@@savesnine Great question. Take a look at this article (among others addressing men's quiet luxury) www.opumo.com/magazine/best-quiet-luxury-menswear-brands/ specifically the Connelly selection and see what you think ! ~Sonya
I'm so grateful to have found these satorial talks. I never realized how much I value classic style over trends that ebb and flow. By watching these talks and incorporating these lessons into my own style, Ive come to value quality over branding. As I continue to grow in this journey I've come to love the history of the craftmanship as much as the aesthetic of the pieces I've acquired. You all have educated, enlightened and most of all, inspired me, and for that I thank you.
Thank you once again, Sonya and Hugo. In England, agricultural or country clothing is also an aspect of the ‘old money’ aesthetic. The association is, of course, due to such families possessing land through time. Subsequently, the gilet is a popular item. The Oakham and Lyndon Fleece from Schöffel are staples. Country Boots are also prized. Le Chameau, Aigle or Dubarry are favoured. Equally, you can’t go wrong with a pair of leather gloves. Purdey is desirable for shooting gloves naturally, but Dents are also good. I’m grateful that so much time has been spent on this channel. It truly has been life-altering. You are both great beacons for sincerity and care. It’s always a joy to see you. AB
My most casual style for many years has been basic olive chinos, suede desert boots, a black t-shirt and a sometimes simple navy sweater, with or without roll neck and a heritage Seiko dive watch. I can wear this anywhere without standing out much,… or get mugged for the watch. I prefer a classic suit or at least a shirt and sports coat though. I wanted to try Ivy/prep style for a while, so this video is very much appreciated.
Thanks Sonya, your breakdown of the different types of old money was great. I keep seeing these terms been thrown around all over social media and I found them very confusing. I’ve recently got into men’s style a couple of months ago and my style has very much landed in the normcore that you outlined with some elements from the preppy/ivy style. I never deliberately tried to go old money or normcore when I first started as my main goal was to go for timeless men’s pieces that look stylish and can be combined together easily and it’s naturally lead me towards normcore.
I enjoyed listening to you speak very much. You're engaging yet relaxing. If I've ever watched this channel, it's been Hugo who has been speaking (although I also do find him calming to listen to, too).
Thank you Sonya. Your style, voice, demeanor exemplify feminity expressed in what I always thought of as masculine style of clothes. I really appreciate having you as an example to emulate and find my own style.
This is why I watch ST. There are other RUclips channels that address men's style, some pretty good and talk about this topic as well. But ST is like a university level education on men's style.
I’ve been researching (and incorporating) the ivy-league style for roughly the past 6 months in preparation to attend Brown next fall (if I get in!). This video is so insightful and clearly highlights the parts which form the “old money aesthetic” which in reality is a few different styles that the general public perceive as being worn by those with a significant amount of wealth (especially that which has been inherited rather then earned). It’s also so clearly and concisely presented. Thank you Sonya!
@@SARTORIALTALKS Thank you! I’d also like to add, it might be useful for people to know that when it comes to the Ivy League/Preppy style that JFK is a wonderful source of inspiration as he really embodied the look in the 50/60s before his unfortunate demise.
I’m sorry if this upsets you, but you are unlikely to find any elegantly dressed people at Brown, or any other Ivy League (or non Ivy League) university or college. Those days are long gone. Most of your classmates will be in sweatshirts and sweatpants, although on some occasions they will dress up and you might see some blazers with brass buttons and stuff like that. It is highly improbable you’ll see any “polo Ralph Lauren” type of outfits though, because the rich people who attend universities like Brown, DO NOT WANT to be associated with “the elite” and look like the stereotypical “old money WASPs”. Such is the paradox of modern sensibilities - it is considered poor taste to demonstrate one’s wealth and “privilege” through clothing, at least on a college campus. All that being said, you CAN still see the classic American “preppy” fashion in private clubs (especially the country clubs/golf clubs), at private parties, and at the various New England beach locations, such as Nantucket or Martha’s Vineyard. There is also the “southern gentleman” look that is perhaps worth mentioning. The southern US is a rather conservative region and there indeed still is “old money” society in those states that upholds the old traditions in its manner of dress. Of course, Europe has its own old aristocracy and royalty, but if you look closely, you’ll notice that even some of the royals don’t wear bespoke suits anymore. The current king of Denmark wears poorly made off-the-rack suits. The king of England, however, and the king of Spain both wear impeccably tailored suits and represent the epitome of formal style and tradition.
mevrouw heeft echt een heel mooi pak aan met een passend débardeur. een mooi ensemble zonder hemd eronder. chique .Wat een mooie stof. hugo en sonya zijn echt next level. respect
i have been expanding my sartorial wardrobe for a few months now ever since committing to teaching, and my recommendation for sartorial/prep/ivy style is spier & mackay! My favorite thing is that they offer high waisted trousers.
I loved this episode! Normcore and Quiet Luxury are mine, but I have a limited budget, so... Thank you for the tips and breakdown of the categories. Very helpful. Stay well. Blessings 🙏🏿💕
Thanks you, Sonya. Your take on this subject is one of the best I've seen, especially because of the references from Anderson Cooper. The only place I think you've missed (just a little) is about quiet luxury. Here the key you missed is that the quiet part is the absence of labels or identifying brand. The core idea of old money people is to scrupulously avoiding any obvious displays of wealth. Any branding at all is tantamount to bragging. Old money people are best understood by contrasting them with new money people. (Who, my old money parent referred to as "cod fish," (a term of uncertain origin). New money people want others to know they have expensive items, whereas old money people shun such displays. This isn't meant to be a slight to new money, just a realization of the pattern. People who are new to wealth are often impressed by that wealth, so this is what they seek to express. Old money people have noting to prove, and would rather avoid any discussion of cost with anyone excepting a close friend when such a thing is appropriate. After all, not all old money people still have a lot of money. It is considered to be in poor taste to make displays of personal wealth. It might seem you are showing up others. Good quality understated attire is the guide. In fact, it takes a trained eye to even notice old money people in typical public settings. And whenever you see someone with obvious displays of wealth, you can bet they are not old money. Another piece you missed (and you are forgiven, as it is a little afield of your core message), is the process of keeping items for a long time. Clothing that has been mended is a hallmark of old money. People who are very comfortable with having wealth, are not concerned if people misunderstand mended clothing. While careful selection for quality goes into acquiring clothing and shoes, care is also taken to make them last. The longer you have good quality, well-fitted items, the more loved those items become, and the more eager the wearer is to keep them. (To borrow a line from Jim Croce, "...they will vanish away like your Dad's best jeans, denim blue, faded up to the sky. And though you want them to last forever, you know they never will, you know they never will. And the patches make the goodbye harder still.") It is fairly common for old money people to have mended and repaired items, and it is less about the savings as it is about the love. My observation is that people dress to impress those like themselves. Old money people don't need to impress anyone, so they avoid looking like they are trying. If you are well-versed in quality (like you and Hugo), you will recognize it in other's clothing. But not because of the brand.
Some superb points, thank you ! Hopefully I covered some of the nuances you mentioned in "The Art of Being Discreet" article I wrote years ago, published on Parisian Gentleman (and referenced above). Sonya
Glad to hear you Sonia. This video is very interesting. You should build a playlist for this type of content. Very useful, well explained, with some crucial details for those, like me, who want to keep on go through the sartorial path. Thank you, merry Christmas and happy New Year to both of you
Thank you for sharing those well explained descriptions of the quiet luxury aesthetic. As a woman, my favourite quiet luxury style icon is Caroline Bassett Kennedy, John Kennedy Jr.’s young wife. She had this look down and her style was and still is, timeless.
To me, quiet luxury is about looking nice, clean, and elegant without advertising brands or flaunting flashy wealth. I believe I naturally dress this way. I like to dress nicely (a step above the typical t-shirt and jeans), but not too formal (like a suit and tie). That said, I’ll still wear an all-black pair of Brooks for comfort, while keeping them subtle enough not to draw too much attention.
Sonya another excellent video! I noticed that the Holiday family photo of the Prince and Princess of Wales featured that Prince George was wearing a Ralph Lauren shirt, I thought that was an interesting fashion commentary. I believe King Charles has given Ralph Lauren honors as well. Speaking of Lauren, I noticed years ago when I was visiting Nantucket Island, I felt like I was in a Ralph Lauren ad. Even the real estate firms didn't list the prices of the homes they featured in their real estate offices ;)
Sonya, outstanding content and category presentations. I love fashion and elegance too. Please keep doing what you do...we appreciate you and Hugo. I could have listen for another hour...❤😊
Great video. As you said, to each their own. Living in the rural northeast America the plaid flannel shirt is an absolute must-have for casual Saturdays in the fall/winter :) (or if you're out fishing/hiking)
Loved the video Sonya! I guess it shows just how much general style has been influenced by this aesthetic, given that we've come to the point of calling it 'normcore'. It really encompassed clothing that most people wear. One point I would make is that, despite looking great, Barbour jackets are a bit impractical in an urban setting. I've had one and never really wore it because I felt it really stands out aesthetically if you wear it in a city. The fact that it can leave wax stains of car seats and the difficulty of washing it (barbour recommends against any washing) makes it a garment that's not for eveyone. Personally, I much prefer a non-waxed jacket - Barbour makes those as well. Still love most of your choices!
I always appreciate these discussions, but as one who is probably far too particular about my Ivy Style, I think that there are some important differences between Ivy and Prep. It's also important to discuss the soft shouldered sack jacket as the core of the Ivy outfit (along with the OCBD).
Hello and I appreciate your reply. I think Prep can include Ivy but less so in regard to Ivy including Prep. Thoughts ? Also, would you recommend a respected source contrasting Prep and Ivy, in your opinion? Thanks ! Sonya
Thanks for the informative video. On a slightly different note, I think there should be a clear difference between men's and women's clothing pieces. The line is getting blurry...
Hi. Thanks for your high value work at first. Could you make a vidoe comparing Old Money Style vs. Quiet Luxury vs. Classic Style? A video focusing on accessoires would be very helpful, too. Please keep on making videos. Best regards, Dominik Mauer.
My dear ,,,i totally enjoyed your presentation with your special calming voice )))),,,,,Loved your simple chic outfit a lot ,,just missing your signature scarf accessory ))))). Love to you & Hugo from Cairo
This is so good! Oh Sonya, I wish you had a video on the subject tailored for ladies. What are your favorite movies for ladies Old Money aesthetic inspiration? Thank you.
Hello and thanks. I do at last have a tailoring episode in mind for women that I hope will pan out. In regard to inspirational movies, the first that comes to mind is Gwyneth Paltrow in The Talented Mr. Ripley (1999). Even Paltrow's wardrobe during her recent real-life court appearances exuded an aesthetic worth studying (maybe her early days attending an all-girl private school has something to do with her flair for dressing). Thanks for the kind reply, Sonya
Wow Sonya! Excellent breakdown of the OM aesthetic! I always look forward to the talks from you and Hugo. After seeing this I believe I fall between Norm Core and Quiet Luxury, of course I’m still new in this sartorial journey. Again, thank you to you both for the excellent content you put out!!!
Very interesting, as always. This particular style and aesthetic has been going on for the longest time, guess it just needed a fashionable name to top it off. I'd like to ask you though, both Sonya and Hugo, what are your thoughts on leatherware for pieces other than shoes and loafers? For instance, leather jackets and overcoats, skirts, trousers... etc (not talking about the biker and noisy pieces, but rather the "minimalist and elegant" pieces where the quality of the leather is the focus of the item instead of the accesories and shiny added elements), as either layering or statement elements. I'm fully aware that those styles are probably out of your blogosphere, but I'm sure you have opinions of your own. Either way, always a pleasure to hear you both.
Hi Timothy, I agree with you regarding the label of "old money" style becoming (conveniently) popular. We aren't drawn to all of the leatherwear you describe; however, I do like the occasional punchy leather piece that doesn't dominate an outfit. A leather skirt (or even quality pleather) has worked well for me in the past, although the trouser version is too much, imo. And who doesn't like a quality leather bomber or biker jacket (quality being the key word)? Sonya
Would it be possible to explain how to get rid of sweat stains? Also how to handle wear and tear under the armpit? Basically everything about suit armpits haha 😉👍✨ Thanks
Apparently I have a lot of norm core tendencies. I have all of those products minus the jeans. I like predator and ivy for my casual wear. Overall I have a quite luxury style.
A hypnotic Lady Friday, deciphering the genesis of a projectionist's hypnotism in the pastel words from Babylon. Shall the times arrived upon real good wealth and shouldering aplomb the crested oakshell doors always echo concert your voice guide the intercom, ushering the most virtuous guests to the heartland. Salute' !🙏🖐✊
RFK Jr. is “old money” and I’ve noticed that he’s always well dressed, and usually wears a coat and tie; with the latter being narrow (and usually black) which is straight out of the Sixties when his world was upended by the assassinations of his uncle, then his own father.
Sonya & Hugo I live in Turkey’s countryside. My employees like to wear black skinny jeans. My wife says she thinks they look okay. I think they look garish. Am I wrong?
Hugo should see a California blonde female youth on some hot and sunny day wearing pink lipstick, white hip huggars and a pink bikini top. I did, many years ago. That shockingly effective color combination instantly reminded me of an ice cream cone! Also, a shout out specifically to Nantuckett reds! I tried them last year. They go with almost any kind of shirt, even a navy blazer. Long or shorts versions are available at Murray's Toggery Shop. Embrace that East coast look! Thank you for this entertaining video.
She's right about Anderson Cooper, he goes to my gym and Iives in my neighborhood- if you did not know who he was you'd never know he's a mulitmillionare, he dresses very casually, is super friendly, even at the gym, so fancy sneakers with logos, just simple New balances black shorts and a plain black tee. The problem with "normcore" is if you are not Anderson Cooper, you look just like a regular accountant/bank manager/ fill in the blank from the subarbs. I personally like to do the ivy/prep look in especially in the summers as living in downtown Manhattan there are plenty of outdoor restaurants/cafes to just relax and people watch. but I do jazz it up slightly, I wear a hermes belt with linen pants/shirt or a le Coste polo and instead of plain penny loafers I'll wear either black or brown 1953 gucci horse bit loafers. For eye wear i wear Rayban Aviators. I've noticed when I dress this way, walking into most restaurants, I get seated immediately and get excellent service. How you present yourself does make a difference in how people treat you. My girlfriend always reminds me to dress down and drop the gucci's when I take the car to get it serviced as they'll raise the price of the repairs based on the shoes lol. !
Hi Sonya, I got a little confused... You said avoid the branded items in the first 3 categories, but then said use them in category 4? Would you kindly explain the differentiation. Many thanks, I thoroughly appreciate the knowledge you and Hugo share. 🙏🏻
Hi John, Fourth Category: For special events requiring dressing up on short notice, there are less-recognizable designer brands like Kitten, Attolini, Brunello Cucinelli, Loro Piana, Isabelle Marrant, Patek Phillipe which aren't flashy but convenient for generational wealth to wear at times (of course in contrast, anybody can recognize gucci and versace or lvmh). My point is that for certain occasions, branded items are accepted. Cheers ! Sonya
Not sure where you are going with this topic although interesting. BTW you may want to adjust the volume of your recording as it came across as almost inaudible and I had to really boost the volume to hear the podcast properly. Nevertheless always a pleasure Mme. Jacomet .
Nice to see Sonya on video again. Now, how about next a video discussing this obnoxious trend topic critically? Wouldn't mind Hugo's opinion on the subject. Individualism and creativity in dressing vs. need to seem belonging to a certain class and tagging things etc. I mean what's the point, Ralph Lauren manifested that look 30 years ago..
Hi, Like you I have style-related practices and attitudes that really push my buttons, but this topic isn't one of them. Frankly, I'm glad to see any motivator that inspires people to dress better and I don't lean towards discouraging anyone who finds their fire lit for classic style, whether Ralph cornered the market on the aesthetic or not. However, I do empathize with your sentiment of annoyance of certain things in the sartorial universe. Sonya
I'm half Hispanic with dark hair. I like playing with dark, rich colors in my outfits. This particular style is a little too boring for me, but to each his own.
Dear Sonya, Why showing Pini Parma's looks and images, but not mentioning them as a brand? I would suppose their clothing suits both normcore and quite luxury categories!!!
With the hours of sourcing so many images, it has been time-prohibitive to reference each image in detail. We like Italian-based Pini Parma suits a lot and Thomas (owner) who once worked at Boggi has really upped the MTM suiting game. Sonya
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3:05 Normcore
1. Shirt
-Button Down Oxford
- Tee Shirt
- Overshirt
- Polo Shirt
2. Jumper/Sweater
3. Trousers
- Khaki
- Jeans
4. Sport Coat
5. Quilted Jacket
7:20 Prepp/Ivy
1. Polo
2. Rugby Shirt
3. Cable Sweater
4. Oxford Shirt
5. Blazer
6. Varsity Jacket
7. Chino
8. Seersucker Tailoring
9. Loafers
10. Accessories
- Regimental Tie
- Belt
14:55 Quiet Luxury
1. Blazer
2. Summer Suit
3. Shirt
4. Tweed Suit
5. Cashmere Sweater
6. Trousers
7. Shoes
8. Scarf
9. Tuxedo
10. Outerwear
Thank you
@@SARTORIALTALKS any recommendations for the flowing trousers in the quiet luxury section?
@@savesnine Great question. Take a look at this article (among others addressing men's quiet luxury) www.opumo.com/magazine/best-quiet-luxury-menswear-brands/ specifically the Connelly selection and see what you think ! ~Sonya
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I'm so grateful to have found these satorial talks. I never realized how much I value classic style over trends that ebb and flow. By watching these talks and incorporating these lessons into my own style, Ive come to value quality over branding. As I continue to grow in this journey I've come to love the history of the craftmanship as much as the aesthetic of the pieces I've acquired. You all have educated, enlightened and most of all, inspired me, and for that I thank you.
Thank you so much for your kind words! Very encouraging for us. Cheers, Sonya and Hugo
Well said.
I just love Sonya's smooth, soothing voice.
Warms my heart, thanks ! ~Sonya
Thank you once again, Sonya and Hugo.
In England, agricultural or country clothing is also an aspect of the ‘old money’ aesthetic. The association is, of course, due to such families possessing land through time. Subsequently, the gilet is a popular item. The Oakham and Lyndon Fleece from Schöffel are staples. Country Boots are also prized. Le Chameau, Aigle or Dubarry are favoured. Equally, you can’t go wrong with a pair of leather gloves. Purdey is desirable for shooting gloves naturally, but Dents are also good.
I’m grateful that so much time has been spent on this channel. It truly has been life-altering. You are both great beacons for sincerity and care. It’s always a joy to see you. AB
Hi Andrew, I'm looking forward to studying your informative comment. Thank you for taking the time with this thorough reply. Sonya
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My most casual style for many years has been basic olive chinos, suede desert boots, a black t-shirt and a sometimes simple navy sweater, with or without roll neck and a heritage Seiko dive watch. I can wear this anywhere without standing out much,… or get mugged for the watch. I prefer a classic suit or at least a shirt and sports coat though.
I wanted to try Ivy/prep style for a while, so this video is very much appreciated.
Inspired by your reply & based on your current style choices, I'm pretty sure you won't be sorry if you decide to try Ivy/Prep. ~Sonya yes
Loved the shoutouts to LL Bean and Lands End. My childhood wardrobe was almost entirely from those stores. I’d add Woolrich into that list too.
Thanks for the add-on! All my best, Hugo
Love Woolrich though they have new ownership
Thanks Sonya, your breakdown of the different types of old money was great. I keep seeing these terms been thrown around all over social media and I found them very confusing.
I’ve recently got into men’s style a couple of months ago and my style has very much landed in the normcore that you outlined with some elements from the preppy/ivy style. I never deliberately tried to go old money or normcore when I first started as my main goal was to go for timeless men’s pieces that look stylish and can be combined together easily and it’s naturally lead me towards normcore.
I enjoyed listening to you speak very much. You're engaging yet relaxing. If I've ever watched this channel, it's been Hugo who has been speaking (although I also do find him calming to listen to, too).
Very helpful liked and subscribed. I recommend Brooks Brothers for the Prep / Ivy look.
very refreshing to see a video with a real person (non AI) and a real voice. I liked it.
I really appreciate your efforts you put on to produce these subjects about classic men style. Thank you
Good evening Sonya and Hugo I hope that this finds you both well, great video, fantastic subject matter, thank you so much your friend Ryan.
Many thanks Ryan! Best, Hugo
Thank you Sonya. Your style, voice, demeanor exemplify feminity expressed in what I always thought of as masculine style of clothes. I really appreciate having you as an example to emulate and find my own style.
Wow you're too kind. Thanks so much. ~Sonya
Beautiful and detailed explanation. Can't agree more!
Thank you Julian! Hugo
This is why I watch ST. There are other RUclips channels that address men's style, some pretty good and talk about this topic as well. But ST is like a university level education on men's style.
I’ve been researching (and incorporating) the ivy-league style for roughly the past 6 months in preparation to attend Brown next fall (if I get in!).
This video is so insightful and clearly highlights the parts which form the “old money aesthetic” which in reality is a few different styles that the general public perceive as being worn by those with a significant amount of wealth (especially that which has been inherited rather then earned).
It’s also so clearly and concisely presented. Thank you Sonya!
Here's hoping Brown works out for you and applause for your style upgrade ! I Please accept my gratitude for your kind and thorough reply. ~Sonya
@@SARTORIALTALKS Thank you! I’d also like to add, it might be useful for people to know that when it comes to the Ivy League/Preppy style that JFK is a wonderful source of inspiration as he really embodied the look in the 50/60s before his unfortunate demise.
I’m sorry if this upsets you, but you are unlikely to find any elegantly dressed people at Brown, or any other Ivy League (or non Ivy League) university or college. Those days are long gone. Most of your classmates will be in sweatshirts and sweatpants, although on some occasions they will dress up and you might see some blazers with brass buttons and stuff like that. It is highly improbable you’ll see any “polo Ralph Lauren” type of outfits though, because the rich people who attend universities like Brown, DO NOT WANT to be associated with “the elite” and look like the stereotypical “old money WASPs”. Such is the paradox of modern sensibilities - it is considered poor taste to demonstrate one’s wealth and “privilege” through clothing, at least on a college campus. All that being said, you CAN still see the classic American “preppy” fashion in private clubs (especially the country clubs/golf clubs), at private parties, and at the various New England beach locations, such as Nantucket or Martha’s Vineyard.
There is also the “southern gentleman” look that is perhaps worth mentioning. The southern US is a rather conservative region and there indeed still is “old money” society in those states that upholds the old traditions in its manner of dress.
Of course, Europe has its own old aristocracy and royalty, but if you look closely, you’ll notice that even some of the royals don’t wear bespoke suits anymore. The current king of Denmark wears poorly made off-the-rack suits. The king of England, however, and the king of Spain both wear impeccably tailored suits and represent the epitome of formal style and tradition.
mevrouw heeft echt een heel mooi pak aan met een passend débardeur.
een mooi ensemble zonder hemd eronder. chique .Wat een mooie stof. hugo en sonya zijn echt next level. respect
Great video! The coloured trousers idea, is a very posh English thing.
i have been expanding my sartorial wardrobe for a few months now ever since committing to teaching, and my recommendation for sartorial/prep/ivy style is spier & mackay! My favorite thing is that they offer high waisted trousers.
Spier & Mackay is indeed a great brand! Cheers, Hugo
I loved this episode!
Normcore and Quiet Luxury are mine, but I have a limited budget, so...
Thank you for the tips and breakdown of the categories. Very helpful.
Stay well.
Blessings 🙏🏿💕
Merci Michael! Best, Hugo
Thanks you, Sonya. Your take on this subject is one of the best I've seen, especially because of the references from Anderson Cooper. The only place I think you've missed (just a little) is about quiet luxury. Here the key you missed is that the quiet part is the absence of labels or identifying brand. The core idea of old money people is to scrupulously avoiding any obvious displays of wealth. Any branding at all is tantamount to bragging.
Old money people are best understood by contrasting them with new money people. (Who, my old money parent referred to as "cod fish," (a term of uncertain origin). New money people want others to know they have expensive items, whereas old money people shun such displays. This isn't meant to be a slight to new money, just a realization of the pattern. People who are new to wealth are often impressed by that wealth, so this is what they seek to express. Old money people have noting to prove, and would rather avoid any discussion of cost with anyone excepting a close friend when such a thing is appropriate.
After all, not all old money people still have a lot of money. It is considered to be in poor taste to make displays of personal wealth. It might seem you are showing up others.
Good quality understated attire is the guide. In fact, it takes a trained eye to even notice old money people in typical public settings. And whenever you see someone with obvious displays of wealth, you can bet they are not old money.
Another piece you missed (and you are forgiven, as it is a little afield of your core message), is the process of keeping items for a long time. Clothing that has been mended is a hallmark of old money. People who are very comfortable with having wealth, are not concerned if people misunderstand mended clothing. While careful selection for quality goes into acquiring clothing and shoes, care is also taken to make them last. The longer you have good quality, well-fitted items, the more loved those items become, and the more eager the wearer is to keep them. (To borrow a line from Jim Croce, "...they will vanish away like your Dad's best jeans, denim blue, faded up to the sky. And though you want them to last forever, you know they never will, you know they never will. And the patches make the goodbye harder still.")
It is fairly common for old money people to have mended and repaired items, and it is less about the savings as it is about the love.
My observation is that people dress to impress those like themselves. Old money people don't need to impress anyone, so they avoid looking like they are trying. If you are well-versed in quality (like you and Hugo), you will recognize it in other's clothing. But not because of the brand.
Some superb points, thank you ! Hopefully I covered some of the nuances you mentioned in "The Art of Being Discreet" article I wrote years ago, published on Parisian Gentleman (and referenced above). Sonya
@@SARTORIALTALKS Thank you, I'll check that out!
You speak so well 🙏🏼 very well presented video. Have a nice Christmas ☺️🎄
Glad to hear you Sonia. This video is very interesting. You should build a playlist for this type of content. Very useful, well explained, with some crucial details for those, like me, who want to keep on go through the sartorial path.
Thank you, merry Christmas and happy New Year to both of you
Thank you for sharing those well explained descriptions of the quiet luxury aesthetic. As a woman, my favourite quiet luxury style icon is Caroline Bassett Kennedy, John Kennedy Jr.’s young wife. She had this look down and her style was and still is, timeless.
That's a great example for sure! Best, Hugo
Perfect . As usual. Thank you so much bring us so relevant informations .
I really enjoyed this video, Sonya. It was great to see plenty of examples and some very actionable style advice.
Great to know and I appreciate your kind reply. Sonya
To me, quiet luxury is about looking nice, clean, and elegant without advertising brands or flaunting flashy wealth. I believe I naturally dress this way. I like to dress nicely (a step above the typical t-shirt and jeans), but not too formal (like a suit and tie). That said, I’ll still wear an all-black pair of Brooks for comfort, while keeping them subtle enough not to draw too much attention.
As a image consultant and stylist this video is very informative. Great content.
Thank you guys. The internet needed this video
That's very kind of you! best, Hugo
I loved this, Sonya! I could have listened to you talk about this all day. Thanks so much! ❤
Thank you , your reply is appreciated very much ! Sonya
Sonya another excellent video! I noticed that the Holiday family photo of the Prince and Princess of Wales featured that Prince George was wearing a Ralph Lauren shirt, I thought that was an interesting fashion commentary. I believe King Charles has given Ralph Lauren honors as well.
Speaking of Lauren, I noticed years ago when I was visiting Nantucket Island, I felt like I was in a Ralph Lauren ad. Even the real estate firms didn't list the prices of the homes they featured in their real estate offices ;)
I just buy Barbour (good for Royal good for me),Hackett , Ben Sherman and Northface and let them think and decide. Love the channel
That was absolutely wonderful video presentation. I really enjoyed it. 😊
Sonya, outstanding content and category presentations. I love fashion and elegance too. Please keep doing what you do...we appreciate you and Hugo. I could have listen for another hour...❤😊
Thank you for this episode Sonya!
Well spoken. This has to be one of my favorites on this topic.
Thank you very much Sam! Hugo & Sonya
Very well put together, thank you Sonya! I will re-visit this video for sure :)
Thank you! Sonya
Great video. As you said, to each their own. Living in the rural northeast America the plaid flannel shirt is an absolute must-have for casual Saturdays in the fall/winter :) (or if you're out fishing/hiking)
So informative Sonia and exceptionally well done. Congrats 😍🔥👔
Merci Richard ! Hugo & Sonya
When sartorial wisdom you must know,
Listen to Sonya and Hugo.
Love it ! Thanks ! Sonya
Great advice, as usual. I think it's time to level up my wardrobe.
And we are sure you'll love it! All our best, Sonya and Hugo
@@SARTORIALTALKS Thank you so much. By the way, my name is Hugo too! :)
Always learning a lot from Sartorial Talks
Thank you, Antonio ! Sonya
Loved the video Sonya!
I guess it shows just how much general style has been influenced by this aesthetic, given that we've come to the point of calling it 'normcore'. It really encompassed clothing that most people wear.
One point I would make is that, despite looking great, Barbour jackets are a bit impractical in an urban setting. I've had one and never really wore it because I felt it really stands out aesthetically if you wear it in a city. The fact that it can leave wax stains of car seats and the difficulty of washing it (barbour recommends against any washing) makes it a garment that's not for eveyone. Personally, I much prefer a non-waxed jacket - Barbour makes those as well.
Still love most of your choices!
I always appreciate these discussions, but as one who is probably far too particular about my Ivy Style, I think that there are some important differences between Ivy and Prep. It's also important to discuss the soft shouldered sack jacket as the core of the Ivy outfit (along with the OCBD).
Hello and I appreciate your reply. I think Prep can include Ivy but less so in regard to Ivy including Prep. Thoughts ? Also, would you recommend a respected source contrasting Prep and Ivy, in your opinion? Thanks ! Sonya
Perhaps we can include Brooks Brothers as a source of old money essentials. Love your input and as always an excellent informative video. Thanks
Thanks for the informative video. On a slightly different note, I think there should be a clear difference between men's and women's clothing pieces. The line is getting blurry...
I'd mention J. Press for Ivy and Drake's of London for Quiet Lux.
This is wonderful content and so so valuable. Thank you for educating us on so much more than other channels.
Thanks for the kind encouragement ! Sonya
Thank you for this awesome informative content.
Huh, not getting notifications anymore and missed this. Great as always!
Excellent video. Just what I was looking for and more!
a wonderful tutorial !! thank you!! from an elderly newbie on these subjects
Thank you! Cheers, Hugo
As always a wonderfully and well presented video. Awesome job. Thank you.
You're are welcome Jose. Cheers, Hugo
More Sonya videos
Greetings from NYC , love your channel. Mr. Jacomet and you , are great asset for the community that love to have the “old money aesthetic “
Appreciate your kind reply ! Sonya & Hugo
Un réel plaisir de s'entrainer a l'anglais via votre chaine Hugo
Avec joie ! Et Sonya parle un anglais très agréable (elle articule bien et prend son temps). Bien amicalement, Hugo
Fantastic episode. Thanks for sharing these tips
Thank you so much. Sonya
Old money style. I think The Hamptons, lots of brown and beige cachmere and pleated flannel trousers.
And you are partly right Daniel! Cheers, Hugo
Hi. Thanks for your high value work at first. Could you make a vidoe comparing Old Money Style vs. Quiet Luxury vs. Classic Style? A video focusing on accessoires would be very helpful, too. Please keep on making videos. Best regards, Dominik Mauer.
It would be great to also hear quickly about an essential item which you missed i.e. the watch 😊
Insightful video. gentleman's gazette also recently did a video where they touched on if old money style is classic menswear
We saw this a few minutes before publishing this one. It means we are tuned on what's going on! Cheers, Hugo
My dear ,,,i totally enjoyed your presentation with your special calming voice )))),,,,,Loved your simple chic outfit a lot ,,just missing your signature scarf accessory ))))). Love to you & Hugo from Cairo
Thanks for the reply Nader, I always enjoy your reflections and suggestions. Cheers ! Sonya
@@SARTORIALTALKS Ohh!! That's really nice to hear!! Thanks again my dear🙏🙏🙏
This is so good! Oh Sonya, I wish you had a video on the subject tailored for ladies. What are your favorite movies for ladies Old Money aesthetic inspiration? Thank you.
Hello and thanks. I do at last have a tailoring episode in mind for women that I hope will pan out. In regard to inspirational movies, the first that comes to mind is Gwyneth Paltrow in The Talented Mr. Ripley (1999). Even Paltrow's wardrobe during her recent real-life court appearances exuded an aesthetic worth studying (maybe her early days attending an all-girl private school has something to do with her flair for dressing). Thanks for the kind reply, Sonya
Sonia,
You and Hugo are amazing
That's very kind of you Luciano! Cheers, Sonya and Hugo
What a great episode! Thanks Sonya! ( please tell Hugo I'm sorry we won the rugby last night!🤣🤣)
Thanks Nick! And it's normal that you won, because you were 16, we were only 15... Cheers, Hugo
@@SARTORIALTALKS 😜🤣🤣
Wow Sonya!
Excellent breakdown of the OM aesthetic!
I always look forward to the talks from you and Hugo. After seeing this I believe I fall between Norm Core and Quiet Luxury, of course I’m still new in this sartorial journey.
Again, thank you to you both for the excellent content you put out!!!
With great pleasure! Sonya and Hugo
What is the music you play during the opening and closing of the videos...it is beautiful...
Loved it!!!
Thanks making an informative video, fun.
Thanks Marc! Hugo
Money hates noise.
Yes Jason! Cheers, Hugo
😂 YES, it truly does.
Except if it is US$. Then all that matters is noise and tweets...
@@alexmarques2398 that’s the ways of “new money” 💰
@@alexmarques2398not the class acts
Very interesting, as always. This particular style and aesthetic has been going on for the longest time, guess it just needed a fashionable name to top it off.
I'd like to ask you though, both Sonya and Hugo, what are your thoughts on leatherware for pieces other than shoes and loafers?
For instance, leather jackets and overcoats, skirts, trousers... etc (not talking about the biker and noisy pieces, but rather the "minimalist and elegant" pieces where the quality of the leather is the focus of the item instead of the accesories and shiny added elements), as either layering or statement elements. I'm fully aware that those styles are probably out of your blogosphere, but I'm sure you have opinions of your own.
Either way, always a pleasure to hear you both.
Hi Timothy, I agree with you regarding the label of "old money" style becoming (conveniently) popular. We aren't drawn to all of the leatherwear you describe; however, I do like the occasional punchy leather piece that doesn't dominate an outfit. A leather skirt (or even quality pleather) has worked well for me in the past, although the trouser version is too much, imo. And who doesn't like a quality leather bomber or biker jacket (quality being the key word)? Sonya
Would it be possible to explain how to get rid of sweat stains? Also how to handle wear and tear under the armpit? Basically everything about suit armpits haha 😉👍✨ Thanks
It's a good idea ! Hugo's mom soaks the area in vinegar and baking soda with good results. Sonya
Sonja any style recommendations for the dinner jacket not black tie events rather the 1800 hrs Gentleman Attire going to a restaurant for example
Apparently I have a lot of norm core tendencies. I have all of those products minus the jeans. I like predator and ivy for my casual wear. Overall I have a quite luxury style.
Sounds like your wardrobe is well-rounded and coherent. Cheers ! Sonya
What an excellent video.
Glad to see your reply. Thank you ! Sonya
A hypnotic Lady Friday, deciphering the genesis of a projectionist's hypnotism in the pastel words from Babylon. Shall the times arrived upon real good wealth and shouldering aplomb the crested oakshell doors always echo concert your voice guide the intercom, ushering the most virtuous guests to the heartland. Salute' !🙏🖐✊
Poetry--thank you ! Sonya
RFK Jr. is “old money” and I’ve noticed that he’s always well dressed, and usually wears a coat and tie; with the latter being narrow (and usually black) which is straight out of the Sixties when his world was upended by the assassinations of his uncle, then his own father.
Thanks! Hugo
Bravo! More Sonya, less Gentleman.
I agree! Cheers, Hugo
Sonya & Hugo
I live in Turkey’s countryside.
My employees like to wear black skinny jeans.
My wife says she thinks they look okay.
I think they look garish.
Am I wrong?
Hello,
Skinny jeans are not my taste these days, but I've learned to never say never. Cheers ! Sonya
Thank you 🙏
I feel vindicated 😊
Fire all of them.
Hugo should see a California blonde female youth on some hot and sunny day wearing pink lipstick, white hip huggars and a pink bikini top. I did, many years ago. That shockingly effective color combination instantly reminded me of an ice cream cone! Also, a shout out specifically to Nantuckett reds! I tried them last year. They go with almost any kind of shirt, even a navy blazer. Long or shorts versions are available at Murray's Toggery Shop. Embrace that East coast look! Thank you for this entertaining video.
Haha, thanks for the reference to Murray's and the Nantucket reds ! Hugo
Other than loafers, what about Boat shoes like Sperry Topsiders ?
Beautiful suite Sonya!
Thanks! Sonya
Amazing
She's right about Anderson Cooper, he goes to my gym and Iives in my neighborhood- if you did not know who he was you'd never know he's a mulitmillionare, he dresses very casually, is super friendly, even at the gym, so fancy sneakers with logos, just simple New balances black shorts and a plain black tee. The problem with "normcore" is if you are not Anderson Cooper, you look just like a regular accountant/bank manager/ fill in the blank from the subarbs. I personally like to do the ivy/prep look in especially in the summers as living in downtown Manhattan there are plenty of outdoor restaurants/cafes to just relax and people watch. but I do jazz it up slightly, I wear a hermes belt with linen pants/shirt or a le Coste polo and instead of plain penny loafers I'll wear either black or brown 1953 gucci horse bit loafers. For eye wear i wear Rayban Aviators. I've noticed when I dress this way, walking into most restaurants, I get seated immediately and get excellent service. How you present yourself does make a difference in how people treat you. My girlfriend always reminds me to dress down and drop the gucci's when I take the car to get it serviced as they'll raise the price of the repairs based on the shoes lol. !
Thank you. Very informative.
I appreciate your reply and glad to know. Sonya
You may know it when you see it. You may even try to copy it. But it's acquired. And most who have acquired it don't even realize it's a thing.
I kind of agree with you. Cheers, Hugo
Also ladies and gentlemen. Please remember to put woods in your shoes within 30 minutes of taking them off. It's non-negotiable. Cheers!
Indeed! Non negotiable. Best, Hugo
Banana Republic is good for Normcore and Ivy/Prep.
I used to shop there a lot for their Tees -- I imagine BR might have decent everyday jumpers/sweaters too. Sonya
Hi Sonya, I got a little confused... You said avoid the branded items in the first 3 categories, but then said use them in category 4?
Would you kindly explain the differentiation. Many thanks, I thoroughly appreciate the knowledge you and Hugo share. 🙏🏻
Hi John,
Fourth Category:
For special events requiring dressing up on short notice, there are less-recognizable designer brands like Kitten, Attolini, Brunello Cucinelli, Loro Piana, Isabelle Marrant, Patek Phillipe which aren't flashy but convenient for generational wealth to wear at times (of course in contrast, anybody can recognize gucci and versace or lvmh). My point is that for certain occasions, branded items are accepted. Cheers ! Sonya
Thanks Sonya.
😊
Illuminating. I use it all
THERE IS BEAUTY IN SIMPLICITY
Not sure where you are going with this topic although interesting. BTW you may want to adjust the volume of your recording as it came across as almost inaudible and I had to really boost the volume to hear the podcast properly. Nevertheless always a pleasure Mme. Jacomet .
Hope the title is self-explanatory; if not, of course suggestions are welcome. Thanks for the audio information ! Sonya
Nice to see Sonya on video again. Now, how about next a video discussing this obnoxious trend topic critically? Wouldn't mind Hugo's opinion on the subject. Individualism and creativity in dressing vs. need to seem belonging to a certain class and tagging things etc. I mean what's the point, Ralph Lauren manifested that look 30 years ago..
Hi, Like you I have style-related practices and attitudes that really push my buttons, but this topic isn't one of them. Frankly, I'm glad to see any motivator that inspires people to dress better and I don't lean towards discouraging anyone who finds their fire lit for classic style, whether Ralph cornered the market on the aesthetic or not. However, I do empathize with your sentiment of annoyance of certain things in the sartorial universe. Sonya
Great content. Thank you.
You're very welcome! Cheers, Hugo
First, like. Now, let's watch and listen now... 😄
😂 thanks! Hugo
Old style but ever elegant.
Ever elegant -- well stated. Sonya
I'm half Hispanic with dark hair. I like playing with dark, rich colors in my outfits. This particular style is a little too boring for me, but to each his own.
like wearing a flag.
always a good talk
thank you.
You're very kind, thanks. Sonya
Asking for a collaboration with "AskOkey" - y'all would do so well together
I did notice them recently and exchanged a friendly note or two. Sonya
@@SARTORIALTALKS Amazing to hear 🤍
Dear Sonya,
Why showing Pini Parma's looks and images, but not mentioning them as a brand?
I would suppose their clothing suits both normcore and quite luxury categories!!!
With the hours of sourcing so many images, it has been time-prohibitive to reference each image in detail. We like Italian-based Pini Parma suits a lot and Thomas (owner) who once worked at Boggi has really upped the MTM suiting game. Sonya