2024 Toyota RAV4 Prime vs Hyundai IONIQ 5 - The King of PHEV/EV's?
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- Опубликовано: 27 май 2024
- A couple of years ago when we were in the market to replace our Toyota Highlander hybrid we were seriously looking at the Toyota RAV4 Prime as well as the new Hyundai IONIQ 5 EV.
The prime really seem to take all the boxes for us including a good midsize cabin, I tried and true hybrid system and of course one of the best plug-in hybrid systems out there with a pretty decent EV only range. Top of that you would still get some government EV rebates for a PHEV plus the bonus is of great parking spots and access to HOV lanes with a single occupant. We were ready to buy one however there was one big issue - availability. With some people waiting 2 to 3 years for their RAV4 prime we were able to secure a new Hyundai IONIQ 5 which would be our very first EV.
Fast forward a couple of years and it's hard to even imagine not driving an electric car. The transition has been seamless and we have had zero regrets with our decision however the RAV4 prime really does have a lot of merit to it. Essentially you do get your cake and then you get to eat it with the RAV4 prime in that you experience EV driving without the compromise of range or charging ability making it pretty well perfect for everyone. 
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PRIME wins when it comes to depreciation. When it's time for a new vehicle the difference will be significant. Love my 2024 XSE. I have had it for 6 weeks now and I am still driving around with the gas the dealer supplied. Just under 3\4 of a tank left.
We had a very similar experience in early 2022. We had been waiting for almost a year for a RAV4 Prime before test driving an Ioniq 5. We bought the Ioniq 5 and have been very happy with the results. Honestly range anxiety has not been an issue for us. I can see that some people may need to regularly road trip in areas with limited public chargers and PHEV makes sense. For us 90% of our charging is at home. Easier and much cheaper than either fast charging or a gas station.
Yup sounds like youre in the same boat as us. Home charging / no issues
Love the twin brother video creation!!
We have both 2021 Prime XSE and 2023 EV6 GT Line so we can relate to contents of the video. Both great cars. We live in Burnaby and with wife's daily use, the Prime really is a full electric vehicle since all day commute is rarely over the 90km range. Family outing we take the EV6 and longer trips we would take the Prime. Great combo.
Here's a question, if you are headed out together just for everyday errands, which car do you take? Do you still prefer the full BEV over the PHEV?
@@EverydayReviews2022 we take the EV6 for everyday errands (since I'll be driving). It's more roomy inside and the kiddos prefer it. If wife drives, she prefer the Prime since it's higher up.
Great 2 car package. If we only had option for 1 car, then Prime would be the choice. More flexibility and well, it's a Toyota
Greetings from oakville Ontario thanks for the presentation and I'm enjoying my mitsubishi outlander phev because of the toyota RAV4 prime has a much longer wait list the mitsubishi had zero 😊
Exactly. I remember people asking me which one was better and at the time I said it really didn’t matter if the Prime was even light years better if you coolant get it.
Excellent video! Thank you! I acutually just reserved a RAV4 Prime XSE with the tech package. But there’s one thing that’s really making me hesitate with the RAV4. It’s a very popular car for thieves. In my area someone got his stolen 3 times in a short period of time (RAV4, not necessarily a PRIME). So I think another point to mention is because of that, insurance cost will be high.
What other PHEV would you recommend for a family of 4?
Thank you
Yeah theft seems to be a problem everywhere but wasn't aware the RAV4 was being targeted more. The Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV is another great option especially if you want a standard third row (for small kids) and some additional available luxuries like quilted leather massaging seats. The PHEv system doesn't operate quite as much on pure EV like the Prime but that's not entorirty bad as it keeps the gas engine lubricated with regular use. On the more premium side, I just tested the Mercedes GLE450e PHEV and it is very very good. It ticks all the boxes other than the price. I've also heard the BMW X5 PHEV is even better but I haven't tried taht one yet.
Yes, here in eastern Canada the RAV4 and the Highlander are getting stolen very often. Some big insurance companies even refuse to insure the car depending on the neighbourhood you live.
I looked at the Outlander PHEV and read that the car can purposely not start or charge in extreme cold weather in order to prevent the battery from getting damaged. It happened to many people here so for me, as of now, the car is not really made for our winter conditions. Hopefully they’ll fix that soon. Anyway thank you for your recommandations :) Been following your work for a while now and really like your reviews. Keep up the good work :)
Great review Brian, I would have thought the Rav 4 prime would be a good car to compare to Outlander PHEV, they seem to be closer match up.
I think the 2025 Ioniq5 is the version that should have been released from day 1, too bad it’s taken 3 yrs to fix what’s missing from the present model I5
Agreed. I'd love to know how they compare in Brian's opinion, as he's been very positive on the Outlander.
Would be a good comparison for sure. Outlander PHEV wasn’t out yet when we bought our I5. Outlander is a great vehicle if you want a more premium. interior, extra features and a standard third row for kids but the RAV4 Prime is a better suited PHEV system if you really want that always be in EV experience and also more power. Outlander PHEV is also much easier to get then the Prime.
I was in Thailand last month and met a chap who has the Great Wall Motors PHEV, it’s a 1.5 turbo 4 cylinder engine and the range in EV only was 200 kms, could see the size of the battery but must have been around 30 kWh.
He chose this SUV as the drive upto Bangkok, can’t rely on DCFC infrastructure. The car has level 1,2 & 3 charging, like the Outlander PHEV
He let me drive it and it was a smooth ride & quiet in all 3 modes, EV, gas and both.
My wife loves her Prime. She plugs it in religiously and hardly ever use gas. I do think it is noisy on the highway (even in EV mode). When the engine kicks on after battery depletion, it is very loud. We have a 2021. Not sure if the tech has improved because in my opinion, it seems dated.
Only waited 1 year for my black RAV4 Prime XSE tech package (2024). Location is Vancouver dealership.
My friend ordered from Westminster Toyota. She even sent me her order sheet. It’s crazy it’s been years.
Whatever your thoughts on the hyundai ioniq9 just saw it on RUclips mentioned that it will be built in the Alabama plant
It should have some similarities with the Kia EV9
Does the Rav 4 battery operate the same as a BEV in cold temps in the sense that the electric range is decently reduced?
Like all BEVs, range is always reduced. It depends on how cold it is though. On average usually about 20%
@@EverydayReviews2022 Okay. Was trying to decide between this and the VW ID 4. I plan to be mostly in electric mode. Living in a colder climate if that is my goal though, I'm thinking I should go BEV. 20% off of 40 miles might be a little too low even for my standard commute. Thanks!
Do you plan on doing long road trips often? Do you have access or the ability to install an L2 charger? We rarely road trip and we charge at home so the I5 works so well for us. If your daily commute is around 50kms you could use the Prime almost exclusively in EV mode.
The short answer is YES. All Li-on have problems with the cold.
I really like it when your wife is in your reviews
You forgot to mention that the prime can charge the battery while you drive using the gas engine. At least that's what I've hearing. Is that true?
I think pretty much every PHEV crossover can do it.
It is not very efficient, though, since it forces the ICE to be on continuously, thus negatively affecting the mpg's.
I’m looking for a prime, what can I do
Have you checked with your local dealer?
How long does the battery last in the RAV4, charging it to 100% and running it all the way down everytime?
It’s a pretty robust Nimh battery. They’ve been using them for many many years so tried and true.
@@EverydayReviews2022 Thanks
@@EverydayReviews2022 Again, No Nimh. Li-on only now. Toyota gives 10 years 150K miles warranty on the battery. I am sure it will last much longer. The biggest problem is to keep the battery filter clean. Primes now also cooled so the battery will last a very long time.
Toyota doesn't let the Prime charge to 100% or discharge all the way. When it says it's 100% charged, it's actually more like 85%. When it says it's fully discharged, it's really 20-30%. So you can charge to what's called full and run it down until there's no more EV range all the time without concern.
@@jrmaxwell4504 Actually charging to FULL is more than 90%. 18.1 KWh - 10%= 16.9 KWh. Then usable battery is 14.5 KWh. So 16.9-14.5= 2.4 Kwh or about 13%. That is actually more than the Hybrid battery at 1.8Kwh.
Let's not forget resale value. The Japanese-made Prime wins hands down. Ioniq 5s can be had all over town now as used cars. No Primes though. Also, in an accident, the Hyundai will most likely be written off before the Prime would be. Neither vehicle is particularly good looking either.
How was the ride quality of the I5 vs the Prime? Also did you feel like the Prime was lacking in power compared to the Ioniq? Which is quieter inside?
Id' say the I5 has a more quiet and refined ride and acceleration goes to the I5 hands down. The I5 really drives more like a car whereas the Prime is taller and has that SUV type of ride.
Why compare a BEV with a PHEV? Should have compared the ioniq5 with the BZwhatever.
Because these were the 2 vehicles we weee going to buy. That’s all
It would be no contest btw with the BZ4X. Ioniq 5 wins that battle easily.
You think you are going to save gas on Hyundai but you don't think about battery electric for the Hyundai how much will cost but the hybrid battery for the rav4 prime will cost a lot less expensive than the Hyundai electric battery i owned a venza hybrid 2022 but I save a lot of money on the pump remember toyota reliability resale value thanks for sharing your video
The battery is warrantied for 100,000 miles. Plus, you save a lot of money on maintenance. A PHEV has the same maintenance schedule as a regular vehicle. With EV's - other than changing cabin filters and tire rotation, there is not much else to do. For example, for the Ioniq 5 the first service is at 36,000 miles (low conductivity coolant replacement).
Rav4 has Ioniq 5 price but only 42 miles of electric range and AC only. thats why PHEVs are a niche here in europe
Even in Europe if you are smart and know how to drive Prime would be great. I live in the hilly area. Every time I encounter a small hill I turn the HV mode on. On the way down I turn back to EV. So I use a little gas to supplement EV driving. This way I get way more than 42 EV miles because the battery is getting recharged on the way down. HV is not as sensitive to the hills as EV. 10 gallons lasts me more than 3 months. In fact yesterday I drove 80 miles in HV just to burn some gas so it doesn't go stale because I supposed to go on a long trip last month but it was raining and I did not go. Otherwise I go on the long trips all the time and burn the gas. Prime has also a self charging system where I can burn gas in to electricity. Again, it needs to be used smart. I only use it on the downhill. I get about 1.5 miles of EV range for every 1 mile driven. I think Toyota HIT THE BALL OUT OF THE PARK with Prime.
This is why any review of the EV needs to be taken with the grain of salt.
Ionic 5 loses to Prime because it is a hurdle to charge on the long trips even though it charges fast. 10-80% in 15 minutes fine but that is only 150 miles or less. Total range for SEL on freeway is 210 miles for AWD. So basically you would have to exit freeway, find a working charger, charge it hopefully at a fast speed if it works, and get back on freeway every 150 MILES. Pathetic!!!!! On top of that Prime is automatically AWD. To get to AWD on Ionic 5 you need to go to N line or Limited and now it becomes way more expensive than Prime. And you still get double the range on Prime. I own Prime and I drove 560 miles on 12.8 gallons.
Finally charging on a fast public charger is more expensive than gas. Prime wins hands down.
One important thing you neglected to discuss is depreciation which materially impacts your overall cost to own. I believe the Toyota wins that by a mile
You’re correct. We sold our Highlander at a high time and did pretty good with it. We do have some additional residual built in with the IONIQ as it gets an and it one grand more in rebates and earlier it was even more.
Ev is getting better and better. Just saw the ev gmc and Silverado pick up. Rav 4 looks old now adays.. toyota as always boring interior. Ioniq or Hyundai is getting better and better. Nobody wants and an ice engine in the future. Engine oil, coolant, differential oil, transmission fluid fluid etc are just a mess. Even timing belt will come at an expensive cost.i dont use wiper with my old cars. I just use digital mirrors.. any weather condition is good. Just wipe it the camera.
Two Brian's are too much just 1 is enough and AI is not working out too confusing
My answer is simple for me
Rav just bc its suv(taller)❤