HOW TO CHANGE A HIDDEN BAKE ELEMENT
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2020
- In this video I show you, step-by-step, how to access, test and replace the hidden bake element on an LG kitchen range. Manufactures install these beneath the oven floor to streamline the look of their ovens and to help facilitate oven cleaning. Check out this video to see the problem I found!
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Very articulate detailed instructions, thank you
You're very welcome/ I hope you get your stove working again!
I’m impressed with how patient and calm you were throughout this procedure, as you encountered insane design obstacles that hampered your efforts. This should have been much easier than it was.
I think the reason I was so calm is because of the frontal lobotomy I had done last year. It removed about 99.5% of my brain and now all I can do is move slow and operate a multimeter. Haha. (there should be a good job for me now at some government office, wouldn't you think).🤣 I've learned over the years to just take it easy sometimes...even with frustrating machinery but I do throw the odd wrench and swear like a pirate somedays just for good balance, but that's all off camera. What viewers get is the Cammomile tea me...with just the occasional wrench thrown. LOL
That was very helpful. My bake element just went on my 10 years old LG LSC5683WS and I had no idea how to get this element out. I saw the panel but could not believe I had to rip it out. They are more likely building these oven around pre-assembled components and leaving this tab like this to save production time and money. Most people don't bother fixing things and just go out an buy a new oven anyway. I don't believe LG wants to make our life miserable as their motto is Life is Good!. Your tutorial was spot on and timely. The only difference is that my OEM replacement part ends with a 1!
Glad it helped! It is really unbelievable that there is so much difficulty accessing this part! Best Wishes
Well done
Quite impressed how clean the oven is
Easy-off works wonders!
Thank you for your time and this video. Next month I need to do this to my LRE4211. I may have a few more numbers to the model number, but I certainly get the idea and confidence to do the job. Thank you again.
Glad it helped. I hope your repair goes well. Keep in touch. I'd like to hear how you make out with the fix.
@@EverydayProjects It doesn't look like my LRE4211St does not have an element in the bottom, only on the back and broiler element. Took off the back and there are no wires going from relay to any element under the bottom and no panel like yours behind the main back panel.
That element was really baked. God job on the fix, I didn't see any sparks.
I've seen bake elements with burn marks before, but never one completely disintegrated like this one. Perhaps it has to do with the confined space in which it operates. The manufacturer could have created a better access door to facilitate changing the element but as I eluded to in the video, they really would prefer that you buy a new stove instead of fixing a broken one. Thanks for commenting!
As a Seasoned Mechanical Engineering Service Tech, I have to say you did a great job explaining what your were doing and why you were doing it. Very great Concealed Bake Element Change Out walk through for a LG. Smart for removing the remaining debris, not everyone even takes a look inside to even see what make have cause the issue in the first place. Your situation it seems as though the heating element actually withstood the test of time and lasted long enough to possibly warp to the point of shorting out against the structure and grounding out to oblivion. Just a quick heads-up. It should have tripped your Circuit Breaker before the Grounding Out to Oblivion part happened. You may want to check your Range Circuit Breaker and wires along the way if this was not tripping your breaker at the time of turning on the oven and discovering that the oven was not working. We design these with fire & life safety in mind so there are several safety switches and fusible links between each heating element and the Circuit Breaker so if it was not tripping the breaker before the repair, you may want to check to see if you have a breaker going bad or oversized. Loose connection at any point in the wires for the element can cause melting at the wire terminals and insulators but not the the element, after all it is designed to get heated. So this leaves me to believe that if your breaker was not tripping, you either have an oversized breaker or a breaker getting ready to die out. Either way figure since you seem pretty thorough in your findings you might want to entertain this possible future repair. But just in case it did the amperage did not raise enough to trigger the breaker to trip (which is scary) the HLCS High Limit Control Switch should have kicked in and cut the power to the particular element, and if that failed then there are at least two to three more safety switches for backing up those safety switches per element. So get back in there and let me know what you find.
Thank you for commenting! You are absolutely correct in your assessment of the stove tripping the breaker. But that was happening with the previous owner of this stove, until it stopped tripping, but the oven still would not work. My guess is that while the distorted element was making contact with the body of the stove, it tripped the breaker, but once the element broke into pieces, the situation moved from a SHORT to an OPEN circuit.
I picked up the stove for FREE because the oven wouldn't work (no doubt about it) and one of the surface burners was inoperative. I was using the surface burners only in this cabin, with no use for the oven...until this video.
It is still amazing how difficult it is to access this element. As I've said previously, it seems that the manufacturer would prefer a consumer buy a new stove than fix this oven!
Best wishes and thanks again for your thorough and correct diagnosis!
I found your video very helpful so thanks, I have a fairly similar stove and my problems is that the oven doesn’t heat up past 350 degrees, I installed a new thermistor but that didn’t fix it, so only after watching your video i realize it may be the same element mine needs replacing, I didnt even know that element existed until watching your video so thanks again, now i just have to find the replacement element and hope that it fixes my problem.
If your oven has a smooth floor then you most likely have the element hidden underneath. If you search online using your stove model number (found on a sticker inside the warming drawer) for bake element, you should find one. Good luck! I'm glad my video helped you. Please like and share my video and if you like the things I do, please click subscribe. It's Free!
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No beer needed. If you look in the "show more" section under the video, there is a link to "Buy me a Coffee" though. I'm glad my video helped.
I got a Kemore from probably the same vintage with a hidden element as well. Hopefully there's some similarities in how it comes apart.
I have an LG oven that doesn't seem to heat up evenly. I took the back off and measured power to the upper and lower elements while the oven was pre-heating. My oven never powers both elements at the same time. One is on for about 1 minute, the power swaps to the other one for 1 minute. I measured about 10 amps at 220 V for each element when it was on. Does this sound correct to you?
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It's an unusual place to find an oven heating element but it seems to be the trend lately. Glad you enjoyed the video.
How's she goin'? I am a fellow RUclips creator from Canada and my LG electric range wasn't working like yours. I searched RUclips for 'How To' vids to make a repair and found your channel. This video shows a nice step by step on how to access and change the element. Thanks for sharing as this is exactly what I needed. You have helped a fellow Canadian and RUclipsr out today buddy!! Thanks. I subbed and will be back to follow your channel!!! Take 'er easy!!!
You are very kind. I always hope that my videos entertain or inform (or both). I picked up this LG stove for free because the previous owner didn't want to go to the trouble of fixing the oven. As you can see, it isn't that difficult if approached in a step-by-step manner. I'm glad you found it useful! Welcome to the channel my fellow Canuck, haha. I'll be checking out your content too (and subscribing). Take care!
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Un fffing believable design. I have to replace one on this model.
Just take your time...it's doable but not a lot of fun. I cannot believe that they seal the element door so thoroughly at the factory. If you wreck the door taking it out, just get a piece of sheet metal at Home Depot and make up a copy. Let me know if you need any help/tips. Thanks for watching!
Do you have a suggestion for removing the pieces of the element that are stuck? It was a hard work and I can’t take it all out... I couldn’t really remove that door, it’s all scrapped now, think I’m gonna need another piece of metal for replace this. It’s really hard for changing a simple element, I can’t believe this. If you have some advice, I would be grateful, I tried everything that I have to take the pieces out and it’s impossible! Thank you for your video
Perhaps you can fabricate a replacement cover from some sheet metal. Often, the big box stores will carry pieces of metal. Getting the old , broken pieces of the element out is important but not entirely necessary. Just so long as the new element will fit without interference. I’d try to get all the loose pieces cleaned out if I could, though. Sometimes a sheet metal shop can make you a new cover much less expensively than you might know. Best of luck. Remember, be safe and if in doubt, call an appliance technician. Best wishes!
Great Video! I have a Kenmore Elite Double oven that is not warming as it should. It is 9 years old. Is it more likely to be the Temp Sensor or the one of the heating elements? Thanks
Not sure what the problem could be with your oven. Usually, it is a step-by-step elimination process to troubleshoot any appliance. There are many online sources to help. Try searching for "Kenmore Elite Double Oven Not Heating" and go from there. You can first try to reset your oven to factory by this method: How to Reset a Kenmore Elite Stove Oven
1. Press the "7" button on the Kenmore Elite keypad.
2. Continue holding the "7" button for at least six seconds until a single beep sounds.
3. Press the "Start" button on the keypad once. This will reset the oven back to the factory default settings.
Try any simple, step-by-step method to try to eliminate the components that work vs. those that do not. Remember, BE SAFE and don't attempt any repair beyond your skill level. Often, a qualified repair technician is the best call. They can save you time and money since they will know just what to look for. Good Luck.
@@EverydayProjects Thanks so much for your response. I appreciate your help.
Great video. I have a 2007 LST5601ST and replaced the bake element with replacement part MEE36593201. The original element had indeed burned out in one spot. There was no continuity for it. By the way, the difficult plate on the back was easy to lift out once all the small connection points had been broken. Put in the new element and found out that the new bake element did not work either. Checked to make sure it hadn't failed as well, but it had continuity. I am really lacking in any electric or electronic knowledge. Any ideas what the problem might be? Might there be internal fuses or switches that might have gone off when the original burner failed?
Turns out it was the circuit board for the oven (not the main board). I replaced it and everything works fine. I guess the circuit board acts a fuse in this case.
This comment just turned up now. Sorry about the really Late reply. Glad you got it fixed
My LG oven take way too long to preheat, I change the temp sensor but that did not solve my preheating problem. Now I'm leaning toward the hidden bake element, could it be damage to the point where it effect the time for preheat ?
Thanks the video was great !
The preheat is definitely affected by either the broiler or the hidden bake element not functioning, because they both work together to bring the oven up to temperature. If the preheat takes a long time, or the oven doesn't get to temperature, I'd be looking at one or the other. The oven in the video was displaying that symptom exactly. It would take forever to reach the preheat (if at all). Best of luck with the repair! Remember, be safe! Power off at breaker + Unplug stove. Also watch for sharp edges on stove panels!
@@EverydayProjects Yup that is exactly what happened to mine. I pulled out the temp sensor and it read 1097 ohms on my multimeter, which is within spec. Then went through elimination by testing the resistance on each of my elements starting with the broiler, the convection heater. They both tested around 17 ohms I think. When I got to the bake element, it had infinite resistance and no continuity just like shown in this video. I visually inspected the PCB power control board for any signs of heat damage or leaking filter capacitors. so far so good. I ordered an ew bake element for $120 as well as a new touch pad interface as they always end up cracking after year of usage.
@@MrActionRadar Best of luck with your repair. Thanks for stopping by. Take care
I spent an hour prying, hammering, chiseling, and cutting with tin snips to get that cover off! Easy 15 min element change otherwise. I will suggest try cutting out this opening with a dremel and thin cut off discs instead.
Yes, that's a tough one to get off. They really don't want you in there to fix it but would prefer that you buy another stove when the element blows. Or so it seems. Like you suggest, a dremmel and thin cut off wheels would be a better way than prying the cover off. I'm glad you got it fixed!!
Thanks for your video. On my stove, the little panel is completely stuck on, after I cut the little tabs nothing is moving at all. It completely destroy it if I try to pull it off. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
The cover on mine was hard to remove too. They really don't make the element easy to replace. They'd much prefer you buy a whole new stove it seems!
I wouldn't worry too much if you destroy the cover taking it out. Just try working around the edge by driving a flat screwdriver between the cover and the back of the stove (wear some gloves, it's sharp!). Once you have it out, if it's damaged, try flattening the cover on a hard surface by tapping with a hammer. If that fails, the big box stores like Home Depot and Lowes sell small pieces of sheet metal that you could cut to size. The replacement cover doesn't have to be an exact replica, just so long as you cover the opening and it doesn't interfere with the electrodes of the element. I hope this helps! Good luck. Any other questions just write.
Thanks for the quick response, the info was exactly what I needed.
@@georgeslabrosse3194 You are very welcome!
I'm into mine at this point, too. !@#$% LG does not want you replacing the bake element, I swear! :^)
My son said "Designed by design engineers that never physically work on their projects!"
Hey this was somewhat useful but I wish you could help me with my Frigidaire oven the element went out and it has 3 elements but the one that went out is in the back of the oven but idk how to get to it if you can help in anyway or anyone would be so much help before thanksgiving!!
I would search online using the model number of the stove (found on a white sticker either inside the door or warming drawer) and then select "Images" and you should be able to find an exploded view of the stove parts, often with part numbers, then check for parts on ebay or Amazon. An easy test of the element is shown in this video once the POWER IS OFF ! Use a multimeter on the continuity setting. There should be continuity through a good heating element. Good luck.
Hi I wanted to change the element in our zanussi double oven I removed the element but the 2 spade connector wires fell in the back so I heard to remove the back to retrieve the wires but because they are both grey I don't know which g goes on which terminal now. If they get put on the wrong way round on the new element will it destroy it.
The bake element is simply a resistance circuit that gets hot as a result of current passing through it. There should be no issue with hooking the element wires in reverse, since there is no polarity. In an alternating current circuit, the current reverses many times per second. In North America, current reverses at 60 Hz, which is 60 times per second.
@@EverydayProjects phew that is a relief i was worried i would blow the new element up if they were the wrong way round. I should have paid more attention at physics classes. Im in the UK by the way and thanks.
@@sajidkhanmahmood Everything is the same except the frequency of alternating current in the UK is 50 Hertz (Hz) which is 50 cycles per second as opposed to 60 Hz in North America.
@@EverydayProjects hi I was successful in chanting the element and sacred my self about£100 thanks to RUclips.
@@sajidkhanmahmood Glad to hear that. Best wishes! Don't forget to click "Subscribe"
They had so much space to make that a screw-on cover. I can't believe it's so hard. I'm not sure what their goal is? For me to buy a new range because it's hard to replace a baking element? Unbelievable. If anything they just made me never want to buy an LG product again. I have a Bosch dishwasher, and replacing parts on it is so damn easy, because of this I will always choose Bosch over LG even if that means paying more, it is worth it!
I hear ya! It is a near impossibility for the average homeowner to succeed at this repair. It seems that LG either thought the element would last forever or they want you to buy a whole new stove when the hidden element packs it in. I said some "bad words" (even a few compound-bad-words) when I performed this repair, all aimed at LG (and all edited out of my family-friendly video). LOL
I've heard that the self cleaning feature can cause lots of problems due to the high temps.
Good point! The extreme heat from self-cleaning ovens must have detremental effects on the life-span of the elements. Other times, the heat from the oven can damage other parts of a stove. I had a Jennaire Gas range that went through control boards because the board was mounted on the front of the stove immediately above the oven door. When I looked it up, I found countless forums about the exact issue from many owners. Stove manufactures (most) are in the business of selling stoves for profit and not in the business of making stoves that will last for decades, or so it seems. Thanks for watching and for making a comment.
This not bad compare to ge profile range where you have to take the whole oven part to get to the hidden element
That doesn't sound like any fun at all. This was bad enough. Thanks for your comment and please consider subscribing. There is no cost whatsoever. Thanks
Hi our LG cooks unevenly, meaning if I cook a frozen pizza half way through I have to turn the pizza 180 degrees. I use Bake for that not convention so my question is mine burned out partially? The top element is strictly for broil, correct?
Usually an oven will not reach temperature when the hidden element is failing. I'd get it checked. Sounds like it's on the way out.
hardest part is removing that bake element access panel. I've gotten 3/4 the way through and now seems impossible to separate on the right side. i now have a chisel trying to pry it away and still not working well. I've cut all those "holes" apart and still holding on well. Any tips?
Just use a chisel and a hammer (or screwdriver and hammer) and see if you can cut the remaining steel. It's not easy but it will come out. As I say during the video, LG doesn't seem to want you in there to change it. The element change should not be this difficult. Be careful of sharp edges. If you destroy the metal piece removing it, I suggest getting a blank piece of steel from Home Depot, or such other place, and make up a replacement. All it has to do is block off the opening.
@@EverydayProjects Thanks for the reply.....You're not kidding. Figured that was the inevitable. I'll continue chiselling to get access. Just don't understand them making it this difficult...I mean the techs would have to do the same thing! muphy. Thanks for the video.
@@mikehunter5733 It's called "Built-in Obsolesence". They really would much prefer that when the oven bake element gives it up, that you throw the whole thing out and buy their latest model ! At least that's what it seems, especially with this particular stove. Best Wishes
I’m doing this right now on mine.
Good luck--Be careful!
@@EverydayProjects it worked!
@@friend_built 👍Glad to hear it!
How did you find the part number for the element that you needed? I have an LG LCS5633WS (13 years old now..) that the hidden bake element just went on and I can't confirm the part number I need anywhere. Would it be the same as yours?
Do an internet search for " LG stove parts". When you find a site that sells replacement parts, enter your model number, and search for the element from the list they provide. As an example, here is one of many sites that may be able to find your exact part. Good luck! www.repairclinic.com/Shop-For-Parts/a13b200/Lg-Range-Stove-Oven-Parts
@@EverydayProjects awesome thanks for the fast reply
@@wyarmyboy Now you have to subscribe to my channel, ha ha!
@@EverydayProjects haha will do. I still don't seem to be having any luck with my particular part number tried the site you sent and many others.
@@wyarmyboy I'd double check the part number. Sometimes I wear two pairs of glasses to read those numbers, they're small!
What kind of sadist engineered this thing? I suspect my 10 year old LG has the same issue and I'm half tempted to throw it out.
It appears that they'd prefer you did that, but the element can be changed. We live in a "Throw-away society" where product manufacturers seem to want you to buy their latest creation all the time. This thinking knows no bounds: cars, fridges, and small appliances follow this rule, even when the technology is out there to make things last for decades! Remember your grandmothers old refrigerator? Still running no doubt, but not the modern stuff! Thanks for watching and good luck with the repair!
Helping a friend who has a Kenmore model 790.46893903 which also appeared to have no removable bottom panel. I am helping him remotely, and he tells me that the inside cavity of the oven has no seams - one continuous shell. I suspect that it must be like this one where the element has to be accessed from the back.
Can anyone confirm for Kenmore model 790.46893903?
I found an online manual for that model (790.46893903 ) but the drawing seems to show that the bake element is visible inside the bottom of the oven. Are you certain the model number is correct? Here is the online manual: ftp://ftp.electrolux-na.com/prodinfo_pdf/lassomption/5995586210.pdf
I will continue to research this issue and will reply with more information as I discover it. Best Wishes!
Pls check link. Doesn't load
@@EverydayProjects
@@EverydayProjects Model # is correct www.dropbox.com/s/k5p4onvgia9eh06/Oven%20model.JPG?dl=0
@@SammytheBammy1 I couldn't copy the link either. Here is something that I did find. It is a list of links for oven heating problems on the same stove Kenmore model 790.46893903
www.appliancepartspros.com/repair-help/kenmore-range-79046893903-repair
@@EverydayProjects I think I got it. I was finally able to download the manual and the diagrams were the clearest I've seen. From that, I believe I've figured it out. You have to pull out the warming drawer, unscrew the baking element pan from the bottom and then get access to the element. I'll work on it tomorrow.
I never know this hidden element, my wife saide bake not working 😅😅😅
Good luck on the repair.
My LG LRE30453ST/01 has this same hidden bake element and the cover PANEL will not come off after clipping like the service manual showed. I’ve used a chisel, a dremel, and tried to score the FAKE panel lines with sharp tools. This panel was not made to come off. I’ve managed to cut and mangle the metal along several areas so far but it’s still stuck. If I somehow manage to get it off will it even be safe to put back since it’s mangled? How to get this panel off?
I appreciate your video. It should have been doable and a somewhat easy fix. Looks like it won’t be though because of this poor design by LG.
Edit- I notice at 5:04 when you pressed along your panel the separation lines clearly showed . My panel does not show any separation at all when pressed.
Cut out the panel with a jig saw with a short metal blade and install a new sheet metal piece, Home Depot / Lowes, etc. sells small pieces that would work. Just drill and use sheet metal screws to attach.
I've never seen one in that bad of condition. WTH?
Yes, the element was completely disintegrated!
Stick to the meat & potatoes. We know how to release a tab . 😅
Ok, wise guy...you do a tutorial and we'll critique it. It's hard to please eveyone but overall, I think this video has helped. I'll be waiting for your stove repair upload.