17:05 Notably, this is counting your names among unlocked doors, so it’s only 4 different fully unlocked Room cards. Cards beyond the 4th just give you options for cheaper doors to unlock (it’s gonna be easier to unlock a Funeral Room than a Mirror Hall)
@@MetalHev Oh absolutely. It just depends on how many cheap rooms we end up getting in the set to see if its insanely bad but actually possible. No way anyones activating half the rooms we've seen so far haha. That'd be like 32 mana with 2 colored pips on each at least?
The Leyline of Transformation in Legacy elves is actually crazier and easier than you talked about. You can draw your entire deck on turn two with one land and a mull to five. Forest, mana dork, Leyline, Symbiote, Glimpse. Turn 1: Leyline, land, dork. Turn 2: glimpse, symbiote, bounce and draw your entire deck.
Leyline of resonance is such a mistake of a card, it is literally “have cut down in your opening hand or you literally don’t have counterplay because 2 mana removal is too slow” which is not acceptable for bo1 standard to exist. It doesn’t matter if it only happens in a quarter of games, that’s a quarter of games that you will instantly lose if you don’t mull to it, and there is just not a lot of it to have redundancy, like a one drop creature isn’t enough because oops monstrous role exists.
I'm surprised you didn't mention Hopeless Nightmare or Bandit's talent while talking about Victor. It's basically a card made for that Orzhov discard deck, specially if you see that the reanimation is from any graveyard.
Could Leyline of Resonance make infect playable in modern again? T2/T3 kills seem very consistent with it T1: Glistener Elf T2: Pretty much any 2 pump spells: Might of Old Krosa +4/+4 Mutagenic Growth +2/+2 for kill with potentially protection up
The thing I thought of for Leyline of Transformation was Tribes that normally only have tokens. Like in the Watcher in the Water deck, it cares about tentacles, but there are no tentacle cards, so now you can have all your squids and octopodes become tentacles too.
42:00 the curses appeared in ammonkhet so I don't see why they couldn't make Grievous Wounds a curse. I seriously don't get the designers sometimes lol
Here is how you do the Hedge Shredder thing in Modern 4 Crabs 4 Shredders 1 Emrakul the Aeons Torn 1 Zuran Orb 25 spells (most likely counter magic, removal and card draw) 25 lands, including 4x Sagas (for the orb) and 1 Yavimaya and 1 of the common lands from Thunder Junction that pings for 1 With Zuran Orb and Shredder in play, play the Crab and a land. This starts a chain of milling yourself until you find the ping land. Keep milling yourself until you mill an Emrakul. Trigger on the stack, sac all your lands to shuffle them all in your library. With some testing, you might be able to just mill the opponent and not have to run the 1 of ping land, but this is insurance against an opposing Emrakul and incredibly low opportunity cost. Repeat this process until your opponent is dead. Chances to whiff are close to 0% once you have 2 or more stacks of Crab on the stack. You play Yavimaya in case Emrakul ends up in hand. You do the same combo until you find Yavimaya to tap fetch lands for green and have enough to hard cast play Emrakul when you untap.
Ghost vacuum can hit your own graveyard, so if you are doing hedge trimmer things and mill creatures that you wanted, you can use Ghost Vacuum to get them back at least as a token. I'm sure there's other, better ways to get the real card back rather than getting a weaker version of it, but I think there's self target Ghost Vacuum options that could be cool
I don’t understand why Seth has made so many errors with reading the cards and weirdly never corrected it. Saying things like it costs 5 mana when it cost 4, or comes in tapped when it doesn’t, just adding words.. very off character
I wonder how expansive the verge cycle is gonna be. I think they'll finish it at 10 next expansion set with all 10 color pairs, but it could be cool to eventually make it a 20 card cycle with the inverted versions of them. It would be less cool if they only gave us inverted versions of the ally colors as the cycle.
I know it probably doesn't make sense to do but like if the guilds has sub classes/types based on the order of the mana value symbol. For example, Azorious could have a deck archetype that is WU that emphasizes on enchantments/permenants while UW would represents draw/counterspells. There's the traditional way they order the color symbols on the mana value but they could change that with the use of 20 verge lands. Rakdos is often shown as Black/Red. Goblins are typically Red so what if Goblins were now printed with red as the primary color followed by whatever secondary color. Rakdos Goblins being Red/Black for example. It'll add more to the utilization of the verge lands and cards like them that has fun with the colors of cards mana value.
53:30 We already have an unconditional reanimation spell for 4 mana in Standard. Sheoldred's Reconstruction. And to be fair the lifeloss is a pretty real drawback, but so is having your reanimation spell be vulnerable to Cut Down.
@@OneEyed_Jack I know but if you wait and spend 5 mana on it in a single turn you don't get the advantage of having a reanimation spell on turn 4. At that point you might as well just play The Cruelty of Gix or whatever.
@L_O_V_E_L_A_I_N that's fair but, depending on the deck, it could still be a backup on 5 while having the versatility to be a 1 drop creature that might sneak in some early damage or soak up a removal. Specifically as a 4 mana reanimate, it's worse in most cases, but it dodges or gets in under a lot of popular counter magic and dodges Duress. I wouldn't call it a replacement, especially if turn 4 is specifically important, but it definitely has uses.
2:47 I could see some grindy reanimator idea with this, especially if it's Dimir Flash as well. White Lay Down Arms hoses this for your creatures, but not for your opponent unless they run tokens. Very interesting idea. Also might be decent in academy rector 12:14 At least it's subject to Time Travel
Leyline of resonance is really good for infect. 2 pump spells kill instead of 3-4. Also allows those same spells to dodge counterspells, since you're effectively putting multiple pump spells on the stack. Your singleton become immense is now a 1 card kill. It also gets past chalice of the void since the copy isn't cast!! Hedge shredder is insane too, but more for the meme, and I desperately want this modern deck to happen on against the odds or much abrew or something, you have to experience it. Crab, shredder, zuran orb and a shuffledrazi is infinite landfall triggers; play land, trigger crab, sac land, mill for more crab triggers, sacking those land, and cycling the sacced land back into the deck with eldrazi triggers
Hedge Shredder looks made for the new simic commander. A land enters, manifest dread, and if you have a land as the goes to the graveyard, you can turn the other one face up.
While there's always been an arms race between Aggro, Midrange, and Control. It definitely feel like Wotc is taking it past an acceptable level. On one hand, Red Aggro decks are getting all these tools to try to win on turn 3 and this new Red Leyline possibly makes it possible on turn 2. Granted, it may not be the most optimal thing for Aggro decks in Standard, but people are gonna try it on Arena. Especially in Best of one for Standard and Alchemy on Arena. However, Pyroclasm is getting reprinted into Standard and there's a 3 mana Wrath. Plus, Day of Judgement is reprinted in Foundations, which won't rotate until 2029 at the earliest. Granted, we've had a nice stretch of Standard being in a good place, especially in Best of 3, but all these cheap wraths could make Aggro unplayable competitively. While losing on turn two is gonna add to the feel bads and spite towards Aggro and Red in general.
Leyline of Resonance is super busted for the Dualcaster Mage-style combos with "Copy" instant/sorceries. With it, you no longer HAVE to get enough mana to cast the spell and the copier creature in response. You can copy something else earlier, and have it already out, then when you cast your "copy"-spell, Leyline gives you a second to point at the copier creature.
Leyline of Transformation to make everything a skeleton plus Corpses of the Lost is brokenly good. Grievous Wound plus Bloodletter of Aclazotz + shock = instakill.
So the best combo for Hedge Shredder would be: Hedge Shredder, Gaea's Blessing, Hedron Crab, Spelunking, and the finale is Doppelgang and once you have all that mana you cast Doppelgang and target your lands and then mill all 20 opponents in a huge commander game.
You'd think the blue leyline wouldnt work because you choose a type as it enters and the game starts with it on the battlefield so you wouldnt think it ever actually enter.
Elevator / Stairs doesn't seem crazy hard since it reads to me like it is counting doors, not cards. Getting 4 different cards on the battlefield, especially when one will tutor a second doesn't seem herculean. Then again a lot of these room cards have at least one side that is 6+ CMC to unlock, and 4 different room cards will take a lot of deck slots if they aren't useful on their own.
>Doesn't seem crazy hard >Needs 40 cmc worth of bad permanents that die to Get Lost, and you need a full turn because its on upkeep Its not bad, its r/badmtgcombos levels of bad
@@whenwhere6173small disclaimer that the double discount is only from hand not on field unlocking a room isn’t casting it, it’s activating an ability which the cat won’t discount it as an “ enchantment”.
Hedge shredder + Herron crab + the one card that has you shuffle your graveyard into your library over and over. Or alternatively a commander deck with grolnok and this combo would be insane
Yeah Gaea's Blessing seems useful, but it's also possible it wrecks the combo. The blessing may force you to put a bunch of non land cards into your deck. Suddenly the self mill won't find as many lands and it fizzles. But it would prevent you from decking yourself.
Like many people, I was skeptical of this set when it was revealed but I'm actually loving the style and theme. Innistrad is kinda hamstrung by its setting and need to follow the tribes so I like them trying out new horror stuff that wouldn't fit well there.
Black MDFC, Sacrifice, Fury, Red Card, Dark Ritual, Goblin Charbelcher...6 cards kill on turn 1 in Timeless. Bolt in land, Evoke Fury, Sacrifice with trigger on the stack gives 5 mana. Cast Dark Ritual up to 7 mana. Belcher and activate.
51:30 no the surveil lands do not make verges enter untapped, verges ALWAYS enter untapped. you rly have it this episode to put "tapped" on cards that doesnt have it on them xD
With the elevator/stairway room youd only need 4 individual cards if you have both halves active, as the two haves are treated as two separate names on the battlefield, so if there are low cost rooms it could be an easier alt win than it appears initially. Its in the rules preview for the mechanic on wizards website.
"We didn't make Grievous Wound a curse because curse are an Instrad thing" -WotC We've literally already be there WotC ... "Consider don't have surveil because surveil is a Ravnica/Dimir thing", proceed to errata consider one year later ... Also The Meathook Massacre was also an Inistrad thing, plus Omenpath exist now.
Niko is going to be crazy mid-range that can pivot to control or aggro depending upon opening draw...Commander/Brawl is about to finally get a fun archetype to play against (not stuck in a slowly draining death for 25 turns or watch a player rope you 13 times per match while they durddle)
Verge's are better versions of tained lands from torment, which were pretty ok, they seem good and it is nice to see new rare 2 color lands that are playable and imaginative and have what...20 permutations available to us over future sets.
Its not that they refused to make Greivous Wound a curse, it that they didnt set out to make any curses, and Grevious Wound was initially designed as a rare showcasing a new mechanic for the set. That mechanic was cut from the set and the card redesigned, but the flavor and idea of the card remained and making it a curse wasnt really considered.
i think funeral room/awakening hall will be a good piece in standard for decks that wanna grind a game out, gain life to pad out until you can drop the 8 room and bring all the dorks you sacked off for life back
The Red Leyline is not acceptable imo Its easily capable of killing turn 2 or 3 even with a single leyline. Two basically guarentees it. Lets say the deck has a 30% win rate with scamp and the mouse right? Every single time you lose, especially on the draw to this because they had 1 or two leylines on turn 2 is going to feel like utter garbage. It doesnt matter if the deck has a low win rate if every single loss to it feels like shit. Its no different from how tibalts trickery felt like garbage to lose to even if it didnt have the greatest win rate. And god forbid it has a HIGH win rate. Every single loss to a deck on turn 2 or 3 with this leyline is going to feel horrible. And even without it they can kill turn 3 easily aways. Not to me tion, I believe with molten duplication it goes infinite? So you can just target scamp or the mouse and win off that right? This card, even if it isnt ban worthy is going to lead to so many feels bad matches where you wonder why you even bothered to play at all. Not an acceptable card imo. I sincerely hope I am wrong though and nobody uses it because if I am right...its going to be horrible.
In Legacy and in a dream world, with one Leyline of Resonance, two Berserk, Two Invigorate, a Glistener Elf and two lands, it is a grand total of 272 infect damage on turn two.
Sacrifice with grief or solitude is giving you 4/5 mana turn one iys going to make the combo decks even more consistent, its a giant middle finger to dimir control.
A 3/2 flash that counters any spell is likely gonna be more than draft chaff. It depends on how creature heavy the format is of course, as if they aren’t putting a manifested creature in play this is real good value. But even if they are they still have to pay mana to flip it. God forbid theres a way to blink/copy it atInstant speed. Even if it ends up not getting there in standard its a classic Counter a horrifying spell in EDH make your opponent hate you less card.But given how much play spell queller saw I would be quite shocked is this “draft chaff” saw zero play. But fun vid as always this was the card i was most excited to hear thought on so might be why I am being sloghtly salty ; P
Grievous Wound might not be a curse but it's still an Aura, and therefore Eriette works for it... if only Eriette did damage instead of loss of life, that would make it an actual combo rather, ya it's an aura... weeee... If i get a Grevious Wound it's still probably gonna go my Eriette deck, cause hey, if I can a creature through, that's half their life, so suddenly those little 2/2 Pegasuses that are in the deck solely to make my enchantments cheaper, can become very dangerous.
If you look at promising stairs there's a period at the end of that Upkeepability. So the winning is not on your upkeep. It's just when you have those 8 unlocked rooms.
Yup, it's a state based action, so you win instantly upon playing or unlocking to get an 8th unlocked door. And he mentions "A lot of permanents" but you only need 4. Since it's counting unlocked doors, not the cards themselves. They do have to have different names though, that might be the trickier part, as you'll probably need to be a 4-5 color deck.
Did you just read Grevious wound without realizing it’s also a 2 card combo with bloodletter of aclazotz? Half their life rounded up is redundancy that curves from bloodletter, which is kind of nice.
8:40 No that's not how that works, you'd draw 4 cards not 12. You'd have 2 copies of the thing because exiled the original, each activating twice via lifelink. It's 1 card draw per activation, it's not whenever you gain life, draw that many cards, any amount of life gain counts just counts as one event. Don't get me wrong that's still pretty good.
If you exile Etali, Primal Conqueror with Ghost Vacuum, sacrifice Ghost Vacuum to its ability and create a 1/1 Etali token, couldn't you use its transform activated ability to turn it into the crazy back side? Obviously takes a lot of mana so maybe not practical, but just curious. Seems like that would work.
43:52 Grievous Wound reads “5 mana kill target player” in most mid-to-low power commander games to me. If you’re running it in a deck with some evasive creatures (like faeries) or god forbid a rakdos ping deck, it should not be difficult to reduce an opponent to a quarter of their health or lower the turn you play it, leaving them to be finished off by the other two players.
The room card that wins the game can do it in the spot there is a period before the next line of text so doesn't that mean as soon as you get 8 rooms you win that counts as a break in the text separating it into two different affects
When it comes to hedge shredder and crab... there's the crab from.... strixhaven block... think it's a 2 drop and works with snow lands.... it's a nice bridge to get to spelunking and the hedge shredder...just tossing that out there.....
Can't wait for Seth's first room win. "Wait, did we break it? Are rooms busted?!" 😂
@@ericaschner3283 you mean, break in!
Next block: Meathook Massacre III, This Time, It's Personal
Following Block: Meathook Massacre IV, The Meatening
Next set's is 2 Fast 2 Meathook
Don't forgot The Meathook Massacre V: Revenge of the Meathooker
Don't forget Meathook Massacre V: It's Morbin Time
M8hook is the pirate-themed hook-arm entry in the series.
Meathook vs Massacre Girl
Bro they actually named a card like a movie sequel. Absolutely genius.
They really nailed the flavor.
Un wanted sequel is a card too
The fact that it’s so much worse than the first card is such a flavor win, too.
@@Midnightv *Unwanted Remake, which is more reprintable which is a delightful extra nuance.
"We're not on Innestrad, so no curses, but here's The Meathook Massacre II"
It should have another name.
Meathook Massacre’s transcend realms and universes. It is destined.
It’s a movie. You think they’re not gonna release it in other planes, and lose those ticket sales?
Ha, yeah, that is a little bit funny.
grevious wound totally isnt a curse too lol
13:09 important to note that they don’t come in tapped like Seth said. The creatures enter untapped.
Grievous Wound + Offspringed Vinelasher + Fetch = over 20 damage. First land drop 2 triggers, 20-> 19 -> 9 -> 8 -> 4, fetch 4 -> 3 -> 1 -> 0
Hmm, that's a good point. Rounding up does make it a bit better than I thought. That sounds sound sweet.
17:05 Notably, this is counting your names among unlocked doors, so it’s only 4 different fully unlocked Room cards. Cards beyond the 4th just give you options for cheaper doors to unlock (it’s gonna be easier to unlock a Funeral Room than a Mirror Hall)
I love jank as much as everyone, but that card is insanely bad.
@@MetalHev Even so, we all know Seth’ll be playing it on Against the Odds sooner rather than later
@@MetalHevnobody said otherwise
@@MetalHev Oh absolutely. It just depends on how many cheap rooms we end up getting in the set to see if its insanely bad but actually possible. No way anyones activating half the rooms we've seen so far haha. That'd be like 32 mana with 2 colored pips on each at least?
Yeah, each name counts separately. Going to be interesting to see how easy it is to pull off. Getting some cheaper rooms helps.
Wizards forgot that Amonkhet has curses.
"Curses are an Innistrad thing."
Ah yes, and Amonkhet is famously part of Innistrad.
Meathook Massacre the Second for 4 mana into Season of Loss for 5 mana seems fun.
I remember when everyone was scared of cat combos in Standard, now we just casually enable T2 kills.
Meathook Massacre II: More Meat, Even More Hooks, Less Massacre
19:25 the role token for monstorous rage doesn't double up. But overall still more than lethal total.
Yeah, you are correct.
its amazing to think Pyroclasm hasnt been in Standard since 2010!
The Leyline of Transformation in Legacy elves is actually crazier and easier than you talked about. You can draw your entire deck on turn two with one land and a mull to five. Forest, mana dork, Leyline, Symbiote, Glimpse. Turn 1: Leyline, land, dork. Turn 2: glimpse, symbiote, bounce and draw your entire deck.
Leyline of resonance is such a mistake of a card, it is literally “have cut down in your opening hand or you literally don’t have counterplay because 2 mana removal is too slow” which is not acceptable for bo1 standard to exist. It doesn’t matter if it only happens in a quarter of games, that’s a quarter of games that you will instantly lose if you don’t mull to it, and there is just not a lot of it to have redundancy, like a one drop creature isn’t enough because oops monstrous role exists.
its lik 10% to happen and then you have to have lands and spells
They shouldn't be considering bo1 when designing cards anyway
@@CFC6788-gs2rlthey should since it’s the most played format
A very similar but worse sequal is also very on theme for Horror Movies
I'm surprised you didn't mention Hopeless Nightmare or Bandit's talent while talking about Victor. It's basically a card made for that Orzhov discard deck, specially if you see that the reanimation is from any graveyard.
Mmm, it does seem interesting in discard.
Now I want to see Seth try a meathook massacre 2 into Nykthos into sadistic sacrament with kicker, just for some classic jank
I am so hyped. Especially for meathook massacre ||
It’s super funny!
This set looks awesome!
Could Leyline of Resonance make infect playable in modern again? T2/T3 kills seem very consistent with it
T1: Glistener Elf
T2: Pretty much any 2 pump spells: Might of Old Krosa +4/+4 Mutagenic Growth +2/+2 for kill with potentially protection up
*brewing noises*
Why does black keep getting the same leyline? Its so boring it just got reprinted in Wilds of Eldraine
Came here just to say that.
The thing I thought of for Leyline of Transformation was Tribes that normally only have tokens. Like in the Watcher in the Water deck, it cares about tentacles, but there are no tentacle cards, so now you can have all your squids and octopodes become tentacles too.
42:00 the curses appeared in ammonkhet so I don't see why they couldn't make Grievous Wounds a curse. I seriously don't get the designers sometimes lol
The vibes on Grevious Wound are immaculate. I love it when games take themselves seriously enough to put in moments like these.
Here is how you do the Hedge Shredder thing in Modern
4 Crabs
4 Shredders
1 Emrakul the Aeons Torn
1 Zuran Orb
25 spells (most likely counter magic, removal and card draw)
25 lands, including 4x Sagas (for the orb) and 1 Yavimaya and 1 of the common lands from Thunder Junction that pings for 1
With Zuran Orb and Shredder in play, play the Crab and a land. This starts a chain of milling yourself until you find the ping land. Keep milling yourself until you mill an Emrakul. Trigger on the stack, sac all your lands to shuffle them all in your library. With some testing, you might be able to just mill the opponent and not have to run the 1 of ping land, but this is insurance against an opposing Emrakul and incredibly low opportunity cost.
Repeat this process until your opponent is dead. Chances to whiff are close to 0% once you have 2 or more stacks of Crab on the stack.
You play Yavimaya in case Emrakul ends up in hand. You do the same combo until you find Yavimaya to tap fetch lands for green and have enough to hard cast play Emrakul when you untap.
Meathook + Gary + Sac Outlet of some kind seem like a pretty neat combo kill
44:11 got me 😂
Gotta keep the Asian Avenger in line.
Also, I completely agree that this should have been a curse.
Ghost vacuum can hit your own graveyard, so if you are doing hedge trimmer things and mill creatures that you wanted, you can use Ghost Vacuum to get them back at least as a token.
I'm sure there's other, better ways to get the real card back rather than getting a weaker version of it, but I think there's self target Ghost Vacuum options that could be cool
57:29 Altanak, 7 Mana 9/9 trampeling insect *bard* - I need that altered version of this xD
Ghost vacuum is a luigis mansion refrence which i never thought id see the day, amazing!
Threats Around Every Corner is so funny with Yarok. For 4 mana, you make two bears, stock your yard, and get 4 basics
I don’t understand why Seth has made so many errors with reading the cards and weirdly never corrected it. Saying things like it costs 5 mana when it cost 4, or comes in tapped when it doesn’t, just adding words.. very off character
He can't see the cards live on screen like we do when he names cards it's not that deep bro
I wonder how expansive the verge cycle is gonna be. I think they'll finish it at 10 next expansion set with all 10 color pairs, but it could be cool to eventually make it a 20 card cycle with the inverted versions of them. It would be less cool if they only gave us inverted versions of the ally colors as the cycle.
I know it probably doesn't make sense to do but like if the guilds has sub classes/types based on the order of the mana value symbol. For example, Azorious could have a deck archetype that is WU that emphasizes on enchantments/permenants while UW would represents draw/counterspells. There's the traditional way they order the color symbols on the mana value but they could change that with the use of 20 verge lands. Rakdos is often shown as Black/Red. Goblins are typically Red so what if Goblins were now printed with red as the primary color followed by whatever secondary color. Rakdos Goblins being Red/Black for example. It'll add more to the utilization of the verge lands and cards like them that has fun with the colors of cards mana value.
53:30 We already have an unconditional reanimation spell for 4 mana in Standard. Sheoldred's Reconstruction. And to be fair the lifeloss is a pretty real drawback, but so is having your reanimation spell be vulnerable to Cut Down.
You never have to pass priority before you sac is as part of the cost if you wait until you have the mana to play and activate.
@@OneEyed_Jack I know but if you wait and spend 5 mana on it in a single turn you don't get the advantage of having a reanimation spell on turn 4. At that point you might as well just play The Cruelty of Gix or whatever.
@L_O_V_E_L_A_I_N that's fair but, depending on the deck, it could still be a backup on 5 while having the versatility to be a 1 drop creature that might sneak in some early damage or soak up a removal.
Specifically as a 4 mana reanimate, it's worse in most cases, but it dodges or gets in under a lot of popular counter magic and dodges Duress. I wouldn't call it a replacement, especially if turn 4 is specifically important, but it definitely has uses.
Leyline of Resonance is going straight into my Feather Redeemed deck for sure
Obviously you blink Niko himself with other cards to get a ton of shards, then use niko to turn the shards into something silly like the mind render
2:47 I could see some grindy reanimator idea with this, especially if it's Dimir Flash as well. White Lay Down Arms hoses this for your creatures, but not for your opponent unless they run tokens. Very interesting idea. Also might be decent in academy rector
12:14 At least it's subject to Time Travel
16:58 Aren't Rooms composed of 2 doors ? The win could be 4 fully unlocked Room or 8 half unlocked Rooms and all the inbetween, right ?
Sacrifice is scary because it lets you play Necropotence, Sorin and also The One Ring off an evoked Grief on turn 1
Leyline of resonance is really good for infect. 2 pump spells kill instead of 3-4. Also allows those same spells to dodge counterspells, since you're effectively putting multiple pump spells on the stack. Your singleton become immense is now a 1 card kill. It also gets past chalice of the void since the copy isn't cast!!
Hedge shredder is insane too, but more for the meme, and I desperately want this modern deck to happen on against the odds or much abrew or something, you have to experience it. Crab, shredder, zuran orb and a shuffledrazi is infinite landfall triggers; play land, trigger crab, sac land, mill for more crab triggers, sacking those land, and cycling the sacced land back into the deck with eldrazi triggers
Happy to see im not the only one seeing promise in Hedge Shredder. The mill/ramp synergy is insane.
I’m totally in love with Victor! What a fun deck concept for commander
Turn 0: leyline naming vampires
Turn 1: dark ritual to sorin. Use ult to put in Emrakul
😢😢😢
Hedge Shredder looks made for the new simic commander. A land enters, manifest dread, and if you have a land as the goes to the graveyard, you can turn the other one face up.
While there's always been an arms race between Aggro, Midrange, and Control. It definitely feel like Wotc is taking it past an acceptable level. On one hand, Red Aggro decks are getting all these tools to try to win on turn 3 and this new Red Leyline possibly makes it possible on turn 2. Granted, it may not be the most optimal thing for Aggro decks in Standard, but people are gonna try it on Arena. Especially in Best of one for Standard and Alchemy on Arena.
However, Pyroclasm is getting reprinted into Standard and there's a 3 mana Wrath. Plus, Day of Judgement is reprinted in Foundations, which won't rotate until 2029 at the earliest.
Granted, we've had a nice stretch of Standard being in a good place, especially in Best of 3, but all these cheap wraths could make Aggro unplayable competitively. While losing on turn two is gonna add to the feel bads and spite towards Aggro and Red in general.
For Victor, *Asinine antics*. 3 creatures on opponent side, cast it, discard a high cost, cast a high cost
Leyline of Resonance is super busted for the Dualcaster Mage-style combos with "Copy" instant/sorceries. With it, you no longer HAVE to get enough mana to cast the spell and the copier creature in response. You can copy something else earlier, and have it already out, then when you cast your "copy"-spell, Leyline gives you a second to point at the copier creature.
Leyline of Transformation to make everything a skeleton plus Corpses of the Lost is brokenly good.
Grievous Wound plus Bloodletter of Aclazotz + shock = instakill.
Ironically meathook massacre is a prequel...because you wanna play it before normal meathook massacre
My kroxa and kunoros deck is loving this new set
Same man, so many fun new toys to play with
Promising staircase seems to say eight unlocked doors, meaning only 4 rooms need to be in play.
Leyline of Resonance will make Red aggro decks even better in standard. Opponents can play a single land before getting turn 2 killed.
So the best combo for Hedge Shredder would be:
Hedge Shredder, Gaea's Blessing, Hedron Crab, Spelunking, and the finale is Doppelgang and once you have all that mana you cast Doppelgang and target your lands and then mill all 20 opponents in a huge commander game.
You'd think the blue leyline wouldnt work because you choose a type as it enters and the game starts with it on the battlefield so you wouldnt think it ever actually enter.
Niko is a very cool design. Likely the one I'll build from this set.
Remember things can only have 1 Role. Copying Monstrous Rage only gives +5/+1.
I think there are good ways to create tons of shards in Standard. You can easily copy or blink Niko in the current Meta.
Elevator / Stairs doesn't seem crazy hard since it reads to me like it is counting doors, not cards. Getting 4 different cards on the battlefield, especially when one will tutor a second doesn't seem herculean.
Then again a lot of these room cards have at least one side that is 6+ CMC to unlock, and 4 different room cards will take a lot of deck slots if they aren't useful on their own.
>Doesn't seem crazy hard
>Needs 40 cmc worth of bad permanents that die to Get Lost, and you need a full turn because its on upkeep
Its not bad, its r/badmtgcombos levels of bad
With the new glimmer cat the reduces rooms down by 2 and if you reflection it the cost goes down by 4 for rooms
@@whenwhere6173small disclaimer that the double discount is only from hand not on field unlocking a room isn’t casting it, it’s activating an ability which the cat won’t discount it as an “ enchantment”.
Insect bard? 😂 Your mispronunciations are too funny Seth!
15:52 did anyone else hear Seth say “Sensual Elevator”
It’s gonna be a staple in the Strip Magic format
@jellywillreturn you joke, but I've unironically played strip mtg before. Lol
Grievous wound sounds like a perfect include in rush of the dead combo, to make it more consistent if you dont draw bloodletter
Hedge shredder + Herron crab + the one card that has you shuffle your graveyard into your library over and over. Or alternatively a commander deck with grolnok and this combo would be insane
Yeah Gaea's Blessing seems useful, but it's also possible it wrecks the combo. The blessing may force you to put a bunch of non land cards into your deck. Suddenly the self mill won't find as many lands and it fizzles.
But it would prevent you from decking yourself.
When I saw meathook massacre 2 from my friends I thought they saw a custom card and thought it was real but wow. It's real
How would Niko, Light of Hope work with Terror of the Peaks? Could you have it return to the battlefield before the two tokens become shards again?
"wreck Crim" "Wreck Phil" and yall wonder why Richard always wins the most
that Phantasmal image art.... it's sweet!
Like many people, I was skeptical of this set when it was revealed but I'm actually loving the style and theme. Innistrad is kinda hamstrung by its setting and need to follow the tribes so I like them trying out new horror stuff that wouldn't fit well there.
Black MDFC, Sacrifice, Fury, Red Card, Dark Ritual, Goblin Charbelcher...6 cards kill on turn 1 in Timeless. Bolt in land, Evoke Fury, Sacrifice with trigger on the stack gives 5 mana. Cast Dark Ritual up to 7 mana. Belcher and activate.
Meet hook Massacure 2 seems like a great card for 4 mana
Theif of blood just got a fun buff, as it removes counters on all creatures on Etb and gets +1/+1 for each it removes
51:30 no the surveil lands do not make verges enter untapped, verges ALWAYS enter untapped.
you rly have it this episode to put "tapped" on cards that doesnt have it on them xD
With the elevator/stairway room youd only need 4 individual cards if you have both halves active, as the two haves are treated as two separate names on the battlefield, so if there are low cost rooms it could be an easier alt win than it appears initially. Its in the rules preview for the mechanic on wizards website.
"We didn't make Grievous Wound a curse because curse are an Instrad thing" -WotC
We've literally already be there WotC ...
"Consider don't have surveil because surveil is a Ravnica/Dimir thing", proceed to errata consider one year later ...
Also The Meathook Massacre was also an Inistrad thing, plus Omenpath exist now.
Niko is going to be crazy mid-range that can pivot to control or aggro depending upon opening draw...Commander/Brawl is about to finally get a fun archetype to play against (not stuck in a slowly draining death for 25 turns or watch a player rope you 13 times per match while they durddle)
Verge's are better versions of tained lands from torment, which were pretty ok, they seem good and it is nice to see new rare 2 color lands that are playable and imaginative and have what...20 permutations available to us over future sets.
Its not that they refused to make Greivous Wound a curse, it that they didnt set out to make any curses, and Grevious Wound was initially designed as a rare showcasing a new mechanic for the set. That mechanic was cut from the set and the card redesigned, but the flavor and idea of the card remained and making it a curse wasnt really considered.
i think funeral room/awakening hall will be a good piece in standard for decks that wanna grind a game out, gain life to pad out until you can drop the 8 room and bring all the dorks you sacked off for life back
The Red Leyline is not acceptable imo
Its easily capable of killing turn 2 or 3 even with a single leyline. Two basically guarentees it.
Lets say the deck has a 30% win rate with scamp and the mouse right? Every single time you lose, especially on the draw to this because they had 1 or two leylines on turn 2 is going to feel like utter garbage.
It doesnt matter if the deck has a low win rate if every single loss to it feels like shit. Its no different from how tibalts trickery felt like garbage to lose to even if it didnt have the greatest win rate.
And god forbid it has a HIGH win rate.
Every single loss to a deck on turn 2 or 3 with this leyline is going to feel horrible. And even without it they can kill turn 3 easily aways.
Not to me tion, I believe with molten duplication it goes infinite? So you can just target scamp or the mouse and win off that right?
This card, even if it isnt ban worthy is going to lead to so many feels bad matches where you wonder why you even bothered to play at all.
Not an acceptable card imo.
I sincerely hope I am wrong though and nobody uses it because if I am right...its going to be horrible.
In Legacy and in a dream world, with one Leyline of Resonance, two Berserk, Two Invigorate, a Glistener Elf and two lands, it is a grand total of 272 infect damage on turn two.
A scamp hitting on turn two with thia can do over 68 damage and thats juat standard. What about pioneer with heroic? @@lorisbach9905
Where is this infinite combo? I really can’t find a line that does that.
That's what I was thinking. I smell a quick ban on this one. Standard for sure. Possibly eternal formats as well.
@@laurelkeeperidk about infinite combos but there’s
T1: Scamp, T2: +3, +3, self sac = 26
T1: Scamp, T2: +3, +2, self sac = 22
T1: Mouse, T2: +3, Fling = 24
T1: Scamp, T2: +3, Fling = 21
I basically built my own valley floodcaller deck with the cloning otter and convoke spells and it is glorious
Sacrifice with grief or solitude is giving you 4/5 mana turn one iys going to make the combo decks even more consistent, its a giant middle finger to dimir control.
A 3/2 flash that counters any spell is likely gonna be more than draft chaff. It depends on how creature heavy the format is of course, as if they aren’t putting a manifested creature in play this is real good value. But even if they are they still have to pay mana to flip it. God forbid theres a way to blink/copy it atInstant speed. Even if it ends up not getting there in standard its a classic Counter a horrifying spell in EDH make your opponent hate you less card.But given how much play spell queller saw I would be quite shocked is this “draft chaff” saw zero play. But fun vid as always this was the card i was most excited to hear thought on so might be why I am being sloghtly salty ; P
I hate the argument, "Dies to Doom Blade." Or "Dies to Go for the Throat." Guess what? So do most all other creatures.
I can't wait to add Hedge Shredder to my Glarb self-mill deck! 🤩
Double Monstrous Rage is +5/+1, creatures can only have 1 role at a time
Shardmage's Rescue is really similar to Royal Treatment, except it's an enchantment spell and in white
Grievous Wound might not be a curse but it's still an Aura, and therefore Eriette works for it... if only Eriette did damage instead of loss of life, that would make it an actual combo rather, ya it's an aura... weeee... If i get a Grevious Wound it's still probably gonna go my Eriette deck, cause hey, if I can a creature through, that's half their life, so suddenly those little 2/2 Pegasuses that are in the deck solely to make my enchantments cheaper, can become very dangerous.
I will totally be building around Grievous Wound.
Niko, in standard, work good with "Worldwalker Helm" and another blink stuff.
If you look at promising stairs there's a period at the end of that Upkeepability. So the winning is not on your upkeep. It's just when you have those 8 unlocked rooms.
Yup, it's a state based action, so you win instantly upon playing or unlocking to get an 8th unlocked door.
And he mentions "A lot of permanents" but you only need 4. Since it's counting unlocked doors, not the cards themselves. They do have to have different names though, that might be the trickier part, as you'll probably need to be a 4-5 color deck.
Victor Val goth is definitely going in my Erritte commander deck
Did you just read Grevious wound without realizing it’s also a 2 card combo with bloodletter of aclazotz? Half their life rounded up is redundancy that curves from bloodletter, which is kind of nice.
8:40 No that's not how that works, you'd draw 4 cards not 12. You'd have 2 copies of the thing because exiled the original, each activating twice via lifelink. It's 1 card draw per activation, it's not whenever you gain life, draw that many cards, any amount of life gain counts just counts as one event. Don't get me wrong that's still pretty good.
You actually draw 8 cards. You get a total of four separated life gain events, so it's four triggers per reaver, thus 8 cards.
you can do the Nekusar / Grievous wound thing in standard too with the new Razorkin Needlehead!!
If you exile Etali, Primal Conqueror with Ghost Vacuum, sacrifice Ghost Vacuum to its ability and create a 1/1 Etali token, couldn't you use its transform activated ability to turn it into the crazy back side? Obviously takes a lot of mana so maybe not practical, but just curious. Seems like that would work.
I love the horror film references here and there.
43:52 Grievous Wound reads “5 mana kill target player” in most mid-to-low power commander games to me. If you’re running it in a deck with some evasive creatures (like faeries) or god forbid a rakdos ping deck, it should not be difficult to reduce an opponent to a quarter of their health or lower the turn you play it, leaving them to be finished off by the other two players.
Ghost vacuum seems more of a Luigi's Mansion reference because the plane is a big mansion
Ghost vacuum is something to be excited about !!!
The room card that wins the game can do it in the spot there is a period before the next line of text so doesn't that mean as soon as you get 8 rooms you win that counts as a break in the text separating it into two different affects
When it comes to hedge shredder and crab... there's the crab from.... strixhaven block... think it's a 2 drop and works with snow lands.... it's a nice bridge to get to spelunking and the hedge shredder...just tossing that out there.....