice to have good friends.
"Hopefully this isn't going to turn into too big of a project" I look forward to the next video series :)
Hi Keith that is super good news.
Monarch still has a parts and warrant division here in cortland ny. My father worked for monarch from 1972 to the day the closed the cortland plant. You can do a little research and find their contact info .my dad stopped by and was visiting old co workers they still have all the specs to make parts
You have to be lucky sometimes, getting a tailstock and steady must have been nearly as exciting as the electricals fixed. Looking forward to seeing future progress.
That is a beautiful machine, always liked the Monarchs!
A wonderful part of the community here! So happy to see this machine running!
Looks good Niels
Coming right along !👍
Hey Keith - Were you this happy and excited when your kids were born ?!!!!!
So glad that you got the Monarch running. I have been waiting to to see the Monarch run, from the it arrived in the shop.
Nice work Mr Rucker
What a beautiful machine, sound like it runs nice, lots of great features.
I want a lathe that size!!
I believe rapids on that series of Monarch are hydraulic driven so likely your oil issue is effecting them as well.
yea the hydraulics need a bit of lovin' now
Good job mister
I absolutely love the shape of that machine! And the color is perfect!
Keith that is some exciting news. I look forward to see you making chips soon.
I'm betting that Keith gets another few steps into that Monarch and before you know it he is scraping ways and making slight corrections until it runs better than it did the day it came off the factory floor.
I say we make Niels an honorary southerner! Awesome! And, War Eagle!
i gots me a hat already!
That's a really nice lathe. I don't think I've ever seen that model before.
Hey! It’s got a tailstock! I must have missed that episode!
cool machine
Anything that is designed to specifically prevent or specifically allow operation of a device dependent on the state of another device or environmental condition is called an "interlock". An Interlock can be something as simple as a switch on a door that prevents machine or circuit operation while the door is open up to a complex series of multiple machine conditions, temperature, humidity, light conditions, time, vibration, etc. that only allows a device to operate under a set of narrowly defined environmental parameters.
Tracing interlock circuits on old equipment, especially equipment that has been damaged, modified, or altered can be a royal pain in the ass.
"Right On"
trouble shoot a folding hard top convertible once...
Yay!
That's great!
Thanks.
Impressive 1500 rpm for a large machine of that, or any age.
Check your lubrication before running it in anger.
Thanks for sharing and best regards from the UK.
Some Monarch's have Hydraulic Spindle bearings, keeps constant pressure on bearings as they heat up and cool down.
Nice simple fix, good deal.
Congratulations :-) I was good to get a project running
The eternal optimist "It won't take much".
Now your equipped for those “odd jobs” like someone needs a replacement barrel for their WWII era battle tank. As they say, let the chips fall where they may (they’ll stack up fast with this bad boy). 😎👍👏
if you cant put a tank barrel into it can you really call it a lathe?
I'd have to check the parts diagram but I'm pretty sure that the apron oil pump runs off the same shaft as the rapids, so no rapid feed also means no oil to the saddle and apron. Might want to prioritize that repair
Or is it the power feed screw, as rapids is an option?
@@glennanderson4440 It's a different apron with the rapids.
@@russkepler My 612 (no rapid) has an apron sump
eservoir and it works whenever the carriage moves...l thought.
@@glennanderson4440 I think it is similar to the 10EE in that the pump has a couple of arms, one actuated by the cross feed and the other by carriage feed. Very different from the apron with rapids.
Hopefully someone contacts you & tells you that they have a tracing attachment designed for your lathe
Great Video, Keith
Good Morning! :)
now you can do big work!!! nice.
When you get it running you need to make some DEEP cuts and make Abom jealous.
If Keith isn't careful, Adam will be camping in that shop, just to use the big Monarch. ;>)
Looks great, Keith! Does the compound connect directly to the cross slide or is that what you have to modify because of removing the tracing attachment? Also, have you been able to come up with anything about the base of the tailstock to get you more contact?
They have bigger ones surplus in decommissioned navy shipyards. How about a 36" next time? Add a 50 ton gantry crane? You could make some cool clock parts with that set up, maybe? "It's not just a job, it's a passion."
ill take one.
Keith: I think you will find that the rapid drive is a hydraulic motor run from that tank and pump. The oil pump in the carriage also runs off of that drive shaft so it is necessary. Monarch lathes with power rapid traverse did not have a hand knob on the carriage feed wheel, lots of folks added one but there is no counter balance weight on the wheel. Also if you do add one DO NOT use your left hand to move the carriage! It will smack your wrist, been there bought that t-shirt. Those lathes are a BEAST they love to remove metal.
What a monster
That is an awsome lathe
You should have named the lathe Gordon, so you could announce, in a booming voice, "GORDON'S ALIVE!" 😀
Keith! Aaaa-aaaahhh!
Great video Cant wait to you get your gantry crane built so you can use that wench trolley I gave you
That's awesome! It's good to have friends with special powers! LOL
At the 7:50 mark, when you started it up at 1500 RPM, it should have gotten up to speed better than that. Have you adjusted the clutch yet?
I do have some 220 volt and 3 phase contact relays if you have a need for them
Check out Brian Block working (heating and beating) on his monarch chip pan.
What are the odds of an electrician with motor controls as a specialty dropping in. Great! And do you really need a drill chuck on the tail stock? why not mount a morse taper attachment on the carriage?
dropping in at keiths shop? 1 to 1. it seems everyone stops by at some time or another.
A real Morse 5 tailstock allows you to run live centre, dead centre, bullnose pipe centres, cup centre and a drill chuck, etc. I agree, a drill attachment on the carriage is best.
That Monarch spindle speed control looks similar to what is on a LeBlond Servo Shift. I tend to avoid any lathe with hydraulic speed control valves, they can be a nightmare to troubleshoot, I prefer direct geared head lathes.
"Old mechanical time clock" - Believe it or not, that is exactly what is still made and commonly used for defrost timers on commercial refrigeration like walk-in coolers at restaurants.
i miss my central heating timer, the digital one needs a space degree to change it...
This seems to be your last video on this 28" Monrach. I don't think I've ever seen you using this lathe. Did I miss something? Perhaps you decided to get rid of it?
you are very welcome Keith! Thanx again for having me out for happy fun shop times, that was a good one, lots of strange stuff and odd readings. I look forward to next time, maybe by then I'll have one of these to play with; ruclips.net/video/scZaJUEffY4/видео.html those old controls are usually very durable and can be refurbished without special tools so they normally last a long time so I knew there would not be big problems.
Ah yes. The clasical. "Its operational" failure. Happened to me a few times as well
that thing's a beast. =O
Kieth did you have fun in the old machine shop? How many tools followed you home? I see your handwheel is a little broken.
what size of motor on that lathe? what size is your rorto-phase? what size is your service 100 amp? to building
Don't do that!. You don't need at all to have morse tapered tailstock once you have a really good tool post with morse. Carriage will allow you to power drill easier on these bigger machines, and with really big drills.
why do monarchs have such small spindle bores
Would these monarch repairs be the subject for a weekend project?
Although it certainly wouldn't be an original look, it might work well to have the chip pan sprayed with a truck bedliner material.
they do it in grey, so it could work anyway
@@jusb1066 oh I didn't realize that.. thanks!
Good work Neils. Does anyone know what the meter above the controls is for ?
It is a load indicator.
Ammeter for spindle motor so as not to overload and trip it out.
@@petemclinc that is correct, it is essentially a volt meter hooked to a CT that a motor lead wraps through a couple of times. Current Transformer, so a voltage output to a volt meter that reads in amps.
It sounded strange when it was running, or am I wrong?
That panel box has more wiring than a house panel.
that thing is LOUD!!!
What year is she?
Odds & ends 61: tracer attachment
Nice machine , does the replacement tail stock line up center on the head stock ? You have a 3 & 4 jaw chuck for the old girl ? LOVE to run that girl for a while. Question ? how long a bed ?
Keith, Buddy. Lately some of your videos have had audio tracks, parts of which are indecipherable. That's because of machine noise or excessive distance from the mike. This video at 9:00 is an example. I mention this to be helpful, not to be unpleasant. I watch every one of you great videos. My wife thinks you're the best for getting me to wear a shop apron.
Please choke up on the mike. 🃏🔦
Kind regards, Mike in Round Hill
I guess, Niels will not visit you again, lol. Maybe he is in his backyard, burning all his maps from Georgia....
i went back through there a few weeks later. might stop by again next year
Well now I have to know why the rapid traverses don't work.
time to throw a small tractor up in there and make some chips. :)
Who, had to puch down on my headset... you need som plugs operating that “beauty” ... 😳
its loud in person too
Might just be Nils and not Niels. Nils is a common Swedish name, and many Swedes emigrated to Minnesota.
that is correct
Keith, that is a great lathe, did you see the article that was written on "super lathes" :
www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/antique-machinery-and-history/heavy-duty-lathes-115875/
I believe this model falls into this category. I looked at a 610 that was in excellent shape but had to pass because I don't have a space for it.
Don't modify the bearing tailstock, if you want the drilling capability use a power drilling attachment for the carriage the way DSG do it, much better and you will also have power feed and fast retract:
picclick.co.uk/Dean-Smith-And-Grace-DSG-Power-Drilling-Attachment-113701121246.html#&gid=1&pid=1
I picked up one for $100, much cheaper and easier than modifying the tailstock.
Looking forward to seeing some big blue chips!
Thats an Abom size lathe.
She's a stout machine.
History of the Industrial Age tells us that the country with the best machine tools is the most productive and wealthy. Monarch USA tells that story well.