My annoyance with the Erd Tree nom is that I absolutely believe there should be a DLC category, and Erd Tree should absolutely be winning it this year. Judging all DLC as games ensures DLC will never get the recognition they deserve.
If Erd Tree was standalone, I'd be fine with it. It would be judged as its own product. But Erd Tree is propped up by an entire 2022 game covering for any flaws that may have been apparent had it been standalone.
Everyone on the internet says “DLC should be in its own category” - what else would go in there? I mean, there’s maybe 1 dlc a year that is impressive enough to earn an award. MAYBE one
Just to name the biggest ones, and definitely not the only ones deserving of recognition: 2022 we would have had Cuphead's Last Course, Forza's awesome Hot Wheels expansion, and MH Sunbreak. 2023 had Phantom Liberty, Xenoblade, Burning Shores. This year would have been Erd Tree, Vessel of Hatred, Final Shape and Lake House. There's plenty DLC each year to justify a category, especially over some of the other categories.
@smeghead250 in other words 2022 had nothing, 2023 had phantom liberty and 2024 had shadow of the erdtree. There is dlc every year. There's rarely dlc that generates any discussion. Sure you could create a pointless category in which the winner will be blindingly obvious but that's not really solving anything.
having to play x hours of a game to even be able to get to the dlc in the first place should be reason enough for the dlc not to be eligible for goty. like you simply cannot play shadow of the erdtree without owning and playing elden ring first, so erdtree is not equal to a stand alone game, no matter the size or quality of it. give it its own dlc category or even straight up an honorary award or something idc but it’s not fair to the other nominees.
I think the closest comparison for Erdtree's situation in another medium would be Dune 2 winning Best Picture, then two years later releasing a director's cut that has an extra 90 minutes of movie, and that version being nominated for Best Picture. In both examples the new content is as long or "complete" as a standalone installment, but cannot be experienced outside the original product.
I think more weird situations and outliers will keep popping up as the industry attempts solutions to AAA bloat (erdtree, sonic x shadow, bowser's fury, mario kart 8 deluxe, etc), so I really like the side note about this whole process being imperfect and essentially new territory. It'll be cool to see how this all evolves in the future.
With all due respect, DLC/expansions are truly nothing new. There's nothing unique about Shadow Of The Erdtree's business model that wasn't true 10 or so years ago. Throwing a different game in with a remaster also isn't the same as Shadow Of The Erdtree which is more akin to a traditional expansion like The Witcher 3: Blood & Wine. You cannot play Erdtree without dozens of hours in the base game. They're inseparable. They're the same game.
A note on Haley’s comment about situations like SotE not happening at other awards shows-OJ: Made in America was released in episodes by ESPN but was nominated and won Best Documentary Feature at the Oscar’s. It was a bit controversial at the time and I believe the eligibility rules have since changed.
As someone who only played Shadow of the Erdtree among all the GOTY candidates (and liked it), I wouldn't have nominated it if it'd been up to me. It kinda feels like nepotism. Elden Ring already won GOTY, and most people at launch agreed the DLC is "more Elden Ring" with a few shifts in design principles. Maybe more importantly, I don't want to call something Game of the Year if it's not a standalone product.
yes exactly like if someone new to elden ring wanted to try it out they should have to play 40-60 hours of the base game just to unlock the dlc. If it was just it's own thing in the world of elden ring sure nominate it for goty, but the fact that this took a spot from something like say yakuza 8, prince of perisa, etc is pretty lame imho.
It's genuinely disrespectful to the new games which came out this year. I would be pissed at the behaviour of the FromSoft fans among the critics who thought this was okay
I think they should expand GOTY to 8-10 nominees like the Oscars. Saves it from being interchangable with Game Direction and also makes it more representative of the diversity of game genres instead of 4 RPGs and 1 indie
Most years it's just a competition between two games. Padding out the nominee list would probably be a bit pointless and make it less exciting when a game gets nominated.
Disagree. Being nominated should mean something and you don't want a situation where a game can win GOTY with a small percentage of the vote due to the vote being too split.
Exactly what I expected aside from wukong. I think it might be the lowest reviewed candidate in event history. I thought that spot would go to like a dragon.
DLCs can have more put into them than full games. Sometimes "new" games also use a shitload of existing assets, see anything made by Ryu Ga Gotoku which sometimes reuses entire areas, minigames and character models.
I think the rule that would make the most people happy is if DLCs were only eligible for categories the base game didn't already win. We all understand a good game from a couple years ago is probably still pretty good, so we don't need to double dip. That said the reaction online has been very funny, so I respect the pick.
It is a difficult discussion because, yes, Erdtree is phenomenal and deserves recognition, but there should have been a category already for expansions and dlc. It now feels like all the other games listed are overshadowed by previous GOTY Elden Ring. The nomination plays into the stereotype that the gaming press will do anything to prevent other genres such as card games, platformers, or (more traditional story focused) jrpgs from winning. Whether there is any truth to that, the more popular genre of action-rpg has won the game of the year at the TGA's more than any other genre. I think for a lot of people, they felt this year was the chance for a more overlooked thing they love could be recognised, and the Erdtree tree nomination kills that, hence the outrage.
My Only propblem with Erd Tree nomination is that you Can not play it stand alone. You Need to own Elden Ring to play it. It is nto a Complete game in of Itself.
Regarding Erdtree - to say something is worthy of GOTY because of the volume of content it adds doesn't feel right to me. I think a DLC needs to really shake up the gameplay loop, mechanics and world if it's gonna stand on its own two feet as distinctly a new nominee otherwise It's just winning based on pre-existing merits.
I don't like that a DLC is nominated, but Erdtree is huge. It's has more content as a $40 add-on than most full price games, including 3 of the other GOTY nominees. If it was available standalone, it wouldn't be questioned.
Geoff Keighley doesn't have a say in the nominees. It is outfits like IGN, Minnmax, Easy Allies, Skill Up, Kinda Funny (Greg Miller wilding on twitter defending Erdtree goty) etc who nominated a freaking DLC for GOTY. Having said that Geoff is still at fault for allowing this stupidity to even happen, just say no stupid DLC is allowed in the goty category and 99% of the public will agree that that restriction is reasonable.
@@pedroscoponi4905 Whatever you say. It's an Awards Show and a lot of developers including studio leads cry on stage because it means so much to them. Winning GOTY is definitely prestigious in the eyes of most studios.
Rebirth was amazing but had too much Ubi open world stuff in it to win GOTY. Balatro was amazing as well. I would have to lean towards Astro Bot though as that game was just perfect and the only game that I have ever platted which made me want to go back and plat playroom.
@@sherridavis2322 Why are you watching this video if you don't care. Also I care because the more attention brought to Astro Bot the better. Get more sales for these games so we get more of them. Also its fun to talk about.
You'd think they'd have added a DLC/Expansion category at this point since this has come up before. TW3 Blood and Wine won Best RPG in 2016, SF5: Arcade Edition got nominated for Best Fighting Game in 2018, MHW: Iceborne was nominated for Best RPG in 2019, Persona 5 Royal got nominated for Best RPG in 2020 after P5 won in 2017, etc. Given the rules as they are it makes sense, but I would rather have some other games in the GOTY or RPG slots over Erdtree (and maybe Game Direction and Art Direction). The bigger problem I saw was Multiversus getting nominated for Best Fighting Game AGAIN (it won in 2022) I assume because it was "rereleased" this year for no reason. That sets a HORRIBLE precedence for other games, not to mention obvious choices existed to fill its slot.
They’ve been doing goty for 10 years now. Only two were my personal picks (the Witcher 3 and botw) and two were high on my list (tlou part 2 and GoW). I just know I’ll almost always disagree with the goty pick. Heck, baldurs gate wasn’t even in my top 10 for 2023. Erdtree will win and I’ll complain cause dlc should not count. Especially when the base game already won goty. It’s not like the game wasn’t already recognized…
so a great VR game can't be nominated (Batman) for the best game of the year, but DLC can? This is insulting to the creators, I work in VR games myself and I know how much work has to be put into them, the average person does not realize how much work it costs to optimize all scenes and models so that such old meta quest 2 play 90 frames per second - because yes, that's how many frames it has to be displayed on headset so that people don't get nauseous, the lack of appreciation for such creators is a sad thing
I think a big reason, why we have yet to see a VR-game as a GotY nomination, is because for a large majority of players VR simply isn't part of their gaming experience. The medium is still held back by the money and available space required to play. It's a tough argument to make that a game, few people even had the ability to play, should be nominated ☁️
@caphine244 fair point, this means that the "best game of the year" is more of a popularity plebiscite than an actual indication of the best gaming experience of The year, whether known to a wide audience or not. It's a pity, because such exclusion further deepens the isolation of the VR market, which has a lot to offer but no one knows about it (in terms of price, headsets are more and more affordable, some much cheaper than PS5 pro)
@@David-uc6sg Sure but the nomination process itself is defined by the Game Awards. They can say that a DLC cannot be nominated for GOTY and have a separate category for expansions/DLC. This is actually a case where Geoff can be blamed for the Ongoing Game category not making sense for single player games so people feel the need to nominate DLCs for GOTY. lol. That's shortsightedness
Why discredit Shadow of the Erd Tree... because it WASN'T.... Elden Ring already won game of the year. SotE is part of Elden Ring. You can't play it without having played ER... literally, you have to have completed a very large chunk of ER to even be able to start it. How to put this... this is a gated expansion. This is not a GAME. Don't get me wrong... Elden Ring is one of the best games of all time. But I don't see the sense in trying to make DLC a game in it's own right. Edit - I think this is indicative of how games media doesn't reflect gamers now... I don't know any gamers that would call this a game in it's own right. Gamers WANT new games to be celebrated. And no... Phantom Liberty was not nominated for GoTY. It was on-going content (or whatever the category is).
Not sure why everyone gets so worked up about the Game Awards and takes them so seriously. Kinda just a fun dumb thing to watch each year, not worth getting angry at. I just like seeing the new announcements and celebrating each year of gaming as a whole.
Because it gives recognition to all the people behind the scenes who put years of their lives into these projects. It serves as vindication for all their efforts, especially when voted on by their peers. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out.
Well it’s a faithful remake of a game that itself isn’t a GOTY quality game. No hate to Silent Hill 2 but it didn’t win the year it came out it won’t this year.
I normally don’t care about game of the year or the awards but I was so excited for Rebirth. It felt like it had a high chance to win GOTY.. and then they change the rules to suck up to FromSoft. I hope Rebirth wins but it definitely feels unfair and feels like they’re catering to FromSoft. Elden Ring already won GOTY, so it’s extra unfair to change the rules for Erdtree. And to be honest, Erdtree was great but it was just more Elden Ring.. they gave us a few new weapons and abilities but it wasn’t like completely revolutionary. My feeling is that Elden Ring will win best direction and Rebirth will take home Game of the Year.. that’s my gut feeling at least.
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I wanted to play Erdtree but I can't access it because I'm still stuck at an earlier boss in the base game, lol. Could it be the first literally unplayable (to me) game to take the GOTY?
While I agree Erdtree is one of the best and richest experiences of the year, I don't think its size is a good argument for it being a GOTY nominee. It cuts both ways. By that logic, Balatro shouldn't be near that category. I wish DLC was its own category. Let new games have their time in the spotlight.
I would probably prefer a separate category but I have seen people put FFXIV expansions as their GOTY over the years which is pretty much the same thing
DLC shouldn't be in the GOTY category especially for Elden Ring cause the main game won last year. Its also a big slap in the face to not just the games on that list but to the games that could be on that list. If the DLC wins GOTY then this award show hit its peak last year and this is the start of the down fall.
Haley. You basically answered your own question. You ask why though and people are telling you it’s big enough. I agree with Hanson. This game is 30 hours on an average playthrough which is what MOST of us play under. It’s all NEW content. For the people who are wondering why if it’s the same game? If this came out as a different title and not DLC. People would be clamoring for it to be GOTY in the exact same manor but with less backlash.. it’s a very good DLC that is worthy of GOTY talks. Maybe not to win; even though it’s mine; but VERY much in the conversation. It’s a magnificent addition and basically half the size of an already large game that most people can’t get through the base Game like yourself. They added a different upgrade way to upgrade the character and …HELLO… DAN “THE FREAKING JACKET” TACK is credited in this! LFG!!!
I'm going to say something extremely controversial, but neiter DLCs nor Remakes should be GOTY contenders. DLC is not a game, it's a piece of game, it's a new content, but not a new game. Remakes ride on the success of the original, nothing story, lore and character wise is new there, it wasn't created from scratch, it's an update of something old. Instead of Rebirth and Erdtree there should be Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth and Dragon's Dogma 2.
can someone pls tell me what was so special about animal well. i beat it and thought it was literally just another atmospheric metroidvania. i think people just reallllly like dunkey
Depending on wether you played up to ending one or went further by unlocking ending 2 or even 3, your experience can differ a LOT. There are so many little secrets hidden in that game. Many people enjoy nothing more than getting to uncover those as a community ☁️
Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth and Dragon's Dogma 2 not being among GOTY (but DLC is) made me infinitely disappointed in TGA. Absolute trash. I'm sorry for harshness, but that's how I feel.
Shadow of the Erdtree was good enough to receive a Game of the Year nomination even though it requires ownership and mastery of another game to play. Maybe the other games this year should have been better 😂
Wukong is just a great game though? It being an international hit or not, not really sure why it wasn't covered. It was excellent by western or eastern standards
Minnmax can be so condescending. It's nauseating. If 99% of the people online disagree with Elden Ring DLC being nominated for GOTY, maybe it's not wise to be dismissive of the general consensus as people "always being angry" and "needing to calm down." This is why I stopped putting any stock into the opinions on this channel. Ben especially is all about trying to brush past any constructive criticism of anything for fear of sounding negative, which to me is a disservice to the gaming community at large. Without criticism, improvements cannot be made. Why be so dismissive of the DLC GOTY concerns? It boggles me.
Does anyone really care about the game awards? It's literally all that is wrong with the games industry, and only detracts from the medium I love. Don't support the game awards, think for yourself!
Good video. A-. Would have been higher if Ben didn't keep leaning in to his mic whispering, "oh, you like that (erdree qualities for GoTY nomination), don't you"? I'm here for the content but not all of it is PG appropriate for the subway unfortunately.
GotY is a dumb concept i simply dont agree with. My favorite games of the year are almost never new releases, its always a game thats from a previous year usually. I also play with my GF a lot and we play old stuff that's usually more enjoyable than anything current. Sad that GotY is more important to these people than just enjoying a good game. But yal need views, and i guess its fun to pick a game and champion it, so i get it, even if i think its juvenile and taints what i love about video games.
I'm going to give what could be possibly an unpopular opinion I understand Eldon ring conversation however you could technically say the same thing about Final Fantasy it's just one big game that they couldn't finish in one go so essentially it's similar to Eldon rings DLC if you think about it because Elgin ring with the DLC was huge felt like a completely another game just my opinion I'm more upset that Stellar Blade didn't make it into the game of year nomination.
I'm going to say something extremely controversial, but neiter DLCs nor Remakes should be GOTY contenders. DLC is not a game, it's a piece of game, it's a new content, but not a new game. Remakes ride on the success of the original, nothing story, lore and character wise is new there, it wasn't created from scratch, it's an update of something old. Instead of Rebirth and Erdtree there should be Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth and Dragon's Dogma 2.
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My annoyance with the Erd Tree nom is that I absolutely believe there should be a DLC category, and Erd Tree should absolutely be winning it this year. Judging all DLC as games ensures DLC will never get the recognition they deserve.
If Erd Tree was standalone, I'd be fine with it. It would be judged as its own product.
But Erd Tree is propped up by an entire 2022 game covering for any flaws that may have been apparent had it been standalone.
It'd be a pointless category. You get at most one noteworthy expansion a year.
Everyone on the internet says “DLC should be in its own category” - what else would go in there? I mean, there’s maybe 1 dlc a year that is impressive enough to earn an award. MAYBE one
Just to name the biggest ones, and definitely not the only ones deserving of recognition: 2022 we would have had Cuphead's Last Course, Forza's awesome Hot Wheels expansion, and MH Sunbreak. 2023 had Phantom Liberty, Xenoblade, Burning Shores. This year would have been Erd Tree, Vessel of Hatred, Final Shape and Lake House.
There's plenty DLC each year to justify a category, especially over some of the other categories.
@smeghead250 in other words 2022 had nothing, 2023 had phantom liberty and 2024 had shadow of the erdtree.
There is dlc every year. There's rarely dlc that generates any discussion. Sure you could create a pointless category in which the winner will be blindingly obvious but that's not really solving anything.
DLC should have its own category.
What’s the reasoning? Shadow of the Erdtree has more production value and work put in than most games released this year.
having to play x hours of a game to even be able to get to the dlc in the first place should be reason enough for the dlc not to be eligible for goty.
like you simply cannot play shadow of the erdtree without owning and playing elden ring first, so erdtree is not equal to a stand alone game, no matter the size or quality of it.
give it its own dlc category or even straight up an honorary award or something idc but it’s not fair to the other nominees.
I think the closest comparison for Erdtree's situation in another medium would be Dune 2 winning Best Picture, then two years later releasing a director's cut that has an extra 90 minutes of movie, and that version being nominated for Best Picture. In both examples the new content is as long or "complete" as a standalone installment, but cannot be experienced outside the original product.
I think more weird situations and outliers will keep popping up as the industry attempts solutions to AAA bloat (erdtree, sonic x shadow, bowser's fury, mario kart 8 deluxe, etc), so I really like the side note about this whole process being imperfect and essentially new territory. It'll be cool to see how this all evolves in the future.
It's been 10 years. It's not evolving any time soon.
With all due respect, DLC/expansions are truly nothing new. There's nothing unique about Shadow Of The Erdtree's business model that wasn't true 10 or so years ago.
Throwing a different game in with a remaster also isn't the same as Shadow Of The Erdtree which is more akin to a traditional expansion like The Witcher 3: Blood & Wine.
You cannot play Erdtree without dozens of hours in the base game. They're inseparable. They're the same game.
A note on Haley’s comment about situations like SotE not happening at other awards shows-OJ: Made in America was released in episodes by ESPN but was nominated and won Best Documentary Feature at the Oscar’s. It was a bit controversial at the time and I believe the eligibility rules have since changed.
As someone who only played Shadow of the Erdtree among all the GOTY candidates (and liked it), I wouldn't have nominated it if it'd been up to me. It kinda feels like nepotism. Elden Ring already won GOTY, and most people at launch agreed the DLC is "more Elden Ring" with a few shifts in design principles. Maybe more importantly, I don't want to call something Game of the Year if it's not a standalone product.
yes exactly like if someone new to elden ring wanted to try it out they should have to play 40-60 hours of the base game just to unlock the dlc. If it was just it's own thing in the world of elden ring sure nominate it for goty, but the fact that this took a spot from something like say yakuza 8, prince of perisa, etc is pretty lame imho.
It's genuinely disrespectful to the new games which came out this year. I would be pissed at the behaviour of the FromSoft fans among the critics who thought this was okay
I think they should expand GOTY to 8-10 nominees like the Oscars. Saves it from being interchangable with Game Direction and also makes it more representative of the diversity of game genres instead of 4 RPGs and 1 indie
i mean this was the year of rpgs so i think that it tracks.
Most years it's just a competition between two games. Padding out the nominee list would probably be a bit pointless and make it less exciting when a game gets nominated.
Disagree. Being nominated should mean something and you don't want a situation where a game can win GOTY with a small percentage of the vote due to the vote being too split.
Exactly what I expected aside from wukong. I think it might be the lowest reviewed candidate in event history. I thought that spot would go to like a dragon.
Animal Well is one of the best games I've played in years. I'm really surprised it wasn't nominated. Feels more fitting than a DLC.
DLCs can have more put into them than full games. Sometimes "new" games also use a shitload of existing assets, see anything made by Ryu Ga Gotoku which sometimes reuses entire areas, minigames and character models.
I would be happy with that.
I think the rule that would make the most people happy is if DLCs were only eligible for categories the base game didn't already win. We all understand a good game from a couple years ago is probably still pretty good, so we don't need to double dip. That said the reaction online has been very funny, so I respect the pick.
It is a difficult discussion because, yes, Erdtree is phenomenal and deserves recognition, but there should have been a category already for expansions and dlc.
It now feels like all the other games listed are overshadowed by previous GOTY Elden Ring.
The nomination plays into the stereotype that the gaming press will do anything to prevent other genres such as card games, platformers, or (more traditional story focused) jrpgs from winning. Whether there is any truth to that, the more popular genre of action-rpg has won the game of the year at the TGA's more than any other genre.
I think for a lot of people, they felt this year was the chance for a more overlooked thing they love could be recognised, and the Erdtree tree nomination kills that, hence the outrage.
Exactly. This year could have been a year for something else to shine and get attention, but now all the attention is on Elden Ring yet again.
I like it when the nominees are alittle funky and unexpected. It’s fun.
My Only propblem with Erd Tree nomination is that you Can not play it stand alone. You Need to own Elden Ring to play it. It is nto a Complete game in of Itself.
Astro for GOTY!
Regarding Erdtree - to say something is worthy of GOTY because of the volume of content it adds doesn't feel right to me. I think a DLC needs to really shake up the gameplay loop, mechanics and world if it's gonna stand on its own two feet as distinctly a new nominee otherwise It's just winning based on pre-existing merits.
I don't like that a DLC is nominated, but Erdtree is huge. It's has more content as a $40 add-on than most full price games, including 3 of the other GOTY nominees. If it was available standalone, it wouldn't be questioned.
Geoff Keighley doesn't have a say in the nominees.
It is outfits like IGN, Minnmax, Easy Allies, Skill Up, Kinda Funny (Greg Miller wilding on twitter defending Erdtree goty) etc who nominated a freaking DLC for GOTY.
Having said that Geoff is still at fault for allowing this stupidity to even happen, just say no stupid DLC is allowed in the goty category and 99% of the public will agree that that restriction is reasonable.
"Stupidity" remember that none of this matters
@@Magic7ball Games and art in general getting the recognition they deserve is a good thing.
@@idakev TGA =/= recognition. The Game Awards is _barely_ an award show, and recent years have only made that clearer.
@@pedroscoponi4905 Whatever you say. It's an Awards Show and a lot of developers including studio leads cry on stage because it means so much to them. Winning GOTY is definitely prestigious in the eyes of most studios.
@@pedroscoponi4905you’re wrong also being nominated and especially winning GOTY boost your game sales by a lot so it’s important
Rebirth was amazing but had too much Ubi open world stuff in it to win GOTY. Balatro was amazing as well. I would have to lean towards Astro Bot though as that game was just perfect and the only game that I have ever platted which made me want to go back and plat playroom.
Who cares about GotY? Just play games you enjoy and ignore all the noise.
@@sherridavis2322 Why are you watching this video if you don't care. Also I care because the more attention brought to Astro Bot the better. Get more sales for these games so we get more of them. Also its fun to talk about.
You'd think they'd have added a DLC/Expansion category at this point since this has come up before. TW3 Blood and Wine won Best RPG in 2016, SF5: Arcade Edition got nominated for Best Fighting Game in 2018, MHW: Iceborne was nominated for Best RPG in 2019, Persona 5 Royal got nominated for Best RPG in 2020 after P5 won in 2017, etc. Given the rules as they are it makes sense, but I would rather have some other games in the GOTY or RPG slots over Erdtree (and maybe Game Direction and Art Direction). The bigger problem I saw was Multiversus getting nominated for Best Fighting Game AGAIN (it won in 2022) I assume because it was "rereleased" this year for no reason. That sets a HORRIBLE precedence for other games, not to mention obvious choices existed to fill its slot.
They’ve been doing goty for 10 years now. Only two were my personal picks (the Witcher 3 and botw) and two were high on my list (tlou part 2 and GoW). I just know I’ll almost always disagree with the goty pick. Heck, baldurs gate wasn’t even in my top 10 for 2023.
Erdtree will win and I’ll complain cause dlc should not count. Especially when the base game already won goty. It’s not like the game wasn’t already recognized…
so a great VR game can't be nominated (Batman) for the best game of the year, but DLC can? This is insulting to the creators, I work in VR games myself and I know how much work has to be put into them, the average person does not realize how much work it costs to optimize all scenes and models so that such old meta quest 2 play 90 frames per second - because yes, that's how many frames it has to be displayed on headset so that people don't get nauseous, the lack of appreciation for such creators is a sad thing
I think a big reason, why we have yet to see a VR-game as a GotY nomination, is because for a large majority of players VR simply isn't part of their gaming experience. The medium is still held back by the money and available space required to play. It's a tough argument to make that a game, few people even had the ability to play, should be nominated ☁️
@caphine244 fair point, this means that the "best game of the year" is more of a popularity plebiscite than an actual indication of the best gaming experience of The year, whether known to a wide audience or not. It's a pity, because such exclusion further deepens the isolation of the VR market, which has a lot to offer but no one knows about it (in terms of price, headsets are more and more affordable, some much cheaper than PS5 pro)
A DLC shouldn't be eligible for "Game of the Year". Has Geoff lost it?
Geoff doesn't choose nominees.
they literally talked about the nomination process in this video
@@David-uc6sg Sure but the nomination process itself is defined by the Game Awards. They can say that a DLC cannot be nominated for GOTY and have a separate category for expansions/DLC.
This is actually a case where Geoff can be blamed for the Ongoing Game category not making sense for single player games so people feel the need to nominate DLCs for GOTY. lol. That's shortsightedness
@@idakev
Is it bigger than most games? Yes.
Is it better than most games? Yes.
I don’t know what to tell you, chief. 🤷🏼♂️
@@OfficialCrowMauler Simple question for you. Is it a game or a DLC?
For an example of a "DLC" Sandman had an extra episode or two added in after the Season released. That could count.
Great example!
Why discredit Shadow of the Erd Tree... because it WASN'T.... Elden Ring already won game of the year. SotE is part of Elden Ring. You can't play it without having played ER... literally, you have to have completed a very large chunk of ER to even be able to start it. How to put this... this is a gated expansion. This is not a GAME. Don't get me wrong... Elden Ring is one of the best games of all time. But I don't see the sense in trying to make DLC a game in it's own right.
Edit - I think this is indicative of how games media doesn't reflect gamers now... I don't know any gamers that would call this a game in it's own right. Gamers WANT new games to be celebrated. And no... Phantom Liberty was not nominated for GoTY. It was on-going content (or whatever the category is).
Not sure why everyone gets so worked up about the Game Awards and takes them so seriously. Kinda just a fun dumb thing to watch each year, not worth getting angry at. I just like seeing the new announcements and celebrating each year of gaming as a whole.
Because it gives recognition to all the people behind the scenes who put years of their lives into these projects. It serves as vindication for all their efforts, especially when voted on by their peers.
It doesn't take a genius to figure that out.
Witcher 3's Blood and Wine DLC beat out Dark Souls 3 in 2016! Just sayin
I think if a DLC is that impressive it should be allowed, same with remakes. SH2 should be in the GOTY noms.
not for GOTY only for RPG. 2016 Overwatch won game of the year.
I wonder if Silent Hill not getting Nominated for GOTY is because it's a Konami game
Well it’s a faithful remake of a game that itself isn’t a GOTY quality game. No hate to Silent Hill 2 but it didn’t win the year it came out it won’t this year.
I normally don’t care about game of the year or the awards but I was so excited for Rebirth. It felt like it had a high chance to win GOTY.. and then they change the rules to suck up to FromSoft. I hope Rebirth wins but it definitely feels unfair and feels like they’re catering to FromSoft. Elden Ring already won GOTY, so it’s extra unfair to change the rules for Erdtree. And to be honest, Erdtree was great but it was just more Elden Ring.. they gave us a few new weapons and abilities but it wasn’t like completely revolutionary. My feeling is that Elden Ring will win best direction and Rebirth will take home Game of the Year.. that’s my gut feeling at least.
if rebirth doesn't win goty, soundtrack, or rpg then there is so much pandering going on its not even funny.
Think the vote might be split between the JRPGs and the Souls-type games. Might give Astro Bot the win
@@Nekomaniaexcept Metaphor is markedly better in all three categories...
@nc630 tell me you replayed rebirth without saying it.
Ben, what is that version of Cool Cool Mountain that played over the promo at the end!? It sounds so plucky, I gotta hear the whole thing!
Hey, it's a cover we commissioned for a Holiday video back in like 2021? Here you go! ruclips.net/video/pftje9-Xz74/видео.htmlsi=AgmrW4AjLoXnoipF&t=3095
I definitely don’t care if DLC is nominated but personally didn’t think Erdtree was good enough to be in GoTY discussion
I wanted to play Erdtree but I can't access it because I'm still stuck at an earlier boss in the base game, lol. Could it be the first literally unplayable (to me) game to take the GOTY?
GTA V shark card for GOTY!
While I agree Erdtree is one of the best and richest experiences of the year, I don't think its size is a good argument for it being a GOTY nominee. It cuts both ways. By that logic, Balatro shouldn't be near that category. I wish DLC was its own category. Let new games have their time in the spotlight.
Shadow of the Erdtree is my favorite game experience this year and I dont think it should be nominated. Balatro has my vote!
Where is the best Microtransaction category?
what's next, a skin DLC is eligible for GOTY as well? If people are allowed to vote for it and people will absolutely vote for it
I would probably prefer a separate category but I have seen people put FFXIV expansions as their GOTY over the years which is pretty much the same thing
Expected Nine Sols to get zero mention and was unfortunately correct. At least Neva got a bunch.
DLC shouldn't be in the GOTY category especially for Elden Ring cause the main game won last year.
Its also a big slap in the face to not just the games on that list but to the games that could be on that list.
If the DLC wins GOTY then this award show hit its peak last year and this is the start of the down fall.
Haley. You basically answered your own question. You ask why though and people are telling you it’s big enough. I agree with Hanson. This game is 30 hours on an average playthrough which is what MOST of us play under. It’s all NEW content. For the people who are wondering why if it’s the same game? If this came out as a different title and not DLC. People would be clamoring for it to be GOTY in the exact same manor but with less backlash.. it’s a very good DLC that is worthy of GOTY talks. Maybe not to win; even though it’s mine; but VERY much in the conversation. It’s a magnificent addition and basically half the size of an already large game that most people can’t get through the base
Game like yourself. They added a different upgrade way to upgrade the character and …HELLO… DAN “THE FREAKING JACKET” TACK is credited in this! LFG!!!
I'm going to say something extremely controversial, but neiter DLCs nor Remakes should be GOTY contenders. DLC is not a game, it's a piece of game, it's a new content, but not a new game. Remakes ride on the success of the original, nothing story, lore and character wise is new there, it wasn't created from scratch, it's an update of something old. Instead of Rebirth and Erdtree there should be Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth and Dragon's Dogma 2.
My opinion, call the video “a breakdown” and not a “reaction video”, if you’re not going to live react to the announcement video.
I'm torn between Rebirth & Metaphor, they're both realy great
can someone pls tell me what was so special about animal well. i beat it and thought it was literally just another atmospheric metroidvania. i think people just reallllly like dunkey
Depending on wether you played up to ending one or went further by unlocking ending 2 or even 3, your experience can differ a LOT.
There are so many little secrets hidden in that game. Many people enjoy nothing more than getting to uncover those as a community ☁️
Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth and Dragon's Dogma 2 not being among GOTY (but DLC is) made me infinitely disappointed in TGA. Absolute trash. I'm sorry for harshness, but that's how I feel.
Shadow of the Erdtree was good enough to receive a Game of the Year nomination even though it requires ownership and mastery of another game to play.
Maybe the other games this year should have been better 😂
Wukong is just a great game though? It being an international hit or not, not really sure why it wasn't covered. It was excellent by western or eastern standards
It is the lowest reviewed GOTY nomination The Game Awards has ever had, though. Its sales really are the reason it's in the conversation.
That game had some of the most broken level design and shallow combat i've seen in a while. It thrived on presentation and boss fights really.
I personally thought Stellar Blade was much better
Easily the most surprising pick based on the review score.
Elden Ring DLC? Are you crazy Geoff
Slight clarification: Geoff didn't pick Elden Ring DLC as a nominee. That was the 135 or so games media outlets that make up the voting jury.
@brandonwoodward9515 Geoff allowed it, and therefore shall pay for his crimes
@ronsil6815 Lol. Fair point. I just wanted to clarify he didn't put it there.
Minnmax can be so condescending. It's nauseating.
If 99% of the people online disagree with Elden Ring DLC being nominated for GOTY, maybe it's not wise to be dismissive of the general consensus as people "always being angry" and "needing to calm down."
This is why I stopped putting any stock into the opinions on this channel. Ben especially is all about trying to brush past any constructive criticism of anything for fear of sounding negative, which to me is a disservice to the gaming community at large. Without criticism, improvements cannot be made. Why be so dismissive of the DLC GOTY concerns? It boggles me.
Does anyone really care about the game awards? It's literally all that is wrong with the games industry, and only detracts from the medium I love. Don't support the game awards, think for yourself!
Good video. A-. Would have been higher if Ben didn't keep leaning in to his mic whispering, "oh, you like that (erdree qualities for GoTY nomination), don't you"?
I'm here for the content but not all of it is PG appropriate for the subway unfortunately.
Algo
If an expansion has the chops to win the most prestigious gaming award then let it roll man. Getting caught up in semantics is so lame.
GotY is a dumb concept i simply dont agree with. My favorite games of the year are almost never new releases, its always a game thats from a previous year usually. I also play with my GF a lot and we play old stuff that's usually more enjoyable than anything current.
Sad that GotY is more important to these people than just enjoying a good game. But yal need views, and i guess its fun to pick a game and champion it, so i get it, even if i think its juvenile and taints what i love about video games.
What a stupid take. My IQ went down 5 points after reading that.
I'm going to give what could be possibly an unpopular opinion I understand Eldon ring conversation however you could technically say the same thing about Final Fantasy it's just one big game that they couldn't finish in one go so essentially it's similar to Eldon rings DLC if you think about it because Elgin ring with the DLC was huge felt like a completely another game just my opinion I'm more upset that Stellar Blade didn't make it into the game of year nomination.
Erdtree transcended the term DLC
Watching some distracted guy try to guess the nominations is not what I wanted 🫠
I'm going to say something extremely controversial, but neiter DLCs nor Remakes should be GOTY contenders. DLC is not a game, it's a piece of game, it's a new content, but not a new game. Remakes ride on the success of the original, nothing story, lore and character wise is new there, it wasn't created from scratch, it's an update of something old. Instead of Rebirth and Erdtree there should be Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth and Dragon's Dogma 2.