I went to Octane academy and had similar thoughts. The fiesta you could just thrash and not worry about screwing up. The focus was a bit to fast to get away with that. Good thing I bough the focus :)
Cool video David! I like both the Fiesta ST and the FocusST. The Fiesta because it's such a fun car to drive, even though it doesn't have a lot of power like the Focus ST. The Focus is so much quicker and you're right about it being "torquey"(can't think of a better word right now).
I know you're disappointed in the amount of views on this, but I absolutely love track videos like this! They look like so much fun! You're awesome David! Don't get discouraged!
I ended up getting the FiST after testing driving both. Buy a Cobb AP for $500 & you're golden. If you're worried about warranty, Mountune has a AP thru Ford Performance. I liked the FoST...I fell in love with the FiST. Both are great cars in their own ways. Heading to Octane this May! So fricken excited! Can't wait!
Also, if you're having understeer issues on apex's with the FoST, remember that FWD cars like the FoST have great lift-off-oversteer characteristics. You can plow these things into corners, lift, apex, and gas out pretty well.
True, it really just depends what you want The fiesta is about 20 and focus about 25 I believe , so yea if you go camping and biking and want fun, then Id totally go with the focus ST
I was trying to decide between the two a couple of years ago, but I was able to get my Focus ST for about the same price/cheaper as a loaded Fiesta ST. Haven't regretted it since.
SavagePavich i paid just under 20k for a focus se hatch not as awesome as the ST or RS but still got it for 5k less then advertised. They ask more for the hatch version i had to have the hatch cause i love the focus in hatch
The bread and butter of this channel has always been reviews, car lifestyle, parts installs, vlogs and recently the 240 build. While I'm sure many of the trips and things you participate in are really fun in person they make for incredibly boring videos. No hate at all, just something to consider when weighing how to use the limited time you have and for the overall growth of the channel.
8:33 Oh, noes, David! You cursed and now every 12 year old will get angry at you for cussing! Oh my lawd! Great video as usual, keep up the great work!
I would like to say a few words about David's camera mount now... It was a simple mount, didn't care much for the fancier things in life, more than anything it was reliable, the kinda hardware you want when it's your camera on the line. Now as we lay this beautiful piece of equipment to rest, I would like us all to ctrl+alt+del so we can be with it always...
The Focus ST has more room for both cargo and people, the same or better skidpad numbers (handling), better rear suspension, more power, is faster on the track and the street, and is the better car. I test drove both cars and there was no comparison, the Focus wins hands down. FiST's are nice cars and lots of fun, but the Focus is better.
FullTimePRO it wont corner better than the fiesta st period. Its 200kg heavier. Theres a reason the fiesta is used for autocross and not the porky focus...
That "oversteer, understeer, oversteer" moment is the car rotating with the back end. It's a little scary at first, but you get used to it after a bit and come to expect it. It sucks when you don't understand it though, because you start correcting in the middle of a rotation on track or AutoX course because you feel like you're about to slide.
Having done Octane Academy and owned a FIST which I've driven hard on some canyon roads, I personally thought the Focus handled better on track. It's a much faster car and it felt much more stable. I found it easier to push hard in, it just felt more confidence inspiring to me. The Fiesta constantly wants to dance and slide around, which makes it a much more fun car to drive on the street IMO. That and the fact you can use almost 100% the power all the time. I was amazed the Focus handled as well as it did though. It's about 500 pounds heavier, but it does have independent rear suspension. IMO the Fiesta ST is sharper, the driving position is a bit better, everything just feels a bit more dialed in. So for canyons, street use, and probably auto X, it's the better/more fun car. On the track, however, I'd rather have the FOST.
I really want a Focus St. A guy comes into my work all the time, it's white, slammed on te37's (may be reps) and water/meth injection and bigger turbo, it's a beast.
Less bitching, more driving David! You will know when the car isnt happy -- have faith! Throw it into a corner and just feel it out, no sense in being worried the whole time! :)
Agreed, the "problem" with the focus to me seems lack of driver confidence due to all the power to front wheels, but she turns in baby. Just push her she can take it.
jmsena You are 100% correct. Car needs an adjustment in the driver's seat -- which is nothing to be ashamed of when you're learning! Not too many people even have the balls to strap into a racecar!
you are my favourite channel cause you race and do stuff for your veaiwers but my buddies vehicle just got stolen tonight (2014 chev 1500) and it hurst us both because hes taking my 078 mustang to work tomorrow
Hey David, I was wondering if you are planning on going to Hot August nights here in Reno NV a big classic car show with multiple locations around the city. I think you would be able to get lots of different footage of classic muscle cars, and classic cars in general, which is something you don't have much of on your channel.
You're turning into the corner is way too early. the best thing for you would be to have a competent driver in the passenger seat telling you what to do. So what do you like better the focus or the fiesta I bought a fiesta because I find it much more exciting to drive it handles like a go kart, and also because it was only $18,900 with 580 miles on it with a $26,500 MSRP. Smoken deal.
The ST dilemma: You have the money for a Focus ST but you could also get a Fiesta ST and chuck in the rest of the change to make it faster...which do you get?
I can't tell if that noise is the focus or mustang, but what exhaust is on the car David? I'm an owner of a Focus ST and am trying to find an exhaust which doesn't sound too bad
Mbrp is what I run deep/throaty the best imo, roush is decent, Borla is ricey, Cobb/frpp is kind of ricey when you get on it, milltek is really good, the others are ok. Honestly if you got a good exhaust shop and $400 custom exhaust is another option
500lbs heavier, 2.0L 50HP+ more HP stock, 70 QT+ more stock, ofcourse its faster, but the Fiesta is alot more fun. Bunch of my friends have the Focus ST, I have the Fiesta ST. Anyways, I prefer out driving them with the lesser car.
David I need your help, or anyone really! Recently someone decided to hit my Jeep Wrangler and it has been totaled. Now I'm looking into a mazdaspeed 3 or focus st. If anyone could give some opinions towards both that would be great! Thanks
Sorry that these videos didn't do that well hopefully it was just because of tilting and thumb nail and the content wasn't frowned apome because it wasn't a review video Adam lz track day videos do well try his way of filming and stuff so we can see your progress.
Seen eg hatches run 9 sec 1/4, seen trucks run 8sec, gtr does 0-60 in 2.9 what's you're point? Or you just trying to make your self fell better about your 21 Year old stock car?
+Tom B lol not like a nascar kind of "stock car" XD though that would be pretty sweet lmao and nah the guy who owns the ST is a cool guy just thought it was funny someone with a car so new it still had the dealer tag was tryna show off and race and couldn't hang
The last 3 videos have all been a lot of similar content. I honestly stopped watching the last one part way through which is totally unlike me on this channel. I really miss the reviews.
I went to Octane academy and had similar thoughts. The fiesta you could just thrash and not worry about screwing up. The focus was a bit to fast to get away with that. Good thing I bough the focus :)
Thanks for watching guys! What is your favorite? The focus or fiesta?
Cool video David! I like both the Fiesta ST and the FocusST. The Fiesta because it's such a fun car to drive, even though it doesn't have a lot of power like the Focus ST. The Focus is so much quicker and you're right about it being "torquey"(can't think of a better word right now).
focus
7:11 "i can't even talk i'm too focus" litteraly.
FiST! cuz its smaller and looks better to me
Focus RS
I know you're disappointed in the amount of views on this, but I absolutely love track videos like this! They look like so much fun! You're awesome David! Don't get discouraged!
Just as a heads up, you can easily correct the understeer mid-corner by lifting off the throttle and bringing the tail around a touch.
I ended up getting the FiST after testing driving both. Buy a Cobb AP for $500 & you're golden. If you're worried about warranty, Mountune has a AP thru Ford Performance. I liked the FoST...I fell in love with the FiST. Both are great cars in their own ways.
Heading to Octane this May! So fricken excited! Can't wait!
Also, if you're having understeer issues on apex's with the FoST, remember that FWD cars like the FoST have great lift-off-oversteer characteristics. You can plow these things into corners, lift, apex, and gas out pretty well.
just got the focus 2013 st3 absolutely fantastic car ive had two impreza one was the p1 and im enjoying this car just as much
'15 Focus ST owner here. Loving these videos!
This was your most amazing video hands down! Nothing but fun, gotta love the ST!
I love my Focus ST !!!!
Me personally, I rather a Fiesta ST just bc the fun/cost factor is a bit higher imo
True, it really just depends what you want
The fiesta is about 20 and focus about 25 I believe , so yea if you go camping and biking and want fun, then Id totally go with the focus ST
***** Oh dang thats a lot
Well thats rough, but its sort of a trade... we have to wait 25 years to import lolol.... smh..
I wish they were were the same price. Where I live the Focus is $15k more
I was trying to decide between the two a couple of years ago, but I was able to get my Focus ST for about the same price/cheaper as a loaded Fiesta ST. Haven't regretted it since.
SavagePavich i paid just under 20k for a focus se hatch not as awesome as the ST or RS but still got it for 5k less then advertised. They ask more for the hatch version i had to have the hatch cause i love the focus in hatch
The bread and butter of this channel has always been reviews, car lifestyle, parts installs, vlogs and recently the 240 build. While I'm sure many of the trips and things you participate in are really fun in person they make for incredibly boring videos. No hate at all, just something to consider when weighing how to use the limited time you have and for the overall growth of the channel.
7:10 "I cant event talk, i am too focused." That PUN right there.
views on these videos are a lot less then reviews. Still glad i am not the only one that enjoys him doing something different.
8:33 Oh, noes, David! You cursed and now every 12 year old will get angry at you for cussing! Oh my lawd!
Great video as usual, keep up the great work!
I would like to say a few words about David's camera mount now... It was a simple mount, didn't care much for the fancier things in life, more than anything it was reliable, the kinda hardware you want when it's your camera on the line. Now as we lay this beautiful piece of equipment to rest, I would like us all to ctrl+alt+del so we can be with it always...
"I can't even talk, I'm too focused."
What you did there... I see it. (Focus joke)
lol right when i heard that i was gonna comment if no one did yet
The Focus ST has more room for both cargo and people, the same or better skidpad numbers (handling), better rear suspension, more power, is faster on the track and the street, and is the better car. I test drove both cars and there was no comparison, the Focus wins hands down. FiST's are nice cars and lots of fun, but the Focus is better.
FullTimePRO your so full of shit. the fist is lighter and corners better. More corners on a track and the fiesta will out perform the focus.
These are facts, the FoST has a better power to weight ratio as well, it's the better car though the FiST "feels more fun" it's slower period.
FullTimePRO it wont corner better than the fiesta st period. Its 200kg heavier. Theres a reason the fiesta is used for autocross and not the porky focus...
Focus will out track a fiesta. For second gear slow stuff like autocross, possibly the fiesta. Not for 2-3 mile real road courses...
Man, I would LOVE to do this.
That "oversteer, understeer, oversteer" moment is the car rotating with the back end. It's a little scary at first, but you get used to it after a bit and come to expect it. It sucks when you don't understand it though, because you start correcting in the middle of a rotation on track or AutoX course because you feel like you're about to slide.
Having done Octane Academy and owned a FIST which I've driven hard on some canyon roads, I personally thought the Focus handled better on track. It's a much faster car and it felt much more stable. I found it easier to push hard in, it just felt more confidence inspiring to me.
The Fiesta constantly wants to dance and slide around, which makes it a much more fun car to drive on the street IMO. That and the fact you can use almost 100% the power all the time.
I was amazed the Focus handled as well as it did though. It's about 500 pounds heavier, but it does have independent rear suspension.
IMO the Fiesta ST is sharper, the driving position is a bit better, everything just feels a bit more dialed in. So for canyons, street use, and probably auto X, it's the better/more fun car.
On the track, however, I'd rather have the FOST.
Agreed I still think its the better car
Thanks for that tou confirmed that for what I want I wanna buy the fiesta
Good to see you getting some actual track time.
I really want a Focus St. A guy comes into my work all the time, it's white, slammed on te37's (may be reps) and water/meth injection and bigger turbo, it's a beast.
Less bitching, more driving David! You will know when the car isnt happy -- have faith! Throw it into a corner and just feel it out, no sense in being worried the whole time! :)
Agreed, the "problem" with the focus to me seems lack of driver confidence due to all the power to front wheels, but she turns in baby. Just push her she can take it.
jmsena You are 100% correct. Car needs an adjustment in the driver's seat -- which is nothing to be ashamed of when you're learning! Not too many people even have the balls to strap into a racecar!
Keep it up David, love the videos man!
7:09
I can't even talk... I'm too "FOCUS'ED"...
Lol. Nice video. Looks like a blast!
I'd love to do something like this one day! looks like a lot of fun
I have and love my 13 Focus ST but that sound is why i will never do exhaust
sounds like a beast of a thing!
we love you David
you are my favourite channel cause you race and do stuff for your veaiwers but my buddies vehicle just got stolen tonight (2014 chev 1500) and it hurst us both because hes taking my 078 mustang to work tomorrow
hurts*
07 mustang v8
the focus is faster on that course. I did it a while back there.
love all your videos David
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Hey David, I was wondering if you are planning on going to Hot August nights here in Reno NV a big classic car show with multiple locations around the city. I think you would be able to get lots of different footage of classic muscle cars, and classic cars in general, which is something you don't have much of on your channel.
You're turning into the corner is way too early.
the best thing for you would be to have a competent driver in the passenger seat telling you what to do.
So what do you like better the focus or the fiesta I bought a fiesta because I find it much more exciting to drive it handles like a go kart, and also because it was only $18,900 with 580 miles on it with a $26,500 MSRP. Smoken deal.
Dude are you following me? I see vids of you all over the east coast and Virginia, and now you're out at Miller/UMC?? haha awesome, fun track
Drive that rs david!!! I can't wait for that vid!!!
Uncle Rico be like: ''I can throw a football over them mountains'''( Napoleon Dynamite)
7:11 "i can't even talk i'm too focus" litteraly.
#adderall lol
Looks like a good time to say Nooooo Monica!!
When are you going to do some more car reviews?
What is that thing at the bottom of the center stack? You can see it when the camera dips down. It looks like a hook or something.
so much power it breaks the mount hahaha. lol I jk good videos man I like this new stuff.
I want to do this!!
dude the video isn't uploaded correctly. check for your self. it keeps saying error
Haha this is my local track. Wasn't expecting that
is that growl the symphoniser or whatever it's called?
Ford never invited me to the octane academy.
A Fiesta isn't always a party
Very clever lol
will you the video back up about boost in oil
The ST dilemma: You have the money for a Focus ST but you could also get a Fiesta ST and chuck in the rest of the change to make it faster...which do you get?
Put power on that little chassis with better tires and stiffer springs!
fiesta but i like the looks of the focus more
or you go second hand and buy the focus because its cheaper than the fiesta
Joe C When you start going 2nd hand just buy a E46 M3 though
+Joe C False the focus aint cheaper than the fiesta
Sounds like they had Borla exhausts on them
I can't tell if that noise is the focus or mustang, but what exhaust is on the car David? I'm an owner of a Focus ST and am trying to find an exhaust which doesn't sound too bad
Mbrp is what I run deep/throaty the best imo, roush is decent,
Borla is ricey, Cobb/frpp is kind of ricey when you get on it, milltek is really good, the others are ok. Honestly if you got a good exhaust shop and $400 custom exhaust is another option
Amatowarrior I just got the mbrp catback. and I have the Cobb catted downpipe. that thing sounds amazing. I don't regret getting the mbrp
500lbs heavier, 2.0L 50HP+ more HP stock, 70 QT+ more stock, ofcourse its faster, but the Fiesta is alot more fun.
Bunch of my friends have the Focus ST, I have the Fiesta ST. Anyways, I prefer out driving them with the lesser car.
I thought the ST's didn't understeer?
This is UMC! Are you based in Utah?
didn't the focus RS out already if so why people insist on the ST?
It is $15,000 cheaper and a blast to drive.
i would still get the RS kinda sounds like the V6 mustang vs the GT yea the V6 is more economical but the V8 is actual power instead of all show no go
David I need your help, or anyone really! Recently someone decided to hit my Jeep Wrangler and it has been totaled. Now I'm looking into a mazdaspeed 3 or focus st. If anyone could give some opinions towards both that would be great! Thanks
Based on your picture, it looks like you got it! How do you like it? Got myself a '16 FiST recently and am loving it.
Focus my family just got on
Like always...... Good :D
Watch your hands... When you shift, you tend to place your left hand on top of the wheel. Not a good habit.
surprised the school cars had the base seats for the track.
hey was your video for 6/29/16 deleted?
I'm only here to help give him a thumbs up to help him get money for the 240 build
Track is addicting isn't it :)
8:32 that may be the first time ive heard u curse lmao
"i cant even talk, im too focus st"
i beat the notification
Stock seats with harnesses 😨
All over the place
David I love u!
Is it worth the extra money for the focus st or should I go fiesta st?
if u need a little more space and power then yes it is. Mods and aftermarket parts are plenty for both so honestly, u cant go wrong either way
Focus is definitely worth it man.... I love mine... interior is much better. It has more space and its alot faster with boltons.
U want Horsepower? Go with the Focus ST.....
You should have pushed him more!!!
DAVID SAID SHIT, IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD XD
"I'm too focused!"...in a Focus
Roughly how hard are you driving?
It seems as if the farther you got the harder you were driving but I can't totally tell
Man you're not even getting close to the car's full potential
Sorry that these videos didn't do that well hopefully it was just because of tilting and thumb nail and the content wasn't frowned apome because it wasn't a review video Adam lz track day videos do well try his way of filming and stuff so we can see your progress.
focus st still gets smoked by my 21 yr old stock car on the street lol. nice looking and sounding machine though
Seen eg hatches run 9 sec 1/4, seen trucks run 8sec, gtr does 0-60 in 2.9 what's you're point? Or you just trying to make your self fell better about your 21
Year old stock car?
You're not suppose to be driving Stock Cars on the street
+Tom B lol not like a nascar kind of "stock car" XD though that would be pretty sweet lmao and nah the guy who owns the ST is a cool guy just thought it was funny someone with a car so new it still had the dealer tag was tryna show off and race and couldn't hang
Why no key? Because racecar.
what happen to the 240sx
nice vid
This focus ST was not stock...
+Kyle Howe it was way to loud to be stock, I daily one and could tell that this was modified.
Its lit
Only Matt Farah knows the answer.
Farah is a Fiesta ST diehard but even I would be curious to know his opinion.
Wait until the RS (:
Has anyone realized that David isn't doing to well when it comes to views or is it just me?
Reviews do the best, or mustang / 240 related content. If you look back when he does series like this its happened before.
+dylan chaffee yeah I realized that
The last 3 videos have all been a lot of similar content. I honestly stopped watching the last one part way through which is totally unlike me on this channel. I really miss the reviews.
+James Golen but it's not just the past three I talking about the past month
+i am juicebox It takes awhile for his videos, or any video for that matter, to get up to high numbers of views unless you have 1 million plus subs
You looked happier in the fiesta st
Review an e30!
Love your driving experience. It want to to my foot on you gas petal and go. ..FAST ----------🏁🏁🚙
same same ... but different... but still same!
no mustang good
No blowoff Intro!?!?! How could you!
hello, chums
wow, I am speechless, HPDE0 session, so many views, so many likes. Is this a comedy?
You're too Focus ST ? :)
Focus :)
Why does the focus here in America look so fucking ugly compared to the European focus? Why dont we have the Focus RS either? The RS is badass
"cant even talk, in to focused" lol focus