The Tourbillon Explained: Spectacular But Useless? Moser Pioneer Tourbillon Review
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- Today we take a closer look at the tourbillon, being one of the most involved complications to develop, and fascinating to look at. In the video, we will cover why it was developed, how it works, whether it is useful, and finish off the video by taking a closer look by reviewing this cool Moser Pioneer tourbillon.
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Teddy...not gonna lie dude, the cinematic production quality in this video was unbelievable. Absolutely beautifully done! Now....I’m not a guy who needs a lesson on tourbillons, but it was still very enjoyable to relearn haha I love them, they’re pure art and class. Even if they are basically useless.
Nate, I've watched this video several times and I still don't get how a tourbillon works. These watch guys talk too fast.
@@davidhunternyc1 Coil in a nutshell
H. Moser makes some of the most beautiful watches out there and their CEO is very engaged with the owners. It is very refreshing. Great company and great low production, completely in-house watches.
"Useless but lots of fun" accurately describes both tourbillons and me when I was in my 20s.
I stumbled across some Chinese watches with tourbillons recently for just under $500. Of course, the rest of the watch looks like it came out of a gumball machine, but if you just HAVE to have a tourbillon without taking on studen loan-sized debt...
Richard mille watches look like they come from a gumball machine too
King Willie ....naaahhh....
Owning one of the watches you are talking about i can assure you the rest of the watch looks amazing. You need to understand the companies that make movements and the companies that assemble the watch with their own case are different entities. With enough searching you can find a company that added a very tasteful dial and case to the tourbillon movement. My own looks almost the same as the one in this video. It has a plan stainless steel case accompanied by a plain blue with slight purple fade sunburst dial with a tourbillon cutout and nothing else. Very tasteful and very well made, accurate and durable. The anti-chinese made product prejudice should die already.
@@argatar Y'know, that's a good point. The watches I was referring to looked bad, but I didn't see them in person, and I'm sure we've all had experience with the difference between looking at something on a screen vs how it looks on your wrist (I have a Seiko "Save the Ocean" that looks nice online but is so beautiful in front of me that it makes my heartrate increase.) I'm not going to pretend the photos I saw looked nice (they didn't) but if you contend they look better in person, I believe you.
I also apologize if my comment came off as anti-Chinese. My intention was to focus on the cheapness of the product, but mentioning that they were from China wasn't supposed to be part of that. I was just trying to point out where I'd seen them for sale, but I should have left that part out.
jogu123 yeahhhh
Tourbillons such as the Gyrotourbillon from JLC, the 90 degree tourbillon from FP. Journe, or the 30 degree tourbillon from Greubel Forsey are a few examples of innovations that allow the tourbillon to have an actual practical purpose even in a wristwatch :)
and the prices for those pieces certainly reflect it, that JLC gyrotourbillion though, so hypnotizing took my breath away!
I got offiicial reply from JLC that only for their tourbillon models JLC guarantees accuracy of -2/+2 seconds per day on average. For their other models they guarantee -4/+6 seconds per day. Therefore, I guess tourbillon complication surely matters for accuracy. On the other hand, Rolex also guarantees -2/+2 s/d for most of their non-tourbillon models, but for sure what some Rolex owners tell me, that accuracy is not kept over the years, and it slips outside of the proclaimed range. JLC now guarantees all their accuracy ranges for 7 years.
What about the triple axis tourbillon by Tomas pricher,,,not sure if I spelled surname correctly
Phillipe Dufour succinctly put it, “with wrist watch, you are the tourbillon”
Tourbillions are very cool. I think it looks very cool in this H. Moser.
However, I watched this video mainly because you had an H Moser! If I'm spending 5 figures, it's for an H Moser. The most beautiful watches in the world, in my opinion...
The H Moser Tourbillon is a modern day Stradivarius. Technical prowess yet its elegant simplicity is a pure joy to behold. Ed Meylan doesn’t take the difficult path to flaunt, but does so because every generation that masters ones path must learn and evolve his own journey to a place where no one has gone. Once you get there; it can be a very special place. Ed’s master class with their Tourbillon is moving the watch industry forward while respecting those that came before him and has done so at the very highest levels of horology that few get to experience.
Cheers to the Independents that have risked everything and pave their journey forward.
Thank you for another informative video! I think you should have titled it “Everything You Wanted to Know About Tourbillons But Were Afraid to Ask a Watch Snob”.
H. Moser's designs are at the top of my favorites. Beautiful. Someday I'll own one.
As a newbie who just got his first few swiss watches, I am always learning so much from your videos like this one
Beautiful watch, a pice of art, excellent review and good information about tourbillons! Nice video and keep the good work my friend!
Thank you Francisco! 🙌🏻
Those shots of the watch are so clean it looks amazing.
This watch is gorgeous! I like the chunky indices and hands. Very retro looking.
I have a nice mechanical watch collection acquired over my years of going through life. Each watch has a memory of why and how it was purchased. But for the last 7 or 8 years, I have worn my apple watch pretty much exclusively. Whether going to the gym or a black tie event…it’s an Apple Watch on my wrist. I think a lot of us need to go through certain phases in life. Whether it be collecting watches, wine or Pokémon cards. I think I’ve done most of everything and now am finally at a point in life where I’d rather be comfortable in everything I do. I realized, for me anyway, that clothes, watches, cars etc doesn’t make the man. It’s the man that makes the man. I show up wherever I go, neat and tidy of course, basically in jeans, t-shirt and am just absolutely fine. Even ‘black tie’ events, the more expensive charity events, I don’t wear a tux anymore. At best, a neat sport coat. I noticed nothing has changed with how people receive me. They know who I am and am fully accepted and appreciated. Have enjoyment in everything you choose to do. Life is too short to worry about what others think about you.
Beautiful video, a wonderful example of the complication in question. For the money, I just wouldn't go with a tourbillon, they are interesting to look at, but I found that even having an "open heart" dial wasn't for me - to busy looking on the wrist. I imagine a tourbillon would be even worse. A chronograph is about as far down as I can get into busy dials and still be comfortable wearing the piece, and not feel like I'm saying "look at me!" "look at me!"
That being said - the tourbillon is a marvelous piece of engineering, and I would like to get my hands on one and just stare at it for a few hours.
Thanks for the great video!
Stunning! I shudder at the thought of servicing it though!
I keep watching video after video trying to understand how a tourbillon works. All of you watch guys talk so quickly and assume we understand. For us newbies, how about starting with what happens at the winding? Which gear gets turned first and then what happens after that? I like how you used an animated chart. It would be great if you slowed down and made an entire video on how a mechanical watch movement works.
Imagine a pendulum of an old analog clock. It works fine. Now imagine leaning it a bit 10, 20 45º will it work? no. Because gravity will take its toll on the pendulum. That is how the tourbillon works. they rotate it 360º hoping that it will work "statistically" provided that your hand rests in any position for more than a min it takes to run that 360º circle :)
I got my hands on a couple Tag Tourbillons in Las Vegas and NY and from being mostly machine made I was incredibly impressed with them especially given the price point in the grey market.
I’d never judge what others should buy or not buy, or what manufacturers should make or not make. I can only speak for myself. But it’s not for me. I can get excellent timekeeping, quality and accuracy from hundreds of fantastic mechanical watches that don’t have a tourbillon. It absolutely is an amazing piece of technology and innovation and a wonderful demonstration of the art of horology. It also is an expensive solution in search of a problem. Terrific video!
Nice presentation… the clearest and most in-depth explanation I’ve seen. Layman’s terms…👍😊
That is gorgeous, I do think that a turbillon is eye candy. Strictly bling. A useless, beautiful complication.
Larry Leyba well in this context a “mechanical movement “ is also useless ,as you have other ways of keeping more accurate time (quartz movements, smart watches)
@@AdamSmith-ps1ws however, a mechanical watch will outlive a quartz watch with a little effort.
To be honest it is more useful than most complications on a watch now, with everyone having a smartphone in their pocket.
Great video as usual. Ridiculously fascinating to watch this piece of mechanical wonder in that little hole at six o'clock, and a great looking watch overall. A brand with a great horological history. As someone said here, a useless but never the less very beautiful complication.
Then again, if someone gave me the amount of money this watch costs and told me I had to buy something for that whole sum, I'd buy one of my dream vintage cars instead.
I think the tourbillon is great! I am biased as the first luxury watch I purchased was a tourbillon that I still own (not super high end as it cost $1,200). The tourbillon may be one of the most important complications out there in the world of watches. As has been mentioned by many watch enthusiasts and experts, watches are works of art. By maintaining that aspect of our watch culture we not only preserve watch making and introduce new comers to this passion, we also make it as viable and long lasting as other art forms. Art will survive as long as the human race. Complications like the tourbillon therefore fortify watches to the test of time, being valued ... indefinitely.
Clark, you care to share the watch you purchased?
Somewhat tempted to get a Sea-Gull tourbillon, especially one with a plain dial, since as you mentioned in your video, they do come at a fraction of the price, even though it's still more than $1000. The tourbillon is such a pinnacle piece of engineering, it's hard to swallow never owning one if you love watches.
You should tell us more about a tourbillion accuracy in time keeping!
Eg how is it keeping to Rolex chronometer timing of +2 or -2 secs per day etc.
Why should one pay a astronomer price if its time accuracy falls short of that Rolex or Omega co-axial metas standard?
Great review. My favorite H. Moser is the Swiss Alp apple watch
The fact that tourbillon is so widely disliked in the watch community makes absolutely no sense to me. It's such a shame, since I think it's what makes a otherwise plain watch dial worth looking at.
Teddy, you really have improved and now hoped the game on the production quality, especially the macro shots. The beginning reminded me distantly of a Guy Ritchie movie. Great work!
Production value on point grampa 💙
That dial is spectacular! it's everything the Nautilus 5711 dial wishes it was
It's a useless but a phenomenal and complicated mechanical device it shows an amazing work of a watchmaker can do
Great video. Strange thing, two days ago I tried to understand how a tourbillon works, I made it but I was not able to get a good video showing how actually appears. Great!
Awesome vid Teddy! I absolutely LOVE tourbillons but mostly for their aesthetic pleasure :)
That's one of the most beautiful watches I've seen 👌
Absolutely great macros on this one! Well done man. Also great to see some more coverage about Moser... one of my favorite brands.
I hate when ppl say its useless. Its only useless if you have your arm raised and rotated horizontally like then you’re typing. Walking, driving, sitting, standing, all orient the watch correctly to gain a benifit from the tourbillon. And also all anyone has to do to fix it is rotate the tourbillon sideways.
Happy to see a high-end watch featured on this channel!
That was magical Teddy. And probably the best videography you guys have done yet
Another quality video, thanks Teddy! I own, oddly enough a Jord wooden watch with a tourbillon complication. Thanks for educating me on what it is and why they came about. Always appreciate your point of view on all things watches. Keep it up!
Amazing video quality, thank you for sharing your extensive and interesting knowledge about watchmaking and the quality and time that goes into this extraordinary skill, I’m a big fan! Thank you for all your hard work! 😁👍🏼
Beautifully shot Teddy! A tourbillon is like having a universe on your wrist. Like looking at the earth from space. If you can afford it, why not?
I grew up near and always visited and hung out at Squire's Castle. Awesome.
Very well-done, informative video. Tourbillons are sure mesmerizing to look at & are certainly technological marvels!
I am glad you just mentioned H Moser's advertising approach or... 'personality'. Have seriously considering a new piece that will likely be a JLC Master Ultra Thin Moon, A. Lange Saxonia or a Moser Venture. The way you describe the Moser attitude is very appealing to me may very well push my next purchase in their direction. Thank you.
Tourbillions are like pieces of art. They don't improve us in a practical manner. But it's better to have them than to go without.
On a different note, thank you for making me aware of the Tissot Gentleman 40mm. My first Tissot also. I bought the quartz version, thin like a JLC Master control 1000, all the charm of the auto model, and a more discrete date. The black version has a charcoil sunburst effect and matching color date wheel. Keep up your charming approach and energy!
because of technology, mobile phones telling the time, because of digital and quartz. every mechanical movement of a watch are follies. We don't need them anymore as functional things. But the more we don't need them, the more we want them, precisely because they are so beautiful, and symbolic, and ingenious. And the tourbillon is the personification of that.
Well said 👍🏻
Hi, I understand back in the day the pocket watch sits at the same position 24/7 so it may either run slow or fast. Why couldn't they just regulate it instead of installing an expensive tourbillon? Btw, really nice intro Teddy!
Love the shot at Squires Castle. Keep repping The Land Teddy!
Haha good eye! A bit of a cliche if you are from the Cleveland area, but very cool. Thanks for watching, my friend!
Love Tourbillon watches. So freaking cool, in a steam punk-esque sort of way. I'm with you, though. Even if I had huge amounts of discretionary cash lying around, I would be hard pressed to feel right about actually buying one. One watch I've been eyeing, though, is the Raymond Weil Freelancer RW1212 with visible balance wheel suspended "Tourbillon style" at 6 o'clock. Not a true Tourbillon, but still looks pretty darn cool and is reasonably affordable. Would love to see you do a review of one of those.
Amazing shoots as always!
Thank you my friend! 🙌🏻
Teddy Baldassarre ...what camera are you using?
There is no way that could afford the Tourbilon Tax, but I would love to own one. 12:16 I disagree with you to some extent. My useful watch is my Timex easy reader with its accuracy (around +/- a second or two per day, as one would expect from a well designed quartz oscillator). In these dire times, when I wash my hands, my easy reader makes it easy (pun intended?) to scrub my paws for at least the regulation 20 seconds just to mention one practical application. Then again, I'm old and analogue tends to be easier for me than digital. I'm a retired engineer and to my mind the Tourbilon's complication is a marvel of mechanical engineering I could stare at it for hours. It's just freaking cool. The investment that I gain from the watches that I own is not monetary, but rather the pay off is the pleasure I receive from owning them.
A charming men's jewelry with time teller. 😊
Great content. “Turbs” have grown on me over the past 25 years. Nice video mate.
The beautiful finishing combined with flawless macro cinematography sometimes leads to the odd sensation that you might be looking at CGI renders. As "problems" go, it's a good one to have.
Thank you for the high praise on the shooting! This watch certainly made our job easier.
Tourbillons that aren't exposed are my favourite kind. Check out the Patek ref 3939, a min rep tourbillon that looks like a timex. Absolute grail.
The tourbillon complication is just fun. There is no tourbillon in any dream watch i want. I am more a perpetual calendar wisher. Moser have a clever perpetual calendar in their collection. Back on subject, tourbillons have a design function and a watch brand communicate status with tourbillons of being the best in business.
About the Moser Pioneer tourbillon, i like the way Moser keep the watch clean and avoid to much guilloching.
I agree Moser goes it’s own way in Haute Horlogerie. They are original watchmakers, not following everybody.
I never understood the fascination with tourbillons. Unless we’re talking about the gyro from JLC. I’d much rather choose a fuse and chain for the sheer beauty of it.
Love Tourbillons but still need to get one for myself! Moser is definitely getting some more attention lately it seems. Love the vantablack watch they have and this Tourbillon!
Thanks for All the information things are not useless…And an amazing’ tried on a couple Of watches with them... could not stop staring at them...
Teddy, interesting video. I never saw how the tourbillion works. it's kind of interesting but I can't afford one. I would not mind borrowing one for fun. It's not worth the price to me. It is impressive technology, don't get me wrong, but it comes at a steep price. Thanks for sharing the inner workings of one.
This video now makes me want a watch with one of these.
The moon phase feature is also useless, but still amazing, luxurious and beautiful.
I was already interested in collecting knives and lighters, now I have another financial chasm to enjoy :)
Tourbillon is the nearest thing to flexing for master watchmakers that are not making grand complications or minute repeaters :D
Teddy: you seem to have nothing but praise for Moser: will you every get one and which one?
I think perhaps down the road. I personally have some other brands like JLC and Vacheron on my list before jumping more into the independent types like Moser or Journe. I definitely respect the brand greatly though. They make a fantastic product.
Teddy, Not Gonna lie Dude, Your Hair, is so fabulous i cant stop watching this video its like your hair beckons me
This watch looks gorgeous
Teddy please make a new budget watch collection video.......
This was a great description of the tourbillon. "Spectacular but useless" sums it up. It would be interesting to hear from owners of such watches as to whether they wear them often and enjoy them. If they put the watches in a vault hoping to sell them in 20 years, I'd like to hear that, too.
All wrist watches are useless with cell phone and tablet in everyone's hand open and working with atomic time. Watches are mostly just for fashion. What I do like with wrist watch is the fast reading of time
If the whole watch world would be just about accuracy and usability for the best price we all would wear a casio duro or some other quartz watch. But we have those incredible mechanical pieces so in many cases it's just because we can do it so why not
Facts. But I personally feel some of those higher end quartz watches justify themselves in the "Self expression" catagory while being functional too. I have a Bulova Precisionist ($315 on their website) which is a Quartz watch. Crazy to think someone would spend that much on something when I also have a Casio Forester for $20 and it's just as useful. But the beauty of that Bulova makes it something wonderful to look at, and shows style points.
Makes me giggle every time I put it on. I do intend on someday though getting my hands on an auto, either for an alternative choice to my Bulova or to better fit in with a suit for special occasions.
This is indeed a beautiful watch. It would be stunning without the tourbillon movement. But the tourbillon is icing on the cake and it is out of my league to say the least.
Excellent explanation! Thanks so much Teddy!
Watch looks awesome. I want one. The tourbillon is way cool.
IMO tourbillon is like the moon phase on the watch, and it's useless but looks cool for those who like it. I will never buy one, but if I get one as a present I will be extremely happy. The watch has its character and it's gorgeous. Why not to have it if you have extra $$$ or so?
It's a definite must have if I had the funds of someone like Elon musk, but that said, the Time to design, and produce this watch , shows in the quality of its looks and design. I love the blue and simple leather strap.
I am waiting for my Orient Bambino Gen 4 with the Blue face and will settle on a watch I can afford.
Great explanation on this watch and love that your sharing your knowledge
Yeah, Patek and Lange charge fortunes for perpetual calendar, because of it's complexity, while Ulysse Nardin turned simple calendar into perpetual by adding only 9 parts and selling them starting at $20K. When the watch has extremely complex features, like minute repeater, which ingenious engineering makes with simpler solution - that is what deserves attention and respect. I don't see myself having tourbillon anytime soon, unless I somehow get filthy rich)
Thank you Teddy. Great video, as always. Stay healthy, safe safe
Amazing Video, teddy, best regards and admiration from Brazil.
Thank you Pedro! All the best from the states! Stay safe!
Thanks for the great video. I would love to see a watch with a mini gyroscope. Now that would be great.
Let's not forget that most natural and elegant of all movements in horology, the original quartz watch from thousands of years ago - the sand timer hourglass.
H Moser is so awesome they’re practically in their own class.
S class, Amg tuning then H. Moser.
Flying Tourbillions are magnificent to behold, it’s therapy on your wrist.
Hi Teddy, did the eBay giveaway ever happen? I followed the Instagram closely and never saw it
I always feel cold when watching this lad wearing outdoors winter outfit indoors.
When will you show your updated watch collection?
Sir, your videos are beautiful, and your lighting is excellent. What camera are you using?
As for my comments on the tourbillon: the art of watch making is in complication. If people are looking to efficiency as a grade point, then they should have found their greatest time piece in a quartz digital.
Your editing is insane! Keep it up man!
Thanks Tommy! 🙌🏻
Teddy do you have any reviews on the Zeroo Watch Tourbillion. It's at a smaller price point.
Teddy, you are the most well-versed, articulate, knowledgeable, and stylish watch RUclipsr. It's especially impressive considering how young you are. Thank you for this marvellous video about the marvellous tourbillon.
Hey Teddy; Another entertaining and enlightening review vid. I like your channel a little more each and every time I tune in to see your latest offering. Best wishes from a big fan of your knowledge and pleasant delivery. Like #1058...
Great vid- turbillon looks spectacular and is an amazing feat but it’s kind of redundant regarding its usefulness or uselessness. The dial on watch is quite unique, love it but couldn’t spend the extra cash on a turbillon! Love the channel! ✌🏼
H. Moser produces some of the most beautiful dials in the industry. Their Absolute Black composed of carbon nanotubes that swallow the light and do not reflect any of it, is an absolute engineering marvel. Teddy, I'd love to see you interview Moser's CEO Edouard Meylan at some point in the future!
As far as I know they do not make a watch with carbon nanotubes. I think you’re mistaking their Vantablack watch, painted with one of the darkest colours that exists.
I'm not sure you have the reasoning right here. Getting the same rate in different conditions is challenging, requiring near-perfect beat and balance poise. In a pocket watch which is usually in the same position, the job is much easier as the rate needs to be correct only in that position. You can make a case for more need for a tourbillon in a wristwatch. I believe it is the greatly improved manufacturing accuracy of modern watches that make the expense and complexity of a tourbillon impractical.
More Moser,s, please!!!:)
Hey man these macro shots are truly marvelous! What camera and what lens did you use to shoot these? And question number 2: Is the Ball NM2030D a good watch you can recommend or eventually review? Thank you in advance!
Beautiful watch. I'm surprised of the power reserve. 1st thing I thought of after your explanation of how it works is that the power reserve will suffer. Does it use more power than a day or date complication? Just curious. Thanks for the video. Really enjoyed it.
Can anyone tell me the name of the track used at 6:02?
And damn, these macro shots are sick 🤩
they should make tourbillon clocks or cheap desktop tourbillion mechanism toys so normal people on the street can have access to it
Beautiful dial!
Could you make a video reviewing the Chinese sugess tourbillon master SU8230SW for $500