@@paleemperor5379No. They used Sunn amps because that’s what the band Earth used on their early albums, specifically Earth 2, which is the basis for the band’s existence.
It’s like a cooked meal from mama. You can take the exact recipe but it will never tastes as good. I‘m not surprised by the result, you did a great job again Zach 🔥
Yeah man. I find the fetishisation of the Model T to be completely baffling. There are a billion ways to get absolutely crushing doom tones that don't cost 500 bucks, nevermind 5000. It's insane. Save your money, buy gear that works for sensible sums and have funds left over to do cool shit. You could record an album with Sanford Parker, then take your band to tour Europe for the cost of a Sunn Model T FFS... And BTW, Sunn 0))) used them for the same reason everyone else did in the 90s/early 2000s: because they were a cheap as fuck alternative to a vintage Bassman. They paid POD Go money for theirs...
Give away or not (thank you for that!), at 1:19 you really spoke from my heart. I think the same goes with the Boss HM-2 'Made in Japan' or the RAT with the lm308 chip. It's utterly f'in ridiculous. There is almost zero difference in an A/B comparison (which often just comes down to small differences in the production on the same parts) and it's indestinguishable in the mix... Just my 2cents. As for the comparison: they are so close, it proved that the amp isn't worth it, sorry. I would have liked to hear it in the mix, at least with some drums. Then the difference would probably have vanished.
Yeah it’s just getting out of control with T’s nowadays . I think it did a good job but it never had that full bite the T had . We were thinking about a in the mix section . But like you said it would have been kind of useless to do it . Because you wouldn’t really hear any changes .
another thing a lot of people don't realize is that not only would you most likely not notice really any difference in a BLIND test, but every individual sunn model t will have very slight differences because that's the nature of manufacturing and tolerances. I think this video proves the point very well
Now push the Model T master volume over 3, then you can reach the equivalent volume on Pod and I think you will see the difference. My model Ts are all giving their real voicing over 3 on master volume. 5 to 10 is gold.
I've been waiting on this video for so long. The moo)))n jump has been a favorite of mine. Love it with my Quilter problock 200 into a 412! So much powa! Using its emulation I finally understand why model-T's great and want one (or specifically a JPTR Titan). I'm surprised how close it is on just the amp. Especially on the jump setting which adds more complexity turn the amp and the amp simulation. That's remarkable. Also interesting how they responded differently to a pedal with the line6 having less Bass , brighter and having a bit more clarity. Could that have been addressed with the bias, biasx and sag to tweak how it responds higher input volumes? How did the settings on the amp and line6 model compare when you got them sounding close? Were they similar? Great video. Much appreciated 🤟
I took a close-up picture of Greg Anderson and Stephen O'Malley's amp settings, and tried setting the Moo)))n Amp on my POD Go to match, with a "RAT" pedal in front of the "amp". Their amp settings are very different from each others, so I tried them both. Didn't even come close to a Sunn O))) type sound. I have a NAM profile of the Sunn Model T that is much closer, and with a RAT-clone plugin, it gets me there. My EQD Acapulco Gold also gets the sound on it's own. But the POD Go just couldn't "find" the sound. I'd love to see your POD Go settings. Or maybe post the preset somewhere?
I played with a Pod Go! for about 30 minutes and dialed in a bass tone that made me second guess carrying around my SVT and 810. Both the Sunn and the Pod sound killer - just two ways to get the same job done.
That was really good. The Black Ash pedal was my favorite with both. I wish I could get a great Model T capture for my Quad Cortex. I love Model T’s, but I prefer my Matamp over them.
I had a POD Go when it first came out. I loved it and stupidly sold it due to temporary financial problems. I should’ve kept it. The POD Go and Amp head sounded too similar through my iPhone speaker to tell. I wonder how a good ToneX capture would sound by comparison. The ToneX One pedals are even cheaper than a Go, granted they’re not multi-FX units and only hold 20 spots for captures.
imho there is a difference between the two, if you are paying attention but if there was just background music you could get away with switching back and forth as the differences are not huge. with boost, ie distorted the differences seemed minimal to me. but with fuzz, there’s something a bit “wrong” with the pod tone, like the fuzz is a detached treble static thing that’s not part of the core tone. and low gain/clean, i think agree with the viewer who said there’s a blanket over the pod tone. it’s all usable of course but it reminds me of a mix before you put gullfoss on it. conclusion: have no idea if it’s worth it but i’m pretty sure there are tonal differences that you can hear except with a boost taking it to distortion. that being said, 378 amps making the best model t amps in europe, for less than model Ts on reverb so i’d recommend people think about that option also. great vid dude
The Line 6 just sounded slightly more treble-ly... not a bad thing at all. I'm probably going to go with a class D power amp soon. Don't want to deal with tube amp issues any more.
Awesome comparison! Although I preferred the sound of the genuine Model T, it’s really impressive how close the POD Go got particularly as the price a Model T goes for nowadays puts them well out of reach of the majority of players. In isolation you can hear a difference for sure but you put them in the context of a band mix, I’m not sure it would be quite so clear cut.
Youll always have people who buy on brand and reputation, they are the loudest voices in any discussion as that's where they have the most investment. Ive used line 6 sounds for years now and surprised a heap of people with some of the tones. I just keep quiet now if anyone asks what gear I used...
I think there are enough reputable clones of the Model-T now that you're likely better off, being that all the components are new and the QA is good. They're loud so you're either a collector or you legit have a use for it live. The real thing is awesome though. I would get a clone in a heartbeat if I didn't already have 2 150watt vintage beasts from 1970s. And while both fairly clean compared to the T, any dirty pedal in front works fine
I'd definitely say that the Actual Model T and the Line 6 had a different sound, but more so in the way that Digital units/modellers recreate the sound of a tube amp. It's not a worse sound by any means, and I would also say that in a mix I would not be able to tell the difference, and if all I saw was cabs on stage and it could have been either, I'd have no idea. The thing for me with modellers though is always get something to push it through a cab - the difference is monumental. That's coming from a guy that spent 2 years with a Kemper going direct to FOH and using in ear monitors and I've just moved back to using amps and cabs again with a Torpedo Captor for my monitoring system. Difference there is night and day in how it naturally feels in the room with an audience and your band!
Pahahaha! Let one rip! 😂😂😂 That was a decent comparison. Really enjoyed that …. Not over the top. Must say the pod did really well. And if you can get the same tone / sound with a not cheaper but less expensive options … why the hell not! And you made a great point that for the massive expense of a model T it’s only a one trick pony. Painting yourself into a black corner doesn’t do you any favours and certainly leads to a boring and predictable style of playing. It’s like being a visual artist … got to flex with processes and styles and hone in on your own vibe and feel. Allow yourself to learn and be adaptable … excellent to know the Burps haven’t subsided!! 😂😂😂 🙌🏻🖤🤘🏻
This is kind of why for my bass rig, I do all my actual tone by playing style and pedal board and am very flexible on what I use to power big volume. I just feel it's not worth it anymore to get a big, heavy, expensive tube head when I can get great sound with a lot lighter equipment. Even lighter actually than my 2 guitarists who both use Kemper heads.
I’m really curious how it would sound with the quad cortex. I’ve heard that’s one of the best modelers on the market right now . So many people are using them nowadays.
That was REALLY close! I can hear some differences, but nothing that anyone would be able to tell unless they were literally just A/Bing the real deal with the pedal!
I don’t think it did a terrible job . But like you said doing a A/B test you can hear the differences . I feel the Pod Go just never got that bite that the T had . But if you throw this in a live setting or in a mix . I think it would sound fine IMO.
Just listening and not watching i liked both until the very end chugging with the fuzz, the pod finally fell on it's face. I do feel like the real amp still has more clarity/detail, but i honestly really like the distortion the pod has.
I have gone down the Model T emulation path via the Model FeT and some Cab IR's. I have always wanted to play around with running the FeT into a power amp and through a cabinet because I feel like that's where the real magic is. As you mentioned at the beginning of the video getting some air to move imo gives you the "realist" experience, take that for what it's worth :)
I use a clone of a Coda Black Hole (also a model T preamp with both channels at once) into an old traynor PM300 power amp and, honestly, it kills. Boost it with a musket V2 and run in stereo with a sf300 and a peavey standard. Mixed 412 and 215 cabs.
For sound in a room, invest in speakers. They are by far the most important thing IMO. Power amp can be anything with headroom, preamp you already have down, throw a few hundred at a good cab and you're laughing
I run the Model FET into the power section of a Hiwatt sometimes... it's not going to be the "same", but no one is going to care because it sounds completely nuts and rings out loud a bell from a mile away haha
Other than the annoying high end fuzz thing that Line 6 always has no matter what, they are fairly close. The Pod is definitely boxier especially in the cleaner sections, but it’s honestly a much better alternative than being 4k in the hole.
The model t has an organic crisp to it but I hate crispy amps so I choose the pod but then again you can boost a bag of turds with the black ash and it will sound amazing
Agreed . Let’s face it most of the people going into this video . Knew it was going to sound spot on . But I feel it gets close enough to that T tone . I couldn’t see myself putting up big money on a T when this or the modelFET are available.
Trust me there wasn’t much tweaking left . We legit sat for a hour or two trying to get them as close as possible . Now maybe if you tweaked in post then absolutely. But that’s as close as your going to get imo
@@FuzzedDrones I noticed it looked like the treble was cranked on the distortion section on the POD GO, did you have to crank it like that not to sound muddy?
It’s a solid alternative for sure . I think it did a solid job and it’s just going to be hard for any modeler or pedal to get that exact tone . I can tell you this . I’d rather spend the $400 on the pod go . Then spending a fortune on a real model t .
There is not 4000 dollars difference in tone between those two. This is the real bitch of guitar gear. You can get 95% of the way to exactly what you want, but that last 5% is going to cost you 10,000 dollars. For example my Gibson sg is not 1500 dollars better than my Epiphone SG. Fucked. I’d say be satisfied with 95% and console yourself with the full liquor cabinet/stash box you could afford with all the left over cash. In the end the audience can’t tell the difference. Also that Model T is practically useless if you don’t have a place to crank it.
If this was a blind test you 100% wouldn't have been able to say which was which so to say it's not even close is just ridiculous. The difference between the two is minor, and certainly not worth the $4000 price difference lol
Actually I didn’t actually watch I just listened. I don’t have a horse in this race just telling you what my ears heard. You need to relax, triggered a little too easy there.
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Remember when no one cared about Sunn amps at all and Model T's couldn't be sold for even $500?
This 🙌🏻
That's why Sunn O))) (the band) got them in the first place, they couldn't afford more expensive amps.
@@paleemperor5379No. They used Sunn amps because that’s what the band Earth used on their early albums, specifically Earth 2, which is the basis for the band’s existence.
Yeah, I ‘member
sounds like an american problem.Never even seen one where I live in 35 years of playing
It’s like a cooked meal from mama. You can take the exact recipe but it will never tastes as good.
I‘m not surprised by the result, you did a great job again Zach 🔥
My mom can’t cook, that’s why I have a pod go 😂
Good on you for taking this on my man
Yeah man. I find the fetishisation of the Model T to be completely baffling. There are a billion ways to get absolutely crushing doom tones that don't cost 500 bucks, nevermind 5000. It's insane. Save your money, buy gear that works for sensible sums and have funds left over to do cool shit. You could record an album with Sanford Parker, then take your band to tour Europe for the cost of a Sunn Model T FFS...
And BTW, Sunn 0))) used them for the same reason everyone else did in the 90s/early 2000s: because they were a cheap as fuck alternative to a vintage Bassman. They paid POD Go money for theirs...
Awesome AB test man, really appreciated🤘
Glad you liked it !
Well, that was unexpected. Less talk more rock my man and keep em coming!
Give away or not (thank you for that!), at 1:19 you really spoke from my heart. I think the same goes with the Boss HM-2 'Made in Japan' or the RAT with the lm308 chip. It's utterly f'in ridiculous. There is almost zero difference in an A/B comparison (which often just comes down to small differences in the production on the same parts) and it's indestinguishable in the mix... Just my 2cents.
As for the comparison: they are so close, it proved that the amp isn't worth it, sorry. I would have liked to hear it in the mix, at least with some drums. Then the difference would probably have vanished.
Yeah it’s just getting out of control with T’s nowadays . I think it did a good job but it never had that full bite the T had .
We were thinking about a in the mix section . But like you said it would have been kind of useless to do it . Because you wouldn’t really hear any changes .
another thing a lot of people don't realize is that not only would you most likely not notice really any difference in a BLIND test, but every individual sunn model t will have very slight differences because that's the nature of manufacturing and tolerances.
I think this video proves the point very well
Now push the Model T master volume over 3, then you can reach the equivalent volume on Pod and I think you will see the difference. My model Ts are all giving their real voicing over 3 on master volume. 5 to 10 is gold.
Great video. Excellent points.
Glad you liked it man . As always thanks for checking this one out .
I've been waiting on this video for so long. The moo)))n jump has been a favorite of mine. Love it with my Quilter problock 200 into a 412! So much powa! Using its emulation I finally understand why model-T's great and want one (or specifically a JPTR Titan).
I'm surprised how close it is on just the amp. Especially on the jump setting which adds more complexity turn the amp and the amp simulation. That's remarkable.
Also interesting how they responded differently to a pedal with the line6 having less Bass , brighter and having a bit more clarity. Could that have been addressed with the bias, biasx and sag to tweak how it responds higher input volumes?
How did the settings on the amp and line6 model compare when you got them sounding close? Were they similar?
Great video. Much appreciated 🤟
The difference was negligible. It'd be even less so in a full mix. How did it sound in the room though and was the feel different playing it?
HOLY COW!!!! That was way closer that i thought it'd be! Love the way digital is goin.
I took a close-up picture of Greg Anderson and Stephen O'Malley's amp settings, and tried setting the Moo)))n Amp on my POD Go to match, with a "RAT" pedal in front of the "amp". Their amp settings are very different from each others, so I tried them both. Didn't even come close to a Sunn O))) type sound. I have a NAM profile of the Sunn Model T that is much closer, and with a RAT-clone plugin, it gets me there. My EQD Acapulco Gold also gets the sound on it's own. But the POD Go just couldn't "find" the sound. I'd love to see your POD Go settings. Or maybe post the preset somewhere?
I played with a Pod Go! for about 30 minutes and dialed in a bass tone that made me second guess carrying around my SVT and 810. Both the Sunn and the Pod sound killer - just two ways to get the same job done.
Love the model feT
( Pretty impressed with the SD powerstage amps also)
🤘🎸💥
For the money the pod go is a no brainer, you really made it sound good. Of course a lot has to do with the cab, but overall both sound awesome
That was really good. The Black Ash pedal was my favorite with both. I wish I could get a great Model T capture for my Quad Cortex. I love Model T’s, but I prefer my Matamp over them.
cool vid man! there were many instances where I liked the podgo better!
Nice vid. Both sounded great.
The Pod Go had some fizzy harshness in the top end but in a mix with a little eq I doubt I could tell a difference.
I had a POD Go when it first came out. I loved it and stupidly sold it due to temporary financial problems. I should’ve kept it. The POD Go and Amp head sounded too similar through my iPhone speaker to tell. I wonder how a good ToneX capture would sound by comparison. The ToneX One pedals are even cheaper than a Go, granted they’re not multi-FX units and only hold 20 spots for captures.
imho there is a difference between the two, if you are paying attention but if there was just background music you could get away with switching back and forth as the differences are not huge.
with boost, ie distorted the differences seemed minimal to me. but with fuzz, there’s something a bit “wrong” with the pod tone, like the fuzz is a detached treble static thing that’s not part of the core tone.
and low gain/clean, i think agree with the viewer who said there’s a blanket over the pod tone. it’s all usable of course but it reminds me of a mix before you put gullfoss on it.
conclusion: have no idea if it’s worth it but i’m pretty sure there are tonal differences that you can hear except with a boost taking it to distortion.
that being said, 378 amps making the best model t amps in europe, for less than model Ts on reverb so i’d recommend people think about that option also.
great vid dude
The Line 6 just sounded slightly more treble-ly... not a bad thing at all. I'm probably going to go with a class D power amp soon. Don't want to deal with tube amp issues any more.
Awesome comparison! Although I preferred the sound of the genuine Model T, it’s really impressive how close the POD Go got particularly as the price a Model T goes for nowadays puts them well out of reach of the majority of players.
In isolation you can hear a difference for sure but you put them in the context of a band mix, I’m not sure it would be quite so clear cut.
It sounds so close you can't tell the difference. I'd go for the Line6, just to piss off all the gear snobs.
Sounded differently when AB'd, but not in a bad way.
It held its own as much as it could . But was it that big enough difference to spend another $3600 bucks on a real T ….. No lol .
Lol no, not at all 😂
Youll always have people who buy on brand and reputation, they are the loudest voices in any discussion as that's where they have the most investment. Ive used line 6 sounds for years now and surprised a heap of people with some of the tones. I just keep quiet now if anyone asks what gear I used...
Both sound really good, in a mix probably could tell the difference
I think there are enough reputable clones of the Model-T now that you're likely better off, being that all the components are new and the QA is good. They're loud so you're either a collector or you legit have a use for it live. The real thing is awesome though. I would get a clone in a heartbeat if I didn't already have 2 150watt vintage beasts from 1970s. And while both fairly clean compared to the T, any dirty pedal in front works fine
Great job!
I'd definitely say that the Actual Model T and the Line 6 had a different sound, but more so in the way that Digital units/modellers recreate the sound of a tube amp. It's not a worse sound by any means, and I would also say that in a mix I would not be able to tell the difference, and if all I saw was cabs on stage and it could have been either, I'd have no idea.
The thing for me with modellers though is always get something to push it through a cab - the difference is monumental. That's coming from a guy that spent 2 years with a Kemper going direct to FOH and using in ear monitors and I've just moved back to using amps and cabs again with a Torpedo Captor for my monitoring system. Difference there is night and day in how it naturally feels in the room with an audience and your band!
Pahahaha! Let one rip! 😂😂😂
That was a decent comparison. Really enjoyed that …. Not over the top. Must say the pod did really well. And if you can get the same tone / sound with a not cheaper but less expensive options … why the hell not! And you made a great point that for the massive expense of a model T it’s only a one trick pony. Painting yourself into a black corner doesn’t do you any favours and certainly leads to a boring and predictable style of playing. It’s like being a visual artist … got to flex with processes and styles and hone in on your own vibe and feel. Allow yourself to learn and be adaptable … excellent to know the Burps haven’t subsided!! 😂😂😂 🙌🏻🖤🤘🏻
This is kind of why for my bass rig, I do all my actual tone by playing style and pedal board and am very flexible on what I use to power big volume. I just feel it's not worth it anymore to get a big, heavy, expensive tube head when I can get great sound with a lot lighter equipment. Even lighter actually than my 2 guitarists who both use Kemper heads.
It's not bad, but it's not quite the same. I think a quad cortex or a tonex might do a better job, but really with a little eq it's close.
I’m really curious how it would sound with the quad cortex. I’ve heard that’s one of the best modelers on the market right now . So many people are using them nowadays.
That was REALLY close! I can hear some differences, but nothing that anyone would be able to tell unless they were literally just A/Bing the real deal with the pedal!
I don’t think it did a terrible job . But like you said doing a A/B test you can hear the differences . I feel the Pod Go just never got that bite that the T had .
But if you throw this in a live setting or in a mix . I think it would sound fine IMO.
Nice, man!
i think each has it place but i prefer the toooobes tho :)
Like your content! more dooom!
I actually thought about getting a POD Go, so this video is helping me a lot with my decision!
You've awaken the tube snobs.😂
Both sound amazing
I know lol glad you liked the video . Hopefully others like it as well !
Funnily, in the overdrive part, the pod seemed to have more highs but in the fuzz part, the Sunn seemed to have more highs...
Zake i love your job
Just listening and not watching i liked both until the very end chugging with the fuzz, the pod finally fell on it's face. I do feel like the real amp still has more clarity/detail, but i honestly really like the distortion the pod has.
I have gone down the Model T emulation path via the Model FeT and some Cab IR's. I have always wanted to play around with running the FeT into a power amp and through a cabinet because I feel like that's where the real magic is. As you mentioned at the beginning of the video getting some air to move imo gives you the "realist" experience, take that for what it's worth :)
I use a clone of a Coda Black Hole (also a model T preamp with both channels at once) into an old traynor PM300 power amp and, honestly, it kills. Boost it with a musket V2 and run in stereo with a sf300 and a peavey standard. Mixed 412 and 215 cabs.
@@chriswakfer4473 Awesome setup. That's about where I want to end up someday.
For sound in a room, invest in speakers. They are by far the most important thing IMO. Power amp can be anything with headroom, preamp you already have down, throw a few hundred at a good cab and you're laughing
I run the Model FET into the power section of a Hiwatt sometimes... it's not going to be the "same", but no one is going to care because it sounds completely nuts and rings out loud a bell from a mile away haha
Other than the annoying high end fuzz thing that Line 6 always has no matter what, they are fairly close. The Pod is definitely boxier especially in the cleaner sections, but it’s honestly a much better alternative than being 4k in the hole.
Pod Go all the way. Form factor, saved presets, lightweight, and much more affordable. Come on, it's a no brainer. 😉
They do sound different, but I think some eq would make them almost identical. Do these differences justify model T's prices? Hell no
Run a Fender Bass breaker and the POD go. 1 live amp and then modeling through the out on the Go with the rest in the loop. Talk about a doom sound.
The model t has an organic crisp to it but I hate crispy amps so I choose the pod but then again you can boost a bag of turds with the black ash and it will sound amazing
I want that Black Ash so bad lol but John won’t sell it to me hahaha
@@FuzzedDrones imo not so humble opinion it’s the only fuzz that matters
The Line 6 was sounding pretty good, gotta admit.
Right for the price point of this unit . I really can’t complain at all .
@@FuzzedDrones I'm thinking about getting a Line 6 unit. I need a solid state power amp that works well with 16 ohm, possibly the Pedal Baby.
The amp sounded better to my ears. Not 10 times the price better, though
Agreed . Let’s face it most of the people going into this video . Knew it was going to sound spot on . But I feel it gets close enough to that T tone . I couldn’t see myself putting up big money on a T when this or the modelFET are available.
Very nice. So close...
A few EQ tweaks could make the pod work. Love model T tones, but i agree the price is nuts.
Trust me there wasn’t much tweaking left . We legit sat for a hour or two trying to get them as close as possible . Now maybe if you tweaked in post then absolutely. But that’s as close as your going to get imo
@@FuzzedDrones either way, it still sounded sick
@@FuzzedDrones I noticed it looked like the treble was cranked on the distortion section on the POD GO, did you have to crank it like that not to sound muddy?
What’s the Sunn Model T?
Sick
I really love the MOO)))N in my HX Stomp. I just got some Emperor IRs and it sounds massive. Thanks for the comparison!
It’s a solid alternative for sure . I think it did a solid job and it’s just going to be hard for any modeler or pedal to get that exact tone .
I can tell you this . I’d rather spend the $400 on the pod go . Then spending a fortune on a real model t .
Is the model from the Metallurgy series? If so, do they have the other amp models from the Doom suite?
@@clugokillscluco yep! All the amps from the plugins were added to Helix and Pod products a couple updates ago.
I actually prefer the lower/darker tone of the Pod. 🙈
Nothing wrong with that 🤘🏻
I got into the Sunn tone way too late in life.
the go sounds muddier to me...doesn't have that air of openness the amp has.
On the high gain, I think they switched with the amp being muddier and less bright.
There is not 4000 dollars difference in tone between those two. This is the real bitch of guitar gear. You can get 95% of the way to exactly what you want, but that last 5% is going to cost you 10,000 dollars. For example my Gibson sg is not 1500 dollars better than my Epiphone SG. Fucked. I’d say be satisfied with 95% and console yourself with the full liquor cabinet/stash box you could afford with all the left over cash. In the end the audience can’t tell the difference. Also that Model T is practically useless if you don’t have a place to crank it.
I may be in the minority; but I’m looking forward to the possibility the new Sunn may design and offer a low wattage version of the Model T circuit.
@plantesounds8836 forget then new Sunn lol . But I do know something might be coming out in the near future from someone that will cover that .
Would never hear tge difference in a mix. Not worth the cost
Sounds like the Pod has a wet blanket over it. I don’t think it’s even close.
If this was a blind test you 100% wouldn't have been able to say which was which so to say it's not even close is just ridiculous. The difference between the two is minor, and certainly not worth the $4000 price difference lol
Actually I didn’t actually watch I just listened. I don’t have a horse in this race just telling you what my ears heard. You need to relax, triggered a little too easy there.
you can hear that pod go is on clean channel very digital sounding which is no for me
Clean channel ?
@@FuzzedDrones my bad I mean sound :D