I've never understood the logic of, this character doesn't have an X factor so they aren't as good as this other character. If that was true pretty much every fundamentalist character should be a mid tier at best. There's a reason why characters like Wolf, Palu, Lucina, etc. are still rated so highly since week one of the game even if they don't have great tournament results.
Palu has decent results. Lui$ just made top 3 at Don't park on the grass a few days ago and she's been doing decent at other events as well. Her results are definitely a tier above the other 2 characters.
That’s not really what he’s saying. He’s saying to be cream of the crop, top of the top, you need that X factor. Cloud (ngl I disagree with him here, I think limit is absolutely an X factor if you take his airspeed into account) and Fox are often considered top of the top, while having none of the X factor other top of the top characters have. That’s why he rates them at the same level of wolf and other high tier fundamentalists. It’s not that you aren’t good without it, but Ultimate and the meta absolutely requires you to have it to be considered top 5 or 10. He isn’t saying a character cant still be a high tier (not top tier) without it. He mentions examples because those characters offer something no one else can in their X factor, which is why he calls it “cheating,” and fundamentalists are, as the name implies, completely fundamental. They don’t do anything no one else can, they just do things very very well (which is why they’re still high tier)
I agree with him. It’s true that Fox can be super oppressive but as a Light fan, his matches make me super nervous. He trades 3 times and I’m like “uh oh, here we go”.
@@lowlink534 he can pressure shield safely with minimal effort like most characters but unlike most characters he is faster. Also, how do you punish a character that is so fast nearly all of his attacks have no lag. Back seat gaming doesn't make you good at the game.
@@thepunished8042He also dies to basically any 2 to 3 interactions against at top level... and he also dies instantly to any random hit in the steve matchup. There's a reason Light is the only fox and he has no results where steve isnt banned 😅
Tbf Marss Shulk opinion is based on his main having a losing MU vs him. Being outmashed by Hero, Seph and Min Min (while being outranged) means the character has some serious issues Also people just assumes he has the perfect resource for every situation. But like sometimes its on cool down. And the opponent knows when its on cool down as well
Unironically double jump armor is better than anything except probably float that he listed off because having diet shield manado on a double jump is broken so much that they basically had to remove a recovery option from yoshi to balance it out lol like imagine any character besides yoshi with double jump armor especially ones with bad recovery or disadvantage just being able to jump away that BROKEN
I main Sonic and I always will, he was bad in Brawl when I started but he’s been OP since. I’m not afraid to say it. I want changes for him but I love playing him too much to stop
I mean, he's a pro that beat Leo on majors, the people on the comments are... Elite sMASHERs at best, if he has trouble with a character, then this character is at least good, dontchu think buddy? Why do you even watch Marss then? I just don't get people like you, seriously
@IXland. Yeah but those guys have probably played thousands of tournament sets since smash ultimate came out and those are the only examples of them losing to those low tiers. That's like someone getting a 99 on the test and failing them for getting one question wrong
@@IXland.mac is hard to fight sometimes, idk what to tell you. he hits real hard and fast and runs real fast. if you’re not ready for some mac bs, you’re gonna blow up lol.
Low tier mains in pools should’ve been brought up for matchups in his Vars vid I feel like it’s something shulk really struggles with since a lot of mid players don’t know the matchup and get cheesed by drawing out his resources
Marss is spitting about Corrin and Bayo. They're just good. Not broken. And besides Fox, the other two top tiers who are a bit overrated are Sonic and Snake. Not so much tier placement but the amount of respect people give the characters.
Anyone who says zss isnt overrated go watch marss recent sets against top players. He has to put in so much work to get minimal damage, and just outplay the other person to have any chance of winning. Zss sux
My overrated take is probably diddy kong but I can’t say much because I don’t think I’ve ever played a good one (I’m not good either so I never match against good players online)
I think the Shotos are overrated, the fact that they get talked about interchangeably with Terry who has burst options, ridiculous priority and infinite super moves is absolutely insane to me
@danielgarcia-barnett7935 I disagree with all of them, but the main one I think has no chance of being overrated is pikachu. He talks about some of the weaknesses the characters have, and they are just straight up wrong, like him saying pikachu can't 0 to death, and cloud not having any bs and being next to yoshi. I just don't know how somebody can think critically about the game and come to the conclusions he is coming to.
@@smithclaxton3357 that’s fair, I hear what ur saying. I think there’s room for either of those characters to be poorly rated (lowkey I think pika is underrated, but that’s a different convo lol). Someone mentioned how spargo has been winning super hard with cloud this season, but Leo did the same with Byleth for more than a season. And Byleth is definitely worse than cloud. A player can just be so much more consistent, me thinks, than the rest of the player base. But tbh, the only change that id make is putting palu above him and thereby moving him down a slot lol
Honestly I think Pikachu is overrated only by/thanks to ESAM. Most people have put him around where he should be by this point in the game, and I think it's coming around for characters like Shulk as well
Imo the most overrated character is Kazuya. People are arguing whether we should ban this character while he doesn't have a single solo rep in SSBU top 50, and is probably like top 15~ish in the tier list.
Pythra is pretty unanimmously top 5 and literally nobody solo mains her... at all. I agree hes overrated but you cant discount riddles playing 90% Kazuya when Pythra gets ranked usually higher and is always just a pocket for like 10% max of peoples matchups
Kazuya is not an ideal solo pick because he has some borderline unwinnable matchups, but being very good in combination of other characters is still being very good. And he's also one of the characters who causes upsets the most often because he's terrifying in bracket.
Conclusion, Marss is too good for elite smash(who woulda fuckin guessed) so none of the “results” he produced actually don’t prove anything, shulk is overrated zss is broken, cloud is broken, fox is broken, and pikachu is slightly overrated
Mars why you such a kazuya hater 😂 where is he in the meta other than riddles be real bro! he gets shit on by every meta character. Even riddles is back to using way more terry. Kazuya is good but he’s not THAT good
Alice also has a Hurt win with his Kazuya. Raru recently went Kazuya against Rarikusu after losing to his Falco several times in a row, and it worked. Raki got 9th at Umebura Sp11, beating TamaP along the way, and 5th at some A tier. Skeleton defeated Kola and Zomba at Luminosity makes moves miami.
@Shrek2onVHS Surely it can't be that bad. His girlfriend's been cutting his hair, and it's been looking pretty fine so far. I guess we make mistakes sometimes.
@@DaeBayonetta bayo has top player reps in NA, Japan and EU. For a character to have that much sucess in all the big regions there has to be something there. She isnt exactly a fundies character either
Dude its crazy because fundamentally kazuya and luigi have so incredibly different but are compared because they both just have a consistent 0td off of grab (or literally any other move). I think luigi is underrated but dawg kazuya is a billion times better.
1. Steve 2. Ness 3. Bayonetta 4. Sora 5. Donkey Kong 6. Pyra/Mythra 7. All the Links 8. Ice Climbers 9. Kazuya These are all the characters that I think are super Overrated.
Shocker. Vars said his main is overrated. Who could've seen that coming?
Replace Vars with Marss and get a violently different reaction since youre a mega dick rider pretending to be based
didn’t even TRY to spell it right
As a old cloud main j do kinda agree, people just don’t know the match up
Honestly, I think he just loses enough as Cloud that his perspective is entirely based around that. Still, I think he might be a LITTLE insane.
@@Syrup-n3tcloud is one of the most played characters in tournament. No way most people don’t know the matchup.
Guy in the video: "Overrated characters can still be good. Shulk is my first pick"
Marss: "wtf no Shulk isn't bad"
@@amadeus.7436 he is still like a solid high tier
@benross9174 Yeah but Marss kinda missed the point
@@amadeus.7436 Dont disagree thats true
@@benross9174 I wasn't disagreeing
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I've never understood the logic of, this character doesn't have an X factor so they aren't as good as this other character. If that was true pretty much every fundamentalist character should be a mid tier at best. There's a reason why characters like Wolf, Palu, Lucina, etc. are still rated so highly since week one of the game even if they don't have great tournament results.
The "fundamentalist" characters had me rolling 😂🎉
Palu has decent results. Lui$ just made top 3 at Don't park on the grass a few days ago and she's been doing decent at other events as well. Her results are definitely a tier above the other 2 characters.
Yeah I'd argue that wall of bairs is its own x factor
Yeah, also he said that ignoring the fact that Cloud's limit exists...
That’s not really what he’s saying. He’s saying to be cream of the crop, top of the top, you need that X factor. Cloud (ngl I disagree with him here, I think limit is absolutely an X factor if you take his airspeed into account) and Fox are often considered top of the top, while having none of the X factor other top of the top characters have. That’s why he rates them at the same level of wolf and other high tier fundamentalists. It’s not that you aren’t good without it, but Ultimate and the meta absolutely requires you to have it to be considered top 5 or 10. He isn’t saying a character cant still be a high tier (not top tier) without it.
He mentions examples because those characters offer something no one else can in their X factor, which is why he calls it “cheating,” and fundamentalists are, as the name implies, completely fundamental. They don’t do anything no one else can, they just do things very very well (which is why they’re still high tier)
Cloud's cheating is his ridiculous range on aerials, like wtf are those hitboxes, they are DLC material
It's not really range but more the safety of them.
they are super easy to parry
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What is the Austrian painter from WW2 doing in the pikachu game 11:00
11:00 i don‘t think the mii is called bella…
Marss camping out Hitler is not what I expected to see in this video.
Yep…
nah this guy saying fox isn't oppressive like his vortexes don't have like 3 ways they can go and he can basically react to most options you do
I agree with him. It’s true that Fox can be super oppressive but as a Light fan, his matches make me super nervous. He trades 3 times and I’m like “uh oh, here we go”.
Fox isn't that great, you probably just don't know how to shield or punish 😂🎉
@@lowlink534 he can pressure shield safely with minimal effort like most characters but unlike most characters he is faster. Also, how do you punish a character that is so fast nearly all of his attacks have no lag. Back seat gaming doesn't make you good at the game.
@@thepunished8042He also dies to basically any 2 to 3 interactions against at top level... and he also dies instantly to any random hit in the steve matchup. There's a reason Light is the only fox and he has no results where steve isnt banned 😅
Fox is choose to lose
Tbf Marss Shulk opinion is based on his main having a losing MU vs him.
Being outmashed by Hero, Seph and Min Min (while being outranged) means the character has some serious issues
Also people just assumes he has the perfect resource for every situation. But like sometimes its on cool down. And the opponent knows when its on cool down as well
Shulk is ass. Akios just good. Same for kome.
@ He is like a solid high tier. He has a lot of really good strenghts he just has extreme flaws as well. Id say top 20
Shield Monado gets beaten by Kazuya too. If they can mash EWGF hard enough.
@ you can combobreak with Smash at early percents though. Its still a good MU for Shulk
Hero Seph and Min Min are DLC bruv, also losing to Seph and specially Hero is just a choice
That Amiibo in that Pikachu game 💀
3:30 Shulk with fast frame data would actually be broken. Like top 3.
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@ ???
I do always appreciate the tellius music Vars puts on his music
vars saying cloud overrated when spargo just won back to back majors with cloud is extremely bad timing with poor taste
I always thought he was kinda underrated at the beginning , idk about now
spargo's just built different
And how common he is. If you go to any local Cloud is gonna be there 100%
@ imo top 15 minimum, the thing that hurts him is losing to some weirdo characters like bowser, dk, and ridley
This could just mean that Spargo is underrated
Unironically double jump armor is better than anything except probably float that he listed off because having diet shield manado on a double jump is broken so much that they basically had to remove a recovery option from yoshi to balance it out lol like imagine any character besides yoshi with double jump armor especially ones with bad recovery or disadvantage just being able to jump away that BROKEN
@@shrimp258 Everyone in the Melee community agrees its broken. Its exactly the same mechanic in Ult
idk how vars can say that cloud doesn't have a limit factor when cloud literally has limit lol
If someone mains a top tier, they swear they're overrated, while if someone mains a low tier, they swear they're underrated.
I main Sonic and I always will, he was bad in Brawl when I started but he’s been OP since. I’m not afraid to say it. I want changes for him but I love playing him too much to stop
This just sounds like the guy doesn't like characters he has trouble with
I mean, he's a pro that beat Leo on majors, the people on the comments are... Elite sMASHERs at best, if he has trouble with a character, then this character is at least good, dontchu think buddy? Why do you even watch Marss then? I just don't get people like you, seriously
@@lowlink534I get what you’re saying but like Leo has said he struggles w Mac & Light LITERALLY LOST TO GANON are they good?
@IXland. Yeah but those guys have probably played thousands of tournament sets since smash ultimate came out and those are the only examples of them losing to those low tiers. That's like someone getting a 99 on the test and failing them for getting one question wrong
@@smithclaxton3357 If Leo says he STRUGGLES that means its a reoccurring thing
@@IXland.mac is hard to fight sometimes, idk what to tell you. he hits real hard and fast and runs real fast. if you’re not ready for some mac bs, you’re gonna blow up lol.
I love Vars’ channel but he is fighting tooth and nail to make his main not seem broken 😂
Low tier mains in pools should’ve been brought up for matchups in his Vars vid I feel like it’s something shulk really struggles with since a lot of mid players don’t know the matchup and get cheesed by drawing out his resources
10:23 brain dead edge guarding, proceeds to miss edge guard 😂
Although unrelated, I think yoshi is busted (I'm definitely not bad at the match-up)
I'm enjoying the marss evolution to south park character.
Marss is spitting about Corrin and Bayo. They're just good. Not broken. And besides Fox, the other two top tiers who are a bit overrated are Sonic and Snake. Not so much tier placement but the amount of respect people give the characters.
So what’s up with Bella’s mii Gunnar…
As a Shulk main he is overrated! Having your fastest option be frame 12 up b feels so awful. Buffs please!
Shulk up-b is frame 10 but I agree lol
frame 10 is pretty good for that size of a hit box and on top of that being reversible
11:02 we aint gonna talk about the mii??????
Anyone who says zss isnt overrated go watch marss recent sets against top players. He has to put in so much work to get minimal damage, and just outplay the other person to have any chance of winning. Zss sux
WHO IS PIKACHU FIGHTING AGAINST ???
Marsa just goes
"What are my bad match ups"
And then says those characters can't be overated.
like he did for fox, right? lol
The main problem with the list is that he’s thinking of the characters in a vacuum and not considering matchups at all
My overrated take is probably diddy kong but I can’t say much because I don’t think I’ve ever played a good one (I’m not good either so I never match against good players online)
shadic's more broken then his character
dude is like cloud is broken then next match just absolutely destroys one, whos broken now
Marss hat arc?
@@Novae69 Either his AC is wack or his hair is wack.
The same guy thinks Meta Knight has a better recovery than Pac-Man. He's free content, Marss 😭
Somewhere down the line this dudes content went from being ironic to being annoyingly bitter.
Vars and Marss are more alike than I realise
They rhyme, yes
I like this South American Andean Marss.
I think the Shotos are overrated, the fact that they get talked about interchangeably with Terry who has burst options, ridiculous priority and infinite super moves is absolutely insane to me
They are all shotos but Terry is DLC shoto if you feel me 😂🎉
Cloud doesn't have a bullshit mechanic… limit doesn't exist ig?
Just stall his time limit. It's really not that broken anymore
I mean the guy makes high quality videos ill give him tha, its just clear he does not watch the game or pay attention to who is good at the time
Which character that he listed do you think has no chance of being overrated?
@danielgarcia-barnett7935 I disagree with all of them, but the main one I think has no chance of being overrated is pikachu. He talks about some of the weaknesses the characters have, and they are just straight up wrong, like him saying pikachu can't 0 to death, and cloud not having any bs and being next to yoshi. I just don't know how somebody can think critically about the game and come to the conclusions he is coming to.
@@smithclaxton3357 that’s fair, I hear what ur saying. I think there’s room for either of those characters to be poorly rated (lowkey I think pika is underrated, but that’s a different convo lol).
Someone mentioned how spargo has been winning super hard with cloud this season, but Leo did the same with Byleth for more than a season. And Byleth is definitely worse than cloud. A player can just be so much more consistent, me thinks, than the rest of the player base. But tbh, the only change that id make is putting palu above him and thereby moving him down a slot lol
@@smithclaxton3357 but yea, I see your point and I mostly agree
Honestly I think Pikachu is overrated only by/thanks to ESAM. Most people have put him around where he should be by this point in the game, and I think it's coming around for characters like Shulk as well
Bayonetta is up there with toon link for one of the most annoying characters in the game
What is bro wearing 😭😭😭😭😭
Please donate to this man. He can't afford to feed his girlfriend or his heat bill.
ok guys like comment, anything - whever we have to do to pay marss' heating bill
Pikachu is overrated...They used to say he is Top 3....He isn't even top 7.
Imo the most overrated character is Kazuya.
People are arguing whether we should ban this character while he doesn't have a single solo rep in SSBU top 50, and is probably like top 15~ish in the tier list.
Pythra is pretty unanimmously top 5 and literally nobody solo mains her... at all. I agree hes overrated but you cant discount riddles playing 90% Kazuya when Pythra gets ranked usually higher and is always just a pocket for like 10% max of peoples matchups
Kazuya is not an ideal solo pick because he has some borderline unwinnable matchups, but being very good in combination of other characters is still being very good. And he's also one of the characters who causes upsets the most often because he's terrifying in bracket.
This a video about gannon?
Never heard the most influencing people from lol and gatcha community.
mfw the character i spend the most time with is overrated
Conclusion, Marss is too good for elite smash(who woulda fuckin guessed) so none of the “results” he produced actually don’t prove anything, shulk is overrated zss is broken, cloud is broken, fox is broken, and pikachu is slightly overrated
This man needs to be humbled
my mans is dripped the fuck out
nothing like a vars video to remind me that some people in the smash community have genuinely no idea what they’re talking about LMAO
You’re still using the “okbigguy” tag 😂 do you not remember your throne 2 performance😂😂😂
SH*LK WASN’T CENSORED??????
Can marss either choose a new main or shut up about it?
underrated next?
I’m gonna comment without watching the video first
Same
Byleth
How did the bot get firsr
Because... it's a computer... with computer reaction times?
@ us mashers need to do better
He said the s word throughout the whole video. Smh
interesting mii
Didn’t watch the video yet but the answer is Palutena
I noticed he's been using more and more tiktok language recently...
Lmao I was gonna say Roy
Marss is the opposite of sux❤
Mars why you such a kazuya hater 😂 where is he in the meta other than riddles be real bro! he gets shit on by every meta character. Even riddles is back to using way more terry. Kazuya is good but he’s not THAT good
Tea beat sparg0 2 times, lui$ and hurt with his Kazuya last month
Alice also has a Hurt win with his Kazuya. Raru recently went Kazuya against Rarikusu after losing to his Falco several times in a row, and it worked. Raki got 9th at Umebura Sp11, beating TamaP along the way, and 5th at some A tier. Skeleton defeated Kola and Zomba at Luminosity makes moves miami.
To be fair, Riddles is probably playing more Terry because he himself thinks Kazuya is B tier 💀
Take that hat off plsssssss😭😭
I think he got a bad haircut
@Shrek2onVHS damn
@Shrek2onVHS Surely it can't be that bad. His girlfriend's been cutting his hair, and it's been looking pretty fine so far. I guess we make mistakes sometimes.
@@wolfslayerepic4450 I really liked the hobo hair/beard
Shilk is bad
THANK YOU OMG. BAYO IS NOT THAT GOOD GUYS, LEARN THE MATCHUP😭
@@DaeBayonetta bayo has top player reps in NA, Japan and EU. For a character to have that much sucess in all the big regions there has to be something there. She isnt exactly a fundies character either
Bayo destroys both my mains so I dunno what opinion to have of her lol
We gonna talk about that Hitler mii
I think Kazuya is ridiculously overrated. Bro is a bit better than luigi so like low high tier. People keep telling me hes top 5 and that is LUDICROUS
A bit better than Luigi 😭😭😭
Dude its crazy because fundamentally kazuya and luigi have so incredibly different but are compared because they both just have a consistent 0td off of grab (or literally any other move). I think luigi is underrated but dawg kazuya is a billion times better.
Ngl people don't realize how fucked an 8frame jump squat is when everyone else has 3. You can't really tell when you're playing against it
i fr don’t get how people say luigi is better than kazuya bcuz like no that’s so wrong 💀
They have to be popular to be overrated , Kazuya is not popular
Day 43 zss cosplay PLEASE
3 overrated characters easy:
1. Sora
2. Falco
3. PaM
We say Pythra, we say Aegis, we never say PAM
@@Todozalegalize PAM
@@Feyntheviewernooooooo😭
@@Todoza Its better than Pythra. I respect PaM more than the garbage community name for the aegis.
Falco isn't top tier tho
Cloud is not top 20
1. Steve
2. Ness
3. Bayonetta
4. Sora
5. Donkey Kong
6. Pyra/Mythra
7. All the Links
8. Ice Climbers
9. Kazuya
These are all the characters that I think are super Overrated.
Steve is OP. Ness is underrated imo.
Link and icies are considered garbage though
Steve player, contrarion, or 100 hour player found.
@@liampbjray5562 steve is absolutely overrated simply bc people were saying he was banworthy which he clearly is not
@@eoincarey2817 he's been banned in multiple tournaments and pmlg is just straight up not allowed. He's about as close to ban worthy as you can get